r/WallStreetbetsELITE • u/Tripleawge • 20d ago
Discussion Macron is now influencing The EU to Stop buying American
https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-to-eu-colleagues-stop-buying-american-buy-european/To everyone asking what is the single greatest reason against Dollar Cost Averaging and AWAYS buying the dip it’s this; Trump has convinced the world both allies and enemies alike to move on from The US.
From the remote shutdown of US state of the art military equipment, system and software in Ukraine a week ago to the entire fiasco of Trump completely invalidating the prior Trade agreement with Canada and Mexico HE NEGOTIATED AND SIGNED INTO LAW IN HIS FORST TERM, there is simply no rationally thinking nation state that will ever trust the US again.
The US for all my life (the very short quarter century of it anyway) has always been pretty broadly hated in well over 2/3 of the world outside of The EU. Those nations have never posed a real threat to the US in the modern era, however those nations have also never ALL aligned together to try to take on the US either. I predict that is about to change… MMW before the end of Trump’s 2nd term there will be a new set of trade alliances formed all over the world with the express intent of shutting down the US economically and with the likely coming wars Trump intends on fighting for land grabs the mixture of US economic isolation and international pressure will cost the US stock market the kind of performance people have gotten accustomed to post 08.
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u/Disastrous-One3011 20d ago
Let’s be clear, the biggest influencer on this matter is the orange one. The rest of the world will be buying anything but American now and for the foreseeable future.
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u/lochmoigh1 20d ago
And pretty much every republican politician is a coward and going along with everything trump does. Americans won't be trustworthy for a decade + because countries will be worried about another trump figure being elected
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u/BillyBeeGone 20d ago
But once Democrats get in the world will probably soften its stance against USA. That being said the damage is done. Countries like Canada will never be reliant on the USA again. They will diversify their military equipment, microchips, trade etc even if US is cheaper because they won't want to ever get burnt again
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u/SnooSeagulls1847 20d ago
Pffft, democrats? The ones who literally stood by and did nothing while all this happened? Nah, shouldn’t trust this country for shit
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u/Explosiveabyss 20d ago
I think Dems are spineless AF as well, but to play devils advocate, what are they supposed to do?
They control absolutely nothing in our government rn.
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u/Worth_Inflation_2104 20d ago
Because this ordeal started way before Trump even had his first term. Nixon being pardoned was what tipped everything. It set a fucked precedent
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u/Electronic-Raise-281 20d ago
Yup. Imagine having a relationship with someone who changes 180 degrees every 4 years. Not good long term
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u/SoZur 20d ago
That softening happened once already. Everybody thought the 1st Trump term was just a glitch in an otherwise stable democracy. And everybody was more than happy to go back to business as usual in 2020. But now it's clear that the glitch wasn't one. The next president (democrat) might be a mostly normal guy, but trumpism is the new standard in the GOP, and will be around long after Nero's death. There won't be a return to normal.
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u/ah_bollix 20d ago
I hope not. Trump was voted in by the people of the US, that means he represents many of them. Like it or not. To my mind we should no longer support the US in any matter. While it can't happen overnight I hope we totally remove the US, Russia and China from our economies. Giving them our money only supports their unacceptable behaviour
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u/poppin-n-sailin 20d ago
So are the democrats. They're just sitting around letting this happen. Allegedly Bernie sanders and AOC are trying to do something, but mostly all the US people are doing is dancing around tesla dealerships with memes and signs. Fucking pathetic.
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u/SPNKLR 20d ago
The United States let a con man piss away 80yrs of goodwill that saw us rise to the top of the economic food chain, all because your average American adult operates at a 6th grade level and knows nothing about world politic and economics beyond "Murica #1!"...
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u/WhiteHornedStar 20d ago
Let's not forget that this is by design though. They fund education based on how rich your neighborhood is, never mind what it's necessary to get a higher education
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u/Brokenandburnt 20d ago
I saw a question from. MAGA viewer answered on a channel earlier:
"Your video asking the rhetorical question of how we Americans would feel if Europeans forgot our contributions to WW2. We don't care, we know they needed us. But let me ask you this. As you talk up their contributions during WW2, how many British or French soldiers were storming Omaha Beach? I didn't see any..."
The chick owning the channel answered: See? I assume you weren't there, and Saving Private Ryan isn't the best source for a history lesson.
Jesus, is it this bad in the states?
Omaha, Utah, Gold, Juno, Sword
5 Landings A load of different nationalities...
To be so cocksure you know something that you fire off a "gotcha" question to a YouTube channel without factchecking it.
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u/bgenesis07 20d ago
People babbling on about WW2 from both sides miss the point entirely.
WW2 isn't a good reason to hang on for dear life to a world order, alliance structure and economic system that was built in its aftermath to set the stage for the cold war.
Equally so, WW2 isn't a good response to people saying what use are these alliances, friendships, trade deals and integrated cooperative systems.
It would be logical for America to take stock of the position it takes in the world, rigorously analyse whether it is best interests or just momentum at the heart of its significant expenditure and global presence, and potentially fall back to a position that best serves it's interests even if there was a cost to its position in the global world order.
It's just that isn't happening. America is just going apeshit with very little regard or strong discernable strategy.
Arguably an inevitable fate for any actor state or otherwise with a monopoly position and no strong incentive structure to produce competence and good leadership; nor any competition to force it to maintain its strengths or work on its weaknesses. The speed is probably the most remarkable thing here. A century of slow decline is perhaps just not American enough. Gotta bang it out in 4 years or less.
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u/Brokenandburnt 20d ago
These links provide some insight into wtf is going on, although from a real world perspective it still doesn't make much sense.
They provide a chilling insight into what they think that they are going to accomplish.
The first link is a short 40ish pages essay written by an Economist with ties to the Trump administration.
The second is Project 2025's guide to shaping the new world order.
https://static.project2025.org/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf
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u/Easy-Statistician289 20d ago
Yep. Unfortunately, most americans are intentionally kept stupid and it's led to this.
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u/Illustrious_Fan_8148 18d ago
Its been a long time in the making.
Fox news played a big role in getting us to this point
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u/Extension_Canary3717 17d ago
And fucked for any future government
"this is a good deal, but when will USA put another crazy person in power"
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u/Dontnotlook 20d ago
US defence industry will be facing cancelled orders asTrumps shit-show rolls on...
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u/TheIrishBread 20d ago
Not just cancelled orders, F-35 R&D was done jointly with the EU and iirc about a quarter of the components originate in Europe, you won't get the cooperation again and you likely won't get the components for new ones if Trump continues to fuck around.
It's likely to be a double whammy of no more export orders and because of Trump's isolationist policies I expect him to pull out of Europe and eventually NATO killing US force projection and recalling the Nuclear umbrella leading to a severe cut in military spending by the government which will lead to a collapse of the American defense industry.
Or TLDR: F-35 is a quarter European and was developed jointly by Europeans. American defense firms could end up looking like Russia's circa 91.
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u/sorean_4 20d ago
Let’s take the R&D we had in f-35 and apply to European fighter. The hybrid will be great.
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u/TheIrishBread 20d ago
Already are, FCAS's NGF (joint German France and Spain) and Tempest (UK, Italy and Japan).
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u/Guitoudou 20d ago
It's true the other way around tho. EU fighter jets and other military equipments are not 100% europeans.
EU also lack steel, coal and oil. Which are pretty handy when it comes to mass produce jets and tanks, and power them.
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u/Adamdel34 20d ago
The EU does still have plenty of those things, the EU is the second largest steel producer in the world after china. Many European countries still have massive coal reserves, but many EU countries have moved away from coal power in favour of greener alternatives. You are right on the oil front though.
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u/MrRogersAE 20d ago
Canada has oil, lots of it, and apparently America doesn’t want it anymore, you guys need oil?
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u/Oilleak26 20d ago
well it's a good thing Canada has an abundance of all those materials.
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u/SoZur 20d ago
EU fighter jets and other military equipments are not 100% europeans.
French Rafales are 100% french. The french defense industry actively advertises the fact that it sells the only western fighter jet that is 100% ITAR-free. This is why the Rafale has been so successful on the export markets in recent years.
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u/WalkAffectionate2683 20d ago
I mean trump is here to destroy the USA for putin.
Seems he is doing a tremendous job.
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u/Smile_Space 20d ago
I'm so glad I was born in 1995. Perfect timing to experience 9/11 at 6 years old, the 2008 crash at 12 and my Dad losing his income and house as a result, graduated high school in 2014, joined the USAF for 6 years to get my feet on the ground, COVID at age 24 in 2020, and now, just months before graduating college at 30 years old, total US economic collapse on the horizon right as I finish up a 10 year journey to be an Aerospace Engineer.
Fuck me and my luck. Somehow managed to just get the full force of the US's stupidity to somehow fuck me at every step of the way through my life so far.
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u/clutchkillah1337 20d ago
worst timeline ever
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u/SaltySAX 20d ago
Not as bad as if you were born in 1898. Old enough to be cannon fodder in WW1, Spanish flu killing millions straight after, Prohibition, The Great Strike, The Great Depression; rise of these Nazi fucks the first time around, then WW2!!! Oh what fun!
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u/_Darth__Maul_ 20d ago
Something tells me that there will be more job openings for aerospace engineers in Europe in the near future...
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u/Automatic-Mountain45 20d ago
that's if they let you leave the US... and if Europe still gives visas to Americans...
One move on Greenland and America becomes Iran or Russia to them basically. Travel Ban and all.
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u/tosklst 19d ago
I was born in 89, so had a few more of the 'good years' than you. But I had a high school history teacher who told us we had grown up at the peak of freedom and prosperity, and that we shouldnt expect it to continue, because it was historically unlikely to last very long. So I have never been surprised by how quickly the world declined, but I wished he was wrong.
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u/lolzilla 20d ago
damn. I'm sorry lil brother. I at least experienced peak America prior to the internet and lived the shit that happened in 80s movies. I'm having a terribly depressing week thinking about my two best friends being dead, but you nailed a very specific timeline. First and last beers are on me.
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u/NapkinsOnMyAnkle 19d ago
I'm a bit older and thought I had managed to cling ahold of the last rung just as the ladder was being pulled up. Alas... That is not the case.
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u/Helpforfriend080403 20d ago
Good on Macron.
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u/account_nr18 20d ago
Here in Europe we lost all respect for America and started respecting the French. It's all upside down.
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u/Xandara2 19d ago
If you didn't respect the french then you were propagandized. They are very heavily in tune with the basic western value America claims to uphold. Liberty, egality, fraternity is still very much alive in France it seems.
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u/Fox2_Fox2 20d ago
What the Trump administration is doing will have long term effects and consequences with the rest of the world in the future. Nobody will ever trust the U.S. again long after Trump is gone even if the future US presidents reverse everything that this administration did.
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u/blackbogwater 20d ago
It would take some extreme acts of good will.
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u/_kempert 20d ago edited 20d ago
It would take more than that, a complete overhaul of the american system, from proper education to proper election system instead of the regarded shit that is called the electoral system. All this just to prevent another idiot like Trump to have a chance of getting voted into power. Then every trump action would need to be revoked as well.
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u/Johannes_Keppler 20d ago
Yup, that's is the real point. We can't have and idiot in power for four to eight years and then a more sane president for the next four to eight after which another or the same moron gets to be president again.
The USA is just too unreliable as a partner for anything.
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u/delightedV 20d ago
it would take a decisive defeat of the MAGA as a movement and its take over of the republican party movement which will probably not happen for the next 30 years.
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u/Reginaferguson 20d ago
It’s beyond trump. The electorate choose to vote for him twice. The American electorate can’t be trusted to not vote in someone who will screw allies.
That’s fine and their prerogative, but there will be long term consequences. To be fair in the modern world I think while some people will be massively affected in general most people in first world countries EU, USA, CANZUK will just reorientate and carry on.
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u/Specialist-Picture62 20d ago
yeah guys, u fcked it up totaly by voting this shithead in office. and by the way, burn down all the teslas!!!
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u/Lebowski304 20d ago
I didn’t vote for the ass clown. I don’t like getting lumped in with the smooth brained dipshits who did. I hate the orange bastard
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u/bnetsthrowaway 20d ago
You’re basically lumped in together for the rest of the world now, you’re a minority in America
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u/---Cloudberry--- 20d ago
Yep. If it was a majority against it, wouldn’t they do something about it? Look at the protests in Europe when a majority feels something.
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u/BugAdministrative683 20d ago
Just maybe spare the Teslas that are people's private cars that they paid for (because that doesn't seem fair), but yeah fuck dealerships and the brand.
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u/BarkingBuddha 20d ago
Can confirm. Here in Europe I’ve started to see the avoidance of American products in daily life regularly.
My work is having talks about what we use that is American and actively looking for cost effective alternatives. I know in one case we have already dropped a likely $750,000 contract and are using an alternative from EU.
It’s not 100% but I’d say the average person I know has dropped their purchasing of new American products by around 50-70%.
All it takes is to ask ChatGPT ‘check if [insert product] is American made or owned, and if it is, what are some European made alternatives I could purchase instead.
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u/phi-v 20d ago
ChatGPT
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u/BarkingBuddha 20d ago
I understand the irony here 😂 like I said it’s not 100%.
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u/Jonesdeclectice 20d ago
Honestly, do the same here in Canada. Only buy non-American anymore. I’d love to find an alternative to some US services though, ideally ones that are functionally equivalent (like Gmail).
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u/null-or-undefined 19d ago
here in Australia, people are also starting to talk of not buying US goods.
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u/mondayaccguy 20d ago
The US was able to somewhat shake off Trump 1 as an aberration, a one time mistake.. But trump 2 establishes the US as an unstable unreliable partner.
Putin and Trump have managed to divide the West.
Russia working with the GOP and Trump have undone the West. Hard to believe that trump supporters are cheering on the demise of the US ..
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u/Throwawaythisoneplz 20d ago
Look, guys, this is already happening on a personal level. I have no reason to ever travel there to see my distant family or friends again, and no reason to buy American either. This won’t ever be fixed for me. It doesn’t matter if you ever get a sensible government, when 85-year alliances can be pissed away in the wind when another R takes office. I won’t spend money to help a country that allies itself to my country’s worst enemy.
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u/silsum 20d ago
Mag-ats don't have a clue. America first also means France, Canada, UK, Australia, and the rest of the countries first. If we dont sell weapons , then what do we sell? No one wants to buy our agricultural products.
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u/RedbarnRiver 20d ago
It’s definitely going to be the U.S. on the outside and alone. So mind blowing to pick fights with your allies and willingly cede 80 years of post war history.
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u/Mtbruning 20d ago
Who could have guessed that telling allies that we install a “kill switch” (his words) into our weapons would effect sales?
Morgan Freeman voiceover: “Everyone, everyone saw that coming”
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u/competentdogpatter 20d ago
It is a very american attitude that the world hated America. I moved overseas 10 years ago and in that time I have seen zero reasons to keep believing that. All of the people I have met from different countries don't hate the USA. I'm sure some people do, but Americans always think that the world is against us. That is a lie. Or was, now it is, the first bit of truth from trump
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u/Watching_Chaos 20d ago
Good on Macron and the EU. The US “doesn’t need them” anyway according to Trump.
Canada will trade with them. China has already cancelled food supply agreements with the US and has made a deal with Canada, which works for us too, because Trump “doesn’t need Canada” either.
Apparently the US can be free from anyone and produce everything internationally.
Bravo USA, you will be all alone soon enough. Once you realize you can’t go it alone, there’s always Russia, Iran, South Africa and North Korea that might help you out.
These massive corporations and wealthy owners have not realized that bringing everything “home” means that these corporations will not be able to expand outside of the US. Those that are now outside of the USA, they’ll shrink.
Good luck, thank the nut bar president and his cronies.
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u/Rangioraman 20d ago
Trump is threatening to bomb Iran and just kicked out the South African ambassador, so I guess that just leaves NoKo and Russia.
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u/Brokenandburnt 20d ago
He kicked out the South African ambassador? Ah, he wasn't white was he?
Some 3-4 weeks ago the Mango Mussolini was offering an accelerated path to citizenship for oppressed "South African minorites".
Can tRump and fElon be anymore transparent?
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u/Simple_Albatross9863 20d ago
isn't it a bad idea to have 99% of the nuclear bombs on the same team(USA+Russia)?
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Anyway, let's be honest, the quality of American products has always been very poor.
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u/SoZur 20d ago
Right?
Trump complained that US foodstuffs are not allowed in the EU? They're not allowed because they don't satisfy EU quality standards (hygiene, pollutants, GMO etc).
Trump complained that US cars are not sold much in the EU? Then make quality car. No european wants to drive a Dodge Ram. These things look ridiculous.
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u/NordbyNordOuest 17d ago
I live in Belgium, occasionally you see a Dodge Ram..... In a medieval city....
It's ludicrous, they can barely turn into half the roads, they are too wide for the parking spaces, they get blocked in by other traffic all the time, they are an absolute liability and about 80% of the population looks down on you for buying them because it's clearly an expensive and impractical ego trip.
It's not even European tariffs that are the issue, it's that US cars are just not appealing in a market where mileage is important and where road layouts are completely different as a result of our way older cities.
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u/Spiritual-Matters 20d ago edited 19d ago
Can you provide a few examples?
EDIT: a lot of comments are not referring to US exports, which is what this story is about.
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u/PraiseTheRiverLord 20d ago
Your dairy is full of hormones and antibiotics not allowed in many places.
They're full of the shitty hormones because they're a cheaper option but have issues.
They're full of antibiotics because the cows live in unhealthy conditions and will get infections without those antibiotics.
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u/Brokenandburnt 20d ago
I liked my Chrysler. Until the engine seized and it was fucking impossible to get a replacement that the car was typed for in Sweden.
Hooray for second hand v6's and connections at the car registry!
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u/Brokenandburnt 20d ago
Neither Bud nor Bud light is classified as beer in Sweden, it's a mixture of firsthand and second hand piss.
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u/jpm_1988 20d ago
US embargo itself from the world. This was expected since we are just following Russias instructions.
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u/yotraxx 20d ago
Emmanuel Macro IS very unpopular in France, still right now. But every times came a major challenge, he was standing and offers tangible solutions for France and his allies.
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u/Full-Discussion3745 20d ago
EU doesnt need Macron to tell them . European consumers are leaving the USA behind in droves thanks to the fact that the USA chose a 2nd car salesman and his South African Grifter sidekick is doing the work themselves.
In the Q1 2025 reports of American Digital companies losing the European Market is going to be interesting read. The EU is by FAR the USA 2nd largest services market. Its going to be a bloodbath.
This group https://www.reddit.com/r/BuyFromEU/ has gone from zero to 200k members in 2 weeks
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u/Jonesdeclectice 20d ago edited 17d ago
A lot of people think of US services as things like Netflix
and Spotify. Most people don’t think of the much more lucrative AWS, MS Azure, PayPal, VISA, Mastercard, etc. That’s where the vast majority of the impact will be made.If I was a betting man, I’d put money into OVH as an AWS alternative, for example.
Edit: TIL Spotify is Swedish!
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u/mateus_gp_6 19d ago
ovh is rly nice, also tried scaleway, another cloud provider from france and it is really easy to use and they have quite some good features already
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u/No-Magician-2257 20d ago
I was screaming it off the roofs that my country Netherlands should not buy F35 but SAAB.
As usual, we were ignored, as usual we were right. As usual, people got paid under the table to promote the purchase of F35, as usual, nobody will face any consequences who were for it.
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u/Brokenandburnt 20d ago
Cancel contract for the undelivered F-35s. Gripen works well with the f-35s, they already come with full nato-link. Everyone brags about the F-35 data sharing while Gripen also has it.
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u/CoC_Axis_of_Evil 20d ago
I’m not going outside of small caps and data AI stuff. S&P 500 is a fish in a barrel.
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u/BillyBeeGone 20d ago
But small caps are doing even worse than a and p 500...
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u/CoC_Axis_of_Evil 20d ago
The S&P should go down with rate spikes. That created a huge gap between small caps. They are already beaten down so there’s less hot air in them. They won’t be immune to complete market pullbacks, sort of priced in. Even utilities are expensive now, there’s nowhere to hide.
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u/Expert_Wrongdoer443 20d ago
I mean, being as how they import and allow so few American products & the US imports and consumes so many products globally; sounds like a winning strategy 🤷♂️
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u/pandaninja360 20d ago
Canadian here. We have lots of steel to sell xD also aluminum but Asia is getting it.
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u/zwd_2011 20d ago
Your analysis is spot on. The rest of the world is moving away. America can only become great again if you ditch this administration and make sure this never happens again.
But good luck with that. In the end trade decides.
Trust arrives by foot, it leaves on horseback.
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u/KoalaCapable8130 20d ago
The EU didn't need the French statement to boycott the US. Trump has done the job all by himself.
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u/freshalien51 20d ago
I said it before we are indeed very lucky because we have a front row seat at the fall of an empire.
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u/JustinPooDough 20d ago
This is what I’ve been saying. For America to be number 1, you need a 2, a 3, etc. Being number 1 in a party of 1 means jack shit.
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u/HYPERFIBRE 20d ago
The NATO commander was recently asking the president to increase the output from the American defence sector. I wouldn’t sing the doom of America just yet
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u/debugdr 20d ago
No more iPhones and streaming services then? I thought so.
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u/Background-Cow8401 20d ago
switching to Samsung and streaming services can easily be swapped with free online websites
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u/Gamer_Mommy 20d ago
Yes, indeed.
An example from Reddit. This sub grew into hundreds of thousands in a span of 2 weeks. r/buyfromEU
USA is doing an AMAZING job at uniting Europe and especially EU. Also thanks to a showdown of what it means to live in a dictatorship, like USA and how fast it can change - a lot of South-East Europe is protesting now against their government if the government openly supports Putin/Trump. So, thank you!
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u/---Cloudberry--- 20d ago
iPhone has less of a hold in Europe. There are also de-googled European brands like FairPhone and Nothing phone.
I don’t know about streaming services, I don’t use any myself.
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u/Fearless_Peach_6044 20d ago
Who needs america, they wanted this so let's isolate them, better products from Europe anyway
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u/Lumpy_Chemical9559 20d ago
Great to hear, we need to continue this global boycott and support the “don’t buy American” campaign. We need to hit this bastard Orange Makeup man government as hard as we can. There will be pain for us all but the Americans will feel it as well. They are so divided already, this is really going to shake things up over there.
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u/Interesting-Eye3113 20d ago
Some rare facts are being spoken here. It will take a generational change, decades, for countries to trust doing business with the US again. Haven't seen anything yet.
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u/ElectricalGene6146 20d ago
Trump supporters have got to be one of the most short sighted political parties ever
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u/AZZman2626 20d ago
This is the way….Target MAGA States and start removing foreign equities from US Market, talking trillions. You will see Shitler lose his mind
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u/sunlightsyrup 20d ago
You guys will be fine
F35s will be in China and Russia by 2026. Your military industrial complex will not slow down, as it never has.
Jack Daniels will sell to NK. Tesla can sell to Iran. All is fine.
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u/Ok-Presentation-4147 19d ago
Avoid Americans goods if there is alternative, is every European and peace, freedom loving peoples moral duty.
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u/SuchProcedure4547 19d ago
Trump has no choice but to retaliate then.
10,000% tariffs on French croissants.
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The military hardware in the eu can't compete in was in the army for 6 years with deployments overseas.. America has cornered the market on killing people
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u/Broad_Hedgehog_3407 18d ago
In fairness for Macron, he has been saying this for years. It is only now, that people can see he has always been right.
It's time for Europe to be rid of all American influence, militarily, economically, and politically.
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u/danm1980 16d ago
By focusing only on Germany (which repreaents the industrial heart of Europe) I will share my take on whats happening in Europe (not an american, but lived and studied in america and lived in Europe) - and why the EU plan is not a threat to the US:
Chancellor Merz's plan (he has not yet taken office) to borrow a trillion dollars for armaments (half) and rehabilitation of old infrastructure (half) was approved in the lower house of parliament, achieving a two-thirds majority (with the persuasion of the "Greens").
This is a crazy plan to increase the national debt for future generations, and the cost of the money they borrow - is rising. German government bond yields are reaching decades-highs (the rule: the higher the yield - the worse off the bond issuer is) .
Germany is like an elderly woman who puts on makeup, hoping that it will make her look younger. It doesn't.
Why is it unlikely to work?
◾️ Germany has no children. Who will pay this future debt?
◾️ The country is being filled with uneducated immigrants, a large part of whom are a burden on the economy, not to mention the crime, anarchy and the identity problem, which creates dangerous social polarization.
◾️ There is no more cheap Russian gas, they have to buy expensive energy, and the factories are therefore closing or leaving.
◾️ China is no longer interested in Germany's heavy machinery.
In my view - Germany will sink into debt and lose control of their culture and industry. Same in France, Italy and Spain.
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u/Explicit_Tech 20d ago
This is what Trump supporters wanted.