r/WallStreetbetsELITE 8d ago

MEME Didn't see this coming

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u/sourbeer51 8d ago

Hits deer next day and didn't get gap insurance

LET'S GO BRANDON

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u/Maximum-Cupcake-7193 8d ago

Whats gap insurance?

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u/WilyWascallyWizard 8d ago

If covers any loan left due if your car gets totalled. I don't buy cars with loans better to just buy something cheaper outright imo.

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u/Maximum-Cupcake-7193 8d ago

I enjoy learning about these systems to buy things you cannot afford. I assume this is because the remaining principle on the loan is greater than the purchase price minus depreciation?

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u/willywonka1971 8d ago

There can be a gap between the amount of the loan and what the insurance will pay out for a totaled car. This type of insurance covers that gap, hence the name.

There are a number of factors why the loan might be higher than the payout. In general, if you need gap insurance you are likely overextended.

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u/TheJizzan 8d ago

So like insurance for your insurance? That sounds terribly American to me

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u/torriattet 8d ago

Not really. Cars devalue the second you drive them off the lot because it goes from new to used. A totaled car under insurance would get you the cost of a used car, because thats what your car is, even if you just bought it that week. The gap covers the value between new and used. Still a giant scam though.

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u/lucklesspedestrian 8d ago

It's even more American than that. It's insurance for a loan.

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u/willywonka1971 8d ago

Yes and yes. We have horrible financial literacy in schools here.

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u/ThomasVetRecruiter 7d ago

You don't have umbrella insurance where you're at?

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u/TheJizzan 7d ago

We have life insurance for housing loans, I'm from Macedonia if that helps somehow.

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u/Sure-Sympathy5014 7d ago

And that's if they even pay you at all! USA!

Something about paying for poor kids school lunches just triggers them into this crazy shit.

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u/Thisdarlingdeer 6d ago

It’s insurance if you total your brand new car youre paying off , so you don’t end up with no car and -45k+ in debt (having to pay off a car that’s now totaled and being scrapped), annnddd need a new car . If you have gap insurance and total ur car, your old car gets paid off and you’re at null again, or you have a couple extra thousand to throw on a new car. I learned this the hard way after getting tboned in an intersection the 2nd day I had my brand new Subaru and not understanding why insurance wasn’t covering it…🤦🏻‍♀️ but it’s a huge scam, but unfortunately it’s one that we have implemented into society here, just like many other scams…

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u/Personal_Bridge6115 7d ago

And your credit score sucks

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u/willywonka1971 7d ago

Fortunate to never have had a bad score. If you put down 20% or more would you still need gap insurance?

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u/WilyWascallyWizard 8d ago

I believe so not sure though never done it.

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u/Jops817 8d ago

Correct. But most people leave a car loan completely upside down on it day 1. So GAP is necessary. And it's not great.

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u/Maximum-Cupcake-7193 8d ago

Is buying a vehicle using your own cash uncommon?

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u/Jops817 8d ago

In the US? Yeah absolutely, people will buy way outside of their means and take out a 72 month loan at like, 6+% APR just to look I dunno, rich to their neighbors? It's weird. GAP gives them a safety net I guess if bad things happen but still, it shouldn't be necessary.

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u/Maximum-Cupcake-7193 8d ago

Taking debt on a depreciating asset is financially regarded.

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u/Jops817 8d ago

It absolutely is! But outside of owning a home, which for most people is LOL yeah right, their only lizard brain symbol of status is what they are driving around town, so people fall for the trap.

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u/Maximum-Cupcake-7193 8d ago

Interesting. In my society, I find that for men, it is their job and relationship status where they derive social worth.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Precisely.

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u/DETpatsfan 8d ago

I could very much afford my vehicle and still got gap insurance. Gap is like $10/month and cars depreciate crazy fast. It loses like $5k the second you drive it off the lot. I don’t want to be saddled with paying off that difference if some idiot in a shitbox totals my car after a month.

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u/Maximum-Cupcake-7193 8d ago

Paying the difference to who?

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u/DETpatsfan 7d ago

So say you get a loan from the bank for $30k for the vehicle. You drive the car for 3 months and still owe $28k on it. The car is only worth $25k now though. You get into an accident and the car is totaled. If you don’t have gap insurance, your insurance will only pay out what the car is worth ($25k). You still owe the difference ($3k) to the bank. If you don’t have gap insurance then you have to pay that $3k out of pocket. Gap insurance is especially useful if you have a longer loan term (60+ months) because it’s highly likely that the car is going to depreciate faster than you’re paying it off.

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u/Maximum-Cupcake-7193 7d ago

Yeh so that individual couldn't afford the car. They needed the bank.

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u/DETpatsfan 7d ago

Taking a loan doesn’t mean you can’t afford a car….there are multiple reasons to finance a vehicle vs paying cash.

  1. Manufacturer incentives often don’t apply if you pay cash so you end up paying a higher price up front.
  2. If interest rates are below ~5% then you are better off financing the vehicle because you can reliably get 5%+ returns with your cash in an SP500 ETF over the life of the loan.
  3. Even if you have the cash up front to buy a vehicle but you don’t want to deplete savings in the event of an unforeseen circumstance (job loss, health issue, natural disaster) you can use the loan to spread the burden out over time and put your savings into an ETF/CD/other financial vehicle that will cover the cost of interest but also leave you liquid.

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u/Maximum-Cupcake-7193 7d ago

Seems like you are equating book value and face value. Also seems like you are then not including depreciation

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u/bluecyanic 8d ago

Anytime you purchase a new car, it depreciates like crazy as soon as you drive it off the lot, even if you purchased it at fair market value, so it doesn't necessarily mean you overpaid or rolled the old loan in.

LPT, never buy it from the dealership as they charge you for every month of the loan, when you may only need it 12-24 months. You can add it to your regular policy and drop it once the loan to value equalizes.

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u/blanczak 8d ago

I learned this the hard way on a motorcycle. Totaled the bike (and my spine in the process) and after full coverage insurance paid their part, I had to keep making payments for like a year. Gap is a must have

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u/FreshShart-1 5d ago

Only saying this so some people don't get the wrong impression. Gap insurance covers a set amount like "125% of vehicle value at time of accident" doesn't cover ANY amount leftover.

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u/GilgameDistance 8d ago

Its for when you make a dumb decision like financing a car for 10 years plus 5 years worth of upside down from the last one and then total it. Extra insurance to pay the difference between what the car is worth and what you owe on it.

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u/Maximum-Cupcake-7193 8d ago

I'd imagine it's very expensive?

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u/GilgameDistance 8d ago

Usually $20-50 per month if your insurer offers it, $500-1000 once up front at purchase if you buy it from the dealer. Some people think it pays out on trade in/sale, but you need to have your car be a total loss for it to pay.

Some people even make that mistake multiple times.

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u/qdawgg17 8d ago

I was a finance manager for years. GAP insurance is and never has been $20-$50 a month and it’s not even a monthly fee. It’s a one time fee that a majority of banks now include for free on the loan and if they don’t, might cost $80-$120. When I added it to my wife’s car last year it was $60 total.

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u/CilantroToothpaste 8d ago

I’m paying $4 a month on a $38k car for mine

Pretty silly not to have it at that price imo

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u/no_use_for_a_user 8d ago

So house PMI for cars.

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u/Clear-Inevitable-414 8d ago

Ensurance?  I'm not old!!!

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u/AmbedoAvenue 8d ago

It’s a specific protection/insurance you’re able to purchase alongside a vehicle from a dealership, IIRC if you total your vehicle you’ll have the remaining amount of the loan debt paid off after the other insurance payouts are sorted out.

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u/Maximum-Cupcake-7193 8d ago

There is some irony in saying purchase and also in debt

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u/AmbedoAvenue 8d ago

Capitalism is inherently ironic

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u/Adezar 8d ago

The moment you drive a car off the lot it is worth a lot less than you paid, so if it gets totaled quickly the gap insurance covers the gap in value and loan value.

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u/WorldsSaddestCat 8d ago

Nobody knows! It's ineffable. It can't be effed.

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u/DarkwingDuckHunt 8d ago

my poor sister had a tree fall on hers after only 1 year

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u/Lethkhar 7d ago

Painfully true. Have you seen insurance rates lately?