r/WallStreetbetsELITE • u/RoyalChris • 1d ago

MEME Dow down another 1000 points. There’s too much winning, Mr. President. We cannot take it anymore.

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u/ThrowRA_sadgal 1d ago

His fellow republicans can stop all this but won’t. I guess they don’t want a republican in office ever again? Fine by me

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u/Vladmerius 1d ago

Similarly the oligarchs in charge of everything could order congress and the senate to remove Trump from office and they'd have JD Vance right there with enough brain cells to still do their bidding.

They aren't doing anything because they are all in a war with each other to see which three of them will own everything in the post apocalypse. When this is over there's going to be just a handful of billionaires who own 90% of industry. 

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u/Emperor_Zombie 1d ago

If JD Vance becomes president, I'm investing in couches because it seems like that's where the real action will be!

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u/LameDuckDonald 1d ago

And mascara.

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u/HeroMachineMan 1d ago

And facial hair care products

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u/Glidepath22 1d ago

Make sure to say thank you

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u/UrsusRenata 1d ago

Cheesy.

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u/Carnie_hands_ 1d ago

Pretty sure I heard him say "fuck couches", so it may be a bad investment

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u/NeoMaxiZoomDweebean 1d ago

Like Russia!

What a coincidence!

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u/Soft-Post-2633 1d ago

Not a Russian asset: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/s/fWQWTrgkOb

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u/Sarik704 1d ago

i love this post.

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u/B1g_Gru3s0m3 6h ago

You know, when you see it all listed out like that, I think he might have ties to Russia 🤦

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u/Particular-Cow6247 1d ago

that "handful own 90%" is not post apocalypse but pre

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u/ksj 1d ago

Isn’t it “current”?

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u/juxtoppose 1d ago

Could all be fixed with a single load in a revolver then?

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u/imnotgayimnotgay35 1d ago

JD Vance has no brain cells.

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u/linkfan66 1d ago

Very convenient to just blame the illuminati, even when it makes no sense.

I'm sure Elon is jumping in joy knowing he lost $30B in the span of 30 hours & knowing that his leverage amount got reduced by 10%.

Brilliant 4D chess move, now our movement can genuinely say "DONT MAKE TESLA STOCK CRASH! THATS WHAT THE BILLI9NAIRE SHADOW CABAL WANTS!!"

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u/ksj 1d ago

I’m guessing they are willing to feel this “pinch” until DOGE has finished their job of stripping the government of all teeth and regulation that may hold any of them back even a little bit going forward.

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u/linkfan66 1d ago

That makes no sense though. Why not just wait a few weeks and save everyone from a 20% drop in net worth?

And again, stocks aren't rebounding anytime soon (if at all this decade), making this entire conspiracy braindead.

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u/ksj 1d ago

Oh, I wouldn’t say the tariffs/stock market collapse are the “goal” of the ultra wealthy. I think a lot of what they can do with the current free-for-all is such a massive opportunity for them, and Trump seems to be the only one who can get away with it so they are tolerating him for as long as there is opportunity to be had.

I also think there’s a lot of truth to that saying “Never let a good crisis go to waste” or whatever. The billionaires take out sub-1% loans against their stocks, which they can then spend like cash. That’s been a thing forever. Just because the stocks go down, that doesn’t mean they lose an equal amount of borrowed capital. And there’s no chance that the banks are going to call those loans due. So if Bezos takes out $100B loan against his assets, and those assets drop to $50B total, he doesn’t really care. He’s still got $100B in liquid cash. He then uses that to buy up as much as possible at the bottom, and that $100B ultimately balloons to way, way more over the next 10 years as things recover.

And then when all is said and done, the ultra wealthy will have more money, more power, fewer regulations, and they’ve crippled anyone and any agency who might have been able to hold them back. They used some of the same techniques to make a massive wealth grab following the 2008 financial crisis, but that one came with the unfortunate side effect of additional regulations. So they see Trump as the opportunity to strip away the government, and then doing the same thing in the ensuing chaos that they did to get even richer after 2008.

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u/linkfan66 1d ago

Well said, but I still disagree with a few things. Sure, they're not going to call Jeff Bezos for his loan if stocks crash cause they know he can sell other shit...however, it's just a simple fact that the amount he could theoretically borrow at a $500B net worth, Is far higher than the money he can borrow at a $100B net worth, thats an indisputable fact.

And then this falls apart the moment they use up all their leverage to 'buy the dip', and then end up seeing another 3 years of losses.

Normally, I'd really agree, but things are different this time. These CEO's are legit scared, look at Zuck, bowed down and switched faster than a bitch. You think he'll call out Trump to tell him that his trade plans are moronic and to stop crashing the market? Also, look at Reddit CEO bowing down to Musk in fear of retaliation. Nobody can speak up against this admin because they have all the power and use that power to fuck over anyone who opposes them.

So yeah, normally you're right, but I think this time things are just different and that CEO's are scared. I also think this is the one time 'buy the dip' won't work, as we won't see economic growth/return to previous valuations for 6+ years at this point.

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u/ksj 1d ago

the amount he could theoretically borrow at a $500B net worth, Is far higher than the money he can borrow at a $100B net worth, thats an indisputable fact.

My point is more that he can borrow the $500B now and then he still has $500B regardless of the stock price. If his account balance is $500B and everything else becomes half price, he’s in a better position than $500B and everything is full price. It’s easier to collapse the price of everything than it is to double the value of a company that’s already a monopoly.

These CEO’s are legit scared

But why should they be scared? Money is king in this world, and they have all of it. They could offer every single member of Congress like $10M and put a stop to literally anything, even going as far as invoking the 25th amendment if they wanted to. Everyone in Congress would sell out Trump for that kind of money; half would do it for free. $10M to each member of congress would only be like $5B. That’s baby money to these guys. They lost that in like 5 minutes these last few days — it would be in their best interests to spend the cash to stop the bleeding. The fact that they aren’t leads me to believe they have a different plan where they don’t need you worry about their stock price.

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u/linkfan66 1d ago

now and then he still has $500B regardless of the stock price. If his account balance is $500B and everything else becomes half price, he’s in a better position than $500B and everything is full price. It’s easier to collapse the price of everything than it is to double the value of a company that’s already a monopoly.

There's a lot wrong with that theory. 1) That $500B will decay in value while waiting for 'the bottom'. And when it comes in and he buys up all the assets, then what happens if it falls further for another 3 years? At no point does this really make sense as a good option, you'd have to be insane to borrow money at these interest rates so that you can hold it and MAYBE time the dip perfectly. And by that time their influence will be over if dems take control. I don't see that being a plausible method for them, especially as they borrow a huge amount of a decaying asset, while also seeing their entire net worth dwindle from the downturn.

And again, the problem is the rebound. All countries hate us now and consumers will go through an insane recession, there's a good chance their stocks aren't bouncing back.

But why should they be scared? Money is king in this world, and they have all of it. They could offer every single member of Congress like $10M and put a stop to literally anything, even going as far as invoking the 25th amendment if they wanted to. Everyone in Congress would sell out Trump for that kind of money; half would do it for free. $10M to each member of congress would only be like $5B. That’s baby money to these guys.

There's a huge issue with this thinking. Trump/Elon theoretically has the power at the moment, the MOMENT a single one of them steps out of line they destroy them/their company through tarriffs, lawsuits or any other means.

Also, Elon and several other billionaires have expressed their undying loyalty to Trump and expressed he'd fund loyalists for anyone who steps out of line...if what you're saying was true, then we'd see a potential billionaire war, except that one side has the president and his entire cult on his side. No billionaire wants to kick off a billionaire political war against the King and the richest man alive lol.

Which billionaire wants to go up against Elon and Trump? None of them have the cult/following/money or power that those two have.

You can't be that naive where you think we can just buy out the ENTIRE US government for a measly $5B without the other side catching wind and doing the exact same thing, counteracting all the money? This is also excluding the fact that Trump and his base are a cult, and any Republican who goes against them is fucked for reelection regardless....and that Trump has all the power in the world.

But seriously, you're smart enough to know that the "$5B scenario" logic just doesn't hold up. Especially considering that any Republican who steps out of line will legit just lose the basic Republican base vote. No republican would vote for an anti Trumper, that's what makes this scenario so implausible

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u/ksj 1d ago

There’s really only 2 things I want to address:

you’d have to be insane to borrow money at these interest rates

The ultra wealthy are not borrowing at consumer rates. They aren’t even borrowing at Fed rates. Banks give them personal loans at less than 1% interest, with the hope that the bank will be chosen for use by the rich person’s company. It’s a whole thing. So it’s not “borrowing at these interest rates”, it’s more like “convert illiquid assets into cash by way of a bank, but without selling any assets and triggering a taxable event or losing a controlling interest of the company”. And in that case, there’s really not a reason to sit on $500B in assets compared to $500B in cash. The asset will still appreciate when possible, allowing them to borrow against them further, and they know the debt will never be called due if the assets depreciate (like during a crumbling stock market). So when the market is crashing, you want your wealth as liquid as possible so you can buy things from bankruptcy and foreclosure. It’s not about “timing the market” and buying up stocks, it’s about driving the competition (the entire category of small to medium businesses) into the ground and buying anything of value they may have had for pennies on the dollar. Think about how Walmart was allowed to stay open during COVID while the mom and pop businesses went under.

Elon and several other billionaires have expressed their undying loyalty to Trump and expressed he’d fund loyalists for anyone who steps out of line…if what you’re saying was true, then we’d see a potential billionaire war, except that one side has the president and his entire cult on his side. No billionaire wants to kick off a billionaire political war against the King and the richest man alive lol.

I genuinely don’t believe any of the billionaire class has any loyalty to Trump. I think Zuck “bent the knee” because it keeps Trump off his back rather than getting threatened every day like what happened during Trump’s first term. The billionaire class is beholden to money and money alone. They don’t care about any one man. If anyone threatens their money or their capacity to make more of it, that person is going to be removed. The fact that Trump hasn’t been removed leaves me to believe that they simply have a way of maintaining their power and gaining more wealth through the chaos, not that they are in any real danger of losing anything.

I could be totally wrong; maybe Elon, Bezos, and Zuck are genuine MAGA zealots. But I don’t see it. I think it’s more that they either see a way to make unimaginably more money through this crash (like they did during Covid), or they were feeling threatened by calls to “tax the rich” and crippled the only entity (the federal government) that could have enacted such policies in any meaningful way. For example, Elon wants his company to take over the duties of NASA and shut out the competition, and make sure Chinese EVs don’t get sold in the US. Bezos wants to take over the duties of the USPS and shut out the competition, and make sure the Amazon empire (including AWS) doesn’t get broken up. Zuck, I don’t know. Maybe he wants a way to push TikTok out or something. Or maybe he wants to be able to force Apple to grant unrestricted tracking of their customers. He was pretty outraged when they blocked cross-app tracking and whatnot, so maybe he wants to break into the walled garden.

Again, I could totally be wrong on their motivations. But these guys are sociopaths, and richer than most countries. I just don’t see them drinking the kool-aid of a known conman. During Trump’s first term, Elon was invited to be part of some business coalition advisory committee or whatever, and he left after like 2 weeks because he kind of hated Trump and it was clear that he wasn’t going to listen to any of them. Maybe the ketamine has made him a true believer, but I think it’s more likely that he’s trying to privatize every part of the US government that he can, much like what the oligarchs did during the fall of the Soviet Union.

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u/Plastic-Reply1399 1d ago

90 % of a carcass how appealing

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u/Trust_No_Jingu 1d ago

Taco Bell

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u/socialcommentary2000 5h ago

It's not an apocalypse, it's a war over intent at that level.

You have one faction that's driven by apocalyptic religious folk.

Another group that is driven by technocratic dystopian vision.

And the third...and arguably the most powerful...is a group of libertarian purists that are asking the question 'can the human condition be boiled down into a series of rote transactions.'

We are having the Kansas experiment run on us.

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u/StreetChemical7131 1d ago edited 1d ago

Lol ok so the shadow deepstate oligarchs who own everything also like when the everything they own completely collapses?

Maybe just maybe we stop shadowboxing nonexistent bogeymen and blame the people who are clearly brazenly responsible here?

If we had a deepstate shadow cabal of oligarchs they'dve already knocked some sense into Trump by now. Instead business leaders bent the knee and donated to his inauguration because newsflash: Trump has all the power and all the responsibility right now. The buck stops with him

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u/RoyalChris 1d ago

They are hurting the 'radicals', and that's all that matters to them.

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u/4dailyuseonly 1d ago

The 'radicals" being Obama pelosi and Biden? Pshaw. Those motherfuckers are rich and gonna be just fine. They are killing small business owners like myself. On purpose, I'm sure.

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u/NewestAccount2023 1d ago edited 1d ago

This was always the goal of Republican policies 

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u/TrashFever78 1d ago

How any normal person think Republicans care anything about them is fucking hilarious.

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u/bustaone 1d ago

Of course. If you bankrupt all the small business then you can swoop in and buy them out of bankruptcy for pennies on the dollar.

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u/pegothejerk 1d ago

On top of the huge profits from absorbing new failed properties, you also get the benefit of no longer having pesky competition to keep you from setting prices as high as you want. It's monopoly time, and that's the goal. Monopoly the game was made to show people how awful unregulated capitalism is, and these bozos took it as an aspirational goal.

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u/A_Fhaol_Bhig- 1d ago edited 1d ago

They want to destroy everything because the destruction and evil is the point.

Destroying public education means charter/private schools for the desirables = both profit and the ability to teach their propaganda without limitations while all the lessors get no education.

High tariffs hurt things like art and books incredibly hard which represent things they hate.

NIH funding being canceled not even because the subject itself is "woke", the subject can be 100% pure science with no mention of diversity but because of the person BEHIND it is one of the "undesriables" they on purpose shut down all research by non white males.

Rich people don't care about higher prices for food or gas. The destruction of 401k's? They don't need it.

What they want is stock prices and similar things to fall so they can buy it at a low price and take control themselves or sell later on when it goes back up for a profit.

It's funny how many people here want to buy low and sell high and yet they aren't causing suffering to hundreds of millions in doing so.

Their evil and hatred and their willingness to destroy everything to profit and attack those they disagree with is their sole desire. The cruelty is the point.

And they will never suffer for it because more than half this country agrees with them. And they will accept suffering so long as the libs get owned. Their hatred of everything will let these people in charge do whatever they want.

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u/funimarvel 1d ago

Agreed except it isn't more than half of the country agreeing with them. It was only half of the people who actually voted in this election, which is why their goal is to always keep voting as restricted as possible

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u/A_Fhaol_Bhig- 1d ago

Ah...true

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u/moistmoistMOISTTT 1d ago

Take a statistics class. The people who didn't vote are going to be nearly identical to the people who did vote.

Probably even leaning away from liberals because they saw no dangers in this election by staying home.

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u/parasyte_steve 1d ago

Yeah my friends family imports steel for sale in the medical industry..

Their shits on the ocean already and they're now being asked to pay the additional tariff or they won't get their steel

Literally highway robbery on these business owners. The US govt are the new Somali pirates capturing ships and demanding money from them in order to let their products pass.

We are all in serious trouble if this bullshit continues past this week.

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u/Total-Armadillo-6555 1d ago

You hear the guy on CNBC yesterday talking about how much apparel product from Vietnam is on the water right now with literal price tags on them.

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u/wxwx2012 1d ago

Imagine it continues past two years .

Make America Russia Again !

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u/_allycat 1d ago

Elon Musk is anti-small business for sure. He has said some shit in the past about culling undeserving companies or whatever. And he dismantled the Small Business Administration (SBA).

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u/Philip-Ilford 1d ago

The guy is all about revenge, and people forget that this could well be revenge against the general electorate for not giving him a clear victory in 2020.

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u/desolationistny 1d ago

People like you are a nuisance to them, unfortunately. It's the reason why we don't have any proper anti-monopolization laws and the right interprets "free market" as meaning "free to corner the entire market". They don't want independent business owners. They want to own everything, cut as many costs as they can and keep us as desperate and obedient workers.

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u/jo-parke 1d ago

Just wait, it’ll trickle down to you. In the meantime, hold on to your bootstraps.

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u/The_Mr_G 1d ago

There's something trickling down and it sure isn't money

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u/jo-parke 1d ago

Yea, I smell it.

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u/EthanielRain 1d ago

Can't have any competition for the 6 companies that own everything

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u/Bored_Trout 1d ago

Don't worry, all those billionaires sweeping in will take good care of your money

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u/chalana81 1d ago

We are just biofuel to them... read up on Curtis Yarvin and have a small glimpse of what him, Thiel, Vance, Musk, etc. envision for the future.

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u/Impressive-Yam-3200 1d ago

I bet they think they are edgy, too, the sickos

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u/chalana81 1d ago

This was public since years, the mainstream media was just sleeping on this, except for some niche podcasts that warned everyone what was coming.

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u/jvpewster 1d ago

Any business that isn’t lead by a cult of personality that extols conflict and “winning” is radical.

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u/C_B_Doyle 1d ago

KOPN MZDAY LTRX URG

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u/CartographerOk489 1d ago

What does Obama have to do with this disaster?

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u/Ok-Helicopter-641 1d ago

They are liberating you, so forget to say thank you!

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u/mysterychongo 1d ago

Just spoke with two Trumper friends of mine who were complaining about their 401ks and they STILL say Kamala would have been terrible, and that at least all the blue-haired trans and LGBT ppl are being handled. Whatever that is supposed to mean. There's no getting through to them. They're excited for Vance to take the helm.

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u/mk2-0 1d ago

You could argue the only reason he's in office is fear of transgenders. Yes the left went way too far with their agenda but what he's doing is a delusional response

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u/Sarik704 1d ago

ah yes the left's agenda of... "everyone ought to be treated equally"

Can't have the transgenders using bathrooms! Better destroy everyone's 401ks to teach them a lesson.

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u/YveisGrey 1d ago

This is literally the thought process

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u/sir_clifford_clavin 1d ago

It's not the topic itself, it's the amount of attention given to it. It drove away millions of voters who think democrats aren't thinking of issues that matter.

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u/FeloniousDrunk101 1d ago

Typically it was the republicans focussing on those issues in my experience trying to get people to be upset and lose focus on their disastrous policies.

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u/sir_clifford_clavin 1d ago

They do it constantly, but the left gave them a ton of ammo that the mainstream U.S. wasn't comfortable with yet. In a democracy that's a fatal mistake. Issues like that need a long, slow marination. I'm on your side, but it was way too much too fast.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 1d ago

How many times did Harris mention transgenders on the campaign trail in speeches, interviews and ads? Cuz I seem to remember her focusing on helping the working class, reigning in the corporate elites, and supporting the troops, while Dump and the GOP spent tens of millions of dollars in ads and hundreds of hours ranting and raving about transgender panic identity politics.

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u/sir_clifford_clavin 1d ago

It's not about Harris , it's about the entire left, including what you and I say online or in public. One of the big reasons many people voted for trump was to 'watch libs cry' or whatever-- not 'watch Harris cry'.

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u/Cannelli10 1d ago

There's always a culture war to say the left went too far on. It's just distraction and manipulation.

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u/NYGiants181 1d ago

LOL Vance is gonna get absolutely destroyed if and when he runs. I have a real feeling he will have been run out of town by then though.

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u/The_Mr_G 1d ago

Don't forget those 10 trans athletes, let's sh!t on the economy for something that never did anyone any harm, durrrrrrrr

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u/BarryDeCicco 1d ago

Just as they assumed that Trump would actually help them, they paint those feelings on Vance.

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u/BarryDeCicco 1d ago

"If only Comrade Stalin knew what the commissars are doing in his name!"

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u/EntertainerAlive4556 1d ago

“Destroy my retirement to own the libs” -maga probably

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u/dmk510 1d ago

Kawabunga!

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u/The_Bandit_King_ 1d ago

Pizza time!!

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u/Bynming 1d ago

They're willing to burden themselves with unlimited hardship just to own the libs because their entire identity is built around being defiant.

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u/StrengthToBreak 1d ago

They aren't, though. Radicals want disorder and misery in order to convince the normies that radical change is needed. If you want markets and liberalism then you work to make markets and liberalism work. If you want authoritarian Marxists, then you do just what Trump is doing, by destabilizing the system in order to demonstrate that the status quo doesn't work.

The key is that the other side is in power when things go bad, so that you can be the "lesser of two evils" alternative.

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u/koithrowin 1d ago

Exactly this. They don’t care. Republicans are now spinning this as “correcting the market and are okay with paying more so their GRANDCHILDREN can be batter off” they don’t even plan to see the real economic “winning” until their old and almost dead. The winning that’s keeping them afloat is harming those they disagree with. Which is why anti- DEI is being pushed so hard. It’s to keep their focus off their economic pain and suffering.

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u/bbiker3 1d ago

By radicals, you mean "Americans"?

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u/Ambitious_Big_1879 1d ago

As long as the 15 trans athletes don’t get to play sports this year they are happy. It’s about hurting the people who need the most support.

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u/EncabulatorTurbo 1d ago

Are you kidding me? This wont hurt them electorally at all, Americans are so brain poisoned they'll, IDK, blame Hillary Clinton

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u/ThrowRA_sadgal 1d ago

I’ve just never encountered a population that just ignores evidence like this? Like even my conservative parents are voting liberal this time. But I’m in Canada. I don’t know why Americans are so scared of changing their minds or admitting when they’re wrong.

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u/You_meddling_kids 1d ago

The media is controlled entirely by right wing billionaires. They only see propaganda and hear the same from their neighbors.

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u/ThrowRA_sadgal 1d ago

Is media really their only source of info? Why aren’t they watching the actual debates and forming their own opinions?! Or just reading what each candidate is promising? The “news” down there just seems like opinion pieces and propaganda so why even watch it?

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u/Rickbox 1d ago

Because most people don't care enough to do that.

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u/Wvlf_ 1d ago

You mean the debates where Trump repeats the exact same insane right wing propaganda like how immigrants are eating cats and dogs?

It’s a brainwash cult, MAGA will never change. Can’t reason yourself out of something you didn’t reason yourself into. The head of the snake needs to be removed for MAGA to die off.

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u/YveisGrey 1d ago

Exactly that or they drink the Kool aid and die. Too bad we all have to suffer alongside them.

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u/ArkamaZero 1d ago

Our elected officials aren't having debates because it could confuse message.

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u/RoguePlanet2 1d ago

They find conservatism comforting in its simplicity. Trump is a populist demagogue with Russian backers/puppetmasters, experts at propaganda. 

If a conservative has some doubts, their favorite media sources will quickly feed them talking points so they don't have to switch mindsets, and are enabled to feel smart and normally superior instead. Now they can be "smarter" than those eggheaded libtards and look down on THEM for a change! 

Feels good I suppose, though I'll never understand why those who want to have the moral high ground don't actually pick the morally-superior side. 

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u/YveisGrey 1d ago

The average intelligence and knowledge of Americans is grossly overestimated

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u/mk2-0 1d ago

slow down... If I were to ask the same question to a right-winger, he will say the media is controlled by LEFT-wing billionaires. You all need to understand that it's us that's doing the controlling. We are painting the narrative and creating this conspiracy and media just plays along

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u/You_meddling_kids 1d ago

Fox News Washington Post NY times NY Post LA Times

All owned by Trump aligned billionaires.

Now list the left wingers and the major media outlets they own.

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u/Parabolica242 1d ago

As a fellow Canadian it blows my mind, too. I don’t even think the most blue blooded Albertan would fall this deep down the rabbit hole of denial.

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u/mk2-0 1d ago

It's because of outlets like this and social media. The more people spout their opinions anonymously, the more brains are being wired to hate opposite views. Go ahead and get on a thread and say the opposite and you will be attacked into submission.

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u/red286 1d ago

I don’t know why Americans are so scared of changing their minds or admitting when they’re wrong.

Because they've made politics their whole identity. This is the problem with having no limits on campaigning. Politics is part of the US news cycle 365 days a year, every single year, with no breaks. There's always an election coming up. As such, everyone is always talking about politics, and they pick sides and make it their identity.

In Canada politics is only relevant for a brief period of time every few years, and we don't mix our federal, provincial, and municipal politics together. So it's far less likely that someone will make their political affiliation their identity, because most of the time it'd just seem weird.

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u/Cannelli10 1d ago

The population doesn't just ignore evidence - they ignore everything. Watching debates? They have no fucking idea what is happening. When they do tune in, they tune into bullshit. Someone I know literally just found out about Signalgate BECAUSE I TOLD THEM. It's all vibes and bullshit and whatever they can smell in the air that day.

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u/Protodankman 1d ago

They’ve mastered the art of entrenching the easily manipulated. They did it with Trump, they did it with Brexit. Guess who they is.

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u/YveisGrey 1d ago

They are stupid. That’s the answer. Stupid people are really stubborn

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u/pendulumfeelings 1d ago

Speaking as an American, it's a combination of ignorance, entitlement, and maliciousness.

This isn't just a problem with the conservatives in this country, but the moderates, liberals, and leftists.

People care so much about being right, that they'll fuck themselves and everyone around them instead of making a logical decision to make things better. And that's why we're behind most of the rest of the world, and why we'll never catch up.

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u/orick 16h ago

54% of American adults read at grade 6 level or below. They are also defunding department of education. That may have something to do with the fact they are so brainwashed 

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u/OkDepth528 7h ago

Never underestimate how dense they are. I always find myself doing that.

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u/mutualbuttsqueezin 1d ago

Conservatives are tripping over themselves to blame Biden already.

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u/kmoney1984 1d ago

Her emails tho!!!!

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u/Helahalvan 1d ago

I just a comment today saying Kamala would have been worse..

It's been so many years of this idiot saying the most stupid and vile shit. If they have not caught on by now they never will.

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u/enfuego138 1d ago

Thanks OBAMA!

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u/YveisGrey 1d ago

Godammit Joe Biden!!

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u/DrKapuskasing 1d ago

I don't think you realize how much of the population votes on real time sentiment. 50% of which is fabricated and manipulated by Russian troll farms and a broadcasting media that is weaponised to misinform and disenfranchise. Trump's horrendous first term and attempted insurrection, should have meant that he stood no chance at a second reign. The guy is balls deep in Russian connections as well and is definitely a dumb ignorant bully. Inherited $400m fortune and a real estate empire yet filed for bankruptcy 6 times.

But guess what, he won all seven swing states with margins large enough to not even trigger a recount anywhere. At least a third of the voting population is extremely reactionary and vote to lash out at incumbent regimes when they feel a slight economic pinch. While 90% of the voting population is selfish and individualistic, and vote to serve their immediate best interests.

If I had a dollar for everytime I heard "business was good under Trump" or things were less expensive under Trump I'll have a million bucks. Oblivious to the fact that this buffoon added more to the national deficit in 4 years than any other president in the history of America. Driving runaway inflation for the Biden administration to fix.

They will vote to burn it all down again because, "sleepy Joe", or "I don't like her laugh", or "women are too emotional to lead" or "illegals are taken all the good jobs". Majority of the American voting population is awfully ignorant and unbelievably stupid.

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u/Deadweight047 1d ago

I'm from EU and my little brain can't understand how someone sending his mop to destroy the capitol can become the next president of a democratic nation.

We on the other side of the water will also have to live with this. It's so corrupt and low level political in so many way. People are brainwashed. They don't know what is real anymore

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u/Due-Leather-7925 1d ago

Because it's beyond comprehension for most people who live in normal countries. But you also don't see the sheer amount of foreign interference that goes into propagandising people in the US on a daily basis. They even have local news stations that spew pro trump lies (that they've literally been sued for) on a 24/7 basis. But that's just business as usual. Money over everything. Literally everything.

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u/Hillary4SupremeRuler 1d ago

But guess what, he won all seven swing states with margins large enough to not even trigger a recount anywhere.

large enough to not even trigger a recount

There's a reason for that.

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u/Opasero 1d ago

This is still crazy to me. I understand checking out and not paying attention to the news; I've done it. I even understand not voting. I don't understand not having at least one vote issue or value that drives your vote, so you're left to choose based on what the candidate looks like or how they laugh, or "he's funny. "

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u/TheElderScrollsLore 1d ago

Bold of you to assume elections will matter from here on

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u/BMB281 1d ago

Trump could literally punch a baby and no one would remember next election. The average American voter base has the collective memory of a goldfish

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u/GlobalLion123 1d ago

Hilarious how they tried to distract their supporters with the story of the poor white kid who was stabbed by the black kid. It was all over social media the last 2 days for some reason

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u/Techters 1d ago

The conservative subs are saying he's winning because the jobs numbers were higher than expected. They'll win midterms again, it doesn't matter.

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u/TERRAIN_PULL_UP_ 1d ago

They DEFINITELY aren’t winning in the midterms at this rate. 

The problem is when the electorate just forgets how terrible the previous admin was when a new one takes over

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u/Ironsnax 1d ago

They will just buy or “find” more votes . How many times has he said his own election was rigged already??!

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u/TERRAIN_PULL_UP_ 1d ago

I guess my comment was still assuming fair elections. I still trust the process of being able to investigate if voter fraud actually happened. I don’t trust local Republican governments to certify elections though

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u/Techters 15h ago

Yeah and I read there was no way he would get elected this time.

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u/butareyouthough 1d ago

The job numbers were also still mediocre

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u/sir_clifford_clavin 1d ago

They're bragging that they beat very low expectations. It's like a sports team losing the game, but bragging that they beat the spread.

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u/mk2-0 1d ago

And of course so many people are judging by the wrong criteria. The world economy and job market is not the same as it was in 1950. For instance, why do we think it's so important to have the factory in america when it's just going to be operated by robots?

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u/SupaDick 1d ago

Do you actually think this will impact his the republican base? They will blame Biden or the Jews. There is no chance they will lose faith in Trump even if they lose their jobs and savings.

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u/mutualbuttsqueezin 1d ago

Yep, they're already blaming Biden, these people don't live in reality

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u/mk2-0 1d ago

I think the far right will not budge just like the far left won't budge. TBH we need to stop listening to those groups. The moderate left and right, and the center need to take back politics. We are listening way too much to the radicals to form our policies.

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u/StoppedSundew3 1d ago

There is no moderate right. Every republican agrees with Trump lmao

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u/Altruistic-Cat-7531 1d ago

I said this after J6 and yet… here we are.

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u/Mediocre-Housing-131 1d ago

You been asleep for the last several years? Everyone said “no chance a Republican ever wins again” when the last of Trumps first term ended with a botched pandemic, riots in the streets, and an insurrection. Not only did we get another Republican, we got the very same one.

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u/ThrowRA_sadgal 1d ago

No, I just consistently underestimate American stupidity.

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u/80085anon 1d ago

lol I don’t know a single conservative IRL that hasn’t become MORE obnoxious since all of this. We’re from Ukraine and my brother is now pro-Russia. You have a full generation of voters raised by lead poisoned individuals. This all makes sense really.

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u/Far-9947 1d ago

I guess they don’t want a republican in office ever again? Fine by me

I just truly believe there is no hope for guys anymore.

I wouldn't be surprised of Tim Walz wins in 2028, but doesn't do a good enough job to save trump's horrible economy, then trump Jr wins in 2032.

Tariffs always fuck over america. But they didn't learn the last 2 times, they won't learn now either.

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u/boringneckties 1d ago

The conservative sub is glazing him so hard. Their 401ks are going to be cut in half by the time this is all over and they’ll still prattle on with “he’s uhh uhh genius! Short term pain for long term gain!” Like stfu. We are a tech and banking country and our president is trying to incentivize us to grow our own bananas. Dumb as hell.

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u/GxRxG-Metal 1d ago

They'll use the remaining money in their 401k's to invest in his new "economic collapse coin" crypto. Or buy his Tariff T-shirts - now made in Russia of course because of the retaliation by the rest of the free world.

BTW any maga willing to admit he's a fucking Russian asset yet?!? Was no tariffs on Russia not obvious enough for you? You'd think siding with Russia to defeat Ukraine would be HUGE NEWS of how much of a traitor he is but nope.

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u/PalaPK 1d ago

The last time they tried this tariff bullshit they lost the house and senate for 60 years so here’s hoping they keep the horse blinders on.

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u/Ryan_e3p 1d ago

At this point, we're just laying in bed waiting for the fever to either burn itself out, or we die. 🤷‍♂️

Fuck it, it's been a run. Not a good run, but a run nonetheless.

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u/TrueMajor3651 1d ago

blackmail and greed are highly motivational.

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u/ToasterBathTester 1d ago

Lmao, 🤣those cowards

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u/FlatOutUseless 1d ago

They know they will never need to win the votes again, they will used good ol’ “it does not matter how people voted, it’s counting that counts” trick from Comrade Stalin.

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u/anomanderrake1337 1d ago

You say that but peanutbrains will be voting again soon enough.

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u/jennyfromthedocks 1d ago

That’s the only silver lining

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u/galactojack 1d ago

Rand Paul - "last time we did tariffs like this, we lost the legislature for 60 years"

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u/objoan 1d ago

Ok guys. You are right, no doubt. But what are YOU doing about it? Don't answer me. Just make sure that you personally, are doing at least one thing about this problem.

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u/ThrowRA_sadgal 1d ago

I’m Canadian and we’re doing more than Americans even though it’s not our mess. 70% drop in Canada -> US travel.

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u/objoan 1d ago

Thank you. I can't do everyone else's part here but I promise you, I am doing absolutely everything in my power. I appreciate the international pressure. Of course, if i was Canadian , I'd stay away also. I'm hoping that this self inflicted bloodbath will wake people up here. The apparent apathy and learned helplessness is shocking, frustrating, and depressing. But I am seeing some changes now that everyone will get hit by the economic devastation.

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u/BunttyBrowneye 1d ago

Wait do you think we’re gonna be able to just… vote him out? I don’t think reality is sinking in for a lot of Americans.

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u/ralpher1 1d ago

Assuming Americans can vote Republicans out, their memory lasts only about 4 years. His incompetence was in full display 4 1/4 years ago, including the Jan 6 insurrection but that was forgotten.

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u/badbadradbad 1d ago

They fully believe there will never be another free and fair election

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u/redmage07734 1d ago

The only way this makes sense is if they have no intention of letting Fair elections happen ever again

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u/Rasmus_DC78 1d ago

the Americans was stupid enough to vote Trump in for a second period, even after all this has actually been released as the gameplan before election, if you think they have learned next time, i would love to think so, but to be honest i am not sure.

And i am not even sure the next president will be a democratically elected president, if you can call the American system democratic with the way it cuts voter areas.

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u/grant0208 1d ago

Bold to assume there will ever be a free and fair election ever again

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u/Jwagner0850 1d ago

Tbf, that won't be the case, but it will definitely hurt them if it doesn't turn around, by the next election.

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u/yoinkmysploink 1d ago

Bro still thinks bipartisanship means something

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u/andstayoutt 1d ago

They said he’s going for three baby!

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u/s33d5 1d ago

I mean, he just got in and he did very similar things in his last term.

The USA usually votes with job growth, etc. but under Trump's last term it was a disaster. Trump doesn't win on his achievements, he is winning the culture war.

This is a good overview of the stats from his last term which show lower wages, higher illegal immigration, higher crime, higher federal debt, lower coal production/jobs, higher housing prices:

https://archive.is/Ed4OF

Pros:

Cons:

  • The economy lost 2.9 million jobs. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%.
  • The number of people lacking health insurance rose by 3 million.
  • The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4 trillion to $21.6 trillion.
  • Home prices rose 27.5%, and the homeownership rate increased 2.1 percentage points to 65.8%.
  • Illegal immigration increased. Apprehensions at the Southwest border rose 14.7% last year compared with 2016.
  • Coal production declined 26.5%, and coal-mining jobs dropped by 16.7%. Carbon emissions from energy consumption dropped 11.5%.
  • The murder rate last year rose to the highest level since 1997.

Misc and funny:

  • The international trade deficit Trump promised to reduce went up. The U.S. trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016. [trade deficits aren't good or bad - it depends what you are buying or selling and for what reason. Also he raised the deficit.]
  • Handgun production rose 12.5% last year compared with 2016, setting a new record.
  • Trump filled one-third of the Supreme Court, nearly 30% of the appellate court seats and a quarter of District Court seats.

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u/bustaone 1d ago

They don't plan to have fair elections anymore. Cheated this past one and plan to cheat from now on.

It's been a rule now for 12 years - whatever the magats accuse someone else of is what they are doing. They screamed about election fraud more than anything else so... Pretty simple.

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u/Sad-Anything-9951 1d ago

They’ll still get elected, sadly.

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u/Comfortable-Beyond50 1d ago

It's adorable that you think that we will be having a real election again in the foreseeable future. If there is an election, the best case is a Putin style election. You know, purely performative with dangerous windows...

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u/yohooho 1d ago

You underestimated stupidity. Not even an American but it is almost guaranteed republicans will be voted into office again.

The ones who voted them in arent about winning, it’s about people losing

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u/hobokobo1028 1d ago

They are going to create a situation where Universal Basic Income will be a mainstream talking point and pass Congress in 2-4 years.

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u/Kashin02 1d ago

They know all they have to do is blame some random immigrant or trans person, and their voters will forget all about this tarrif business.

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u/portezbie 1d ago

Lol, I wish that were true but if Republicans voters voted based on the past actions of Republican leaders we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

Trump will drive us off a cliff and then Republicans will spend 4 or 8 years blaming the next Dem for their mess.

Then the whole cycle will start all over again.

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u/lonelytop1818 1d ago

With any luck at all.

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u/mrfouz 1d ago

They didn’t “wins” enough yet

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u/Hello_Mot0 1d ago

That's what people always say but the idiot masses forget or become apathetic

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u/dimonstarlk 1d ago

I doubt there will be any fair elections in the future. Elections were already rigged against democrats by tactics like The voter suppression and purging of registered voters. I hope I'm wrong.

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u/RichFoot2073 1d ago

Four years after the next Democrat, you mean. Who loses reelection because they couldn’t clean it up fast enough.

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u/Galacticwave98 1d ago

I remember when Dubya was considered to be the last Republican President because he fucked the economy up so bad then America turned around and punched itself in the nuts two more times, each worse than the last. 

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u/xiguy1 1d ago

They haven’t lost enough personal wealth…yet. It’s coming.

Although I wonder how many of them short at the market, knowing this was going to happen?

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u/udoneoguri 1d ago

They will not blame him. 

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u/googleduck 1d ago

That would only be true if this were a Democrat. The voters only hold Democrats responsible for their actions (real or imagined). Trump tried to coup the government 4 years ago and he was back in the oval office next election. He stole and shared classified documents. The voters didn't care. Hillary sent some emails from a private email server? Still comes up and not just from Republicans, even independents. Conservatives are treated like brain damaged monkeys who cannot be held responsible for any actions because they never take any responsibility for their actions. And time after time the voting public rewards them for it. This country is fucked, don't expect this to result in some reckoning for Republicans. At most this hurts Trump's reputation if he creates a depression and Republicans pretend they never supported him and are right back to being elected again. 

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u/EmboarBacon 1d ago

I thought that after he botched the Covid pandemic, which wreaked havoc on the economy and killed over a million Americans. But here we are.

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u/bowsmountainer 1d ago

That's why they're getting rid of the department of education. Keep the peolle stupid and you stay in power despite how terribly you treat your voters

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u/Thediciplematt 1d ago

With any luck we won’t see another GOP in power for 60 years like last time.

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u/MoodooScavenger 1d ago

I wouldn’t be surprised if all the oligarchs actually put in shorts for their companies. People are getting poor, but many are also getting rich

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u/rolloutTheTrash 1d ago

Just wait another 100 years for people to die out, forget this shit happened, rinse and repeat with the scare mongering. Or who knows, maybe in a 100 years we’re all going to be nothing more than AI slaves.

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u/BVoLatte 1d ago edited 1d ago

They actually can't stop this. It's too late. The relationship damage has been done internationally. No country can trust us to honor our contracts and make deals through congress when international foreign policy and trade relations can sway with the wind at Trump's whim. We'll be lucky if our former (key word: former) trading partners let us back at the discussion in 4 years, cause they sure as shit ain't going to let us back as the leader after this. We already showed our allies too the character of our country by watching a coup occur, refusing to hold him accountable, and then the voters themselves willfully re-electing him as a felon to do this shit. It's not like we didn't know who he was and what he was going to do, he talked about this stuff constantly at rallies. People willfully chose to not believe something he said he was going to do, they literally projected their desires for policies onto Trump without him ever saying he was going to do the things they wanted.

Trump did enough damage to the US reputation and relationships in the world in 3 months that's going to take 10-20 years to repair.

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u/I_REDDIT_ONE_TIME 1d ago

Sadly, republicans are too regarded to realize that even after they get voted out in 3.5 years, they’ll go right back to coming out in force 7.5 years from now, likely toting Donny in his casket on stage

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u/1CaliCALI 1d ago

Who voted for this republican moron?

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u/PublicFurryAccount 1d ago

Optimistic of you to think voters are that smart.

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u/El_Zapp 1d ago

They are claiming it’s all Bidens fault. Yes you read that right.

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u/rosstafarien 1d ago

Dems can still snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Biden and Harris threw 2024 away. Biden by not dropping out despite the cognitive issues revealed in the debate. Harris by ignoring the rhetoric about Palestinian Genocide and saying she wouldn't change any of Biden's policies.

Of course Trump is worse on Palestine. Of course Biden led us to a soft landing after the inflation caused by trillions in COVID relief. But Democrats didn't propose to fix anything and people have been hurting as oligarchs have bled us all worse and worse for 40+ years. People voted for change, and boy are we going to get it.

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u/TechnicianIcy8729 1d ago

But the problem is we need to have an economy to go to after. By the time the clown is done with it USA will be bankrupt and noone would want to trade with USA. Noone is going to win trade wars.

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u/inotparanoid 23h ago

They will gaslight everyone with religion in another decade, if they even allow people to vote anymore.

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u/crumpus 22h ago

Republicans don't vote by outcomes or values. This will not stop another one from being in office.

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u/Bitter-Good-2540 21h ago

Don't kid yourself, in ten years, everyone will have forgotten about it and will fall for the same propaganda 

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u/zack189 19h ago

Oh you don't have to worry about that. After trump, the Dems are winning ONE election only.

After that, the Republicans became "the party of responsible economics" again

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u/frena-dreams 18h ago

Oh don't worry, there's still trans people and immigrants that Republicans can use to scare conservatives into the voting polls.

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u/Wooden_Echidna1234 17h ago

I guess they don’t want a republican in office ever again?

Ha, I bet all those MAGATs will still vote Republican next election. They have the memory of a gold fish.

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u/Chronoboy1987 8h ago

We thought that after the disastrous first Trump term, yet here we are.