r/WallStreetbetsELITE • u/RoyalChris • 1d ago

MEME Dow down another 1000 points. There’s too much winning, Mr. President. We cannot take it anymore.

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u/Vladmerius 1d ago

Similarly the oligarchs in charge of everything could order congress and the senate to remove Trump from office and they'd have JD Vance right there with enough brain cells to still do their bidding.

They aren't doing anything because they are all in a war with each other to see which three of them will own everything in the post apocalypse. When this is over there's going to be just a handful of billionaires who own 90% of industry. 

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u/Emperor_Zombie 1d ago

If JD Vance becomes president, I'm investing in couches because it seems like that's where the real action will be!

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u/LameDuckDonald 1d ago

And mascara.

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u/HeroMachineMan 1d ago

And facial hair care products

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u/Glidepath22 1d ago

Make sure to say thank you

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u/UrsusRenata 1d ago

Cheesy.

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u/Carnie_hands_ 1d ago

Pretty sure I heard him say "fuck couches", so it may be a bad investment

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u/NeoMaxiZoomDweebean 1d ago

Like Russia!

What a coincidence!

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u/Soft-Post-2633 1d ago

Not a Russian asset: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/s/fWQWTrgkOb

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u/Sarik704 1d ago

i love this post.

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u/B1g_Gru3s0m3 6h ago

You know, when you see it all listed out like that, I think he might have ties to Russia 🤦

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u/Particular-Cow6247 1d ago

that "handful own 90%" is not post apocalypse but pre

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u/ksj 1d ago

Isn’t it “current”?

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u/juxtoppose 1d ago

Could all be fixed with a single load in a revolver then?

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u/imnotgayimnotgay35 1d ago

JD Vance has no brain cells.

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u/linkfan66 1d ago

Very convenient to just blame the illuminati, even when it makes no sense.

I'm sure Elon is jumping in joy knowing he lost $30B in the span of 30 hours & knowing that his leverage amount got reduced by 10%.

Brilliant 4D chess move, now our movement can genuinely say "DONT MAKE TESLA STOCK CRASH! THATS WHAT THE BILLI9NAIRE SHADOW CABAL WANTS!!"

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u/ksj 1d ago

I’m guessing they are willing to feel this “pinch” until DOGE has finished their job of stripping the government of all teeth and regulation that may hold any of them back even a little bit going forward.

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u/linkfan66 1d ago

That makes no sense though. Why not just wait a few weeks and save everyone from a 20% drop in net worth?

And again, stocks aren't rebounding anytime soon (if at all this decade), making this entire conspiracy braindead.

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u/ksj 1d ago

Oh, I wouldn’t say the tariffs/stock market collapse are the “goal” of the ultra wealthy. I think a lot of what they can do with the current free-for-all is such a massive opportunity for them, and Trump seems to be the only one who can get away with it so they are tolerating him for as long as there is opportunity to be had.

I also think there’s a lot of truth to that saying “Never let a good crisis go to waste” or whatever. The billionaires take out sub-1% loans against their stocks, which they can then spend like cash. That’s been a thing forever. Just because the stocks go down, that doesn’t mean they lose an equal amount of borrowed capital. And there’s no chance that the banks are going to call those loans due. So if Bezos takes out $100B loan against his assets, and those assets drop to $50B total, he doesn’t really care. He’s still got $100B in liquid cash. He then uses that to buy up as much as possible at the bottom, and that $100B ultimately balloons to way, way more over the next 10 years as things recover.

And then when all is said and done, the ultra wealthy will have more money, more power, fewer regulations, and they’ve crippled anyone and any agency who might have been able to hold them back. They used some of the same techniques to make a massive wealth grab following the 2008 financial crisis, but that one came with the unfortunate side effect of additional regulations. So they see Trump as the opportunity to strip away the government, and then doing the same thing in the ensuing chaos that they did to get even richer after 2008.

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u/linkfan66 1d ago

Well said, but I still disagree with a few things. Sure, they're not going to call Jeff Bezos for his loan if stocks crash cause they know he can sell other shit...however, it's just a simple fact that the amount he could theoretically borrow at a $500B net worth, Is far higher than the money he can borrow at a $100B net worth, thats an indisputable fact.

And then this falls apart the moment they use up all their leverage to 'buy the dip', and then end up seeing another 3 years of losses.

Normally, I'd really agree, but things are different this time. These CEO's are legit scared, look at Zuck, bowed down and switched faster than a bitch. You think he'll call out Trump to tell him that his trade plans are moronic and to stop crashing the market? Also, look at Reddit CEO bowing down to Musk in fear of retaliation. Nobody can speak up against this admin because they have all the power and use that power to fuck over anyone who opposes them.

So yeah, normally you're right, but I think this time things are just different and that CEO's are scared. I also think this is the one time 'buy the dip' won't work, as we won't see economic growth/return to previous valuations for 6+ years at this point.

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u/ksj 1d ago

the amount he could theoretically borrow at a $500B net worth, Is far higher than the money he can borrow at a $100B net worth, thats an indisputable fact.

My point is more that he can borrow the $500B now and then he still has $500B regardless of the stock price. If his account balance is $500B and everything else becomes half price, he’s in a better position than $500B and everything is full price. It’s easier to collapse the price of everything than it is to double the value of a company that’s already a monopoly.

These CEO’s are legit scared

But why should they be scared? Money is king in this world, and they have all of it. They could offer every single member of Congress like $10M and put a stop to literally anything, even going as far as invoking the 25th amendment if they wanted to. Everyone in Congress would sell out Trump for that kind of money; half would do it for free. $10M to each member of congress would only be like $5B. That’s baby money to these guys. They lost that in like 5 minutes these last few days — it would be in their best interests to spend the cash to stop the bleeding. The fact that they aren’t leads me to believe they have a different plan where they don’t need you worry about their stock price.

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u/linkfan66 1d ago

now and then he still has $500B regardless of the stock price. If his account balance is $500B and everything else becomes half price, he’s in a better position than $500B and everything is full price. It’s easier to collapse the price of everything than it is to double the value of a company that’s already a monopoly.

There's a lot wrong with that theory. 1) That $500B will decay in value while waiting for 'the bottom'. And when it comes in and he buys up all the assets, then what happens if it falls further for another 3 years? At no point does this really make sense as a good option, you'd have to be insane to borrow money at these interest rates so that you can hold it and MAYBE time the dip perfectly. And by that time their influence will be over if dems take control. I don't see that being a plausible method for them, especially as they borrow a huge amount of a decaying asset, while also seeing their entire net worth dwindle from the downturn.

And again, the problem is the rebound. All countries hate us now and consumers will go through an insane recession, there's a good chance their stocks aren't bouncing back.

But why should they be scared? Money is king in this world, and they have all of it. They could offer every single member of Congress like $10M and put a stop to literally anything, even going as far as invoking the 25th amendment if they wanted to. Everyone in Congress would sell out Trump for that kind of money; half would do it for free. $10M to each member of congress would only be like $5B. That’s baby money to these guys.

There's a huge issue with this thinking. Trump/Elon theoretically has the power at the moment, the MOMENT a single one of them steps out of line they destroy them/their company through tarriffs, lawsuits or any other means.

Also, Elon and several other billionaires have expressed their undying loyalty to Trump and expressed he'd fund loyalists for anyone who steps out of line...if what you're saying was true, then we'd see a potential billionaire war, except that one side has the president and his entire cult on his side. No billionaire wants to kick off a billionaire political war against the King and the richest man alive lol.

Which billionaire wants to go up against Elon and Trump? None of them have the cult/following/money or power that those two have.

You can't be that naive where you think we can just buy out the ENTIRE US government for a measly $5B without the other side catching wind and doing the exact same thing, counteracting all the money? This is also excluding the fact that Trump and his base are a cult, and any Republican who goes against them is fucked for reelection regardless....and that Trump has all the power in the world.

But seriously, you're smart enough to know that the "$5B scenario" logic just doesn't hold up. Especially considering that any Republican who steps out of line will legit just lose the basic Republican base vote. No republican would vote for an anti Trumper, that's what makes this scenario so implausible

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u/ksj 1d ago

There’s really only 2 things I want to address:

you’d have to be insane to borrow money at these interest rates

The ultra wealthy are not borrowing at consumer rates. They aren’t even borrowing at Fed rates. Banks give them personal loans at less than 1% interest, with the hope that the bank will be chosen for use by the rich person’s company. It’s a whole thing. So it’s not “borrowing at these interest rates”, it’s more like “convert illiquid assets into cash by way of a bank, but without selling any assets and triggering a taxable event or losing a controlling interest of the company”. And in that case, there’s really not a reason to sit on $500B in assets compared to $500B in cash. The asset will still appreciate when possible, allowing them to borrow against them further, and they know the debt will never be called due if the assets depreciate (like during a crumbling stock market). So when the market is crashing, you want your wealth as liquid as possible so you can buy things from bankruptcy and foreclosure. It’s not about “timing the market” and buying up stocks, it’s about driving the competition (the entire category of small to medium businesses) into the ground and buying anything of value they may have had for pennies on the dollar. Think about how Walmart was allowed to stay open during COVID while the mom and pop businesses went under.

Elon and several other billionaires have expressed their undying loyalty to Trump and expressed he’d fund loyalists for anyone who steps out of line…if what you’re saying was true, then we’d see a potential billionaire war, except that one side has the president and his entire cult on his side. No billionaire wants to kick off a billionaire political war against the King and the richest man alive lol.

I genuinely don’t believe any of the billionaire class has any loyalty to Trump. I think Zuck “bent the knee” because it keeps Trump off his back rather than getting threatened every day like what happened during Trump’s first term. The billionaire class is beholden to money and money alone. They don’t care about any one man. If anyone threatens their money or their capacity to make more of it, that person is going to be removed. The fact that Trump hasn’t been removed leaves me to believe that they simply have a way of maintaining their power and gaining more wealth through the chaos, not that they are in any real danger of losing anything.

I could be totally wrong; maybe Elon, Bezos, and Zuck are genuine MAGA zealots. But I don’t see it. I think it’s more that they either see a way to make unimaginably more money through this crash (like they did during Covid), or they were feeling threatened by calls to “tax the rich” and crippled the only entity (the federal government) that could have enacted such policies in any meaningful way. For example, Elon wants his company to take over the duties of NASA and shut out the competition, and make sure Chinese EVs don’t get sold in the US. Bezos wants to take over the duties of the USPS and shut out the competition, and make sure the Amazon empire (including AWS) doesn’t get broken up. Zuck, I don’t know. Maybe he wants a way to push TikTok out or something. Or maybe he wants to be able to force Apple to grant unrestricted tracking of their customers. He was pretty outraged when they blocked cross-app tracking and whatnot, so maybe he wants to break into the walled garden.

Again, I could totally be wrong on their motivations. But these guys are sociopaths, and richer than most countries. I just don’t see them drinking the kool-aid of a known conman. During Trump’s first term, Elon was invited to be part of some business coalition advisory committee or whatever, and he left after like 2 weeks because he kind of hated Trump and it was clear that he wasn’t going to listen to any of them. Maybe the ketamine has made him a true believer, but I think it’s more likely that he’s trying to privatize every part of the US government that he can, much like what the oligarchs did during the fall of the Soviet Union.

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u/linkfan66 1d ago

Well said, but as you can guess, I slightly agree with both points.

1) I agree, however, the main 1% borrow move your describing could fast track their net worth loss if they play it wrong. There is no risk-free, infinite money glitch. It all comes with risk.

Stocks could choose to fall/go stagnant for 5 years the moment they buy the dip, and poof, all the other billionaires who weren't degenerate leveragers outearned you. I agree that companies themselves like Apple now have more opportunities, but Tim Apples personal wealth can't be outweighed on a good company purchase that Apple itself makes.

A good company acquisition might increase a company like Apples stock to rise 15% long term at the best case scenario (think YouTube for Google), but Tim Cooks personal net worth fell by 25%, and we're now seeing decade long term economic damage for US companies. Any fall is not worth whatever new opportunities/gains they have.

2) You say a lot of true shit. Def agree that all of them have their own motives and that they aren't MAGA zealots. In fact, after this week I'd be willing to bet they all hate him right now, even Musk probably (although he still loves him because of the power he provides Musk IMO).

But seriously, if you're Bezos and you fundamentally disagree, what do you genuinely do? Midterms aren't for 1.5 years, so there's nobody to fund at this point. Saying anything is pointless, as it'll he a nothing-burger in today's news cycle, on top of Trump firing back.

Any personal vendetta from Trump aainst their company could cost them hundreds of billions against their companies valuation, which is tied to the CEO's net worth. There is nothing they can do, so why fight it? If they start funding opposition this early or at all, they'll just get destroyed by Trump.

Again, I just think you fail to take into account that MAGA normies are a cult and they won't for local Republicans who defy Trump, no amount of money can change that.

And all those points you listed are nothing-burgers tbh, Zucks company had a $500B valuation cut so far, which is $200 more than Tik Toks worldwide valuation before the crash. USPS is worth pennies on the dollar to someone like Bezos, and helps them keep shipping prices low and competitive so that Amazon gets the best rate. Bezos doesn't want control of USPS, because he wants their rates to remain really low, which a private sale would do the opposite.

Scared is maybe a bad word, but there is just nothing they can do to stop him, and there's no point in making enemies with him/Musk.

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u/Plastic-Reply1399 1d ago

90 % of a carcass how appealing

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u/Trust_No_Jingu 1d ago

Taco Bell

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u/socialcommentary2000 6h ago

It's not an apocalypse, it's a war over intent at that level.

You have one faction that's driven by apocalyptic religious folk.

Another group that is driven by technocratic dystopian vision.

And the third...and arguably the most powerful...is a group of libertarian purists that are asking the question 'can the human condition be boiled down into a series of rote transactions.'

We are having the Kansas experiment run on us.

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u/StreetChemical7131 1d ago edited 1d ago

Lol ok so the shadow deepstate oligarchs who own everything also like when the everything they own completely collapses?

Maybe just maybe we stop shadowboxing nonexistent bogeymen and blame the people who are clearly brazenly responsible here?

If we had a deepstate shadow cabal of oligarchs they'dve already knocked some sense into Trump by now. Instead business leaders bent the knee and donated to his inauguration because newsflash: Trump has all the power and all the responsibility right now. The buck stops with him

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u/Zuuman 1d ago

They don’t care for the collapse they can make money out of it.

The cool thing about billions is that you use them to rig the game for you 100% of the time.

Also they are not a shadow cabal, they are well known figures acting in your face and being very public about their goals.

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u/ChickenStrip981 17h ago

Billionaires don't actually care about money, the money is simply a tool like a hammer, anyone with over 10 million doesn't have to worry about anything ever again.

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u/GrandSymphony 15h ago

Do you know they can buy a ton of Puts right before the crash? This will earn them more than their holdings.