r/arcane • u/[deleted] • 1d ago
Media Animators talking about Jayce and Viktor relationship.
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u/BakaN3ko123 Wait, this isn't my bedroom.. 22h ago
As someone who ships JayVik, I think it is mostly because of their close bond from season 1 then becoming enemies and overcoming that at the end of season 2.
I'm someone who loves a good friends to enemies to lovers. I thought Jayce and Viktor were cute bros in season 1 (didn't even ship them at that time. As far as relationships, I was rooting for CaitVi and TimeBomb [thinking TimeBomb would literally just be my own personal ship before season 2]), but after season 2? I loved Jayce and Viktor's dynamic.
Just putting a JayVik shippers thoughts out there. Everyone has their right to see art in their own way and that's what makes Arcane so spectacular. The characters and story are so wonderful to enjoy and take different perspectives.
Shipping is just for fun. It is sad how we have a ton of issues because of it.
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u/Meepus-Maximus 22h ago
It's so upsetting seeing so much fighting regarding ship wars. The animators and VA's have been pulled into it as well as they have faced so much harassment for shipping (particularly Jayvik) that I can see why so many of them have avoided talking about ships all together
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u/BakaN3ko123 Wait, this isn't my bedroom.. 22h ago
I've been into fandoms and shipping for some time. This is all the same story just told in a different media. It is very sad how toxic it can be and the lengths some shippers will take it.
I honestly see fandom as a form of creative inspiration. See something you like? Create content for it or even make original content showing your passions. Don't harass others for thinking differently.
I will scream into the void for Riot to give me something JayVik (knowing it will most likely never happen), but I will not fight with someone who feels the same for MelJay or whatever other ship. Everyone has preferences. I love that everyone can feel that strongly because of art. It is why we are here, talking about it.
Some don't even care about ships and I can respect that. I wish I could be that way. But I am the way I am, and hello there! Here's me!
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u/misterjive 22h ago
Well, tbf the Jayvik thing is a point of contention due to Fortiche forgetting to put any gay men in their show at all and then Riot slamming the door so weirdly on the shippers. It's not a good look considering who their primary audience is.
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u/Stardust-Musings 18h ago
That's not on Fortiche.
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u/misterjive 18h ago
I certainly suspect it's Riot catering to the worst aspects of their gamer base.
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u/Stardust-Musings 18h ago
Yeah, definitely. Lots of ppl think the CaitVi stuff makes them super queer friendly but it's the exception that proves the rule. There are pockets within the company that fight for more representation but more often than not they're shut down and their efforts minimised.
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u/misterjive 17h ago
I mean, I've had people argue that they can't be coming from a homophobic place because of the jail scene.
And then I want to gently ask "do you honestly believe only lesbians watch lesbian porn?"
(Although that wasn't the best response. The first time I mentioned noticing the lack of gay representation somebody apparently unironically said "what about the Yordle in the gimp mask?" Like... dude.)
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u/Stardust-Musings 17h ago
Yeah, I can understand CaitVi fans being upset when ppl reduce them to lesbian porn for straight guys, cause obviously they are not, but it's absolutely a factor that helped them. Were CaitVi two guys I don't think we would have gotten hot jail sex.
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u/misterjive 17h ago
Nor ridiculous-ass change.org petitions demanding the three seconds of footage that got cut :)
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u/Gucci_Snoop_Dogg77 18h ago
It’s not? The show isn’t supposed to portray any specific sexuality or race or any of the other discriminates we use in the normal world. It’s their creative product, based on their hard work and writing. If someone cares so much about inclusion then they should write and animate a show themselves, but don’t blame it on Fortiche or Linke and Yee who have literally given the last 9 years of their lives to this show and only for two seasons.
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u/misterjive 17h ago
Yeah, when someone spends nine years making a show and then does something this obvious with it, it's kind of noticeable. For a show lauded about its LGBTQ representation and one that makes a point of savagely turning gender-based tropes inside out, the fact that they didn't have any M/M relationships in it even for a moment is either the weirdest blind spot ever or it's pointing at something kind of unsavory.
"write and animate a show yourselves" (snort)
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u/Gucci_Snoop_Dogg77 18h ago
I agree with what you said and I have no issues with it. The ones I have issues with are the ones trying to force their opinions on the fans or on the writers. I don’t want Arcane to become another AOT (and thankfully riot will never allow that to happen). AOT also had a perfectly reasonable ending and the fanbase just couldn’t let the writer do his own thing so they forced him to change the ending of the anime. An animated show or any form of entertainment is the hardwork and soul of the creator channeled into something for the masses and we can have our opinions about it but forcing them on others isn’t right. I agree with you and I get that you’re one of the good ones but this is where most of the issues with shipping lies. One person will say “time bomb wasn’t main universe so it doesn’t count” another will say “jayvik” for whatever reason i’ve heard of vander and silco ships, like that’s cool fantasise all you want, ship all you want, but forcing opinions just leads to chaos.
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u/BakaN3ko123 Wait, this isn't my bedroom.. 14h ago
Anime is another area of toxic fanbase in shipping. My first exposure to it a while back.
I haven't seen all of AoT, but I've heard of the discourse with the shipping.
Forcing opinions isn't cool. Everyone is allowed to like what they like or not like. Just don't be a jerk about it.
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u/Pending1 Powder 23h ago
How many times are we going to go over this? JayVik is not canon, but if you want to headcanon it, that's fine. Just don't be weird about it. Let's please stop harassing the animators and writers about this.
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u/Meepus-Maximus 23h ago edited 22h ago
I think you are missing some context. The animator in the middle, Andres Derakhshani, was the most vocal on shipping Jayce and Viktor and in his previous interview a few years ago specifically talked about how the staff shipped them romantically, made fan art of them, and that he himself saw them that way. They specifically also asked for Jayvik shippers to join the interview and ask them questions
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u/Severe_Escape_4438 23h ago
I mean if the creators wanted them to be romantic together they would have made them romantic together, they clearly had no reservations about showing queer relationships as with caitvi. It's fine to ship them because they do have such a close bond, but canonically they are best friends. I find it odd when people treat them as a gay couple as a fact
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u/noahbaobei 20h ago
The creators? The creators are Riot, the show runners Fortiche are under obligation to stick close to characters they already had established and can only change so much without their approval. Videogames on whole have dammed queer male relationships for a very long time, recently they use females to show they're "lgbtq friendly" because two girls together doesn't upset their male based audiences. Considering Riot was hoping to bring people from Arcane into League I guarantee you they were restricted from doing so for this exact reason. Riot historically hasn't been very lgbtq forward, it's only a new shift for them to even make a male couple canon in their games, there's no way they'd have something like that in their flagship show.
People treat them like they're a couple because they have eyes. I've never seen something more queer coded than those boys story. They should have been a canon pairing to match with CaitVi but I guarantee you it was because they couldn't.
They're so in love it's insane, you don't pull what they pull over a "friend." No further comment. I have spoken.
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u/misterjive 22h ago
and yet Timebomb fandom
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u/Severe_Escape_4438 21h ago
I mean, they kissed. That's pretty damning evidence of romance 😭
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u/misterjive 21h ago
which episode was that?
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u/Severe_Escape_4438 21h ago
Huh? Season 2 episode 7
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u/misterjive 21h ago
Oh yeah
hey I just realized, why weren't Mylo and Claggor at the big fight at the end, they were in 207 too
did they just not think protecting Zaun against Noxus was important or something
oh shit and Silco, where was Silco during the big fight?
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u/Severe_Escape_4438 20h ago
What argument are you trying to make here???
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u/misterjive 20h ago
oh shit I figured it out
207 was an alternate universe
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u/Severe_Escape_4438 20h ago
I don't know what hill you're dying on with this weird sarcastic attitude. I don't ship timebomb nor do I care about any discourse surrounding arcane. The writers said Viktor and Jayce are close friends. They're not canon. Caitlin and Vi ended up together, they are canon. Ekko kissed powder in the au romantically and had strong feelings for Jinx in the main universe, but they didn't up together. The couple isn't canon but there was an overt romantic element to their relationship that existed in both the au and the main universe. What's your point here?
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u/misterjive 20h ago
I'm not dying on a hill. I'm pointing out that "shippers making up a relationship out of whole cloth" isn't endemic to Jayvik-- frankly, Jayvik takes less mental gymnastics than main-universe Timebomb-- but the reaction to the ships are vastly different.
Where's the romantic element to Timebomb in the MU? Is it that moment when Jinx kind of smiles at Ekko before she tries to kill them both?
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u/Anmus 1d ago
Like... people really needed to hear the confirmation, that they were really close friends? Isn't it obvious?
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u/Frostbitejo 22h ago
Do you really think that’s the confirmation some people were hoping to get?
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u/Prossessed90909 21h ago
I'm not sure what you expected? Obviously the story is intended for them to be best friends / work partners. all they're saying that you can interpret it how you'd like.
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u/Gucci_Snoop_Dogg77 17h ago
People love forcing their opinions on others. I’m happy Fortiche, Riot, Linke and Yee won’t let this perfection of a show become another Attack on Titan shitshow. If the fanbase likes the actual plot and story then they can be fans, if you disagree to the extent of forcing your opinions, they should fuck off.
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u/Fast-Organization140 1d ago
Just based on how spectacular the final Jayce and Viktor moment looked, you can tell the animators absolutely adored their dynamic