r/autismgirls Mar 01 '25

TIL that many autistic people have an increased # of serotonin neurons in specific sensory parts of the brain, resulting in a more heightened sensory experience (rs6311 CC)

Checkout the gene 'rs6311' gene expression 'CC', and you might just find the gene you have that links to sensory issues, hahah.

Turns out the 'CC' genotype for this gene expression is directly linked to:

  • sensory overload
  • auditory hypersensitivity
  • light sensitivity
  • texture sensitivity
  • cognitive rigidity
  • OCD-like thought loops

Who would've thought that extra serotonin could be such a painful thing??

Edit: painful was the right word, not 'bad' It's painful for me to hear that stuff sometimes.

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u/ReinaRocio Mar 01 '25

Interesting info for sure. Could you share your source where you learned this from? Would love to have a look into it myself.

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u/kelcamer Mar 01 '25

Sure thing!

"The 5-HT in barrel cortex is actually contained in glutamatergic thalamocortical axons that lack synthetic capacity but take up extracellular 5-HT via SERT (Lebrand et al., 1996). It remains unclear, however, how 5-HT captured by TCAs plays a functional role during neurodevelopment."

This is a good start, lmk if you want others:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4824539/

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u/ReinaRocio Mar 01 '25

Thank you! This makes me wonder if things like 5 HTP affect autistic folks differently or if we carry increased risk of serotonin syndrome.

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u/kelcamer Mar 01 '25

Indeed! There are also other brain areas that get LESS serotonin to make it even more complicated hahaha

So some areas get more and some get less and the parts that get less likely are the root cause of executive dysfunction issues 😭

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u/moonsugar6 Mar 01 '25 edited Mar 01 '25

Interesting! I just checked mine and I do have CC at rs6311. Very neat info, thanks for pointing this out!

Edit: It looks like there might be a link to alexithymia as well. The rs6311 of serotonin receptor 2A (5-HT2A) gene is associated with alexithymia and mental health - ScienceDirect

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u/kelcamer Mar 01 '25

Wow! That's so fascinating! :D

Check these out too, if you're up for it!?

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u/sphinx_io Mar 02 '25

Please explain these. I checked these for myself and I have the same genotypes except for rs211037, I have C/T. What does this mean?

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u/kelcamer Mar 02 '25

Lucky you! LOL.

That gene means you don't have fully reduced oxytocin signaling, it's only partially reduced.

Which means, you might feel more social bonding than someone with 'CC' (me)

And it also means you might be able to see a LITTLE more intuitive cues, but not as much as someone with 'TT'

An oversimplification might be like 'TT' = 100% good oxytocin signaling (social bonding and cues), 'CT' = 50% and 'CC' = 0%

(Can confirm anecdotally that there's a lot I am blind as hell towards and have to memorize algorithms for)

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u/kelcamer Mar 02 '25

Also, how fascinating you got all the others the same ;) hahaha. Sorry for your sensory issues!

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u/sphinx_io Mar 02 '25

Noise canceling headphones and FL-41 tinted lenses are very helpful. :) So are dish gloves!

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u/kelcamer Mar 02 '25

Based on that, if I took a guess, I'd be willing to guess you maybe can see slightly more cues than other autistics BUT you probably also struggle with serotonin differences (maybe have executive function issues, possibly, but it fluctuates?) and then the extra serotonin from 6311 gene probably means noises / textures gets extra painful

And since serotonin could still be dysregulated, it can also by extension dysregulate oxytocin too so I'd guess serotonin changes probably impact that feelings of social connectedness to others a lot more intensely, compared to someone like me who just almost never feels that at all lol

How accurate am I?

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u/sphinx_io Mar 02 '25

Well, my psych describes me as someone who, "Is really good at connecting with other people considering how obviously autistic" I am. But that I seem to not notice that I am connecting with others. I have sensory issues, especially auditory, but all are affected. Sensitive to lights, sounds, tastes, touch, my own feelings and physical sensations...Some sounds are especially painful. My entire body hurts. I do see lots of details and have strong pattern recognition. I have a mutation in an oxytocin receptor that I know has been identified in some autism study/studies.

What do you mean that you almost never feel "that" at all? Like you don't feel social connectedness?

EDIT: I think I struggled with executive function more when I was a kid, but I am a lot better at it and I like to be organized for the most part, visual clutter is overwhelming.

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u/kelcamer Mar 02 '25

Yes! Exactly!

For me social connectedness almost purely exists over shared information, but nothing else by default.

Like if I'm at a pep rally for example, I 100% feel ZERO social connectedness with anyone there, and am simply overstimulated AF

Wow your psych's description is SPOT ON with your genetics!!! That is so neat 😁

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u/kelcamer Mar 02 '25

The social connectedness aspect - reduced oxytocin signaling - means that to some extent, I feel nearly the same when I talk to an AI as another person UNLESS that person is someone deeply special to me. (Like my husband, and my two close friends)

But like a surface level friend, or a coworker, or anyone like that, there's just nothing there and it feels WAY more like an obligation than anything enjoyable.

Gosh it's so cool you got a CT for that gene! I could learn so much from you about social dynamics in that case 👀

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u/sphinx_io Mar 05 '25

Haha. I think I can relate to what you experience to a certain degree. But, when I connect with someone, it is very deep and I get really attached. Hm, maybe that's what you just described? Would you mind sharing the research you used to put that genotype map together? This is cool, thanks!

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u/kelcamer Mar 05 '25

very deep and I get really attached

Yes exactly!

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u/kelcamer Mar 05 '25

Sure! This website will tell you whatever you want to know about rs numbers:

https://www.snpedia.com/index.php/SNPedia:FAQ

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u/kelcamer Mar 02 '25

my entire body hurts

Big same 😭

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u/nevereverwhere Mar 01 '25

That’s interesting, thanks for sharing. It definitely has benefits to notice the details but can be very overwhelming. I could hear the electricity in my heating pad yesterday.

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u/kelcamer Mar 01 '25

Relatable hahaha

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u/elainarae50 Mar 01 '25

It's not a 'bad' thing at all. Imagine being able to hear, feel, and experience the world at a heightened level. If the majority were autistic, then what’s considered 'normal' today might actually be perceived as 'mentally challenged.'

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u/kelcamer Mar 01 '25

(My sensory issues hurt so bad sometimes and when I try to explain it to allistics they genuinely can't fathom pain from lights & sounds and stuff)

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u/elainarae50 Mar 01 '25

I'm so sorry that you experience pain from your sensory sensitivities. I honestly thought you meant ‘bad’ in an ironic sense. I feel like many people see autism as a flaw or a disease, but I see it differently. I know it can be incredibly difficult, but when those heightened experiences are understood, controlled, and managed, they hold so much potential for deep insight and unique perspectives.

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u/kelcamer Mar 01 '25

Yes! I absolutely agree 🥰

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u/kelcamer Mar 01 '25

True! Sorry, I should've used the word painful instead haha

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u/LilyoftheRally 20d ago edited 18d ago

I wonder if this links with misophonia as well.

I've often had to tell allistic people discussing sensory issues in autistic people that sensory seeking (hyposensitivity) is also a thing, because I'm tactile sensory seeking.

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u/kelcamer 20d ago

rs3738401 links to misophonia! (DISC1)