Disney always waits a decade to do their best sequels. Zootopia 2, Incredibles 2.
And it waits not very long for its mid sequels. I didn’t like Frozen 2 as much, call me a hater or whatever, I don’t think it’s terrible just not a fan.
I think it's less that Disney takes a decade and more that it takes Disney around a decade to run out of original ideas and cycle back to Older reliable properties.
Also didn't care to watch Frozen 2. The first one was fine at best.
Those are some pretty terrible opening weekend numbers for a Disney tentpole movie, and with the word of mouth around this film being as negative as it is, things are only going to get worse from here.
Reshoots, rewrites, an identity crisis about what to do with the dwarves that landed on truly horrendous CGI, pissing away money by filming a bunch of shit without planning to be CG’d over later. A lot of Disney’s recent money losers follow this pattern. You’re absolutely right, this could have cost a third the money and probably sold the same number of tickets (or better, if the dwarves didn’t look like nightmare fuel lol saw somebody saying their kid was deterred by it) but they seem to have fallen into billion or bust mentality and just throwing money at the wall and hoping it’ll stick.
This turkey has been in development for so long, and re-worked and re-re-worked so many times, the mind boggles at how much footage there is and how many different conflicting versions there are of this film locked away in the Disney vault.
I mean, feedback from the few people who've actually sat down to watch this thing is that it feels like 2 different movies jarringly edited together, but it's probably more like 5 or 6 movies worth of content hacked to pieces at this point.
They basically reshot the entire back half of the movie after Zegler shot off her mouth and outed that the movie was basically "Snow White in name only".
Everything in the West is super bloated nowadays, be it gaming or movies. They need thousands of employees to create anything. Many of them do piss poor jobs (or nothing worthwhile at all) for 6 figures while demanding many benefits.
HR is one of the biggest costs for those productions.
Going to nose dive massively because theatres will push back on the contracted show demands due to performance - but really most tentpoles and films have chosen not to go near it which is a shame - something else could have cleared up
I would actually contend that the issue is in the assumption. Latino doesn’t mean anything. You can be a blond Argentine with blue eyes and still be a Latino. You can be a Quechua from Bolivia and be a Latino.
It’s literally a label that is too vague to mean anything to anyone. Sure, Colombians in the US may be excited about someone of Colombian heritage to be the lead character. But I have a hard time understanding why that specific fact should push any Mexican to give a damn about it. Or Argentines. Or Venezuelans. Etc.
There are a lot of people who desperately want this film to succeed although I'm sure they are grossly outnumbered by those who want to see it curb-stomped to oblivion.
It's all down here from here. There is way too much going against it. From people turning on Gadot. To the negativity around a billionth remake/ sequel.
Kids movie that wasn't made for kids but geared towards people who don't even like snow white made by people who don't even like snow white.
For what it's worth, OUaT's Regina was not concerned about beauty. She wanted revenge and blamed Snow disproportionately.
The Evil Queen is almost always prettier. I low-key suspect part of that is requiring an older woman (read: non-ingenue age) who still has a career in Hollywood.
Honestly, I find all these discussions about beauty a bit pointless and stupid. The movie looks terrible on its own, and Rachel doesn’t really fit Snow White’s visual much, but it also seems like the stylists didn’t even try. I thought the beauty the mirror talked about was supposed to be inner beauty and innocence? It’s been ages since I watched the animated movie—I actually remember the Stewart version more. Again, I think Once Upon a Time did much more interesting things with Snow White, the Evil Queen, and even the Prince than Disney. Even with creative freedom, Snow White in OUAT still had that classic Snow White aura.
She was kind (a gentle school teacher), soft, and feminine, but also brave, assertive, and fierce due to her time living in the woods while escaping. If they had marketed her like that, I think the public would have been much more interested.
It was a PR nightmare from the start, but the marketing for this movie was already dead the moment they announced there wouldn’t be dwarfs. People just aren’t interested in mid-tier live actions unless they bring something new or feel fresh (like Lilo & Stitch does—after so many princess live actions, a family movie like that feels much more appealing).
I didn't explain myself well. I always though both the Evil Queen and Snow White could be considered physically beautiful, but the Mirror ultimately chooses Snow White because of her inner beauty, kindness, and pure heart. The idea is that while the Evil Queen may have the outward appearance, Snow White's true beauty comes from her character and goodness, which adds extra "points" for her in the end. I thought the tale was something like that, but who knows, there are so many versions, most modern adaptations tend to follow this interpretation.
But that's the point of her escaping the huntsman and making friends with the dwarfs—her character and kindness were what made her survive. That’s why a lot of things Rachel said during the marketing and press tour didn’t sit well with classic lovers. Like, you can make her more fierce, but as I said before, there are some traits of her character that need to be respected. OUAT did it really well.
Isn't it a huge point that Snow White is the "fairest of them all". The tale did focus on her physical attributes quite a bit: her black hair, her fair skin, her red lips.
I was thinking about that too! I’m particularly annoyed by how bad the costume design is in this Snow White. Especially with the massive budget compared to a tv show.
Regina’s Evil Queen outfits in OUAT were so much more stunning than anything Gadot wore.
Even with depressed numbers for this, decent numbers sporadically for other titles, and/or even with executive changes in Burbank, they’re still not going to stop this “raid the Disney vault for animated films we can turn live action”, are they? 😑
They've basically run out of viable titles to remake from before 2009.
They'll remake Tangled and Frozen, and probably eventually Coco, Brave, and Encanto. But after that, they will be dependent on their animation studio's ability to make new hits...which hasn't exactly been stellar lately.
They'll 100% do a remake of those, but I also think they'll try Pixar soon. A "live action" Toy Story, Incredibles, Up, Finding Nemo and so on.
And they'll most likely try to do more sequels, like Aladdin 2, Lion King 2, Jungle Book 2...
Never underestimate how low the slop machine is willing to go.
The negative hype of this film is really far and wide just like The Marvels, Madame Web and Morbius. I just think the original Snow White is so beloved by a lot of audiences that a reboot that has been characterized by the lead actress' negative remarks about the original and terrible handling of the dwarfs characters was bound to be a disaster.
lol Snow White wishes. Batman & Robin’s $238 million in 1997 is equivalent to $470+ million in today’s money. A total Snow White could only imagine at this point.
It's funny how RT hid the Audience Score for a day since, for some reason, they believed this film fits into their "expected 120 million opening or above" rule and thus it needed 500 verified audience reviews.
These surreal moments are the ones corporations like that could and should use to completely change course. But boy does it feel like there are inky idiots steering the ships over there.
This is an EPIC disaster. Sub $100 million GLOBAL opening? We will probably see several planned live action remakes cancelled or completely reworked, we will see career ending implications. Gal Gadot most notably will probably not see the big screen as a lead ever again. It’s Netflix for her till here on out. Zegler will have an uphill battle. It’ll take yrs for another studio to trust her as the lead. Sad outcome, but that’s where we are
Sad for anyone who put their time, effort & resources into making the movie. Nobody should “want” a film to fail. The hopeful scenario was that the film makers would make a decent product & it works out for everyone. Unfortunately that didn’t happen, so the natural result is a flop that destroys careers.
A lot of this sub are just mindless shills for the industry as a whole, and want every big American studio production to succeed no matter what. Personally, I think it's a good thing when a self-evidently terrible movie fails miserably; because at least then there's a chance Hollywood might learn a lesson from it, albeit a painful one.
I think this is one of the films which entities from both end of political spectrum hate for their own reasons. The casting director deserves the Noble prize for peace for unifying them into one common cause.
It's all speculation, but if the budget actually is 270 and if they spent a modest 100 million on advertisement, it would be around 740 to break even depending on the split from theaters. Fiddle around with some of those numbers or percentages and you can claim anywhere from 650-800 quite safely.
Honestly, of the live action that have come out, Lilo and Stitch is the first that Ive felt confident about after seeing the trailer.
Stitch looks *good* and they actually picked relatively normal looking actors for the film (meaning actors that tend toward looking like every day people and could actually match the characters pretty nicely).
Between what looks to be a pretty promising film and that budget, Disney could be in for an absolute success (at least right now with how early it still is).
Stitch is the only live-action remake that I actively support. Let the summer season begin with something fun and enjoyable for any audience, like the titular blue alien!
There is no justified reason for this movie to be upward of $200m in budget. It's Snow White. Is there some massive fantasy battle as big as Helms Deep or something?
Went to see it on Saturday evening, which should be peak time for a big new blockbuster movie. Parking lot at my local cinema was practically empty, and the cinema was only about half full. That’s bad for an expensive new Disney film on a Saturday evening with lovely clear weather and no other big events happening (so families won’t have had any big excuse to not show up for it). I know my local cinema is a tiny sample size and it’s anecdotal evidence, but it’s usually a pretty good barometer for how successful a movie will be for me. Hopefully they stop with the live action remakes and go back to making original (preferably animated) films.
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u/defiantcross 14d ago
Disney cant even say 100M global opening for this