r/canadaleft • u/Entire-Half-2464 • 3d ago
BREAKING: In a shocking development Canada announces it will build a coalition of countries who share their values to build their economy and trade opportunities and will exclude the United States. “If the U.S. no longer wants to lead, Canada will.”
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u/gatospatagonicos 3d ago
And this coalition will continue to exploit the Global South, but now it'll be maple flavored so that's cool I guess?
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u/Hate_Manifestation 3d ago
sorry you can't afford shoes and you lost an arm in a cobalt mine eh
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u/CDN-Social-Democrat 3d ago
/u/gatospatagonicos and yourself are completely right.
I will say what I did on another post though as an additional point.
The United States of America is dying and this can't be celebrated enough.
In our lifetime and very recently we saw the empire shift from being a global hegemonic power to that of a continental hegemony.
It is now trying to solidify that position by acquiring Canada for resources, artic trade corridor, and a strategic military outpost in that region.
It wants Greenland a bit for the resources but more importantly that strategic military outpost.
It wants the Panama Canal for the global shipping/economic logistics & infrastructure.
If it can't solidify these objectives the empire is on a guaranteed trajectory to not even be a continental hegemony in time but simply a nation state amongst other nation states.
If it gets Canada than like a vampiric entity it will be replenished and we will see the U.S.A. empire 2.0
The United States of America is the heart of this Oligarch controlled Corporatocracy world.
Even with private wealth interests and the multinational business lobby going more and more post national that is still their Makkah.
As such it is also the heart of the Military–industrial complex and associated private military and security companies.
The death of this empire is huge for leftist politics.
Yes we then still have to combat the powerful predatory private wealth interests and multinational business lobby but them being post national at that point opens up potential new strategies.
These are stressful times for sure but also in this huge shift a lot is opening up and it is the time for serious work to be done on the left.
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u/BreadTime1337 2d ago
The death of this empire is huge for leftist politics.
Only if we can actually do something with the oppurtunity, things can always get worse. It's going to be hell to actually live through America collapse into fascism and unless the political left can pull it's head out of it's ass soon we'll be purged before we can organize. As things stand now I don't see the people alive now coming out ahead in this.
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u/witchriot 2d ago
Dude, there are still hundreds of US military bases around the world. The USA is eating itself but the empire isn’t dead, and Carneys a joke if he thinks they won’t push their way in
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u/aglobalvillageidiot 2d ago
If it can't solidify these objectives the empire is on a guaranteed trajectory to not even be a continental hegemony in time but simply a nation state amongst other nation states.
America is going to balkanize. The only question is how and when. No policy is going to prevent this.
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u/TheMindzai 2d ago
Agreed. Hopefully before they try annexing us or Greenland, which might end up becoming the catalyst. California is already going rogue and trying to bypass Tariffs by making their own trade deals, which I assume is probably illegal.
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u/Hate_Manifestation 2d ago
I definitely don't disagree, but what happens to the rats when the ship sinks? do you think those american corporate establishments will just stare into the sun and drown?
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u/LotsOfMaps 1d ago
They’ll just migrate to whatever new entity gives them the best courts and tax policy
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u/BananaPearly 3d ago
Too many god damn libs in here man, Carney is capitalist scum he doesn't give a fuck about workers.
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u/gatospatagonicos 3d ago
Right? The liberal nationalism on this sub/general capitalism apologia is crazy.
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u/TheMindzai 2d ago
While I don’t disagree with you, what alternative would you present given our circumstances? We have no viable party on the left and the right has bamboozled the working class into thinking they give 2 shits about them. Staring down the barrel of an unpredictable fascist neighbour that’s been threatening our sovereignty for the entirety of 2025 do you really blame the average level headed person for flocking to someone like Carney given their choices?
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u/BananaPearly 2d ago
When the political landscape feels like a choice between bad and worse, it's understandable to look for stability in establishment figures. But history shows that moderate capitalists ultimately serve the same system that breeds the crises we're facing—whether it's rising fascism, economic insecurity, or the exploitation of the Global South.
The Canadian Communist Party argues that real security doesn't come from propping up "lesser evils," but from building independent working-class power—through unions, tenant organizing, and mass movements that can actually challenge capital. The right thrives when the left limits itself to damage control.
The alternative isn't waiting for a savior in Parliament, but organizing outside it. Every strike, every eviction blockade, every workplace action proves another world is possible.
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u/bullshitfreebrowsing 2d ago
The two party system hasn't stopped Trump or Republicans in the U.S.
The concept of "harm reduction" liberal voting is fundamentally false, it begets defeatism, assumes perpetual impotence, and renounces any possibility of advancement.
Voting for liberal parties not only doesn't move the ball forward, but it actively discourages dissent and change. Why run as a Socialist if everyone is seemingly supporting liberalism? Why put the time and effort? Why even mention Socialism? Better keep hush.
The truth is that in Canada we enjoy far more political resources and political freedoms than many successful socialists could've dreamt off, yet we remain among the most pessimistic and inactive in the world.
There is zero excuse for Socialism or any Socialist organization to not be a visible, known political contender in Canada. People have no fear spouting flat earth or other totally braindead far-right conspiracy theories, they formed their own Party, what do Socialists have?
It's plain cowardice and lack of self-esteem.
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u/WandererTheStoic LET'S GET UNIONIZED 3h ago
You should look into Canada's corporations involvement in resource extraction in Latin America. They have been doing it for decades! Causing eco-genocide and the destruction of habitats for profit.
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u/Various_Fan_6811 3d ago
Using global south is just reinforcing neolib ideology btw as it was created to create slight distance from uncivilized savages which we all know how bad that is now, not something to be encouraged here unless you want more capitalist apologia.
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u/Velocity-5348 LET'S GET UNIONIZED 3d ago
Is anything about that "shocking"? The US may be dumb enough to destroy it's own empire but the "white" countries absolutely know the score, and very much don't want to stop being on top.
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u/Various_Fan_6811 3d ago
The shocking part is the open declaration of a replacement superpower, and it would be genuinely short sighted to believe the EU will fill that void. So these “white” countries do not know the score, it’s another repeat of history in which they are sleepwalking into collapse.
In other words, 请问习近平，那艘船上还有空位吗？
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u/VancouverBlonde 3d ago
I wish politicians would shut up about "values" . I wish they would focus on my interests for a change instead. I want my material well being attended to, if I want a sermon, I'll go to a church. Why are they like this? I am sick to death of being moralised by politicians. They are meant to be focusing on our material prospects, that is their job.
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u/SuddenXxdeathxx 👁 Bagged milk Truther 👁 2d ago
The guy wrote a whole shitty, liberal idealist book with "values" as the core component. We're in for quite a bit more of it sadly.
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u/revolution2049 2d ago
Because as a "good guy" liberal he can't scapegoat minorities or immigrants for your lack of material well being (that would be too conservative) and he also can't bring up inequality or class (that would be too socialistic), so he completely skirts the real issue and talks about vague abstractions like "values"
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u/Neduard 3d ago
This sub is quickly turning into a straight nationalistic liberal propaganda subreddit.
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u/Various_Fan_6811 3d ago
An upgrade to the culture war drivel you find yourself inundated with when you aren’t meandering with fascists.
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u/JimmyNatron 3d ago
Sorry Mark, I do not believe in the free and open exchange of goods and services
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u/QueueOfPancakes 2d ago
He's going "coalition of the willing". That was the most likely path he was going to pick, so definitely not "shocking". His Eurocentric bias causes him to either discount or perhaps even miss entirely many other options.
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u/VonnDooom 3d ago edited 3d ago
Canada can’t lead. It is a hollowed out economy, with zero productivity, with no military power, and no soft power. It cannot lead when the whole country is just a money laundering and fentanyl production scheme designed to pump property prices.
China will lead. It is now the global leader.
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u/-Eunha- Marxism-Leninism 2d ago
No clue why you're being downvoted. Must have been a bunch of Liberals who passed through here and got offended that you'd dare question the narrative.
If Canada was smart, we'd be making as much connections with China as possible right now. We'd read the room and realise they are the future. Of course, Carney doesn't actually care about the average working class Canadian, and is much more interested in protecting the current white hegemony.
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u/QueueOfPancakes 2d ago
China is trying to pitch itself to Western nations, advertising itself as a beacon of free trade and multilateralism. It's a bit funny. But the West has spent so long pumping out anti-China propaganda, it would be very difficult for Western leaders to walk back from that, and most of those leaders have drunk the Kool aid themselves. Carney has a big Eurocentric bias, and that's unfortunate for us.
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u/verybadcall 2d ago
it'd be good to get close to china because it'd represent at least a serious political change and would put us in contact more directly with the rest of the world outside the EU and NATO, but enhanced trade relations with china would not bring us a single step closer to socialism, here or there. also that person is being downvoted because their analysis is vacuous and the liberals aren't stupid, you can't just shock them into getting their heads on straight
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u/YaumeLepire 3d ago
Are you kidding? If one country has a disproportionate amount of soft power for its size and raw hard power, on Earth, it's Canada.
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u/VonnDooom 3d ago
What are you basing this on? You say Canada has a disproportionate amount of soft power — what are you basing this on?
And you are saying Canada has hard power? What are you basing this on?
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u/Red_Boina Fellow Traveler 3d ago
Canada lost any and all soft power it had by absolutely blowing the goodwill towards it in Latin-America and Africa at the behest of its mining corporations and US strategic interests, in Asia for the same reason when it comes to China (unforced diplomatic crisis because our liberals would rather follow anything the US tells them to do, including when Trump is in power) and with India (albeit for once its for relatively good reasons (fuck Modi).
Canada has bid twice in recent years for a UN security council temporary seat, each time it gets its ass beat by the geopolitical south.
So I'll have to agree with you. What soft power, and with whom ? The only people I can imagine are among fellow satripes and loyal sergeants of US imperialism over in Europe (and Australia/New Zealand), that's pretty much it, and it is not worth much at all.
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u/Parking-Cold-9750 3d ago
India "albeit for once it's for relatively good reasons" (fuck Modi) care to explain what this means and why you said Fuck Modi ?
Are you saying that you beleive all the CBC and Canadian Liberal propoganda ?
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u/floodingurtimeline 3d ago
You’re in a Canada left sub n think we give a shit about CBC (neolibs) and the liberal party?
Modi is a fascist fuck.
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u/Parking-Cold-9750 3d ago edited 3d ago
And how did you come to that conclusion ? Just want to understand the reason. Facists are the ones who think what they think is correct and they won't ever give any reason for what they do.
Just like how you react to my question. All I did was asked a question why do you think like that and what's the reason behind that. I just want to know the reason behind it.
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u/Aggressive-Front-677 2d ago
Modi is at the helm of, and has seen the biggest growth in numbers under his leadership, of Bhartiya Janta Party (BJP), which is a Hindu nationalist party, given birth by a Hindu nationalist paramilitary known as Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). Real Sturm Abeilung (SA) energy.
Here is a quick article on RSS and BJP and Modi that explains more: https://theconversation.com/how-narendra-modis-cult-of-personality-was-formed-by-a-powerful-hindu-nationalist-group-with-a-dark-history-225280
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u/Parking-Cold-9750 2d ago
Thats not what I was asking. But I will give u answer for that. RSS was formed against the Christian nationalists like the British, Who created the Aryan Race theory and Dravidian race theories in India. Still now the Christian nationalists in the west don't acknowledge the fact that it's them who created the Nazis by creating Aryan race theory. Even now the Christian Evangelical Missionaries trying to convert the native population in India and pushing them to go and fight and die. That is the reason why RSS was created to protect the native population and culture. Just a year ago, evangelicals did this in india and 250+ people died and a Missionary from US got caught and got deported. Thats why RSS and BJP was elected by the people of India. Because we know what Christian Missionaries have done in Countries like Canada using residential schools and all other North and South American countries.
So tell me if the natives want to protect their own culture then they will become facists for you ? Or do you even know anything about Indian history? Or are you blaming someone without any knowledge about the history? What do u know about India history and what The Missionaries did in India ? Do u have any idea about that ?
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u/Aggressive-Front-677 2d ago
What are you asking for then?
RSS literally borrowed and was influenced by ideology of Aryan supremacy and took inspiration from Christian nationalism. You're talking to someone from the subcontinent. I have the blood of the Indus running through my vein. So don't come at me with the Indigenous sovereignty argument because BJP does not represent any Indigenous movement. As a matter of fact they have been an affront to Indigenous Peoples in the subcontinent and the RSS has acted as the jackboots of colonialism is Hindu nationalism on adivasi lands.
The proto-RSS and BJP party, Hindu Mahasabha leader, B S Moonje was literally visiting and writing "love" letters to Mussolini.
Ok pretending that Modi was elected because of Christian missionaries is completely asinine. Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of Christian missionaries, but either you're woefully misinformed or purposefully sharing propaganda.
For anyone wanting to learn more, here are some easily digestible content:
Freedom From Religion Foundation, beginning at 27 min and 25 second mark: https://ffrf.libsyn.com/how-fascism-and-nazism-influenced-hindu-nationalism
For Hindi/Urdu speakers, here is Chhattisgarh Choef Minister from 5 years ago, Bhupesh Baghel, explaining the origins and parallels between RSS, Italian Fascists and BJP: https://youtu.be/4m91kPdAPxY?si=edGLHP7loRHo0ThH
The Reinvention of India's History by Govindi Dyal https://crgreview.com/the-reinvention-of-indias-history/
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u/YaumeLepire 3d ago
I'm saying Canada doesn't have much hard power. It does have some, though. Canada has a military and police forces. They may not be all that big, but that is objectively a certain amount of hard power.
Soft power, though, which is the ability of a country to influence things on the global scale without resorting to threats of violence, is largely based on a country's image abroad. It's basically a country's brand. And Canada consistently has a pretty damn good one, deserved or not. Canada's part of the G7, among other international groups, there are some important and prestigious global institutions that are based on Canadian soil, like IATA and some globally-famous universities, and Canadians have served and continue to serve in positions of import in global politics. The power of the Canadian passport is a good indicator of this, too. And all of that for a country with a pretty dinky population, compared to its contemporaries.
Canada's not that "powerful", objectively, but it has consistently punched above its weight class, when it comes to having its say on the global scene. That's what I'm basing this on.
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u/Red_Boina Fellow Traveler 3d ago
If that's your perspective of Canada's soft power you literally live 20 years in the past and are up to a very sore awakening.
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u/VonnDooom 3d ago
That is exactly correct; Yaume is living 20-30 years in the past.
Canada had Romeo Dallaire, and argued for international landmine bans in the past.
Now it gives standing ovations to nazis; foams at the mouth over Ukraine (guess what: the international community sees the hypocrisy and does NOT stand with Ukraine); toes the line on pure neoliberalism; and stands with Israel.
Canada has no soft power. It is a hollow shell of whatever it once was. It used to be capable of at least having an independent foreign policy; but Trudeau admin was literally lockstep with the Biden admin on everything. Yes, the NATO expansion, Russia-provoking, Ukraine-proxy war, Israel-supporting Biden admin.
So again: Canada is nothing today. No one respects Canada, because its behavior is not worthy of respect.
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u/QueueOfPancakes 2d ago
Canada is largely responsible for the unprecedented level of sanctions that were placed on Russia due to its actions against Ukraine. You may not agree with Canada's position, but we aren't discussing if Canada uses its soft power for good or evil, simply whether it has a disproportionate amount of soft power. And it clearly does.
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u/YaumeLepire 3d ago
Enlighten me, then. What is Canada's current place in terms of soft power?
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u/Red_Boina Fellow Traveler 3d ago
See my other comment in this post, I go through it in more details ??
But in one word its down the fucking gutter.
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u/QueueOfPancakes 2d ago
Absolutely correct. It seems people are confusing the question of if we have soft power with the question of if we use it for good. But those are very different questions.
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u/Cystonectae 2d ago
I'd rather not roll over and accept our role. Canada is relatively well placed to be a decent speaker on the world stage. Now, I'm not a history major or anything but a good portion of what makes a country become important is not exactly military power but rather research and innovation, which Canada could still choose to invest in.... We aren't at the moment but the brain drain from the US to Canada could shift that sentiment.
The biggest hurdle we have at the moment is the fact that our economy seems entirely based on an overinflated housing market. I really am not a fan of Carney or the liberal party but I was kinda hoping he would have, at the very least, made some solid plans for moving us off the ever rising housing bubble, since he has so much economic experience. I most certainly am not intelligent or experienced enough to know how we could pop that bubble without creating a massive pit of destruction.
I'm definitely not happy just letting China rule the world. Their track record with how they treat minorities leaves much to be desired.
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u/noah3302 Uphold Northernlionist-Parenti’ism 3d ago edited 2d ago
BRICS but for america’s angry ex girlfriends