My buddy said the same thing. He mains priest but was gonna go shaman because of how bad it is outside of raid, but now he's going back to priest with dual spec. I've seen some people say "lol this won't really add tanks and healers" but they're wrong. I've already seen friends change because of this.
SoD phase 1 changes alone made Prot tanks so much fun, and gave ret some actual gameplay besides auto attacking, but the Classic crowd would probably lose their minds if they actually fixed any of the classes that needed attention during classic.
An honest to god fun project in Vanilla would be to start a raiding guild that was strictly meme specs. Feral/Pally tanks, shadow priests, boomies, dps shamans, ret paladins, arcane mage, 2h arms warrior, dagger rogues - the works. I think it would be an entertaining challenge, and you'd probably need a gold tithe system so the guild could all farm flasks for the prot pallies for mana. With world buffs and halfway decent players, you could still smash all the content.
Sure, but with dual spec, leveling as ret/prot is better than holy, they can still do dungeons as holy, then go back to the open world as a non gimped class.
I literally decided to play Druid now that I can dual spec Feral & Resto, AND not have to worry about buff & debuff limits. Literally incredible change that opens up many folks to heal & tank.
I mean, for dungeon-healing or tanking from 1-59 (and some at 60), there was never a need to be a certain spec, no? Could just slap on some intgear and you are a healer if you were a pally or shaman. Druids and warriors are tanks in their levelingspec anyway and priest does fine healing as shadow.
Sure its easier with dualspec (if it even comes before level 60) but you didnt need it either. Ppl just prefer to zugzug and not have the responsability of a healer/tank.
I literally changed to priest because of dual spec. I had one last time in 2019 and rerolled warlock after I hit 60 because farming was such a pain in the ass.
your shadow spell damage restores mana to your party thanks to vampiric touch (is a new talent in tbc talent tree)
actually pretty important to have a decent spri in your 25man group.
Healing priest in vanilla can basically do nothing outside of dungeons and raids. Without someone else doing damage for you, you’re shit out of luck if you want to farm or quest.
The ability to go shadow to knock some things out and then go right back without spending mountains of gold is huge.
Priest healers are so bad in the open world that you're better off leveling an alt to 60 rather than trying to farm with a level 60 healing priest. Respecing to shadow (and back) once a week after raid to make your character playable is awful.
If you're on a pvp server... They have like... 1 winnable 1v1 matchup. Not that they're favored or anything, but literally everything else is unwinnable even if you're playing against a monkey smashing their keyboard.
In Classic I found myself just not logging on between raids, because if I wanted to go mess around and farm gold, I had to make more than 100g just to cover the respec costs.
Mage: potentially winnable if you oom the mage but you have to fake the counter spell (and imp cs can still be death).
Warlock: felhunter ruins you with it's resistances, spell pushback, and purge. And they are less oomable than a mage.
Druid: weird matchup. Fear actually works sometimes but they can kite you and have healing. Holy nova might kill them if they try to kill you in cat.
Rogue: you're cloth, you die in the opener.
Hunter: kited to death, never getting in range to even dot them.
Shaman: you stand a chance if you manage to wand the tremor down and fear them before they drop a new tremor. (Or wand it before it pulses after the fear)
Warrior: they're fear immune. If they never get any rage, you stand a tiny chance. But if the shield breaks and they get any rage, you melt as a clothie.
I quit because trying to farm Larval Acid for my Hide of the Wild was near impossible, the kills took ages and I was usually killed multiple times by other players.
I play PVP because I like to feel the world is alive and dangerous, but to lose every combat every time just is not fun.
Disc is very good at solo content. It’s slower at killing things, but there’s no downtime and you can handle more than one mob pretty much from the start.
I leveled resto sham all thru first iteration of classic and found it relatively easy, you are essentially stuck doing flameshock on your enemies with the searing totem lol but with your survivability as a healer and ability to use a one hand and shield you can pretty reliably fight 3 to 4 enemies at a time all the time. Your just autoattacking and not doing much else the entire time.
Where can I learn more about this? I’ve never heard of speccing shadow for healing dungeons. I guess go to the priest discord? Or you have some links you can share with me?
You can technically heal as shadow up to BWL if you really wanted To. I did it with vanilla and classic but if you really want to push numbers than once you hit 60 you respec to a dedicated healing spec.
It’s not a special tech, it’s just easy to heal dungeons in classic. Would 100% recommend to visit your class’ discord though for info. Priest disc is very well laid out too
You can heal as shadow, reliably, until full brd clears if you understand classic healing mechanics like the mp5 mana regen / casting interactions. If you’re having issues it’s poor mana management by not knowing that or your group being horrible.
Disc levelling so so smooth you’re always full hp safe and full mana. It’s fucking boring though lol. Bubble dot wand your way to 60
Tbh all classes can heal leveling content and even most endgame 5 mans in their leveling specs. Priest as Shadow. Shammy as enh/ele, Pally as Ret, Druid as feral. Done it all myself (I am an altoholic.) Leveling in the healer spec is, arguably, a mistake.
Hybrid shaman has an easier time leveling then Disc priest imo. There are also some, admittedly few, mail healing pieces that would ease the burden of gearing with a shorter expansion cycle.
But, holy priest heals better and shadow clears world content way faster. While shaman doesn’t really having a pure resto spec that is good. So priest can take advantage of dual spec way more.
What you should do, is go Wand specc till 40 then go shadow. Heal all you need in shadow specc, then either keep going shadow all the way to 60 or respecc heal at 55+ if you feel like you are gonna dungeon grind the last bit.
No idea why people are dumb and level in bad speccs. But people will refuse to do deadmines without a "tank" also. It is what it is.
Hey man, your mages will appreciate the fire stick you put in their general area. In fact Im sure theyll bitch everytime its not exactly where they like it on pull
The mage group gets about as much from a resto's mana tide. Maybe more. I lived the ele pain that was tbc classic the first go around, and honestly felt relieved to swap to resto in Sunwell. Only enhancement for me this time around if I play a shaman dps.
The debuff limit is also getting removed making hmmm I think it’s called nightfall ? The corruption based dot that will make shadow bolts instant sometimes will be actually useable by every lock in raid .
I mean shadow will still be a complete joke meme spec in a raid environment. I doubt raids will have enough warlocks present for shadow weaving to be some mammoth need of a debuff. Will there be raids that do have them? Yes. But I don't think that will meaningfully shift population numbers much.
They will still suck though. I played shadow and mana is a joke. Mind Flay also feels really bad, short range and no crit. In general gear upgrades feel really disappointing because almost no stats really matter/improve your DPS. I loved the class fantasy but in classic it just doesn't pan out.
It's not a dot, it's just a proc chance on each Corruption tick to give you an instant cast Shadowbolt. That being said, this talent is not even part of the highest DPS raiding spec.
DS/Ruin (highest performing spec) still does benefit from freely being able to dot stuff of course. Each to their own though, whatever people enjoy more.
I’ve always been a lock main. The main reason you’ll see more is because questing / gold farming / PvP is absolute ass with a raiding destro spec. Getting to swap between destro and affliction is going to be amazing.
Yep, i'm excited now, I can just copy my mouseover macros from SOD and go about my day as a priest. Was going to make a Warlock if Dual Spec wasn't added.
I've solo leveled disc priest twice. The first time was painful, but my second time was on SoD and the runes made it a bit more bearable. I forgot how exciting wanding things slowly to death was.
was going back and forth on my first character being a shaman lock or warrior but this made it so im 100% gonna go shaman. Rogue will be my second 60 bc rogue is always my main but im looking forward to doing endgame as something different too. and ofc having the shammy will help bigtime come tbc :)
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u/qualm03 Nov 18 '24
Instantly made it so I’m maining a priest