r/classicwow • u/Malarkiftw • Dec 25 '24
Humor / Meme Classic isnt for min maxing they said. Its not retail they said.
HUMOR/MEME post, dont get all worked up over it. Play whatever you want. Druids are fun!
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u/thisisunreal Dec 25 '24
wait til you find out if you’re not a dwarf priest they kick you
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u/Malarkiftw Dec 25 '24
Not playing alliance. Is this a thing on your side?
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u/SinAKAJayAl Dec 25 '24
Yes dwarfs have fear ward which is highly sought after
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u/Individual-Light-784 Dec 25 '24
why do people sweat this 20yo game so much, you could literally clear all content naked 😂
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u/MeatyOakerGuy Dec 25 '24
"You could clear all content naked".... until you join pugs that wipe and wipe and wipe.
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u/Poseidor Dec 25 '24
Because they want to clear it in 30 minutes and not 2 hours
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u/Unable_Recipe8565 Dec 25 '24
Clear it in 30 min so they can log out again and not play the game, Classic player logic
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u/Ok_Mix_7126 Dec 25 '24
What a turnaround it has been. From 2006's Make Love Not Warcraft's "look how sweaty these nerds are, they just play WOW all day!" to 2024 r/classicwow's "look how sweaty these nerds are, they hardly play WOW at all!"
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u/Nokrai Dec 26 '24
Except the people who clear in 30 minutes still spend more time in the game than those who clear in 2 hours.
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u/Fourward27 Dec 25 '24
30 minute clear and done for the week. How fun.
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u/Carpenter-Broad Dec 25 '24
Nobody hates playing WoW quite like people who play WoW 😎
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u/Poseidor Dec 25 '24
If you can clear a raid in 30 mins it means you can just spend your 3 hour raid night doing multiple raids instead of struggling through one for most of that time.
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u/Fourward27 Dec 25 '24
I get it. I've learned after trying to get to 60 again that I'm just done with classic and that's fine. I played in 2019 and that was enough nostalgia for me. I don't understand trying to meta comp 20 year old solved unbalanced content. I am the guy that would rather challenge myself in doing it naked 2 hours time.
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u/Poseidor Dec 25 '24
That's fine, I'm just explaining why people get sweaty in raids. Play however you want
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u/Fourward27 Dec 26 '24
Yea I guess I just can't wrap my head around it because I find it bizarre. You have to try to die in MC.
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u/brightbomb Dec 25 '24
Paying a sub to play the game less, brilliant.
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u/husky430 Dec 25 '24
For a large amount of Classic players, they buy the game, pay a subscription, buy gold, pay someone to boost them while they sit AFK, buy more gold for GDKP (or the current variations), get fully geared, then sit in Stormwind. Then it's time for an alt, and the process starts all over.
All that money sunk into a game so that you don't have to play it.
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u/Poseidor Dec 25 '24
Some people enjoy the game outside of just doing raids and want to do it efficiently so they don't spend 3 hours wiping to Ragnaros. Idk why people get so offended by that
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u/Ill-Resolution-4671 Dec 25 '24
Its a vast difference between wiping to rag for three hours and not taking druid healers and pnly taking dward priests (just examples from above). Bring competent peoplr and you dont wipe
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u/Ill-Resolution-4671 Dec 25 '24
They want to clear it in 30 minutes, not 60 maybe. Also, they dont want to actually play the game. Insane logic by the sweaters to be honest
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u/mezz1945 Dec 25 '24
Because it's fun to minmax. Most of us already had the chillout playthrough. So many people play Classic for the 3rd or 4th time now. Private Server players even more.
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u/Malarkiftw Dec 25 '24
I knew that bout dwarfs but didnt think the mentality was this tryhard by now…
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u/SinAKAJayAl Dec 25 '24
I only play on HC so we just take whoever isnt dead - i can imagine the normal servers are min/maxing dystopia
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u/mikemckin Dec 25 '24
Playing hc and not playing dwarf priest feels like a bigger grief? Like fear ward saves Hella lives
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u/Squidimus Dec 25 '24
But shadowmeld has saved my life. Was layer switched while questing and all the patrols I had meticulously cleared all spawned back.
Was able to shadowmeld to wait for my chance to Swiftness potion out.
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u/TheLucidChiba Dec 25 '24
Yeah this, my dumb adhd ass needs to have it around for when I get the urge to look something up in the middle of a cave.
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u/eanie_beanie Dec 25 '24
But shadowmeld
It's an amazing ability in so many contexts but I think the NE stereotype keeps people from being honest
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u/Wolf-Rayet-Wrangler Dec 25 '24
As a Horde player in SoD (where all priests get all racials) it's actually insane how many raid mechanics are basically trivialized by Fear Ward on the tank.
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u/SugarCrisp7 Dec 25 '24
They'll take you.. but if a dwarf priest comes along they'll kick you for that priest
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u/Kioz Dec 25 '24
Its overexaggerated. They dont kick you for not being Dwarf lol
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u/Carpenter-Broad Dec 25 '24
The whole “you must be this meta race/ class combo” thing is so overblown it’s ridiculous. It’s basically a reddit/ forum phenomenon that makes it seem like it’s the prevailing, widespread attitude. Just like the “always need on every BoE” thing. With the meta class/ race thing- unless you’re a top tier player, in one of the sweatiest guilds on your server, it’s just not going to matter.
And I know I know- everyone thinks they’re one of those players, but most people are not. You’ll be much happier, and much more likely to actually hit 60 and keep playing, if you like looking at your toon every time you log in. So play whatever race you like, at the end of the day none of the racials are so game breakingly necessary that the other races aren’t viable.
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u/Carpenter-Broad Dec 25 '24
Yea it’s part of the “terminally online” problem prevalent in many subs and forums throughout the internet. The truth is that we who are here are a small minority of the playerbase, even the most casual of us is still probably “semi- casual” in the actual game community.
Most players don’t come to Reddit and forums, they don’t worry about what race is the “meta” pick for the class they want, they don’t sit around looking at logs and strats. They just pick the race they think is cool looking, the class they like the fantasy of ( am I a wizard or a warrior, an assassin or a ranger?) and then they play the game.
And I relate so much to your experience- in 2019 the guild I was in (we’re still going strong on Cata, progressed this whole time through the Xpacs) ran a Boomkin, a couple Ferals, several Ele Shammies, quite a few locks and a couple Spriests. We had the whole gamut of races/ classes/ specs. Hell we had a bear tank at several points, they were one of two consistent tanks for a bit. Everything from MC to Naxx got cleared.
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u/LadyDalama Dec 25 '24 edited Dec 25 '24
I'd say Classic is almost MORE about min maxxing than retail is.
Basically the entire endgame of Classic is just minmaxxing for 10 more DPS because you have nothing else to do.
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u/ferevon Dec 25 '24
Every class is extremely easy and class balance is extremely bad. Yeah it's far easier to min max.
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u/ravenmagus Dec 25 '24
It's mainly because of terrible class balance.
In retail you can argue that some class is 10% too good and some other class is 10% too bad, but for the most part each spec is on even grounds.
But in classic you have warriors which are just 200% better than every other class in the game, so of course people are going to want to bring warriors over anyone else.
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u/Glupscher Dec 25 '24
Min-maxing in PvE is just way more accessible in Classic. Gear, world buffs, group comps and crit luck determine 95% of your DPS. Even a terrible player can feel very powerful. In retail a ton of your damage is determined by your skill. And that's exactly why people love Classic. Not everything has to be deeply skill-based.
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u/valmian Dec 25 '24
Gear, world buffs, group comps and crit luck determine 95% of your DPS.
I'd argue that makes classic less accessible to the average player. You die in a raid? There goes your damage for the night. You aren't in a WF group? Have fun sundering. You're the only lock in a raid? CoR duty for you.
I think there is a big difference between a game be accessible and ability to perform well in a game.
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u/dreverythinggonnabe Dec 25 '24
The fact that the gameplay choices you can make at character creation can just make you unviable at endgame outside of being a buff bitch should immediately quell all arguments about "accessibility"
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u/dreverythinggonnabe Dec 25 '24
When I want to play a game that's not heavily skill demanding, I don't go out of my way to minmax it. People like this flock to classic *because* they're too bad to succeed at any other skill-based game but still want to feel like they're skillful
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u/Glupscher Dec 25 '24
I mean there are people who min-max Pokemon. There are people who min-max Diablo 2. Are those games terribly skill-based? Do those people just min-max those games because they are too bad to play other skill-based games?
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u/RecognitionFew119 Dec 26 '24
Hell right now I'm trying to min max my diablo 1 warrior. Already strong enough to finish the game, but that's not stopping me looking for an extra percent damage roll on my weapon.
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u/Roguste Dec 25 '24
That’s quite the projection.
It’s fair to say wow, like all games, have sweats that are actually good and others that aren’t. It’s wrong to project the good ones have no other avenues of pushing rank. Our classic raiding guild had plenty of top rank players in other modern games - retail and non wow games.
Another point you’re skipping - those casual games you reference often have plenty of rewards within those casual spaces.
What are the rewards in vanilla?
At end game it’s predominantly gear or rep gated things.
You can casually go for the rep farms, quest lines etc but there’s nothing of the sorts to retails 20th anniversary BRD event rewards. But if you go for gear in classic there’s a significant scarcity. I can understand the need to differentiate yourself.
I don’t go for that anymore but I don’t need to validate myself but assuming all of them are complete gaming shitters lol. In all my years of wow if you wanted to non min max go find the active guilds that are like minded and you can ignore the others. Not rocket science.
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u/Temniz Dec 25 '24
I'm leveling a druid now ;_;
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u/grannygumjobs23 Dec 25 '24
If it makes you feel better, reddit isn't real life. I main druid and have tanked,healed, and been dps for all the dungeons so far. Never had any issue finding a group.
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u/Vadernoso Dec 26 '24
Part of the issue is fighting other druids for the sole druid spot in the raid.
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u/Saintly-Mendicant-69 Dec 26 '24
Leveled a druid to 60, it was a blast. Enjoy the rain of loot and never waiting for a group invite. Druid bear tank is the goat.
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u/NuklearFerret Dec 25 '24
Me too! Feral is good enough for anything I’m likely to do, but the itemization is awful on raid sets. I doubt I’ll be doing anything serious with it before TBC, where they introduced proper feral sticks.
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u/Cajiabox Dec 25 '24
at 60 is even worse than retail lol
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u/kindredfan Dec 25 '24
Honestly. Who ever said retail is about min maxing? It's literally the most casual wow gameplay that exists unless you're racing for world first.
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u/biginchh Dec 25 '24
Yeah, unless you're really trying to be the best of the best you can basically play whatever you want in retail and nobody will bat an eye because, even though there is always a meta, things are closely balanced enough to where a good player will shine on any class.
The biggest issue with Classic IMO is that it's so horribly balanced that it sorta makes it impossible to not play the super specific meta you see so often. Sure, you could bring a ret paladin or feral druid to your raid and you'll clear just fine , but even if they're amazing players they'll still do half the dps of any of the dozens of mediocre warriors looking for a guild - so why would you ever take them?
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u/Nornamor Dec 25 '24
half.. lmao.. feral yes, if they mcp, powershift and use mana pot.. ret can only dream to do a forth of the damage of a warrior.
Just want to really put it out there how fucked the balance is.
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u/LuchadorBane Dec 25 '24
Maybe race wise but class wise nah. If you’re pushing high keys people will absolutely prefer meta classes to non. Even as a survival hunter which aren’t bottom of the barrel but not top of the meta I still struggled finding groups to take me.
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u/HugeRection Dec 25 '24
It's worse cause you had shit like shaman completely trivialize the season affix in S1.
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u/spacebob42 Dec 25 '24
Disagree, ferals may not get into the 30-warrior speedrun comp, but a great feral is a huge asset to a mid-tier or lower guild. Swapping OT/dps, emergency heals and brez, some itemization help. Plus let's not forget a feral dps will be online more than your average raider to farm MCP and that's an asset to your guild dynamics all on its own.
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Dec 25 '24
If you're dedicated enough to the game to farm MCP you'd be a huge asset to a lower guild on literally any spec.
also if you're thst dedicated you may as well be playing a better class
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u/Acopo Dec 25 '24
That level of dedication always comes from a place of passion though. If they’re passionate about playing druid, that commitment won’t just transfer over to another class.
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u/Carpenter-Broad Dec 25 '24
Yea this is an often- forgotten point, and it ties into another reason why you should play whatever race/ class combo you want regardless of what’s a bit better- if you actually like the way your toon looks, you’re much more likely to make 60 and keep playing and raiding after you do. It’s not something you can easily quantify, but I know tons of people who just cannot get excited or committed to a toon that they hate to look at.
So people play Tauren Hunters, Troll/ Nelf Priests, Forsaken Warriors, and all the rest. And people play “non meta” specs like Boomkin, Ele Sham, Spriest, they dual wield Fury right at level 20 on a Warrior and crusade as Ret. Cause it’s fun for them, it fits their class fantasy and the “vision” they have for their toon, and they’re passionate about it. And I’ll take an excited, engaged and happy off- meta player over some bored and annoyed meta players who feels forced to play a certain way any day.
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u/SolarianXIII Dec 25 '24
druid mains are dedicated, they were ready do that degen shit with trollsblood potion and flowerweave or whatever
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u/8ackwoods Dec 25 '24
I'd say sod is
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u/valmian Dec 25 '24
Nah in SOD there are still world buffs and stacking consumes, plus loot lockouts which lead to stagnant progression if you are unlucky.
In retail the most common consume you get is a flask, which is very cheap, maybe some pots. There are no world buffs, and you can farm M+ to get max item level gear (and customize it). You can also do solo content to get BiS gear (although slowly).
Retail is definitely the most casual friendly, but also the hardest/sweatiest if you want to min max fast.
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u/Chickenbeans__ Dec 25 '24
You can get very good baseline gear from a week of grinding bgs
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u/valmian Dec 25 '24
I wouldn't say grinding a single form of content for a week is very casual lol.
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u/NauticalMobster Dec 25 '24
Lowest skill floor. Highest skill cieling. Retail wont demand much from you.... unless you make it. Retail accessibility is amazing and it will continue to challenge you as you grow with the game.
Classic has a skill floor.... but once you get over it? Its all time investment rather than player skill. Its a game knowledge game. And thats why its so great for an old game. Always more things to learn.
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u/Lordwiesy Dec 25 '24
Unless a spec is complete trash then you can do most stuff (normal, heroic raid, quite high m+) with anything.
If you're pushing high keys/mythic raids then you kinda have to min max yeah
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u/HugeRection Dec 25 '24
Unless a spec is complete trash then you can do most stuff (normal, heroic raid, quite high m+) with anything.
Okay and the same goes for classic. But if you're not the meta class, you're going to find it takes significantly longer to do anything.
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u/Lordwiesy Dec 25 '24
Except the elitism in classic lives in lower forms of content
God save you if you try to do anything other than pvp as retri
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u/Nornamor Dec 25 '24
reality is that if you're not a meta m+ class it's tripple the time investment to get rating.... and pushing rateing is a slow process once your past the state where you do trivial keys... with noone inviting you to their keys you have to run your own witch had all these inneficciencies:
- incresed number of honework keys as every bricked key becomes homework.
- Getting the right key is much harder and up to rng.
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u/Smooth_One Dec 25 '24
For getting into groups, yea. Which makes sense because it's not that the content is hard, it's that it's easy so people don't want it to take forever. I think most Classic players are ok with content being either easy OR slow, but not both.
But once you get into the group, Retail can be much much more minmaxy. The skill floor is incredibly high compared to Classic and since M+ has limitless scaling the ceiling is infinitely high.
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u/psivenn Dec 25 '24
Wife wound up tanking most dungeons on her druid because nobody seemed to need a healer and the tanks we did get were pretty terrible. She's the type to avoid questing and spam dungeons as resto so it was a funny experience.
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u/nichijouuuu Dec 25 '24
Always wanted to try that leveling approach, but now there’s two issues: 1. 24 hour dungeon lockout 2. Didn’t want every npc in every zone to have exclamations showing they have available quests for me, at 60, because I skipped them all at low levels.
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u/Square-Comfort-1192 Dec 25 '24
But the exclamation marks don't show if you've outleveled the quest?
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u/CommonSenseFunCtrl Dec 25 '24
I thought they got rid of the 24 hour lockout, kept the 5 in an hour though
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u/FamouzLtd Dec 25 '24
I know this is a meme post but yeah. Classic is so easy and grindy that a lot of the fun is the min maxing for a lot of people. From my experience wow classic sm runs are already more minmaxed than even heroic raids in retail lmao
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u/HoodieNinja17 Dec 25 '24
Community always ruins classic
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u/Content-Fee-8856 Dec 25 '24
Was super stoked, now I'm 60 and I honestly just don't want to play because I have to play with other people.
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u/ravens52 Dec 25 '24
Sod is still here and you can play anything and it’s viable and people don’t turn you away for it. The community is way healthier.
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u/lalafeldoidao Dec 25 '24
Im leaveling a druid 43 now 😞😞😞
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u/DeltaOscarGolfEcho Dec 25 '24
Don't listen to this man. This is the try hard part of the release. Once the more casual playerbase get 60 everyone will need enough bodies to make a raid before they can optimise for anything else.
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u/SparkFlash98 Dec 25 '24
Actually a really good point, the people already are 60 ARE the minmaxxers mostly
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u/DeltaOscarGolfEcho Dec 25 '24
Also, PvP opening soon. Druids are the King's if played well.
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u/SparkFlash98 Dec 25 '24
I didn't realize pvp was an added thing lol, shows how little I play it
Glad I finally locked in on a druid tank for fresh
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u/DeltaOscarGolfEcho Dec 25 '24
BGs specifically. You can pvp currently. Forced on PVP Realms, you can enable it on PVE. I think there's going to be a designated open world PvP area for all Realms on p2 release too.
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u/Jakcris10 Dec 25 '24
Even so. People on Reddit are far more concerned with optimisation than anyone I’ve seen in game.
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u/DeltaOscarGolfEcho Dec 25 '24
Yeah. You tend to find that in communities. As if you are reading up extra information it's usually because you want to be able to have an edge over the majority so you just get a very narrow experience of the actual community as a whole.
If playing Classic was anything like reddit makes it out to be I'd have quit because the juice isn't worth the squeeze if I'm having to deal with concentrated elitism and Gatekeeping. And that tends to be true of most reddit communities.
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Dec 25 '24
It’s the same with DND, and you end up with people who have never had the chance to play thinking half the classes are “so broken they’re unplayable” when in reality the classes are more about flavor than anything else.
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u/lalafeldoidao Dec 25 '24
Hope so man. Druid is my fav class but looks like all people here hate druid.
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u/Foamie Dec 25 '24
In raid Druid is fine, you’ll find some spot just to make sure the raid has faerie fire and mark of the wild.
In 5 mans I discriminate against healing druids heavily because they can’t res anyone without using a reagent and cooldown and they can’t dispel magic, if you are horde its not as bad since you might have a shaman in your party but on alliance there is 0% chance most groups are going to be bringing a ret paladin for anything. You probably are going to want to make friends with another hybrid or a shadowpriest and run a lot of dungeons with them.
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u/DeltaOscarGolfEcho Dec 25 '24 edited Dec 25 '24
One the fastest speed runs even has 1 feral and 1-2 resto.
Edit: last reset
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u/datboiharambe69 Dec 25 '24
Can't find the run you're talking about. All of the top runs seem to only have a single druid (resto) in the raid.
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u/Rollewurst Dec 25 '24
Druids are great healers in raids. Good amount of heal, bres, innervate, just very nice to have. Our best druid healer gave me (hpriest) a run for my money in naxx. They are just unpopular in dungeons because no real res.
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u/OutrageousFanny Dec 25 '24
Not having regular res is a huge problem tbh
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u/OverfedIRL Dec 25 '24
Thats when you go hardcore instead, where all resses are equally shit.
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u/nichijouuuu Dec 25 '24
Yes so you have no emergency bubbles AND no res AND can’t even do PvP battlegrounds where Druids are actually decent at something lol
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u/agentfisherUK Dec 25 '24
The whole spell cleave melee cleave is what was the last straw for me as a rogue lol
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u/Amplify_Magic Dec 25 '24
One of the biggest reasons I enjoy SoD. Any spec is good and viable. Priest racial skills also don't matter so play whatever priest race you want and so on. Vanilla for sure has it's charm, but you really do need to think what spec you want to play in todays classic wow, as a lot of guilds are min-maxing for no reason.
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u/Real-Discipline-4754 Dec 25 '24
A lot of pple say that classic is king of casual, but ama be honest retail is a lot more casual friendly
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u/Mocca_Master Dec 25 '24
Classic may have a higher barrier to entry for casual play, but the ceiling in retail is astronomically higher
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Dec 25 '24
Its casual friendly in the sense things are intuitive, you dont have to put massive planning into QOL stuff like traveling 30 minutes to turn in a quest. But dungeons in retail have multiple spells and stars. Classic wow, you down the biggest bosses by just spamming the frostbolt key.
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u/pecheckler Dec 25 '24
In the two Molten core + onyx is runs I’ve done so far ive seen the sole Druid each time walk away with 6+ pieces of gear. One of those times we had 39 players looking for a Druid for almost an hour.
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u/esailu Dec 25 '24
You need 1x druid for motw/faerie. With buff cap removed druids are really good tbh, before u just were stuck HTing, but being able to spam hots is huge. Though still just 1-2 per raid
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u/DanHazard Dec 25 '24
Is meme but idk why anyone ever thinks classic will be any different than it is every time.
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u/Zak_Preston Dec 25 '24
Druids are the weakest healers, and they have no regular res. The only upside is that Dr00ds are quite underrepresented, so getting your T1/T2 set should be trivial.
P.S. This is me actually: I picked dr00d heal this time around :)
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u/kj0509 Dec 25 '24
I will play a feral druid dps and i don't care. You just need to find a casual guild instead of those tryhards that care about killing the boss 5 seconds quicker (thats the only difference that 1 Warrior does over a feral dps).
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u/Malarkiftw Dec 25 '24
Good luck. Impossible right now. Hope it gets better once more ppl get to 60.
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u/AbsoluteLunchbox Dec 25 '24
I'm slow rolling for that reason, got 4 chars I'm building to 60. I've no interest in raiding with the super try hards.
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u/RedRayBae Dec 25 '24
This.
Right now the people that are 60nand raiding are the tryhards.
By the time the majority of the playerbase, including the casuals, hit 60 and get attuned all the try hards will either be burnt out, or out geared.
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Dec 25 '24
Lmao, don't listen to any of these trash comments. There might be the occasional asshole who cares about meta over everything. Difference between classic and retail in this regard, we know all the answers to classic, human warrior, drwaf priest, yudda yudda... not many people really give a shit about it, though.
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u/Interesting-Fruit-82 Dec 25 '24
Classic dies after you have finished levelling. Only good thing about classic.
Rest is bad, unless you have chosen one lf the very few good classes.
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u/dagon_lvl_5 Dec 25 '24
Yes sir. I honestly enjoy leveling in classic the most, and I want to do it while there are still people playing in my zones and not just raidlogging. I'll probably ditch my character once I ding 60 until TBC comes.
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u/7figureipo Dec 25 '24
“Rest is bad” depends strongly on the community and the people you run with. The former is a lost cause: it’s a bunch of toxic minmaxers who mistake rng luck playing an imbalanced class for their own skill. The latter is something you choose.
I’ve run, and been in, raids where non-meta classes were the majority. They weren’t speed runs. But they weren’t 3 hour MC wipe-fests either. The endgame is playable with almost any reasonable composition of the raid. And “reasonable” extends far beyond the meta classes builds.
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u/Ryuksapple Dec 25 '24
People have this weird idea of either you clear quick and clean but only with meta raid comp or you run off meta and spend hours wiping to get through MC. The raiding content in classic is so simple that you can bring whatever you want to a raid and clear it without wiping. It’ll be slightly slower yes but not like multiple hours slower
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u/7figureipo Dec 25 '24
Exactly. The last go, the 2019 release, I tanked in raids as a prot pally through a bit of Naxx. PUG’d raids with more Druids than priests healing, and some with Druids tanking bosses, too, etc. People are just locked in to meta composition and too ignorant or stubborn to even consider anything else. It’s pretty dumb for a 20 year old game
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u/CodeCrispTTV Dec 25 '24
What are the "good" classes?
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u/DeltaOscarGolfEcho Dec 25 '24
War, priest, mage.
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u/Shumuu Dec 25 '24
Also in Raids you want Paladin and Shaman. So they will get a spot because of the amazing utility
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u/DeltaOscarGolfEcho Dec 25 '24
You also want a druid, ideally one without CD on FF.
They just make the "good classes" better.
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u/Sad_Selection_477 Dec 25 '24
And a warlock atleast you will get easy tier set when you play lock or druid
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u/iDangerousX Dec 25 '24
TBH most classes are good. Druids are just kinda memey because they’re a hybrid class that is the best at literally nothing and barely mediocre in most of its roles.
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u/DogEggz Dec 25 '24
I wouldn't said bear tank is bearly mediocre. It's quite viable.
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u/Alone_Judgment_7763 Dec 25 '24
It’s not good for crazy speedruns but 95% of the playerbase could raid with a bear tank without problems
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u/ziggazang Dec 25 '24
It's great in dungeons imo. And you should be able to gear it fairly easily for heals and tanking with all the leather that drops.
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u/iDangerousX Dec 25 '24
Bear tank is Druid’s most viable role, and it’s just not better than warrior.
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u/Pietro_ich Dec 25 '24
There should always be atleast 1 druid in raid, combat ress is mandatory
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u/RoyalWe666 Dec 25 '24
While leveling, sure, it's the better game and a zen experience. But if you expected people to get to 60 and play the endgame like it's 2004, I don't know what to tell you.
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u/Kellvas0 Dec 25 '24
Join a casual raiding guild and gasp engage with your guildmates. (I'll wash my dirty mouth with soap later)
The PUG guilds and groups will always ALWAYS prioritize the meta specs over nonmeta because it makes the game (even) easier.
You don't need to be friends with all 40+ of your guildies but being asocial and complaining about how the game isn't balanced is the real clown take.
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u/Abyssgazing89 Dec 25 '24
Everyone in this thread complaining about priest healers not realizing how broken OP flash of light is.
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u/ProfessionalRush6681 Dec 25 '24
The sad truth is that this hasn't a whole lot to do with the retail game "influence", it is all games.
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u/Br0keNw0n Dec 25 '24
As a priest who just wanted to heal traditional dungeon groups, I have been very disappointed this goaround
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u/ThePinga Dec 25 '24
Raiding is still very fresh. Wait till bwl and people start quitting. Recruitment is constant and roster spots are always opening up. By naxx you just need a pulse and people will take you to fill out 40
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u/Tordenskrall Dec 25 '24
I don't care what anyone says, i'm leveling a druid because i love the class. If you die in a group where i'm healing you did something wrong and it's your own damn fault.
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u/PanicAK Dec 25 '24
Being the token resto druid in your guild raid group is actually a pretty sweet spot to be.
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u/poopgoblinz Dec 25 '24
People will queue for an extra 20 min to get 4 ravager warriors or 4 mages instead of just taking some someone who's ready to play right now
Also the 4 ravager groups fucking suck yall. Just play the game
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u/No_Zucchini_7749 Dec 25 '24
“Sir, we clear MC in 30 minutes. If it took us 45 minutes, why would we even play the game?”
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u/CatDog1337 Dec 25 '24
Leveling a priest is some of the worst pain I ever felt
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u/DropkickBirthday Dec 25 '24
The part where you DoT and wand while watching Netflix or the part where you get auto invited to any spellcleave? Imo Priest is one of the easiest classes to level.
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u/CatDog1337 Dec 25 '24
The latter may be a plus but the first one is boring af. Leveled almost all classes to 30 and priest was the worst. Easy spellcleave gives be hope tho.
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u/IIIlllIIllIll Dec 25 '24
I priest leveling is so comfy and with dual spec you can go shadow and really start to destroy folk in pvp while questing.
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u/egotisticalstoic Dec 25 '24
Who says this? Balance between retail and classic is night and day. You can take any spec in retail, while classic has always had S-tier specs and trash specs.
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u/hmmstocker Dec 25 '24
is this worse on pvp realm? Feels like that?
on PVE its more casual and all kind of groups I feel like.
Altough many healers so on my shaman I have dpsed every dungeon so far since its been easier to find a healer than dps sometimes, wierd :D
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u/TheArsenal7 Dec 25 '24
Why do these people min max in a 20 year old game? I hate this min maxing plague that’s taken over all gaming it kills the fun.
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u/Parking-Draw-8001 Dec 25 '24
Druids are fine, just make sure you bring a shaman DPS with you for strat living/ud lol
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u/gl0Ppy Dec 25 '24
I mean, the game is not balanced at all, which means if you want to min-max, it is way more impactful (in terms of raw numbers) than in any other version of the game. On the other hand, the game is extremely easy, so min-maxing essentially does nothing anyway.
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u/Sathsong89 Dec 25 '24
I just run my own groups and have fun. The “spellcleave” shit is hilarious. Bunch of retailers trying out classic.
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Dec 25 '24
I dunno, i practically got free stuff from my raiding guild because i was the only healing Druid in the raid. It was awesome.
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u/hearse223 Dec 25 '24
Leveling a druid to 60 just so some dick head can scream at you to decurse them That's your job apparently.
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u/gisten Dec 25 '24
I’ve had such a good experience in hardcore as a hybrid DPS, it really changes the meta with people being focused on chance of survival instead of clear speed. The only downside is the hybrid healers might suffer a bit.
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u/20milliondollarapi Dec 25 '24
Makes me wonder. Are all the people who claim classic isn’t toxic are the people playing what’s meta?
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u/soundprankster Dec 25 '24
Classic min maxing and gatekeeping is literally the same as on retail, only difference is, in classic you don't need hands nor brain to play your class and do dungeons/raids
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u/DarthArcanus Dec 25 '24
I love inviting druids. No competition for me and my priest friend for gear _^
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u/unoriginal1187 Dec 25 '24
Im trying new things so have a priest and pally im slowly leveling and the priest gets groups faster 😂 figure if i find a guild with a late enough raid time I’ll ask what 60 would be better
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u/xBladesong Dec 25 '24
modern gamers min/max, has nothing to do with the game. Like you can jump into some random farming sin game and you’d get meta posts about optimizing yields with X, Y , Z setup and everyone’s farms look identical.
not sure who was expecting anything different tho
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u/Any_Mud872 Dec 25 '24
Not even 30 minutes into launch, a friend: "lol /tar that name"
Target was already level 10 and we're still wondering what happened because let's take into account the 2 main factors: Valley of Trials was overcrowded, that means good luck targeting mobs and walking itself is time consuming. Maybe a side deal for streamers' early access?
5th day: level 47, basically full blue equipment followed by a 48 one running in Orgrimmar, couldn't inspect the latter in time. Other examples could be written, keep in mind that it's a fresh realm.
Two days ago, one month since release and 10 days since MC opening: T1 orc warlock on purple skeletal warhorse, dude hit the jackpot.
Some players already went back to SoD or Retail because:
— What if you messed up trying a new class this time and you can't stand it? With a normal pace including a job and real life stuff it would take weeks to reroll while doing the same chores over and over again.
— Getting low level dungeons is getting hard due to elitism even for a RFK run, that added to low to mid level being less and less...in a month.
— The AH is a mess.
— Raw Vanilla without any improvements feels a chore for some classes considering the actual pace of the realm moving toward content and phases being hastened.
— Let's suppose a dude or a dudette decides to go full sweaty into this adventure...what if Classic+ happens and Anniversary becomes a wasteland?
There's more, not willing to continue right now.
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