r/classicwow • u/MarineQueefPrime • Feb 03 '25
Humor / Meme Grouping with the hero class
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u/imaUPSdriver Feb 03 '25
The bar for mages is so low. If you use other spells besides blizzard you’re already top 70%
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Feb 04 '25
I had a mage insta decurse me in a dungeon
Insane how impressed I was
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u/Invoqwer Feb 04 '25
A priest once dispelled faerie fire from my rogue in WSG without being asked
I was in awe
(The bar is that low)
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u/PurpleSunCraze Feb 04 '25 edited Feb 04 '25
As a priest I run add-ons that both audibly and visually tell me when I need to cure magic/disease, I wasn’t aware that other priests didn’t.
/I don’t always actually respond to them, especially with something that limits movement, for example. You’re ranged DPS, you don’t need to move.
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u/FizbandEntilus Feb 05 '25
Same. I was honestly blown away when the mage was quicker dispelling then me.
Then once he realized I was going to do it, he stopped entirely…🙄
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u/decay_cabaret Feb 05 '25
Apparently other people either don't, or don't give a shit. I run Healium on my SoD mage Arcane DPS/Healer and one of my runes turns Remove Curse into Remove Greater Curse which will take away stuff like polymorph, root, etc. And it lets me cast frost and fire wards, as well as Mana Shield on other players. It basically turns me into a MoP era Discipline Priest (bubble, decurse/dispel, and mostly DPS when not having to throw out the occasional heal)... The main difference being that the bubble chews through mana until mid 30s in arcane when you get the 50% less mana for mana shield talent. But yeah, I'm forever being cheered on in pve and pvp anytime I dispel a negative effect on another player like I'm some kind of unicorn.
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u/TwoSlicePepperoni Feb 04 '25
I run healbot on all my classes for mouse over for all that friendly targeting fun stuff often forgot about by your average casual. Nothing more annoying than seeing curse indicators on friendlies and your mage being completely unaware likely because they’re using vanilla UI/dont have solid addons
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u/P1mK0ssible Feb 04 '25
That one is really easy though. I legit forget sometimes I can decurse as a Mage if I happen to not install decursive lmao....
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Feb 04 '25
Most mages forget which is why I was impressed
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u/Puzzleheaded_Fix594 Feb 04 '25
That just means they've played healer. Biggest thing that keeps me from decursing on my mage is whether or not I'm oom.
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u/decay_cabaret Feb 05 '25
Lol... Dude I legit laughed out loud. I play SoD, and one of my runes makes my decurse even more powerful because it not only removes 1 curse, but "1 additional magic effect" so I put it on my healium bar and anytime someone in my party is able to have something dispelled off them, it plays a sound and puts a blue outline on the spell icon on that players bar. So I make it a point to decurse anytime the sound goes off because I'm like a kid with a new toy.
The reason that made me laugh was I've had multiple dungeon runs where people actually freak out and act like I'm some kind of amazing mythical creature just because I used Remove Greater Curse on them. Oh, that and when I see mob about to cast a fire or frost spell on the tank I'll throw the appropriate ward on them (that's another thing the rune does; lets me mana shield and ward other players)
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u/yeahwhoknowsidk Feb 03 '25
the bar is subterranean. If you're not one of those gold farming "sirs" you're pretty much a god regardless of the spells you use
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u/krulp Feb 04 '25
Idk. some of the strath and mara boosters had really mastered those pulls
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u/newebay Feb 04 '25
people undersell how long it takes to learn the mara 300+ pulls and even SM cath after the fountain pathing fix is tricky
And they're easily top 1% players if they can do the LBRS pulls
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u/Organic_Extension414 Feb 04 '25
I haven't played mage since classic TBC, did they remove the ability to jump up and down the little ledge on the lower half of Cath?
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u/Patience-Due Feb 04 '25
Except half that shit is a bot script now, and watch them try to do anything else cause they are one trick pony af
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u/decay_cabaret Feb 05 '25
My dude... So many players don't even understand basic ass LoS pulling these days. It's ridiculous.
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u/lmay0000 Feb 04 '25
The bar is even sub leyendel, if you even look at your keyboard youre pretty much a god regardless of the spells you use
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u/Fit-Percentage-9166 Feb 04 '25
If the only spell you use is Blizzard you're already top 90%.
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u/SayRaySF Feb 04 '25
I mean of course blizzard is going to name the best spell in the game after themselves
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u/garlicroastedpotato Feb 04 '25
I thought it was wild. If you are taking on more than two mobs blizzard is your highest DPS spell. All the while a warlock rain of fire becomes higher damage than dot spamming after.... seven mobs.
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u/BdoGadget01 Feb 04 '25
LOL. Literally vanilla and TBC its either blizzard or lance into nova that doesnt break.
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u/Stahlwisser Feb 04 '25
Bro, I recently am spamming AV and i found myself being happy when a mage buffs me. The bar is arpund the core of the earth
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u/Gief_Cookies Feb 04 '25
The bar is low.
The local bar is low because they only drink their self crafted beer, they only ever think of themselves.
Their mana bar is low. Do you see their mana? What are they supposed to do for you?3
Feb 04 '25
I once had a mage give me 10 water as the healer for a full brd. He was top tier in my books.
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u/MrDLTE3 Feb 04 '25
Big true. The quality of mages has gone down the toilet so much it's insane. Why are mages blizzarding a pack of TWO mobs?
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u/PossibilityOk782 Feb 04 '25
Blizzarding 2 mobs is more dps if they both take the full duration, also the slow is nice for runners and such
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u/Catchdown Feb 04 '25
when you hit clearcast you want to max rank blizzard 2 mobs in a dungeon. Very good for mana conservation.
Otherwise, blizzarding 2 mobs is more or about the same DPS as frostbolt if your gear isn't bissed out with epics, but costs more mana.
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u/MurfDogDF40 Feb 03 '25
As a former warlock player and now current priest heals, I love me a good warlock. I see you I promise and that’s why I send you guys heals!
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u/Khonen Feb 04 '25
The other day I ran a gnomer while leveling my warlock and the priest straight up told me " no heals are for tank only" after I asked for some heal. I watched him sit full mana the entire run. I didn't lifetap much that run. 🥲
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u/Visoth Feb 04 '25
Those runs are the worst.
As a healer main who has a Warlock alt, the conversion of mana -> damage for tossing a renew/rejuv or two is crazy. Just imagine your renew says "deal fuckload of damage to multiple enemies"
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u/weisswurstseeadler Feb 04 '25
Also considering the 5sec rule you often have a GCD after a heal you can use for the renew. So if you anyway break your 5sec, it's always a good moment to toss a lower rank Renew on the WL.
But I've also had locks who then let the entire Renew go into over heal only to life tap to 10% life when we just pull lol..
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u/Dismal-Buyer7036 Feb 04 '25
Same, for me it's the orc warlock that has no first aid, can't cannibalize and taps to 0 before a pull. Fuck that guy. He's why some healers don't take locks.
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u/Jeg57 Feb 04 '25
I love bringing locks in my group. I’ll usually throw a rejuv on a lock before going back to bear.
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u/Precaseptica Feb 04 '25
To be fair, the stereotype is there for a reason in this case. Some warlocks have zero decorum and act as living mana burns on their healer.
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u/Codeine_au Feb 05 '25
Some warlocks are just bad at life tapping. Like ill put a renew on them just as combat ends so i can drink but they wont start life tapping until renew runs out and they will tap to 100% mana and stand there there while i finish drinking at 5% hp
Thats when they don't get renews.
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u/GaperJr Feb 04 '25
As a druid healer who's brother is a warlock, I've learned to throw rejuv on my life tapping friends, sometimes if im feeling a little frisky ill throw a down ranked regrowth. The whispers of praise I get after the run is over make the 2 extra waters I drank worth it.
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u/Atomishi Feb 04 '25
I will heal locks.
But sometimes those fools don't know how to tap efficiently.
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u/thai_iced_queef Feb 03 '25
No one says shit when I rank 1 earth shock and twist grounding totem on mana burns and counterspells ☹️
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Feb 04 '25
But you miss one tremor and they're calling for your head
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u/thai_iced_queef Feb 04 '25
Had to /point at mine the other day cause some clown thought I forgot it. It pulses bro!
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u/Freecraghack_ Feb 04 '25
Love it on magmadar when everyone gets feared and someone starts saying "TREMOR TOTEM" like bro
A) I CANT PLACE IT IM FEARED LIKE EVERYONE ELSE
B) ITS ALREADY DOWN YOU JUST HAVE TO WAIT FOR PULSE
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u/sseeaannsseeaann Feb 04 '25
Could be someone playing a different expac previously, or misremembering how it's supposed to work in vanilla. In Cata and MoP, it's possible to drop tremor while being feared, and it pulses near instantly.
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u/lurkingmania Feb 04 '25
Because people expect shamans to be competent. On the other hand people are surprised if mages can get dressed by themselves.
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u/nokei Feb 04 '25
No one notices when you grounding spell stuns/polys/banishes/mcs or when you use one grounding to take a batched group of simultaneous cast like the whelps in scholo and it's criminal
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u/chubbycanine Feb 04 '25
This is me last night in Scarlett monastery. Interrupting every mana burn and heal only for a mage to get love for casting blizzard to aoe things...
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u/puravida3188 Feb 05 '25
This. It’s very easy for me to be able to lock out spellcaster with ES. But other classes have interrupt to be honest I think I’m the only one who bothers you interrupt stratholm necromancers in the groups I’ve gone in. Similarly other classes have a purge equivalent yes? Likewise why are people just smashing against mobs with buffs? Necro boneshields, Scarlet Chaplains etc.
Shaman, especially enh or my personal spec elehancement (deep ele/enh) are probably the best casters killers in PvE. Dispell+ earthshock+ wind flurry auto attack, alternate ES and FS. If you’re willing to forgo storm strike, which in my opinion is actually a very underwhelming spell, pretty high mana cost 30 second cool down, you can spec deep enough down elemental to be able to get clear casting, elemental mastery and improved fire totems. To me 1/10 spells being free, all my magic getting 100% increase in crit damage and 5 second cooldown on shocks, my magma totems get swiped less and can really pump with a well placed fire nova are well worth no storm strike.
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u/seriousarcasm Feb 04 '25
Grounding doesn't catch mana burns tho does it?
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u/thai_iced_queef Feb 04 '25
It sure does! Catches anything that’s single target. No aoe’s. I have the grounding announcer weak aura flashes the name of the spell it catches at the top of my screen. I can’t play without it
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u/seriousarcasm Feb 05 '25
I bet my totem just hasn't been reaching the healers on the backline. I feel like it never catches the burns
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u/ImpossibleParfait Feb 04 '25
The amount of shit mages is staggering. Doing UD strat on my holy priest and they weren't decursing that shitty one that applies the the group and does dmg on everyone who has it, 2 mages in the group. I let it go the first time, the second time I just said decurse. They both said "we know." Like bro. I get we can do it without the decurse but it's not that hard.
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u/TheNOCOYeti Feb 03 '25
Nah bro, I’m casting Corruption and spamming Shadow Bolt, gotta beat those Warriors and Rogues on the DPS meter.
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u/xBirdisword Feb 03 '25
Pretty easy while levelling to be top dps as lock, especially if you got a mage in the group to control the mobs and allow you to go ham
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u/Usual-Vehicle6761 Feb 04 '25
getting that lucky improved shadowbolt crit into another crit is pure heroin
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u/MeatyOakerGuy Feb 04 '25
Except every single lock levels aff and just spams dots on mobs that are gonna die in 8 seconds from the warrior and rogue.
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u/ruinatex Feb 04 '25
That was the biggest lie ever told by awful private server players.
In T4, BM Hunters were kings as there was no trash plus both 25 mans were a joke, in T5, Arcane Mages outperformed Locks and in T6, Warriors were better if you tailored the Raid around them. TBC ended up being the expansion where the highest amount of misinformation came out from pservers, most people knew nothing and were absolutely clueless.
I remember looking at TBC pserver logs and telling my Guild that there was no way in Hell we were going to bring mfing Balance Druids and their shit DPS just for improved FF like top pserver guilds did and that a Resto Druid could do that, lo and behold, most Guilds ended up doing just that eventually.
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u/AbsolutlyN0thin Feb 04 '25
Warriors were better if you tailored the Raid around them
If you had glaives. It's like ok so you have the one guy with glaives doing more damage, but we have 4 locks in position 2-5. And like in my guild glaives went to a rogue not a warrior so yeah locks stay winning.
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u/ruinatex Feb 04 '25
If you had glaives.
You really didn't need Glaives at all. A T6 geared Warrior with a proper group (i.e with a Feral and an Enhance) already outperformed a Warlock in overall in Black Temple and Sunwell. By the end, most Speedrunning guilds were running the 2 Melee groups with 4 Warriors, 2 Enhances, 2 Ferals and 2 Ret Paladins.
The only advantage Warlock had was that it didn't need any setup aside from the usual Shaman in their group and it was significantly easier to play, so it made sense for most lesser Guilds to run, meanwhile Warriors absolutely needed a Feral and specifically an Enhance in their group to perform and it was harder to pull off.
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u/ShadyDrunks Feb 03 '25
In the 50s on my lock, never dungeoned, this sounds terrifying
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u/Orikshekor Feb 03 '25
We gotta lotta buttons brother
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Feb 04 '25
Until you join raid and everyone is happy if you show up early with a bag full of shards and press curse of elements on every boss
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u/Odd-Neck2146 Feb 04 '25
Warlock was the class where I appreciated mouse buttons the most. With 6 buttons and shift modifier I had an organization there for all my curses and drains.
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u/opebigyikes Feb 04 '25
After 20 years, I finally rolled a lock. Currently level 24. Feels like I’m playing piano on my keyboard and I’m loving every minute of it!
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u/rando_robot_24403 Feb 04 '25
My friend used to hate it when I spammed life tap whilst /y WTF HEAL? to make him look bad in dungeons.
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u/Drikkink Feb 04 '25
Realistically, you're never gonna have to do any of this and especially not all of it at the same time.
Banish removes an elemental or demon for 30 seconds (which can't be canceled, which is why some people prefer downranked banishes for less duration... so you aren't waiting for banish to end).
Seduce is your succubus ability that CCs a humanoid target until damaged. It is rarely used over easier to use CCs like Sap, Poly or Trap.
Putting Tongues on casters is usually a good thing to do in practice but not vital and the Reck on running mobs is a clutch thing you can do to save over pulls, but really shouldn't happen much.
All you gotta do is summon people, make healthstones and soulstones and press Shadowbolt for the most part.
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u/smalltownnerd Feb 03 '25
Only real ones play warlock
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u/Thalivinproof Feb 04 '25
mages and warlocks are like Daniel and the cooler Daniel meme
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u/Missing-Zealot Feb 03 '25
Blizzard Blizzard Blizzard Blizzard... Blizzard Blizzard... Some more Blizzard... Oh, what's that? Yes... It's Blizzard.
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u/Gazrpazrp Feb 03 '25
And, believe it or not, blizzard
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u/GordenRamsfalk Feb 04 '25
I’ve got a need, a need for more blizzard. And we’re fresh outta Dairy Queen.
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u/Saucegod215 Feb 04 '25
I've seen mages use Blizzard on two mobs many times, probably have seen at least one single target Blizzard 🤣
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u/Tootskinfloot Feb 04 '25
People expect Warlock players to be more experienced at the game. They expect Mages to lick windows.
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u/iiNexius Feb 04 '25
I don't compliment warlocks... because I pretty much never see them. They're a rare breed.
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u/NuklearFerret Feb 04 '25
funny you should say that, i looked at my online guild roster yesterday and it was roughly 25% warlocks.
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u/VascularMonkey Feb 04 '25
Lots of summoning alts. People also realized it's fucking hard to find a warlock for MC right now and a lot of people are rolling one up.
I played warlock a lot in Classic. Got a hunter to 60 in Anniversary, went back to start a warlock this week, and there's a fuckload of leveling warlocks.
Hopefully it's not suddenly hard to find raids when I get to 60...
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u/RichWhatt Feb 05 '25
I've never played warlock but maimed hunter this time and thinking about making a lock myself. How are you liking it so far?
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u/VascularMonkey Feb 05 '25
Warlock gets groups a lot easier than hunter. It doesn't level up quite as well but it's still a top leveling class.
I should have started with a warlock again this time around and I would recommend it if you want to get raid spots.
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u/Malohn Feb 04 '25
We asspulled a crap ton of mobs in MC and the warlocks got hit by "Pls use lower rank" cuz we had to wait 8 more seconds. Dude, the last thing you want when you asspull 2 giants 1 dog and some elementals is to rebanish.
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Feb 04 '25
Feel like that was me just now for the warlock mount. Banishing, enslaving, re banishing, and enslaving the demons during the waves of them.
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u/Technical_Meat4784 Feb 03 '25
Didn’t even include health stones, warlocks are a meme even when they try not to be.
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u/TiberianSunset Feb 04 '25
The post is obviously about crowd control, why would he mention health stones?
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u/DangDingleGuy Feb 03 '25
God damn this is some funny shit. Coming from a mage.
You start getting some credit when you tank emps. No sooner /s
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u/Dathire Feb 04 '25
Curse of reckless to stop fleeing mobs? How so?
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u/sneezyo Feb 04 '25
If you a fear a mob it will get the fear debuff
But if you then put Curse of Reck on the mob, it will have both Curse of Reck and Fear but fear will be negated so the mob will come running to you, then last moment put another Curse on the mob so the mob will be automatically feared again
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u/Carthage_haditcoming Feb 04 '25
Mage players are either gods or garbage, to get a mage that have learned polymorph isn't a given.
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u/Cold94DFA Feb 04 '25
Warlock to DPS: has to kowtow to healer and beg for heals to maintain mana to maximise DPS. Social requirement to DPS.
Healer: "you get low rank renew before I drink stfu, idc if you oom 3times midfight, just drink and eat even though that's not the problem."
Mage to DPS: water is free and has multiple cool downs to return mana, healers kowtow to mage for free water.
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u/Jandrix Feb 03 '25
Sheep is the chad and fear is the soyjak I'm sorry, it is known
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u/Usual-Vehicle6761 Feb 03 '25
found the room temp iq mage player
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u/MeatyOakerGuy Feb 04 '25
Because not a single warlock you come across is doing any of this, and even if they were, it's not very useful. Every single warlock in dungeons is spamming dots on mobs that are gonna die in 12 seconds and spamming tap at the bottom the dps meter with no food or bandages.
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u/Drea_Ming_er Feb 04 '25
I mean sure... but get ready for TBC Warlock experince - Spams Shadow Bolt/Seed of Corruption -> win game. (This doesn't come out of place of loathing, I don't play either a mage nor a warlock, wishing you to feel powerful while being simple as well)
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u/Apprehensive_Low4865 Feb 04 '25
What you said but from a place of loathing. Wtf am I supposed to do as a war tank against instant seed spam in tbc :'(
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u/adampk17 Feb 05 '25
TBC was SO fun as a Warlock.. To feel that powerful again would be awesome. It was really only Rogues that caused an issue.
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u/Imperative_Arts Feb 03 '25
Naaah I'd still take a warlock over a mage any day in my groups.
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u/LTinS Feb 03 '25
Extra pack gets pulled.
Warlock: pet sac, runs slow, dies.
Mage: frost nova, group has 8 seconds to regroup. Cone of Cold, group can run forever. Everybody lives.
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u/im_a_toilet_baby Feb 04 '25
Mage: runs out of mana. What did you expect him to do for you?
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u/Mr0BVl0US Feb 04 '25
Use rank 1 spells.
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u/Vodca Feb 04 '25
It was a pirate software reference.
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u/Mr0BVl0US Feb 04 '25
I know, which is why I said, use rank 1 spells lol, which I don't think Pirate does/did?
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u/Vodca Feb 04 '25
Maybe I’m the one who got wooshed
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Mage runs ahead of everyone
"What do you want me to do bro? I have literally zero mana"
Deletes mana gem and swaps out Robe of the Archmage
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u/Xari Feb 04 '25
In reality most mages aren't competent enough to execute this most basic function of their class. Where have you been, mages are the new hunter and much, much worse. They even demand to need on all kinds of shit and throw tantrums over loot constantly. By far always the worst players in my groups.
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u/Nerd_Seeking_Refuge Feb 04 '25
Running spell cleave aoe groups as a warlock with a priest and 3 mages has been so much fun
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u/AdamBry705 Feb 04 '25
Did a run with a warlock as a mage and he whispered me giving me some healing tips because I am playing sod.
I Thanked him for help and mentioned Reck saves mobs from running and he was like No shit?!
It was such a nice moment. Sheeping mobs is whatever. I'm always impressed when a warlock can charm a mob. I could never get it to work properly. Even rogues too with sap and kidney
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u/anonamarth7 Feb 04 '25
Well, as some consolation, you can make pretty good money by running DM when warlock mount comes out. Just sell a group spot to every lock, say 50g a pop. Easy gold.
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u/Cold94DFA Feb 04 '25
I levelled my 2019 lock as a shadow damage only twink. I had no stamina or int but I did 50% of the DMG done every dungeon.
I had to beg and bribe healers but it was fun :)
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u/Pleasant-Spray4399 Feb 04 '25
Oh my god I literally had an entire dungeon group compliment me on a polymorph today this is incredibly real 😭
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u/eyho_wins Feb 04 '25
Not to defend mages here, but I rarely see locks doing the sequence above either.
On the other hand, I try to Counterspell on CD when it makes sense, Frost Nova / CoC / Blizzard if a big pack is accidentally pulled. Plus instant Decurse when applicable. Mage toolbox doesn't stop at Sheep and Frostbolt.
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u/TurntableFable Feb 04 '25
I will gladly level another mage just to steal mob tags from warlocks 1-60.
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u/82GoodTimes25 Feb 04 '25
"no banishing dude, wastes time"
"What kind of noob seduces mobs? sac that shit and lets gooo"
"No fear in raids bozo!"
"Who The hell put up Curse of tongues?! COR NOW!"
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u/NeighboringOak Feb 04 '25
Good players recognize what you're doing.
Not saying mages don't also have tons of utility but if I'm grouping with someone who successfully fear juggles and doesn't fuck us over I'm definitely noticing.
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u/SpunkMcKullins Feb 04 '25
I'm not complimenting the mage for sheeping. I'm complimenting the sheep for being a sheep.
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u/EKEEFE41 Feb 04 '25
I was a lock in 2004 and still to this day people have no idea of the tool kit...
Seduce = polly
Banish = things you can not polly
Felhunter = kicks and dispells
Also now playing a mage, the kit Mages have for dealing with packs is unrivaled. I think PirateSoftware has a clip where he talks about being a control calss with slows and roots.
hehe
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u/SoDplzBgood Feb 04 '25
don't forget silencing with your felhunter in PvP or eating magic debuffs off your buddies....no one cares that I spent an hour building the perfect macro for it :(
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u/nothuzz1910 Feb 04 '25
I took fear off my bars on my lock, everyyyy fucking time I used it mobs run straight to another pack.
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u/hip-indeed Feb 04 '25
the longre classic exists the less reason there'll be to play anything but mage for anything other than endgame raids where you might need 1 war and 1 priest
and every single one of them's a butt-ugly obnoxious gnome for that sweet sweet 5% int boost
make it stop............................
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u/pucksmokespectacular Feb 04 '25
No lock is doing all those things. It may be what you imagine you could do, but none of you actually do
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u/conspirealist Feb 05 '25
Dude, what is with these fcking mages blowing their entire mana bar on a pack of 2-3 mobs (like in ZF) ? I never leveled mage past 10 before. Serious question. Are they just bad at managing mana and blowing AOEs for 2 mobs? Is there something more mana efficient they could be doing? Always holds up my groups as tank.
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u/anthonyajh Feb 05 '25
Death coil too once mob is immune to fear too. Time it out based on travel time and amount of fear time left = chefs kiss 😘
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u/biznatch112 Feb 05 '25
They do all that but still leave their dumbass imp on phase shift after getting cursed so I get stuck with that annoying ass box saying x is cursed secure now. Fuck you warlock
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u/Murky_Reflection_717 Feb 05 '25
This probably proves the point that warlock has more cc options and in no way downplays mage . Also u forgot nova , decurse , coc , frostbolt (rank 1, max ) food , water , portals , Frost Armor (serves as attack speed debuff ) counterspell , arcane intellect , dampen magic etc . It's all situational .
Maybe mage cannot cc as hard as warlock but has many other benefits and group utility
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u/DeviceImpossible9374 Feb 06 '25
Me tanking in berserker stance. “If I do more damage, they’ll die sooner.” 🥴
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u/No_Emphasis8285 Feb 04 '25
Have never seen a warlock like this, the ones I see are similar to your mage panel, they cast one banish in BRD and feel like they are the CC kings I bet. The healer keeps all these mouthbreathers alive.
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u/Mr0BVl0US Feb 03 '25
Probably because it's so visually recognizable but yeah, that's a 10/10 meme.