r/classicwow • u/Natural20DND • Feb 20 '25
Classic 20th Anniversary Realms Two completely different experiences
Idk man, I’m having fun shield slammin.
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u/shlepky Feb 20 '25 edited Feb 20 '25
Prot warriors take the least damage out of all tank specs, not cause you're actually tanky but because nothing is hitting you.
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u/NeighboringOak Feb 20 '25
The best part of this is a bunch of redditors don't understand this because they think it's normal to ask for 8s of threat development before each pull.
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins Feb 20 '25 edited Feb 20 '25
Had two prot warrior MTs for all of 2019 classic. Cleared Naxx without issue, had plenty of big DPS. Tanks just have to know what they’re doing.
It’s completely fine and reddit keeps forgetting that what is required for a 0.1% speed run guild isn’t relevant to everyone else.
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u/E-2-butene Feb 20 '25
“Big” dps is relative. And there’s absolutely a limit to what a prot warrior can do.
Your dps will of course still do okay. And some will absolutely do better than others, looking like “big” dps in a relative sense. But I can nearly guarantee you that a well gear, competent dps of most classes is threat capped with a prot warrior tank. And your best dps like fury warriors almost certainly will be.
Your guild can absolutely clear content with prot warriors. People did it back in the day and they can do it now, patiently waiting for 5 sunders toeing the line while threat capped. Being a prot warrior isn’t going to be a guild killer or anything. But your raid’s dps and kill times will definitely pale in comparison to an otherwise identical guild with a fury/prot warrior.
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins Feb 20 '25
“Big” dps is relative.
I mean we had plenty of 99 parsers all through the expansion including me, though I was a rogue so threat is less of an issue but we also had some pretty insane DPS warriors and they hit their 99’s as well.
I really don’t know what else people want. If you’re legitimately in a guild competing for the best times in the world (which the vast majority simply are not) then fine, stack 20 brown boys and a FP tank, whatever.
Otherwise play how you want, including prot tanking if that suits you best. We cleared everything in the expansion, got all the shinies, and had a ton of fun. What else do people what?
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u/TymooreJ Feb 20 '25
Can you link the logs of any raid night that had a 99 parse with a deep prot tank?
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u/E-2-butene Feb 20 '25 edited Feb 20 '25
I’d say people want an easier time. Like maybe you had an absolute beast of a prot tank who could hold threat on top parsers. But, all else being equal, he probably would have held less threat than as a fury prot. That may have been fine for your guild, but if I have a more mid tank, my raid might need that fury/prot boost not to threat cap.
It’s also worth pointing out that there’s a pretty strong faction dependence to this. And I’m definitely coming at this from a horde perspective. When you have salvation, threat capping MUCH less of an issue (30% less, in fact). I absolutely felt like I could pull off of good deep prot tanks on horde, but I could see how cutting my threat by 30% could have easily changed that.
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u/redghost4 Feb 20 '25
That 30% threat reduction actually translates into having to deal 42% more damage to rip aggro off a tank with the same TPS.
It's absolutely insane. Prot warrior is a lot more viable alliance side for sure. You can just gear aggressively and tank everything except maybe Vael just fine with 99 parses in your raid.
Horde is the real challenge. Shield slam doesn't even proc WF too so 1/4 of your globals don't even benefit from your faction's main advantage
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u/-Exy- Feb 21 '25
That 30% threat reduction actually translates into having to deal 42% more damage to rip aggro off a tank with the same TPS.
But he's not going to have anywhere near the same TPS since he is deep prot. That's the point.
Why do you think alliance guilds still use fury prot tanks otherwise? (Spoiler, it's because you will have threat issues with deep prot)
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins Feb 20 '25
Yeah I play Alliance and it may well not be viable horde side which is fine, but people saying prot tanks aren’t viable at all outside five mans are simply wrong.
I’m cool with people playing FP or whatever else they please honestly. But you can do 100% of content in the game with prot tanks no issue.
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u/effkaysup Feb 20 '25
You know no one believes you right?
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins Feb 20 '25
Yes, I am aware that most of this sub thinks they’re a lot better than they are and knows a lot more than they do.
I’m fine with it.
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u/Shoddy-Reach-4664 Feb 21 '25
It has nothing to do with people thinking they are good lol
I've dipped my toes in the hardcore scene but for the most part I stick to casual and semi hardcore guilds. You didn't have 99 parses in a raid with deep prot tanks. Threat just doesn't work like that.
To even have the possibility of a 99 parse you need to be in a try hard group so that the kill times are low enough on the bosses that give you're cooldowns maximum % uptime. The guilds that do that don't run prot warriors because if they did they wouldn't keep aggro from the pumper warriors.
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u/Zonkport Feb 21 '25
People just want to whine and beat dead horses and tell other people they're playing the game wrong.
That's what they want :/
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u/SobigX Feb 21 '25
I was one of the Prot Warriors who cleared Naxx. What guild were you in and what is your name, kind Sir?
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u/lurkerperson11 Feb 20 '25
This is simply not possible with even top 10% warriors on horde. On alliance tho you can get away with a lot.
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins Feb 20 '25
Well I played alliance so there is that, if horde can’t do it then I won’t argue as I haven’t raided horde since actual vanilla.
But if 50% of the population (possibly more as raiding guilds often go alliance for pally buffs) can do something then calling it impossible is a tad disingenuous.
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u/Kalpothyz Feb 21 '25
Spot the dad guild alliance player who has no understanding of threat mechanics as Salvation covers a multitude of sins. Against a half decent DPS warrior on horde you would be lose threat in about 5 seconds. It is not even a debate. The numbers are all there in millions of logs.
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u/EnervatedOwl Feb 21 '25
You did not have good dps wars if your prots held threat
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u/Freecraghack_ Feb 20 '25
Prot warrior is a lot of fun because you get run around chasing mobs instead of just standing still
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u/Daemon_Shell Feb 20 '25
With your arms wide open. And dazed. It's beautiful.
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u/itsaaronnotaaron Feb 20 '25
Now I've got Creed stuck in my head.
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u/beeatenbyagrue Feb 20 '25
I can help with that one
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u/powertripp82 Feb 20 '25
God
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u/beeatenbyagrue Feb 21 '25
At least in my head it's the Leo Moracchioli Metal version when it plays so it's 50% less terrible
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u/Alondite90 Feb 20 '25
I only just watched TNG last year and it's astonishing how I now see this quoted throughout Reddit now 😂
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u/acrazyguy Feb 20 '25
Lmao this is like in iCarly when they were contractually obligated to say good things about some high tech shoes that sucked.
“When they catch on fire from stepping into a small puddle, you can use that fire to cook hotdogs”
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u/Kreiger81 Feb 20 '25
When classic came out the first time, I stayed shield slamming for as long as I possibly could. I was part of a crew on the classic warrior discord who tried our damndest to stay sword and board, but eventually in about mid BWL/super late MC my DPS started out-threating what I could put down even with full buffs, consumables, hit/crit gear.
It comes down to the fact that DW Fury or even sword/board fury just does more dps and more threat. SOD fixed that, but for raw classic I think fury is just gonna beat it. I dont know if eventually deep prot catches back up, but I dont think so until TBC.
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u/Mysterious-Length308 Feb 20 '25
Believe me, all these guys are arguing about pre-raid content, not even MC.
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u/Kreiger81 Feb 20 '25
oh, then yeah, deep prot is better for 5mans. more control, more oh-shit tools.
but that fades pretty quick when you have dps crying cause they have to hold back so you pick up a pair of daggers and aged core leather gloves/edgies and the belt from DM and start heroic strike spamming.
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u/t4ngl3d Feb 20 '25
Prot warrior is fine and legit fun for pre bis grind, Fury prot is miserable in 5 mans because you don't have tactical mastery. That talent really makes or breaks the warrior tanking experience.
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u/The_MN_Kiwi Feb 20 '25
I just went fury arms, besides the increased threat there isn’t a whole ton that has a lot of value when just doing dungeons. Would rather have tactical mastery
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u/Beablebeable Feb 20 '25
This is what I do as well. I have a fury prot spec that I use for raids and a regular DPS spec that I use for tanking dungeons. I hate fury prot for anything except stationary tanking of one mob. I miss Last Stand a little bit in my DPS spec, but it's fine.
This threat stuff is faction dependent also. Salv (and windfury in the other direction) is such a difference maker. Horde tanks really do have to fight for threat in a way that Ally tanks don't.
I'm ally for the first time in a long time and it's amazing how different it is.
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u/bjornartl Feb 20 '25
2h tanking is typically the preferred dmg build for tanking dungeons tho
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u/Beablebeable Feb 20 '25
If we had triple spec I'd keep an Arms tank spec, but with only two, I'd rather have the flexibility of a DPS spec that I use for tanking. Arms tanking is great fun though, and definitely the best on trash in dungeons.
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u/Trinica93 Feb 20 '25
At 60 it really isn't. 90% of the time you're LoS pulling, which means you can't just Charge/SS right away. That makes 2H tanking significantly worse.
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u/bjornartl Feb 20 '25
Just starting in with zerker rage and a loaded swing timer still lets you pretty much immediately WW and stance swap. You also have bloodrage.
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u/-Exy- Feb 21 '25
This is just wrong. Im a practically full bis fury prot tank and I tank pretty much every dungeon in arms because it’s the best for aoe threat. You can still use arms with LOS pulls.
I have to have world buffs or multiple consumes if I want to hold aoe threat as fury prot.
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u/Trinica93 Feb 21 '25
Well yeah, it's definitely better than fury/prot. Fury/prot is complete garbage outside of raids. Fury DPS is best for dungeons at 60 though IMO, by a pretty wide margin.
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u/Rokovar Feb 20 '25
I just let a ranged corner pull, problem solved.
Even without charge 2h dps is immensely higher lol, I deal like 2-4x the damage of a duel wielding fury tank. I average 800-900 dps. I don't really have threat problems as I'm dealing 60% of the group damage consistently
If you think 2H tanking is significantly worse at 60, you're doing something terribly wrong
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u/Own_Ad2274 Feb 20 '25
just zerk stance tank dungeons you’ll rip agro anyway
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u/Yeas76 Feb 20 '25
Cant explain this to ppl, they get grumpy.
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u/Alyusha Feb 20 '25
They get grumpy because their tank is taking 20% more damage and still doing poor damage lol. That stuff works when you have a group of warriors, but outside of that you're just making it harder on the group.
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u/Beltox2pointO Feb 20 '25
we have dual spec now, just tank as Arms or dps fury. much better than both prot and FProt.
Prot works fine though, just need too wear more aggressive gear and whirlwind more often.
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u/Juguwa Feb 20 '25
Is this legit worth full fury dps tank? Havent heard anyone doing this so is it thrash or not?
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u/t4ngl3d Feb 20 '25
You have tactical mastery as Fury dps so you can just stance dance, stay mostly in dstance after opener, spam whirlwind and go back, spam revenge, bloodthirst sunder and cleave/hs. Its actually more chill than Fury prot like that.
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u/Beltox2pointO Feb 20 '25
The only difference from arms if you don't have swiping strikes, it's not that big of a deal. It works fine and more threat on bosses.
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u/Troutpiecakes Feb 21 '25
2h fury goes hard with good gear. Just spam WW with a ww -> def stance macro to batch ww into 0.9x dmg and 1.3x threat.
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u/Zatosbottom Feb 20 '25
I thought this as well but iv been doing 5 mans in my raid fury prot spec and I love it. Especially for boss fights.
Arms is too slow to go back to for me.
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u/Watercooler_expert Feb 20 '25
It only feels too slow if you don't manage rage properly between pulls, you don't have the rage gen of fury and you basically need to build 55 rage just to start the pull (sweeping strike + ww). Alternating between small pulls to build rage and bigger pulls to dump rage helps, it takes a while to get the pacing right otherwise you're not holding any aggro or getting any rage.
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u/Zatosbottom Feb 20 '25
I totally get that.
When I say arms is too slow. I am referring to how fury prot as a spec feels. I love the fast attack playstyle of it.
Having the SS + ww combo for dungeons is amazing. But I have just really grown fond of how fury prot feels.
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u/Watercooler_expert Feb 20 '25
I get how you feel, swinging a very slow weapon is super punishing when you don't have hit cap. Some pulls you miss 3 attacks in a row and you don't have threat on anything, that's just how it is sometimes.
Fury/prot is more reliable and better on single target/bosses while arms cleaves and bursts harder.
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u/abadguy87 Feb 21 '25
Considering dual spec is in the game what would a pure dungeon tanking build look like? Like precisely meant for pre bis dungeon spamming.
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u/epicfailpwnage Feb 20 '25
all i read online is, Deep prot does no aggro, and Arms/Fury is too squishy, so every warrior tank is wrong anyways. Its totally not confusing when i try to get an idea how to tank upper 50s dungeons on my first time playing a warrior
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u/Watercooler_expert Feb 20 '25
31 arms/20 fury for tanking before raids, you're only too squishy if you wear a bunch of leather, wear proper plate and you'll be fine. Keep a shield swap macro handy for hard hitting mobs.
Fury/prot is too annoying to play with no tactical mastery, it's really a spec made for boss/raid tanking but it struggles on aoe. You can tank dungeons at 60 with it once you have good gear but I wouldn't recommend as a levelling spec.
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u/epicfailpwnage Feb 20 '25
31/20 does feel fun and effective. I am playing on Hardcore though. I do use full plate with some good blue boes like 2 piece valor, and i use all the consumes i can think of in dungeons along with having a reliable holy paladin healer with improved devo aura.
Im just afraid of getting killed too fast and messing everything up because of it. It feels like a constant race to keep my damage and defenses up. I just read lots of conflicting guides saying i should play fury/arms or prot. I was thinking with dual spec i could play arms for trash and swap to bloodthirst/arms on single target bosses?
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u/Suspicious_War_9305 Feb 21 '25
Take this with a grain of salt because I am not a min maxing warrior by any means, but really you don’t take that much more damage and the trick is to just get that first 5 seconds of insane threat then going sword and board is fine.
I’m also on hardcore and the charge>sweeping strikes>berserk>whirlwind>demo shout combo gives you so much threat it’s not even close to any other spec. Even if you go into defensive stance after that and just hit cleave or sunder armor you’re fine.
I tried deep prot and I tried fury both just doesnt seem to get that aoe threat on dungeon pulls like arms does so your healer might pull which is really dangerous. Then not having tac mastery if you have to taunt you now have 0 rage and shit hits the fan quick.
IMO it’s dangerous to NOT go arms. If your healer dies you die.
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u/Suspicious_War_9305 Feb 20 '25
As someone who has minimal experience under warrior, who decided to run warrior on a hardcore server I can say at least in my experience arms is 100% the way to go in dungeons and it isn’t even close.
If you go pull prot, the only time something is attacking you is when you taunt and even still the other 2 mobs are running to your healer.
Charging in, popping sweeping strikes, hitting demo shout, then going into berserk stance to hit WW then back to battle stance to cleave and overpower seems like it’s the best thing to do. If you take too many hits I just have shield block bound to 1h shield and you’ll keep the aggro without getting 1 shot.
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u/BigJizzle Mar 02 '25
I'm in the exact same boat currently - what worked out best for you in the end? Hopefully your tank still lives!
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u/GiveMeRoom Feb 20 '25
My previous guild on Anniversary had a GM that was deep prot, I shit you not. Raid was rough, guild collapsed a week later when an Officer of that guild went against the GM because he refused to play Fury Prot.
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u/Semen_Salad_Sandwich Feb 20 '25
Yeah, threat capping the entire raid tends to annoy people.
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u/itsmassivebtw Feb 20 '25
I can hear the boomer cigarette smoking voice complaining about people not giving the tank 5 globals before attacking
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u/itsmassivebtw Feb 20 '25
Followed by a 2,000 word reddit manifesto about how if raiders pull agro it's their fault
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u/Darkreaper48 Feb 21 '25
Erm ☝🤓 achshually you pay to play this game every month, shouldn't you want to spend 6 hours wiping in MC???? Why would you try so hard to play the game less???
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u/Shneckos Feb 20 '25
Ah... I remember starting up 2019 Classic with some old boomer friends, our first MC raid, we kept hearing the "wait for 5 sunders".
And then by our second raid some of the sweatier players opened my eyes to this thing called -Fury Prot- and it started to make sense. I never went back to deep prot, wait 5 sunders, wearing their crappy tier, boomer-style tanking.
It created a lot of loot drama though because some players still didn't like the idea of tanks taking shit like Band of Accuria or Onslaught Girdle
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins Feb 20 '25
Yes shockingly players get really tired of “MT prio!!!” for literally everything in the game.
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u/Shneckos Feb 20 '25
I understand that, but at the same time if you have a raid full of players who put in effort getting Wbuffs and wanting to clear content quickly and smoothly, those players don't want to have to sit on their hands because their MT is undergeared or playing deep prot.
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u/banewlf Feb 20 '25
I don't know who needs to hear this but: Your main tanks threat IS your damage.
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins Feb 20 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
Yes and you should gear them.
But far too often this translates to “MT gets literally every good piece of gear as it drops regardless of how often they’ll use it or how big an upgrade it is”.
I ran a guild all through 2019 classic. Tanks got the gear they needed but they didn’t simply get everything. KT was still just as dead on the floor when all was said and done.
It also means you don’t see months of drops walk out the door when a tank who has every upgrade suddenly gets “too busy” and stops raiding.
Edit: just watched our MT, who is miles ahead on threat from everyone, take Onslaught Girdle "for threat". That was super popular with all the DPS warriors who have gotten no upgrades for weeks while he has been picking up everything.
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u/lumpboysupreme Feb 20 '25
I feel like the OP is someone who tanks dungeons mostly, so they don’t get the difference or what it is people criticize deep prot for.
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u/GiveMeRoom Feb 21 '25
Indeed lol I'm not in that guild now, in a much MUCH better guild thank god. That GM was just so stubborn and refused to even consider Fury Prot.
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u/SoSKatan Feb 20 '25
I’m currently a MT for a guild and I have both prot and fury specs.
The nice thing with duel spec is this is less of an issue, you can pick the better one depending on the situation.
Maxing threat in prot is more difficult and most warriors don’t know how to do it (prioritize revenge, followed by shield spam then sunder)
I’ll have to swap to fury raid tanking at some point, but until melee dps starts taking agro from me, I’ll prefer to make life for the healers easier.
It doesn’t make sense to switch until threat becomes more of an issue (at which point, both the healers and I will have slightly better gear.)
But yeah, I’ve been down voted lots of times here when mentioned the benefits of prot. It’s like some players want to pretend there is only one correct way to do things.
I currently out threat any of our DPS by 30% or so, sure I can make that go higher by switching but that isn’t going to change the fight any other than use up more healer mana.
As we all get better geared, I’ll switch. At that point I’ll have a more difficult time keeping up, however my gear and the healers gear will be more than enough.
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u/pupmaster Feb 20 '25
What talents in the deep prot tree make it easier for healers?
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u/bschumm1 Feb 20 '25
Because of a deep Prot Warrior? There had to be more to it than that, my guild is 2019 classic had 3 sword and board warriors and we were speed clearing Naxx
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u/Ditto_D Feb 20 '25
You miss the part where he said "raid was rough" can confirm. We had a deep prot warrior for 2019 classic and shit is rough when people pull aggro because the tank can't keep up.
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u/confirmedshill123 Feb 20 '25
Logs or lies
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u/memekid2007 Feb 21 '25
These deep prot speedrunners that never had threat issues with 99 parsers in their raid also coincidentally never have logs
Hmm
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u/Own_Ad2274 Feb 20 '25
logs please
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u/Jon_ofAllTrades Feb 21 '25
Spoilers: the logs don’t exist and they’re going to use the excuse that WCL archived them so they don’t have to post anything.
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u/No_Temporary_1922 Feb 20 '25
And everyone in your group as deep prot looks like the guy on the left.
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u/lib___ Feb 20 '25
the dude on the left are the ppl that have to play with a deep prot war
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u/GiantJellyfishAttack Feb 20 '25
You might be having fun. But your dps players who have to stand there doing nothing for 7 seconds every pull certainly aren't
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u/DoctorWafle Feb 20 '25
Or just let me hit the mob once… I swear dps think they need to parse on bosses in WC. I’ll bow pull and warriors are charging before my arrow hits.
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u/Forever_Fires Feb 21 '25
The thing is, it won't only be 7 sec of waiting, playing fully optimal any rogue or warrior will chase hard and have to deal with it by slowing down dps after a short while
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u/ReawakendPB55 Feb 20 '25
Warrior tanking just blows from my experience. No AoE in defensive stance is wild to me. Then to boot tactical mastery is second tier arms tree 😭 no whirlwind without that
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u/TacoManifesto Feb 22 '25
Gotta say if there’s one spec I always like to play in every version of wow it’s gotta be Prot Warrior. Sometimes op, sometimes not.. always fun.
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u/ilovedeliworkers Feb 20 '25
SoD deep prot is so fun. I’m almost full naxx geared and dying in the open world is just not an option.
Just wish they’d scale damage a bit better for prot warrior. Easily bottom 5 damage each fight but still ripping 90+ parses
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u/pupmaster Feb 20 '25
I love being OT and sitting in Glad Stance. Really fun playstyle.
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u/ilovedeliworkers Feb 20 '25
Trinket off saphh that gives 400 block rating makes my shield slams I’m glad stance absolutely slap with world buffs
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u/pupmaster Feb 20 '25
God that's so sick. I wish there was more SBV gear in Naxx overall though.
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Feb 20 '25
What's the appeal?
Mitigation isn't a problem for any warrior in vanilla, even if they have 0 talent points applied to their character. Going all in on redundant durability, when vanilla is a TPS gated meta dominated by DPS warriors, is aggressively stupid.
DPS warriors with Fury/Arms DPS specs in offspec gear are going to be more suitable for tanking than you.
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u/Cold94DFA Feb 20 '25
For some, mitigation IS the appeal. the fantasy of playing s big tanky shield boi.
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u/Odd-Bandicoot-9314 Feb 21 '25
But do you really get any extra mitigation from the prot tree aside from maybe the first 15-20 points?
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u/Cold94DFA Feb 21 '25
Wow players who have played for years eventually start to crunch numbers, as you suggest, but lots of players are playing for the first time or even from retail, which means tanking = picking the tank spec, and that's as simple as it needs to be in vanilla.
It's fine to want to push numbers and clear times, and it's also fine to wear a shield cus you think it looks cool.
No amount of shouting math at shield-fanciers is going to make them like you, or start gushing over math.
It's either an incredibly easy game that can be cleared naked or it isn't, and we know what the answer is.
Best to just let sub optimal players do whatever they fantasise about.
You are asking " is it good?"
While some people ask "is it cool?"
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u/Gexm13 Feb 20 '25
You are having fun shield slamming and the warriors in your group are having fun getting free rage. Win win situation ngl.
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u/AlexanderAsanaski Feb 20 '25
If there’s one thing I can guarantee, it’s that in 2004 blizzard did not imagine people would dual wield fury prot tank lol
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u/Sanshouuo Feb 20 '25
Prot Warrior is an awesome experience. Enjoy it. To those that wanna take that heroic leap, do it. We lead the charge and always have since Warcraft 1 babyyyy!
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u/Natural20DND Feb 20 '25
YEAH BABY!
Slowly runs forward because I’m too lazy to charge
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u/BloodThirstyLycan Feb 20 '25
I kind of want to try to lvl as a prot warrior but it scares me xD
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u/Carbon_fractal Feb 20 '25
I like how the people in this thread are doing exactly what the image describes
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u/Ben_steel Feb 20 '25
Could be said for the whole game, I feel like half the time it’s just pure theory crafting.
Like you got people waiting for a tank a decently geared deep prot warrior rocks up, how many raids would seriously turn them back? Like 10% if that.
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u/confirmedshill123 Feb 20 '25
I beg you, go deep prot and see how many raids you get invited to tank for.
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u/Robinsonirish Feb 20 '25
They don't play the game, certainly don't raid if they think people want a prot warrior. you can't find more degenerate players who take the game seriously than warriors who want to tank in raids, hog all the loot and carry the raid for everyone else. All of them know how useless deep prot is.
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u/Semen_Salad_Sandwich Feb 20 '25
Probably most would turn them down, warriors are a dime a dozen. It’s not hard to find a fury prot warrior willing to tank a raid.
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u/Shneckos Feb 20 '25
Fun? Idk... I did fury prot through all of 2019 classic. Deep prot just fuckin sucks lol. It's actually WAY more fun to basically just tank shit as a DPS with wbuffs. Deep prot doesn't even compare.
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u/Redschallenge Feb 20 '25
I played real prot for years and it holds amazing aggro and mitigates a shit ton of damage... people just qq because it doesn't show up nice on the damage meter. It's not the tanks job to do damage. It's his job to not take it. Then fury tanks blame healers for getting two shot
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u/Semen_Salad_Sandwich Feb 20 '25
It’s fine if your dpsers are bad, otherwise they’re going to be threatcapped.
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u/SouthBendCitizen Feb 20 '25
My experience healing vanilla for the first time disagrees with this. I would much rather heal the fury/arms warrior who is ripping aggro anyway and can keep ahold of more mobs more reliably than the deep prot who either struggles to hold more than a couple at a time and spreads damage across the group, or the dps stand and watch for 5-10 seconds every pack while tank gets enough aggro on the table.
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u/Robinsonirish Feb 20 '25
you know you are talking about retail and have no experience tanking in classic when talking about tank damage. It's not about damage, it's about threat.
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u/pupmaster Feb 20 '25
What mitigation does prot bring that fury prot doesn't? Take your time.
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u/tobalaba Feb 20 '25
I will likely get deep prot spec around lvl 50 to also have tactical mastery. This will let me tank 60 dungeons with subpar gear until I get decent enough gear to tank as arms or fury.
For leveling I’ll just stick with Arms for dungeon tanking until then.
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u/Ok_Coach_5681 Feb 20 '25
Despite the added rage, tanks job is to mitigate. In reality not many people truly want to tank, if you did you would actually mitigate damage and respect healer mana as the top of your concerns.
People saying you can’t get threat in deep prot lack threat and rage management.
I still shortlist prot tanks for 5 mans
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u/ExcisionIsMyDad Feb 20 '25
Can someone link me a step by step on learning DW fury? I feel like I find so many sources contradict each other.
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u/jerenstein_bear Feb 20 '25
I love playing tank specs, even when questing. Everyone is so worried about running through the game as fast as possible, sometimes it's nice to take your time. That being said, I also solo leveled multiple holy paladin to 60 through only questing so I have a uniquely high tolerance for being bored.
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u/lyons4231 Feb 20 '25
Good thing we have dual spec now, I did arms for leveling until 40 then built deep prot for dungeons. I'm 58 now and will drop the arms build for fury/prot. Seems like the way to go.
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u/Xiverz Feb 21 '25
Prot is fine it just doesn't scale very well with Wbuffs like Fury does in raids so it falls behind in threat, for dungeons it's better than Fury at low gear but Arms just clears both specs
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u/Maleficent-Vater Feb 21 '25
More than 15pts just make no sense. With Dual-Spec its not as bad, but before I could never understand how anyone would put more than 15pts in Prot and gimp himself for anything but main-tanking.
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u/krulp Feb 21 '25
What you have to understand about the deep prot warrior is that your experience is fine. The DPS just have a bad time.
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u/Confident-Radish4832 Feb 21 '25
In classic prot warrior was pretty painful tbh. I loved it, but painful. Solo was pretty brutal.
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u/Nice-Entertainer-922 Feb 21 '25
I dont know what it is about this meme, but it makes me want to shit on the one justifying himself with "It feels good." if anything.
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u/MoistCucumber Feb 21 '25
Prot warrior isn’t too bad as long as your wife doesn’t start spending a lot of time in the dps only discord with her breeding stud
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u/echodrift4 Feb 21 '25
This entire thread made me want to stick to my hunter. I also highly doubt this picture is accurate knowing how mfs are when playing the game. I'll just do me and shoot my pew pew arrows in the back unbothered. Refuse to heal/tank for such a dogshit community.
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u/haayyeett Feb 22 '25
Deep prot is fine if you want to tank a 5 man or something. but in a raid with full wbs and raid buffs deep prot just straight up isn't going to be able to hold threat over a good fury warrior. math just doesn't add up.
Not saying you can't do it and can't clear content etc. I'm saying that a fully buffed warrior in classic wow is a power trip that doesn't exist in any other version, and the *last* thing I want to do is not press my buttons bc my main tank wants to play deep prot. great for their class fantasy but kills mine no ty
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u/cetax1 Feb 23 '25
The Prot Warrior is on the right, meanwhile the rest 39 players in the raid are the ones on the left because of the prot warrior
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u/sirzotolovsky Feb 20 '25
Honestly you could remove the text ‘deep prot warrior’ for both of them and this meme encompasses everything here