r/classicwow • u/Dr-Enforcicle • Feb 22 '25
Season of Discovery SoD if it was an oversimplified food analogy
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u/SaltNo8237 Feb 22 '25
I wish phase 3 wasn’t a dog turd 🪦 I may have made it
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u/CrunchyButtMuncher Feb 22 '25
Yep I did one day of nightmare incursions and quit. I went back for phase 6 and I deeply regret not starting again phase 4.
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u/Entropiestromstaerke Feb 22 '25
I did the nightmare incursion grind on the release night. I spent that entire phase raidlogging. Got to 60 in the next phase and quit before MC opened. I just returned for KC and it's so much fun again.
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u/Gwendyn7 Feb 23 '25
Pro tip, just dont do incursions.
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u/LeMolle Feb 23 '25
Sunken temple was pretty bad iirc. Getting 2 spellpower upgrades felt horrible and with the raid size increasing it wasn't as easy to assemble a quick group anymore.
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u/Conjurus_Rex15 Feb 22 '25
I just came back a few days ago and I’m loving it!!!! Start a new toon, hit the rune broker and just start blasting.
Logging back into phase 3 toons was overwhelming AF.
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u/caedin8 Feb 22 '25
It’s fun for like 4 hours for me then it’s just stupid
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u/DelayStriking8281 Feb 23 '25
i did a level 30 dungeon, SM. I can pull two rooms and not die. Pretty dumb lol. You can just face roll it. Its already easy enough.
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u/Professional-Cup-487 Feb 23 '25
OH man what are we ever gonna do about a lvl 30, 20 year old, dungeon being able to be done as quickly as a mage cleave group on does it on era. THE HORRORS
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u/Izriel Feb 22 '25
This is how it is for me, I want to like it...I really love the concept its just too much new stuff for me.
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u/bmfanboy Feb 22 '25
Isn’t the new gear system really punishing for returning players now? Obviously getting t2 gear is very easy with reals but the scaling from gear in Kara crypts/naxx I thought punished you for even skipping a week.
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u/Blanck100 Feb 22 '25
You can get a starter sanctified set from doing open world invasions and karazhan. I was able to get an old alt naxx ready in like 2-3 days
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Feb 23 '25
2-3 days of how much game time per day though? Like 2-3 doing 8-12 hour sessions isn't the same as a few hours over a weekend
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u/boshbosh92 Feb 23 '25
The gear from Kara are drops.. There's no punishment. I haven't done Kara for 2 weeks and I don't need to ever do it agwin
I think what you are confusing it with is the naxx trinket buff where you farm a currency and upgrade the trinket A new rank or two was unlocking every week and you could upgrade your trinket. However it takes like 30 min to get enough currency to upgrade it. They implemented weekly catch up mechanics for alts
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u/Nobbins42 Feb 22 '25
Was phase 3 the one with sunken temple raid? If not which one was that? That one sucked.
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u/buttcheeksmasher Feb 22 '25
Incursions were the first big step into hell for this mode. Entire guild went to cata/classic cause of it
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u/Dr-Enforcicle Feb 22 '25
Yeah, honestly I feel like that's where SoD took a turn for the worse. Phase 1 and 2 were both fantastic, but 3 is where everything started tipping way towards Cata/retail and the game didn't particularly feel like vanilla anymore. Every phase after that has just shifted further and further from vanilla.
It's fun, sure, but distinctly not vanilla anymore.
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u/SeveralKnapkins Feb 22 '25
3 is where I dropped off after logging everyday for all of P1 + P2. The transition from 10 -> 20 man made things more difficult for my semi casual guild, and incursions fucked the economy so much it was hard to keep up.
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Feb 23 '25
Same thing happened to me, I wasn't really a fan of the blood moon event anyway, but to learn that P3 had recycled the bloodmoon event + incursions while I was on vacation, my friends all talking about the insane amounts of gold they were making and then for it to get nerfed into the ground before I even got back home.. it just killed it for me. Went back to Retail and then onto Anniversary.
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u/Tinusers Feb 23 '25
The incursions in 3 kinda screwed the population a bit but it was all brought back in P4. Right now SoD is the best version of WoW available imo.
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u/lotsofamphetamines Feb 22 '25
Phase 3 was nothing like cata/retail, it was just bad. The content sucked.
I play retail. I played cata. I enjoy both of those, phase 3 was just ass.
Everything you personally don’t like is not “retail”, this mindset is so annoying,
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u/lloydscocktalisman Feb 23 '25
Phase 2 was fucking trash lmao.
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u/atomic__balm Feb 23 '25
It was fine if it was 6 weeks max, it was just too damn long and collapsed the player base, then p3 nailed the coffin shut with incursions and it never recovered
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u/RomeoChang Feb 22 '25
I didn’t like phase 2, phase 3 was fun. Everything after has been perfect
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u/SystemGardener Feb 22 '25
Phase 3 had significantly more to do than phase 2. I really don’t get the phase 3 hate.
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u/SaltNo8237 Feb 22 '25
The nightmare incursions were so bad and that’s all anyone would do.
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u/SystemGardener Feb 22 '25
They were bad, but their shittyness got vastly over blown. Phase 3 had relevant dungeons when phase 2 did not. Then had the raid on top of that, incursions, and the pvp events.
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u/IssacSchneizer Feb 22 '25
Phase 3 destroyed guilds with the jump from 10 man.
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u/ambassat Feb 22 '25
Yup this is why my guild and I stopped playing. Couldn’t find 10 other people that fit our schedule and took the fun out of sod. Went from a game to play with the boys to another wow chore finding people to raid with
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u/suchtie Feb 22 '25
My guild died with P3 as well. Some people quit because of incursions so we weren't even a full 10 man roster anymore, and one died irl so the overall mood was low. We still chat on discord but only one of us still plays SoD.
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u/Gukle Feb 22 '25
This. 10man is tight knit close friend circle. 20man is just work space. The flex change is nice but too late.
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u/Dr-Enforcicle Feb 22 '25
when phase 2 did not.
....did we play the same phase 2? There was endless moaning about phase 2 being bad because all you did was run scarlet monastery dungeons.
You had 4 SM dungeons + RFK + RFD. Six dungeons is "no relevant dungeons" ?
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u/rainbrostalin Feb 22 '25
But almost none of the gear mattered from those. Most classes went into gnomer with almost full BFD gear, whereas there was a lot of pre-BIS stuff in dungeons in P3.
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u/Dr-Enforcicle Feb 22 '25
But almost none of the gear mattered from those.
And none of the gear in phase 3 dungeons mattered either, gnomer gear was BIS for ST. People were literally still running gnomer even at 50 because a lot of stuff in there was really great at 50.
whereas there was a lot of pre-BIS stuff in dungeons in P3
After they buffed it, you mean. And even then it was only 2-3 pieces per class. From 2 dungeons, ZF and Mara.
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u/Vio94 Feb 22 '25
It may have been overblown, but they gave so much gold and xp that not doing them was stupid. And doing them from level 20 to 50 was a gigantic struggle and made me stop playing after I got level 50 and OP gear from the rep.
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u/Sta723 Feb 22 '25
ST was pretty bad. Too much trash. The PvP event was the same as phase 2 and if all lasted wayyy too long
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u/Vayne_Mechanics Feb 22 '25
I honestly enjoyed ST the most out of the level up raids. Anecdotally, the biggest reasons I saw people quit was jumping from 10 to 20 man (killed strictly friend group raids), and ST having fuck all for loot upgrades.
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u/Ruuddie Feb 22 '25
ST killed it for me that phase because of how hard it was compared to how crappy the loot was. If you were in a bad raid (I PUGged a lot), it was 2+ hours of wiping for an item with like 1 str more than the incursion set.
The phase for me was basically run incursions on all alts to boost them to 50 and get 6/6 set and the phase was over. Just get the alts ready for P4 basically.
It just wasn't worth the effort to run ST and I really wasn't gonna run that raid just for fun. To me, there was barely any fun in there.
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u/banewlf Feb 23 '25
It's two things, as mentioned:
1) Leveling is always, ALWAYS the best part of vanilla. Phase 3 has by far the worst leveling due to incursions (instead of moving around the world and constantly being on big route between quests, you were stuck in a single zone literally avoiding combat and just picking the same items up for 5-8 hours)2) The raid size shift really killed guilds built around 10 man (which was most of them). The number one thing that gets people to quit wow is for them to be disconnected from the people they were playing with. Rather than find a new group, most people just move on whenever their guild falls apart. This size shift basically caused a gigantic number to all fall apart or try to unsuccessfully merge at once.
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u/Responsible_Toe860 Feb 22 '25
WoW players hated Torghast which was a grindy roguelike. But for some reason liked incursions where you ran loops picking up items like a bot farming herbs.
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u/Rohkey Feb 22 '25
-P3 lasted almost twice as long as p2.
-The raid was significantly longer, less puggable, and on a one week lockout.
-Raid loot wasn’t much of an upgrade as they tried to dial back on power inflation, so there wasn’t much incentive to do it.
-Class balance was bad in p3, physical damage dealers were a lot better than all casters in raid and PvP balance was starting to break as well.
-Incursions weren’t fun for most.
-The STV event was reused for p3, and for casters basically had no upgrades.
-P1 and p2 were more alt friendly, so even if you ran out of things to do you could make alts and raid each 2x a week on top of the PvP events.
-Level 60/endgame was in sight but we didn’t have access to 90% of the endgame stuff.
I liked p3 for like the first few weeks but once I got bored of solo gold farming, couldn’t find BRD groups anymore, and we had ST on farm there just wasn’t much to do except ST once a week hoping for 1-2 big and highly contested upgrades among a sea of very small upgrades. And then it took forever for p4 to come out. I was also in two different guilds that fell apart in p3 because people just lost interest and didn’t want to raid or even play anymore.
Hence why it makes sense that p3 had proportionally the largest mid-phase drop in player rate (i.e., attrition) of any SoD phase. It peaked at around 200k logged raiders in week 2-3 and was down to under 40k before p4 released, 14 weeks later. Compare that to p1 and p2 which only had around a 20% difference between mid-phase peak and low player counts.
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u/boobythrowaway1 Feb 22 '25
Simple. Phase 3 got hate because it was bad
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u/CatacombsOfBaltimore Feb 22 '25
Gold exploit, grind to get next max, boring content. List goes on and on.
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u/SystemGardener Feb 22 '25
The gold exploring was drastically exaggerated but this community. It was truelly busted for at most 8 hours. In that time if someone truelly min maxed those for the entire time, it would’ve been about 1k gold. Then it got nerfed.
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u/Johnny2camels Feb 22 '25
Highly overturned raid on launch, 20-man raid with week lockout instead of 10-man on a 3 day cycle (this is what really killed the casual player base), leveling and gold trivialized due to nightmare incursions being obscenely broken on launch.
A bunch of people lvled to 50 instantly, didn’t have the time or effort to schedule raid prog with a 20-man group having just been used to 10-mans, and then quit
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u/Snotsky Feb 22 '25
1) Incursions were kinda lame to begin with.
2) “exploit early exploit often” happened with incursion gold and then more casuals got super screwed
3) Overtuned raid. The first iteration was impossibly hard, and it caused players to turtle into an ultra sweat mode. Made it harder to pug a raid when everyone is too stressed about bringing one player who can ruin the whole raid
4) The Big One: Jumping from 10 to 20 man raids. Guilds that had established and built around 10 man got wrekt hard. I think most could have overcome 1-3 if their guild didn’t fall apart. That’s my case. Guild had to merge with another, new guild was entirely too sweaty and annoying, most members of my OG guild stopped playing including myself.
Man, I miss SoD phase 1 doing goofy 10 man raids with my friends, rolling a bunch of alts, and clearing the raid multiple times a week. That to me was peak SoD and Classic+
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u/NepsHasSillyOpinions Feb 22 '25
Yeah P3 was pretty bad. My whole guild just stopped playing for a while during that phase, but we all came back for P4 onwards and now we're going strong!
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u/drankseawater Feb 23 '25
As someone who came back two weeks ago from p3. Been playing the shit out of it, my shammy is a blast
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u/IllIIllIlIlllIIlIIlI Feb 23 '25
My retail guild decided to try SoD, we managed to get 10 of us and we all leveled up and played a bit of P2 which was a bunch of fun, so much so that we got some anti-SoD players to level in secret to surprise us. We headed into p3 with nearly 15 or so of our low 20's roster after some light bullying of the non-SoDers and did ST for a few weeks.
It absolutely exploded and everyone quit in less than a month. Raids turning into 20 mans completely ruined it all but had it continued to be 10 mans we still would've been playing to this day. It didn't help that ST was also just a big pile of dog turds on top of that.
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u/Seputku Feb 23 '25
That’s when I quit as well. Loved phase 1, very meh on phase 2, lost me phase 3
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u/felplague Feb 23 '25
I quit at p3 after spending weeks farming the lock portals for the dagger, literally never got it and realized if this was a grind I was going to have to do for a single item in a single phase now, I was not going to be able to commit to this.
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u/squillb0t Feb 22 '25
Left in p3 came back a week ago and have a full BWL/AQ geared resto Druid today. Sod fun
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u/herris92 Feb 22 '25
What did you start doing when coming back? I left after MC so got full T1 but i have no idea where i should start now that i’m considering making a return.
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u/jabbiterr Feb 22 '25
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u/herris92 Feb 22 '25
Cheers! Pretty sure i have close to 100 reals as i was prepping for p5 when i lost motivation and quit. I should probably try the invasion and see what that’s all about
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u/Manccookie Feb 22 '25
Do coin runs > buy the 4 T2 bits > pug BWL/AQ and do KC. That will get you into Naxx.
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u/Wisniaksiadz Feb 23 '25
4 T1+ 4 T2 + some epics and one or two blues, im at 850 and dont even get responses after they ask for gs for BWL
which is funny cuz I today swaped on my alt T0 for T1 and despite both quality and item level increase it didnt affected my gs
I hate that addon from bottom of my heart
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u/squillb0t Feb 22 '25
Luckily I had a group w me so we just blew out reals runs and pugged bwl and aq after we got decently geared from reals
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u/Beneficial_Pay2738 Feb 22 '25
Phase 3 killed me for a bit with the whole nightmare incursion BS, my guild practically disbanded because of the jump from 10 man groups to 20, and it overall did not have the same feel as Phase 1 or 2. I came back towards the end of phase 5 and have been playing since, but nothing will ever beat Phase 1.
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u/Rud3l Feb 23 '25
I guess that's the same for 90% of the player base. P3 killed it. Too long, too lazy, 10 -25 jump and incursions as the coffin nails.
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u/BBL0101 Feb 22 '25
SoD is classic with: 1. Every spec viable 2. More than 1 button rotations 3. Flexible raid size and difficulty while still keeping all loot relevant 4. World gameplay still relevant
It’s the perfect game mode IMO.
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u/SlarkeSSC Feb 22 '25
literally just classic with wrath gameplay and a handful of modern convenience
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u/nielssk Feb 22 '25
Perhaps! But I think that also combines the best of the two, and with some new content
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u/Colonel_Planet Feb 23 '25
Yep, combines the best world with the best expansion's buttons. Its the best of both
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Feb 23 '25
This lmao its just classic with wrath/tbc spells glued on it and people go crazy like they just reinvented the entire game
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u/Doogetma Feb 23 '25
Not every spec. Arms is not viable, for example. Not meant to be a bash on sod, just a minor correction. I’m loving sod
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u/Security_Ostrich Feb 23 '25
And that is something they should have fixed. It would take an intern all of a few minutes to make arms competitive by tweaking numbers lol.
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u/Doogetma Feb 23 '25
I mean I can see why it wasn’t a priority. Playing 2H with arms talents is functionally no different feeling than playing 2H with fury talents other than sweeping strikes vs death wish trade off. In single target you can make a macro that shows the mortal strike icon for bloodthirst and you’re basically already playing arms lol
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u/Kindly_Language_652 Feb 23 '25
Same for rogue, combat tree isn't viable, but there really isn't a gameplay difference outside of not having adrenaline rush
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u/Xxcodnoobslayer69xX Feb 23 '25
I hope this is the blueprint they use for classic+ if that’s happening
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u/Nevermind04 Feb 23 '25 edited Feb 23 '25
How is SoD not classic+?
Edit: I think this question reads as argumentative/rhetorical, so I will rephrase it - the foundation of SoD is a classic vanilla wow server, plus a bunch of additions: runes, raids, dungeons, dailies, fundamental class/mechanic changes, etc. What would a classic+ experience provide that would make it more "plus" than SoD?
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u/Cripplechip Feb 23 '25
Don't think classic team gets enough credit for how much the coins have kept old content relevant. It was such a good idea, I was able to catch up because aq geared players are still running old raids for coins.
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u/PineJ Feb 23 '25
I keep trying it and keep getting overwhelmed every time and I honestly don't know why. I have multiple 40+ from P2 with my highest being 57. I've played through classic, played through retail. Idk why I get overwhelmed when I log into SoD lol.
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u/LeekTerrible Feb 22 '25
I hope they do a SoD 2 with new runes and just break it at Level 30 phase and then level 60.
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u/Gh0stMan0nThird Feb 22 '25
Honestly I thought 25 and 40 were good but 50 felt a little redundant.
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u/a_simple_ducky Feb 22 '25
Agreed. I like 30, 45, 60 too
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u/Ent3rpris3 Feb 22 '25
45 would also have made the likes of Zul'Farrak and Mara more accessible end-phase dungeons
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u/Doogetma Feb 23 '25
I would prefer a sod 2 with fewer runes and basically just the really good ones from sod. Let warriors have bloodsurge, CBR, sudden death, and taste for blood for instance. Then maybe have a couple of those compete for a few slots. Then instead of needing to spend time balancing ever changing character power they can spend more time making sick ass content like karazhan crypts
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u/Patient_Signal_1172 Feb 23 '25
It would have been fine had they done 25, 45, and 60, honestly. Throw an SM raid at 45, and everyone would have loved it all. Everyone also forgets that ST being extremely difficult to PUG meant people were burning out super fast; everyone on here wants to paint themselves as some kind of 99-parsing super gamer, instead of realizing that most people just want chill raids with friends. ST killed SoD's momentum because it was too difficult, not that many people here will admit it.
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u/blankusername2 Feb 22 '25
Makes post - gets pissed when anyone disagrees. Classic.
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u/Patient_Signal_1172 Feb 23 '25
The funny thing is: OP is anti-Classic. The guy is only here to complain about anything and everything.
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u/Postmanpatt Feb 22 '25
Naxx is a soft reset on the whole game so far. Best time to come back to the game so far.
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u/ChuggsTheBrewGod Feb 22 '25
I love hearing how bad sod is from people who don't play sod.
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u/V1_2012 Feb 22 '25
I show up to this sub specifically for those garbage takes. It's hilarious how rent free SoD is in their minds, and it never fails.
Most fun gamemode I've ever played.
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u/Dr-Enforcicle Feb 22 '25
I'm not saying it's bad
I've been playing it continuously since it released.
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u/ChuggsTheBrewGod Feb 22 '25
You may not be,but the very first post in here is shitting on SoD despite not having played it for over half of its run time.
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u/thai_iced_queef Feb 22 '25
Some of these replies are hilarious. This entire sub is either criticism of the game or people getting so butt hurt over criticism you’d think that they personally invested their own life savings into the game development.
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u/FancyConfection1599 Feb 22 '25
I’ve heard overwhelming positive reception of this phase of SoD. Really, all phases of SoD except p3.
The hate you hear is mostly from classic players who don’t / no longer play SoD and are desperately trying to validate their decision to sit out.
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u/fkntripz Feb 22 '25
What a dumpster fire of a thread. SoD rocks.
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u/Dagamier_hots Feb 23 '25
I left in p3,but I couldn’t really tell by the picture how the game is atm. Good but sloppy looking? Could you explain why its seemingly good atm?
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u/torshakle Feb 22 '25
people who don't play SoD: BLIZZARD MUST HATE ME IF THEY MADE THIS WHAT A WASTE OF RESOURCES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED ON CATACLYSM WHAT A TERRIBLE COMPANY WHY WOULD THEY MAKE THIS
people who do play SoD: wow, this is pretty neat
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u/Wild-Open Feb 22 '25
Was this meme made by someone who quit in (the admittedly terrible) phase 3 and never played again? Phase 7 has been great so far.
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u/mortalomena Feb 22 '25
P3 seemed to weed out the light hearted, now people are coming back slowly to see the possible Argent Crusade raid.
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u/moongate_climber Feb 22 '25
I just came back to SOD after quitting during ST. There is SOOOO much going on that I feel overwhelmed. I wish they hadn't let some of the earlier phases drag out as long as they did. I feel like less people would have stopped playing in phase 2 or 3.
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u/ITO_Bounty Feb 22 '25
All the level 60 content they made has been great.
ST went on too long, but everyone that stcuk around were all rewarded... It's a shame you missed out :'(
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u/yeet_god69420 Feb 23 '25
I quit in Phase 3 came back in Phase 7. Its considerably better now and frankly it feels shitty going back to raid on anniversary where I press literally 1 button
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u/Ill_Confusion_596 Feb 22 '25
The gameplay really hasn’t changed that much from P2 man. Like sure incursions were a huge mistake, but the build options and rotations are the same? What did they add too much of?
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u/Security_Ostrich Feb 23 '25
Having returned for p7 i… honestly dont see any problem with incursions. They are quite literally just a quick daily hub for alts to get caught up. Totally optional. And I didnt mind doing them a few times each either.
Whatever version of incursions yall have living rent free in your heads are long gone. They are simply daily quests and I generally enjoyed them. Once per day, 1-2 quick levels.
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u/Ill_Confusion_596 Feb 23 '25
Yeah I’m referencing the way it was dropped not their current form.
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u/obarry6452 Feb 22 '25
I haven't had this much fun in WoW in like a decade at least. SoD is a blast for a seasonal experiment. I can't go back to classic loot/build diversity now but thats just me. I'm sure others hate SoD lol
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u/Kindly_Language_652 Feb 23 '25
Ya, I 100% can never go back to base vanilla. The only issue i have for sod is that pvp is trash (but classic pvp has always been horrible in terms of balance, it was just way less bursty). The difficulties, upgraded itemization/tier sets, more healing and tank classes, wayyy better rotations... it's all so refreshing. The one main thing I want them to add is way more open world content. I want more random bs to do in the game outside of dungeon / raid. Even if it's like random open world factions like a mercenary faction that wants you to farm high level horde for reputation for sick cosmetics...
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u/TheArzonite Feb 22 '25
I often feel like I'm in the minority in that I've actually enjoyed every phase of SoD; progging HM4 naxx the last couple weeks has been incredibly fun. The biggest downer about SoD in general in my opinion is how long P3 took.
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u/FreeSockLimit1 Feb 22 '25
Who the fuck plays a version of a game intended to break the established, normal style of play and complains that it's too different ??? That's literally the point of Season of DISCOVERY, but that seems to be lost on OP. On top of all of that, choosing to create a reddit thread to piss and moan about how much was changed instead of playing the readily available version you desperately crave is truly next level Artistry.
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u/Feralbear_1 Feb 22 '25
Going through the OP's replies to comments, they seems to like to use big words they dont know the meaning of.
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u/NoTimeToWine Feb 22 '25
Just make classic+ already
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u/Shmexy Feb 22 '25
It’s called season of discovery
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u/NoHetro Feb 22 '25
nope, SoD is definitely not it, the moment you add content that completely devalues the previous ones you have lost track of the goal.
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u/lumpboysupreme Feb 22 '25 edited Feb 22 '25
Except sod keeps older content relevant for longer than vanilla? I wear some of my tier 2 set in my naxx bis, I did not do that in vanilla.
Where did you even get the impression that sod instantly devalues the previous patches stuff?
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u/-Exy- Feb 23 '25
You can wear stuff you get from MC/BWL until naxx in the majority of classes in Vanilla, idk what you're talking about.
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u/Odd-Bandicoot-9314 Feb 23 '25
Is something always not going to be classic + the second it does something people don't like?
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u/cptngabozzo Feb 22 '25
There's two camps that want two different versions of it and that's the issue. Some want classic with more, and then others want retail with classic feel and abilities. The latter is sod
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u/Darkreaper48 Feb 23 '25
others want retail with classic feel and abilities. The latter is sod
you haven't played retail or SoD lmao
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u/Security_Ostrich Feb 23 '25
I cant honestly imagine someone playing anything shadowlands or after and then going “yeah this like sod” lmao.
Sod is at most an approximation of wotlk. Not even close to retail. Current retail is so wildly unfamiliar to me that it feels like a completely different universe. Not saying its bad but it’s unrecognizable from even wotlk/cata.
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u/Stephanie-rara Feb 22 '25
Phase 5 was near perfection with SoD, but overall everything at 60 has been great.
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u/Faxingers Feb 22 '25
Shall i start it now or is it too late?
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u/Kindly_Language_652 Feb 23 '25
It's a GREAT time to start, I've been gearing an alt in all shit blues and getting geared is super fast. Dungeons give you a currency to buy all t1 and some t2 tier set gear (it'll just take a while doing dungeons for reals). Then you can do aq10 / zg for super easy gear upgrades to either get into pugs for bwl or mc. After getting some super quick upgrades because most people pass on loot in raids, you can do karazhan for sanctified gear to get into naxx (normal mode naxx is an absolute joke so it's easy to pug)
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u/ITO_Bounty Feb 22 '25
We're currently on the 3rd Naxx reset, but good news, there's lots of catch up mechanics, so you can easily jump on and get leveled and some pre-bis gear quickly.
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Feb 23 '25
Is it too late for me to start SoD? Is it nearing the end of its lifespan at this point?
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u/PerfectAd7828 Feb 23 '25
Wait! SOD is still alive? Early sod was fun but they made my guild quit in p2 or p3 dont remember anymore
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u/Testiclegolfing Feb 23 '25
I honestly don’t care about any changes they make to endgame but sod totally fucks leveling who wants to be level 15 in Mulgore one shotting all the quest mobs?
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u/pandemonious Feb 22 '25
all you people who left during p3 because of incursions are cringe, you didn't have to do it and you weren't any farther behind anyone else because of it. you're just mad you weren't insta 50 on day 1, get over yourselves lol.
SoD is and HAS BEEN great all along
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u/randomlyrandom89 Feb 22 '25
I thought 20 man raiding would be better than 10, but that was my rose tinted glasses remembering 40 man's back in the day. In hindsight 10 man was much more enjoyable.
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u/Dr-Enforcicle Feb 22 '25
The analogy being that SoD started off as "vanilla with a few changes" but now it has changed so much that it's pretty much not vanilla anymore.
This isn't BAD, it's just not vanilla. SoD is fun enough, but it's so heavily modified that it's no longer vanilla, it's Cata game design in vanilla content.
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u/ProfessionalRush6681 Feb 22 '25
Mark my words, if we ever get a classic+ with light touches people would still be furious and call "this is retail" because they gave ret paladin more than a single button to press every 10 seconds and made mage/lock not a single button shitshow.
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u/thepolesreport Feb 22 '25
If you have to explain your analogy like this, it’s a bad analogy
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u/tarzan1376 Feb 22 '25
Not really, there are a lot of dumb people who lack critical thinking skills.
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u/Nystalis Feb 22 '25
SoD is closer to “classic” than “classic” was. They’ve fixed so much stupid shit that the devs would have fixed back then had they been a problem at the time.
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u/zevx1234 Feb 23 '25
The analogy being that SoD started off as "vanilla with a few changes"
not true at all, at lvl 25 sod was already completely different from classic, it wasnt "vanilla with a few changes" ever
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u/Cliepl Feb 22 '25
SoD feels like turning on cheats honestly
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u/Riavan Feb 22 '25
But the sod raids are harder than anything classic had. They have real boss mechanics lol.
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u/Cliepl Feb 22 '25
Those are the only fights it doesn't feel like having cheats, the rest of the game is a cakewalk though. It's just not what I like, I didn't say it's bad.
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u/Riavan Feb 22 '25
Every spec also has a rotation. Unlike one-two button spam for most of the classic specs, if they even work.
It might feel like cheats now in open world pve, since they just give you all runes from the start and you have lik 300% XP to catchup. But open world pve wasn't really that far from classic during the real phases. All the mobs and their moves were buffed too. You also no longer have to deal with the pvp events taking over zones.
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u/SightlessIrish Feb 22 '25
Did they ever make warrior more enjoyable? I quit after a few weeks of P3 as well
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u/Madstealth Feb 22 '25
That's the reason I ultimately quit I'm glad people are having fun but this is too far from classic for me. Hopefully, we get something a little more laid back and closer to Vanilla if they do true classic+
I was hoping for something more akin to TBC classes in a Vanilla world but is what it is I just hope they don't take the wrong lessons from it
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u/RepulsiveWay1698 Feb 22 '25
I miss playing SOD with my guild so much. My guild died trying to make the move to retail and honestly my life is completely empty now. SOD P1 was the only thing that came close to 2019 classic or 2006 vanilla
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u/Trustyduck Feb 23 '25
Imagine quitting in phase 3 because you have the attention span of a gnat. Then imagine not coming back for phase 4 when it was starting to get really good. Then imagine looking at all these phase releases and thinking you couldn't catch up with gear.
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u/Ghenorius Feb 23 '25
I need them to make tank, dps, and healer specs for every class. That way we can never complain about not having a tank for strath
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u/AdGroundbreaking3566 Feb 23 '25
I love SoD. I played p1 and returned for the current one and it's so nice.
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u/Huntyadown Feb 23 '25
Is it worth starting SoD right now? I feel like I’d be so far behind. I am playing anniversary right now
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u/glompo-the-unburdene Feb 23 '25
It was never good? Inhale copium and keep paying that sub, you'll never be a streamer, you have no personality.
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u/missegan26 Feb 23 '25
How long would it take me to get to 60 from 32? Considering coming back but Ive done vanilla too many times. I dont have it in me to level but the endgame changes look awesome.
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u/Scoonie24 Feb 23 '25
Man looking back, the SoD launch was an absolute blast, it really felt like something new. How the community was working together, finding runes. I hope Blizz knows the gem they created in that first phase and makes something like this again
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u/New_Preparation22 Feb 23 '25
The left one you enjoy alone. The right one you share with your new found friends. Perfect picture!
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u/sickseed Feb 24 '25
People that quit in p3 aren’t real gamers. They just love you complain about it over and over again
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u/zero_fox_actual Feb 24 '25
I've only been playing for about a month now, and it looks like I missed out on some weird stuff, but I'm enjoying playing again after a very long time away.
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u/Beneficial-Data-7675 Feb 24 '25
Another phase 1 enjoyers rant.
Ppl keep talking about phase 3, we are in phase 7 now.
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u/Ok-Stop9242 Feb 25 '25
I started my first SoD character about a week ago and I'm having tons of fun. Yeah some of the things do feel like a little much at times and nightmare incursions definitely could've had more effort put in them to be more fun but it's alright. Being able to level up a paladin in classic without it being a slog is nice.
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Feb 26 '25
At this point I'm just afraid to find out i love it, put time and effort into it, then find out it's just dissolving in a month or two. Never been a fan of seasonal content
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u/DeltaTwenty Feb 22 '25
Stuck with it all the way through thanks to an amazing guild
Getting my Atiesh rn bby