r/classicwow • u/Banjo-Hellpuppy • 1d ago
Classic 20th Anniversary Realms AV players: Please tell me what you think
I do not like AV. I never have. I think it is the least exciting BG in all of WoW. I have always just ignored it for the most part. This time, I decided that I would get the white puppy dog. I have never done it, and now, I'm going to. I have been banging my shield against Van for the past couple of days, and frankly, I'm going insane. Today, starting at about 9am, I got a ridiculous idea and decided that I would RP walk from the cave to Dun Baldur and only draw my blade to challenge Vanndar Stormpike. That's what I did. I would /wave and /hi to every Horde and Alliance that I came across. I had singular focus and would not soil my blade until I sank it into the heart of my true enemy. I called it my march for peace. There is no reason for all that bloodshed. Vanndar and I could settle it in single combat.
Some were confused and did not understand, sending me back to the graveyard to begin my journey again. Other's respected my quest and carried on, or waved back. A few times some even joined me in my quest. Horde and Alliance alike have walked by my side today. It was dumb and fun. I made it as far as Dun Baldur bridge before the match ended on more than one occasion. One such time, I had a retinue of 5 or 6 players, horde and alliance that were escorting me. The last few matches, I began to report what I was witnessing on my journey. "Alliance were attacking Tower Point GY, but Goff and his fellow raiders were able to fend them off" "Dawgydawg is facing Commander Randolf in single combat" "Shamtastik defeated a gnome mage in single combat" "Ryz is defending SHB with his comrades" etc etc
This brings me to my question. Several times today a player would request that I be reported for afk. In most cases, I would explain in raid chat that I was on a march for peace, and that would be the end of it. However, at around 3 pm today a player (who I won't name) just wouldn't let it go. He was constantly campaigning for me to get banned. It started almost immediately. He obviously thought of himself as Drek'thar's fluffer because he was ordering troops to different parts of the field and insulting the troop as a whole when they didn't satisfy his demands. He decided from the earliest moments that I was not worthy to share a battlefield with him. There were many players in the same chat who were openly supporting me. They were enjoying what I was doing. I was absolutely not afk. I did not walk in a straight line. I avoided obstacles, I heralded the deeds of players in the chat. I was on the same mission as they were: to kill Vanndar Stormpike. I was kicked for afk just before the end of the battle. I was walking across the Dun Baldur bridge.
My question is: Did I violate the terms of service by not mounting up to slam myself against other players and NPCs as fast as possible? OR Did that shiftless loser with no sense of imagination, sense of humor, self worth, or self confidence violate the terms of service by abusing the mass reporting system?
I ask you, who's opinions I value above all others.
EDIT: Thanks to everyone who responded. Even the lame ones who think it takes absolutely 40 players and not 39 to kill a bunch of npcs. You'll be happy to know that I hit exalted today, and will hopefully never have to experience that POS excuse for a BG ever again.
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u/UnderstandingTrue740 22h ago
I saw you and just thought you were suffering from AV brain rot. Not reading all that but seems like I was right.
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u/Asrok13 1d ago
Vanilla AV was the greatest BG made. Games could took days, but it was fun as heck. Summoning both bosses and still not being able to swing the tide in the battle.
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u/TheDesktopNinja 1d ago
I still would love them to bring back OG AV every now and then as a week-long event. Make it a separate queue from normal AV, but still give honor and maybe add some extra fun cosmetic rewards
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u/grannygumjobs23 1d ago
It would be played minimally. The name of the game is efficency now.
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u/TheDesktopNinja 1d ago
Which is why you make it a limited holiday for like a week twice a year and give it special rewards (perhaps for completing the various objectives that were removed or trivialized). Like the troll that was in the middle could drop something idk.
It wouldn't be for honor, necessarily. Just to let people experience the old version. I never really got to play it myself since my computer was AWFUL and AV was brutal for it.
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u/pokepat460 22h ago
Sure but put it out in like 2 months when all the sweats have r14. Then efficiency isn't a factor since the people concerned with that already maxed out.
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u/Bloodhound01 16h ago
All yhey need to do is remove the stupid fucking honor system and hust make it a traditional xp bar. The losing honor thing and limited rank ups is what makes it so shit and causes everyone to rush.
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u/Eve_not_adam 1d ago
10/10 A lot of AV players are trolling or tired irritated adults. As long as you aren’t that guy that keeps capping SFGY on entry, you cool.
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u/VEGAAA 20h ago
I've never been brave enough to do it but why is it we always skip that graveyard? Is it to stop them rezzing closer to home?
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u/GenericUsername_71 19h ago
Because without sfgy, the alliance are forced to respawn in their cave, and they’re more likely to defend. In turn this makes the game longer for both sides
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u/shadowmeldop 1d ago
SFGY has never been a factor.
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u/fakemessiah 14h ago
Most games wind up being semi turtle anyway so getting sfgy allows defense to recap. Most of the time offense sits in road and fights anyway.
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u/shadowmeldop 12h ago edited 12h ago
It's unnecessary. There are games no one even bothers taking it and you can't tell the difference. Once in a blue moon someone will make use of it but since SH and IB exist, it's really pointless, since both of those should be either faction's choke point anyway.
In fact you aren't even understanding OP's post. He's complaining that it's even being capped which makes zero sense anyway, further proves my point.
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u/Eve_not_adam 6h ago
I see what you’re saying and I do agree that turtles are more and more common by choice. Horde instinctively rush to cap SH, so capping SF in the same breath is just another opportunity for a prolonged game of smash. That is all, we don’t have to agree.
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u/Ravien_Gaming 1d ago
It's understandable not everyone would appreciate what you're doing. After all, they are out there trying to win and having someone on their team who is not trying at all can be very frustrating. That said, what you're doing sounds really cool and if you got people to walk with you you're technically contributing to the battle by taking enemy forces off the field.
You can't control whether people will report you over it, but it actually is against the ToS for people to tell others to report someone. If you get someone who keeps trying to get people to report you and someone reports them they may find themselves silenced or suspended.
Basically, what you're doing is going to cause some people to report you and that's understandable. It's a risk you take, but likewise others can't control how you play and this is a mmoRPG. People forget that sometimes. Blizzard will sort it out in the end. If you get hit by an account action over it then you know it's best not to do it, but if you don't then keep at it.
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u/fuckfuck9001 1d ago
Youre no better than the people sitting in the cave all day, play the game or stop queueing dude. It doesnt matter if youre moving around obstacles or not, youre wasting a spot just the same
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u/TrenRey 1d ago
People have spoken. You got kicked because it's not the culture of AV that is wanted. Respect their voices.
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u/Banjo-Hellpuppy 13h ago
There were people. Quite a few, in fact, that were in support. It’s more like there’s a way to manipulate the reporting system to punish but not a way to defend someone. If there was an /kick vote like in LFD, that would be one thing, but it’s not.
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u/TrenRey 13h ago
Is it difficult you to see why your actions bother some of the people? You're having fun, but at others expense. I'm not saying you should stop doing what you're doing. Just accept the fact that you might get booted and do it anyway. You have the right to fool around and they have the right to condemn it.
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u/Banjo-Hellpuppy 13h ago
Nah, I know why some people are bothered by it. They hate freedom and they hate fun.
“Ggrrrrr it’s Friday and must honor cappppppp. Mmmmmussstttt maximize rank fourteeeeeeeennnnnn!!”
“WHAT?!!?!! What is this person doing?! His actions are not exactly like mine!!!! REPORT REPORT REPOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!”
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u/Dasneaky71 9h ago
So question did you contribute to the Bg like caping flags and killings the wandering npc?
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u/FamouzLtd 15h ago
Would probably not report you but I mean, It is pretty obviously griefing. Like what
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u/chubbycanine 15h ago
Are you on a RP server? If not you're basically sabotaging gameplay. You're not contributing to team fights You're not trying to cap any of the objectives you say you're trying to kill vann but never even made it past the bridge. I wouldn't rage and crash out over something like this but reporting you for gameplay sabotage isn't entirely out of the question either.
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u/Banjo-Hellpuppy 14h ago
Every server is an RP server considering this is an mmoRPg. Also, there are no rppvp bgs. I suppose the rp could stand for rank pain. I never thought about it like that
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u/chubbycanine 13h ago
No, servers that are specifically designated as role-playing servers are role-playing servers. That's why they make the distinction. If you want to do this fine, but take it to those servers or expect to be reported for sabotaging gameplay.
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u/Banjo-Hellpuppy 13h ago
How many RP servers are on anniversary? If you can’t admit that the RP in RPG is “role playing” then I’m not sure what there is to talk about.
I know it’s not popular to say this, but minmaxing and sweating for parses is actually not the way the game is designed to be played. Players have turned the game into something that it’s not. That’s all fine and well, but it’s not what the game was made for.
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u/funkusz 1d ago
This is what classic wow is all about, and people have forgotten that.
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u/FamouzLtd 15h ago
Queueing a team game mode and then actively griefing your teammates is what classic wow is all about?
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u/lvl1-A 1d ago
Afk not afk, non PvP participant possibly since you are kind of just spectating, BUT av is a mess so props to you for finding something to sooth your mental while doing it.
The kicked for afk isn't likely because of reports it is more than likely because the game treated you as afk, essentially as I said before a non participant, walking/running/riding isn't enough to stay in a match if you aren't doing anything else, otherwise every afk dude would be auto run down mid and never be removed from a match, I just suspect you were removed from the match because reports or no reports you likely didn't cast anything for 5min prior so the game treated you as afk and you'd have been removed regardless of any interactions in chat.
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u/Banjo-Hellpuppy 23h ago
nah. i did it for about 5 hours. It wasn't an automated afk. Walking in a straight line or against a wall can get you afk'd in game, but if you touch the keys the game treats you as active.
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u/lvl1-A 21h ago
I mean the game that you were in at that instance, touching keys like movement and jump isn't enough to keep you in a match, you can be touching keys walking jumping emoting and still be kicked out for 5mins lack of activity, only combat related spells as far as I am aware will keep you in as being active.
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u/Banjo-Hellpuppy 5h ago
What I am saying is I literally did it for over 5 hours. The only match I got kicked from was the last one at 3 pm. Also, I got kicked at the end of the match like 15-20 minutes in. If it was an auto kick due to inactivity, it would have happened in one of the other 15ish matches I was in.
I’m not arguing philosophically. I’m saying if that was an auto kick feature, I would have triggered it many more times.
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u/lvl1-A 2h ago
So in the match you were in, the very last match that you were kicked from, the 5 mins prior to being kicked you participated in combat or were you just walking and typing, like the immediate 5 min prior to being removed from the match. You can't be auto kicked for inactivity from another instance so any of the matches prior wouldn't affect it.
It may have just been a match that you had 5 min of no spells or combat where in the other matches or you walking maybe you autod something or cast a buff on another player so you never were out of bounds of the inactivity monitor.
Either way, I don't suspect it's from previous games because even if you were afk in those you might not be afk in the current, and if it was a roll on of number of reports against you it probably wouldn't just auto remove you with coward but disconnect and temp ban you instead for afk in avs, the fact you were auto removed from the instanced match makes me believe an action in that instance caused the auto afk flag to boot you out. But only blizzard will know.
Also I mean the fact you went 5+ hours without it happening before when what you are explaining you were doing is pretty funny, kinda surprised it didn't happen earlier.
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u/Banjo-Hellpuppy 1h ago
Does reporting some one for afk in av get them banned from wow or kicked from the bg?
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u/Rystarvz 9h ago
This is just as bad for game success as people farming field honor (in some ways better, as he isn’t sending anyone back to closer GYs).
I would have just laughed and kept playing.
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u/Banjo-Hellpuppy 4h ago
Can you get kicked for staying in Field of Strife and picking people off?!
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u/Rystarvz 2h ago
You can get kicked for playing absolutely perfect if enough people report. So just do you and enjoy!
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u/No_Negotiation9571 5h ago
Yes you qued for a BG either fight or get reported
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u/Banjo-Hellpuppy 4h ago
Sadly, I never got the chance to fight. Now I’m honor capped for the week and exalted with Frostwolf. I don’t think I’ll ever go back.
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u/Achmed_Ahmadinejad 1d ago
You're enjoying playing the BG. That's something the max honor per hour people have forgotten how to do.
Edit: Fuck 'em
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u/FamouzLtd 15h ago
No, hes literally not playing the bg.
Hes queueing up to RP walk for some reason
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u/Achmed_Ahmadinejad 12h ago
He' playing the RP game his way, with an RP walk. Ultimately he IS playing the BG in that his final objective is to kill the big boss. It's just the opposite of a zerg.
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u/FamouzLtd 12h ago
I can kind of see your point but I feel like if you're going to queue up for group content and start RPing by yourself while actively hindering the team you're griefing.
Imagine your tank in your dungeon group decides to rp walk everywhere because "thats just their RP"
Sure they have the right to RP but does it have to grief other people that are trying to play the game?
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u/Achmed_Ahmadinejad 12h ago
Let's say I want to play the game by defending all my bases and taking theirs until it's time to go kill the big boss. Am I hindering the game for those who just want to zerg?
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u/Banjo-Hellpuppy 4h ago
If 2 people wanted to kick the tank and 2 people wanted to keep him, what would happen? Also, would blizzard get involved in that situation?
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u/FamouzLtd 4h ago
In that scenario they would keep the tank and probably kick the people that wanted to kick him and blizzard would not get involved at all
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u/Moxey616 1d ago
Your a chad but gameplay wise its also understandable to report you to get kicked. I hope this inspires more people to do this
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u/Pkock 1d ago
I appreciate this type of AV madness. When you're locked in this shit the (for lack of a better term) BG Clowns create enjoyment. The BG chat banter is what sustains me at times.
I probably would have walked with you if I queued into you. Every other game doesn't really matter. It's just a grind and we're all in it.
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u/Curtkid6 20h ago
Horde warrior demands honorable combat with an Alliance warrior. Both sides are on board with this until one guy just HAS to be the big man, whip his dick out, and ruin it for everyone.
A tale as old as The Alliance-Horde conflict itself, sadly.
I'm sorry you never got your duel with Vann, as an Alliance player, I can assure you the old dwarf himself was in a bad mood about it too.
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u/ClosingFrantica 16h ago
Personally, I'd take any novelty to break the monotony of that god-forsaken place that is AV. So many players in there are just pretending to contribute anyway, you're at least making it fun.
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u/StrayshotNA 19h ago
My rank 14 final game/500k game AV in both classic, and SoD I stood mid field and dueled anyone who came to fight.
AV is hell. Get your fun however you can.
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u/Explodagamer 1d ago edited 23h ago
I wouldn’t report you, but this could easily count as gameplay sabatoge, do it at your own risk of ban. Normally doing something once you won’t get actioned, but over and over you probably could.