r/classicwow • u/ObligationOk9177 • 1d ago
Classic 20th Anniversary Realms Is this okay? or kind of f#&ed up?
I recently ran an UBRS with a full pug group, and the two warriors in the group both needed on briarwood reed and one of them won it over a mage and an hpally. I'm really curious to know what people think about this.
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u/Dahns 1d ago
Guy's an asshole
There's so little casters and healer want from UBRS and fury keep begging them to come with them. And when it finally drop, they steal it from it
"Diamound flask" bullshit. I cleared Naxx without it. Guy should be on everyone's blacklist
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u/TheRealMajour 1d ago
That’s why I truly believe mega servers are dumb and they should go back to normal servers. You can’t blacklist someone on a mega server, but you can have a reputation on a smaller server.
Granted, the wow community often thinks this kind of stuff is funny so you can’t truly blacklist someone for ninja because the comms will just troll whoever tries to call them out.
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u/GarageEuphoric4432 1d ago
Normal servers keep failing, leaving only mega servers.
Granted blizzard keeps pouring gasoline on the fire by allowing paid transfers, but just about every iteration of wow ends up being mega servers.
The players keep naturally creating them because it's what the majority want.
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u/iHaveComplaints 1d ago edited 1d ago
The normal servers fail because population falls too low, not because the people who rolled on them wanted more all along. Mega servers are not what the majority want. It is the result of Blizzard refusing to implement a better solution from all that they have learned. The first solution (from 2004) worked because WoW was a phenomenon and there was a constant stream of new players into the servers. And the issue was further compounded (in 2019, the main example in discussion on this) by PvP imbalance, which was entirely Blizzard's fault.
This line of bullshit must stop being repeated, and especially so secondhand by people who heard it and are repeating it. This is not naturally created by [the wants of individual] players and it's incredibly obvious if you actually saw what happened and spend any time at all actually thinking about it. You can make a case for something like tragedy of the commons but that, again, is Blizzard's responsibility.
There were a fuckton of healthy medium pop servers from classic launch even when the high pop "streamer server" was known. There were a fuckton of players who stuck it out on their medium pop servers as long as possible until there was simply no choice but to transfer to the emerging megaserver. And there were a fuckton of players who were forced to transfer multiple times because, before their final transfer to the megaserver, they transfered specifically to a not mega server. Players want medium-high pop servers.
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u/Anhydrite 1d ago
And the larger the raid size the bigger the server has to be to support guilds maintaining a roster against attrition. During Naxx my server was dying and those last couple months were making it pretty hard to find a consistent 40. At least with Grobb dying right now I'm in a 10 man guild and we only need to pug at most 2 people if our raiders are out for the week.
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u/GarageEuphoric4432 1d ago
Hard disagree.
If players wanted that server type, we'd be seeing it. But history shows us that it's absolutely not the case.
We see it all the time, especially on PvP servers. Players stop playing, sometimes one faction more then the other, it makes it worse for that faction who are now more pressured to leave causing a chain reaction until it's a "PvP" server of one faction.
When those players transfer off, very, very few go " gee, not being allowed to play the game is fun, I'm going to transfer to a same situation or worse server" the vast majority go to whatever server has the highest pop for their faction, which then fucks that servers balance and the issue snowballs.
PvE players generally congregate towards whatever server has the best prospects of fellow raiders, as low pop = struggle bus for raids. Naturally forming high pop mono faction servers despite no PvP happening.
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u/iHaveComplaints 1d ago edited 1d ago
Reread the post to which you replied. You essentially repeated me and then stated the opposite conclusion.
The one thing I'll say in refutation is that when players choose a healthy server to which to transfer, acting in their individual best interest, and collectively destabilize that server, it is not their preference. One person choosing a server where they will not be outnumbered does not make that choice for everyone else and they do not do so with an ultimate goal of a mono-faction megaserver. It is the result of the original fuckup that caused the need for them to be allowed to transfer, then set up for them to do so in a poorly regulated fashion. All Blizzard's fault and nothing to do with players wanting megaservers - which you must recall was your original argument.
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u/GarageEuphoric4432 1d ago
It's not all blizzards fault, and I never claimed it was, just that they have a hand in fucking up servers sometimes. When servers were dying off to PvP growing and people were crying here every day about it, and servers were dying as a result everyone begged blizzard to please open transfers. All of those people went straight to mega servers. The servers die due to player and player behaviors, blizzard just helps finish them off.
Players actively, time and time again, through every iteration of classic, have chosen to go to the highest number of people.
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins 1d ago
Normal servers keep failing
I mean they don’t actually, plenty survive. And those that do can be merged to sort population problems.
Yes there are some downsides but the overall result is better than whatever the fuck this is. I played a single layer server all of 2019 classic and it was great.
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u/SailorGirl29 1d ago
I agree! I miss when there were social boundaries like not poaching other guilds because the GMs all knew each other.
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u/kevinsrednal 1d ago
It's incredibly fucked up. But it happens all the god damn time. Happened in 2019, and is just gonna be worse this time around. They can probably kill rend even if all the casters and healers drop because hes such a pushover, but they should all probably leave anyways just in case, maybe they'll have to reform to get another chance at dalrends and stuff.
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u/greetingsfrommajorit 1d ago
Would instantly leave group. Clowns.
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u/Lifeloverme 1d ago
could also wait a little and totem pull into the rend event. so they wipe and lose the lockout
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u/lasantamolti 1d ago
If you want it for your df set, HR it.
Would love to see this warrior if a paladin rolls a pre bis piece off him for ret. Fucking hypocrites
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u/Doxbox49 1d ago
lol, a warrior in my guild did this. He HR’ed it for sippy. Everyone though mage leader wanted it. Got a little weird after he took it. A hunter then won MH from rend and it got super toxic. Listening to him describe this run in discord was so funny
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u/VanOurkr 1d ago
Of course he wins it too. Why wouldn’t he? Also it’s messed up. Wouldn’t roll on it as a warrior.
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u/Chronic_Knick 1d ago
Diamond flask item over spellcaster BiS is bullshit. Not right and should get you kicked from any decent guild
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u/rundown001 1d ago
nope, if a caster/healer needs something that is always prio over DF set
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u/tubbyscrubby 1d ago
Warriors asking "anyone mind if I need" are allowed to roll on anything for diamonds flask unless someone says something to the tune of, "yeah, I need that".
Warriors that don't ask this first, should be blacklisted.
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u/Local-Operation2307 1d ago
The guy rolling on the diamond flask is the same type of guy to constantly mention how shit retail is compared to classic.
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u/Stampbearpig 1d ago
Yet another piece of human garbage in classic wow.
Im shocked /s
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u/No_Villagsssss 1d ago
If the name got out I'd hope the healer need on sgc during arena run, I know I would
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u/Deliverz 1d ago
Yeah that’s shit. Only reason those casters are there probably and I’d bet good money they wouldn’t have came if they knew warriors were rolling it
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u/TheCLittle_ttv 15h ago
It’s fucked. As the lead, kick them or disband the group there.
Warriors only get to roll on flask set items after the casters choose not to.
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u/Sephentos1993 13h ago
Warriors are the biggest losers in classic wow, they get babysat 24/7 because their class is just by far the strongest, they get ragemobs before boss pulls, meanwhile everyone else is 30% mana bc of the chain pulling, they get all their gear first bc they are tanks, they are ridiculous enough to roll on heal gear for a single item, that you dont even use for the healing effect 99% of the time, its good bc of the 75 str
And none of them are willing to help tank a dungeon for new players so they can get their gear, 25 warriors per raid, but when it comes to tanking dmn for the 4 healing bis items that drop there suddenly nobody has the time, or they don't tank.... you have 4k hp unbuffed, you CAN tank every dungeon, charge in and cleave and its okay
I swear for every half decent warrior there's 20 absolute egoistic cunts
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u/tepig099 1h ago
To be frank, I have no reason to be in dungeons, except for SGC, Second Wind, Ironfoe, Bloodmail Boots, Animated Chain Necklace +33 healing, Briarwood Reed, and Valor Chest for the (Tier 0.5 quest chain in the future.) Maybe Mugger’s Belt and Distracting Dagger, if I want to tank and/or have fun with Daggers.
I try to warn everyone I will roll on healing gear, because that’s all I need, I beat two people on Stonespine’s Healing Boots, I warned them. They stayed on my group, plus I’m like 2 slots in the party at once, I’m DPS top 2 and the Tank. I’m carrying you.
With Elemental Sharpening Stones and Elixir of the Mongoose pots being so expensive… I’d rather be farming, so if I’m going into a Dungeon, I want a chance at the loot.
Yeah, stealth fixing the Healing mechanic of Diamond Flask would suck… it’s one of the few ways I can get an upper hand in WPvP and heal while farming.
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u/Sephentos1993 26m ago
Holy fuck exactly, "
plus I’m like 2 slots in the party at once, I’m DPS top 2 and the Tank. I’m carrying you
No you are not, you are just a warrior, by being semi afk you will be top2 in dps at all times in a 5man group, because your class is the best, you have 1 job nobody else can do properly, get the shit beat out of you without dying, and press taunt when something goes wrong,
Bloodmail boots is an extremely common drop, the fact that you dont have them just means you dont even do enough dungeons for your own drops, so obviously you're one of them that wouldn't help your guildies get gear just because they need a tank
muggers belt is also kromkrush, who also has prebis healer boots, which literally everyone needs, get a guild healer, go dmn buff runs and kill kromkrush, do that 3x, and you have the belt and heal has the boots, no excuse that you dont have it, but I guess you would just roll on the fullmoon boots yourself and after you have them you would never go back to kill kromkrush again bc why would you?
Now don't get my wrong, you have no obligation to help randoms in lfg get a tank for their runs, but in my experience there's ALWAYS someone needing a tank for some gear farm in the guild, and 20/21warriors think like you, "nothing in it for me personally so why the fuck would I help others 🤢" which brings my back to my assessment of most warriors being egoistic cunts
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u/Aurc9 1d ago
Why block out the names? Let people know who the people are so they can be avoided.
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u/kevinsrednal 1d ago
Because his options are:
block out the names, and people can see the post except for the names.
or
don't block out the names, and no one gets to see any of it, including the names.
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u/Empty_Curve_1821 1d ago
There is no need to care about an absolute bis diamond flask set. Warriors rolling on Reed are cringe.
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u/Trinica93 1d ago
It was toxic in 2019 and it will be toxic this time, too. It's entirely Blizzard's fault, they fixed this in SoM and chose not to implement the fix this time around.
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u/Wolfspirit4W 1d ago
Yeah, that's pretty messed up. I'm a warrior working on a flask set and I would never take gear over someone that could actively use it
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u/PuertoRicanProfessor 22h ago
Any warrior saying "diamond flask BiS" is a shit sipper. Period. Full stop.
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u/TheMountainPass 1d ago
Had one of these clowns ninja roll need on my healing neck in strat UD even after I said I didn’t have and need
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u/Jimblobb 1d ago
Most of these clowns won't even use a flask set where its actually beneficial, or they would have the IQ not to roll if someone actually needs it. (Warrior main wgo always runs phase bis flask set)
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u/1sland3r58 1d ago
Hunters get shitted on for SRing cht in raids but here we have warriors rolling on caster gear. Oh the absurdity.
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u/tarnishedRoseMaster 1d ago
Warriors gonna do what they do best, but don't worry he has Hell waiting for him when he gets to raid and has to win a 1/20 roll off for every bis item or of gdkp comrs back dish out 10× what any other bis item costs.
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u/aldernon 1d ago
Taking it over a caster… let them pull the next pack, let them die, ask how effective that flask set was, then kick them from group.
Taking it over DE, 100% okay.
But if a caster needs, the warriors need to either give the caster significant gold or trade it to the caster… or else they’re not worth carrying in the group.
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u/CheddarFart 1d ago
If I didn’t immediately leave the group I would stay and need on all remaining tank gear and disenchant it right in front of them
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u/Zerxin 1d ago
Bro I saw a mage roll on rend main hand the other day. Half the fight is arranging a group to kill a boss and actually get the drop. The rest of it is just hoping and praying that a member of your group isn’t completely fucking regarded. Which isn’t that hard by classic player standards.
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u/KnuxSD 19h ago
what diamond flask i thought this is about a wand i am so confused
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u/Kamikatzentatze 5h ago
Warrior trinket with 9 health per seconds for 1 min which scales with +heal. Using it before the fight and switching back to tank gear gives you up to 1,000 health per minute.
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u/Wonderful-Addition68 15h ago
Better to raid/group with a guild this time around, this week a ret pala won sapphiron drape (said he needs the frost resist for kelthuzad) , im a mage and only other person that rolled and everyone was seemingly fine with him winning it for “kelthuzad”
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u/Shimatte 12h ago
Only slightly fucked up because I assume he doesn't mention he would roll on it previously, but this is a very important item for tanks, so don't be so surprised.
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u/imorphius 11h ago
Well to answer your question, yes it is okey since they can need on it. It’s not morally cool, but in terms of rules by blizzard they are in the clear to need on anything they want
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u/LocalWap 18h ago
I’m a warrior main, I would need on this if all my healers and offspec healers had it already and I had express consent that it would just get disenchanted otherwise. Guys a tool needing over a main spec healer
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u/DN6666 1d ago
this is your average noob warrior fully guided by youtube, in reality you just take r14 healing mace + healing enchant and that’s more than enough, ud robe or reed is excessive and lame
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u/Man_under_Bridge420 1d ago
just take r14 mace.
You think these newbs will hit rank 14??
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u/kevinsrednal 1d ago
Yes, absolutely. The lowest bottom of the barrel will be hitting R14. The main barrier against r14 is having both a job and a family. R14 is practically free for those with only one or the other, or in many cases of players like this, neither.
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u/Korotan 1d ago
Sorry have never played a Warrior in Classic, only Warlock, can someone explain this to me?
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u/Freecraghack_ 1d ago
there's a trinket called diamond flask that gives you some str and self healing over a minute. But for some reason it has stupidly good scaling with spellpower/healing power and you can activate the trinket with a full healer set and then change your gear back to normal and still get the healing. It allows warriors to get insane self healing for 1 minute with a 6min cd.
Kinda broken as fuck, but stealing caster/healer loot for it is just rude as hell
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u/Original-Carob7196 1d ago
Yeah fuck that, this is the same to me as hunters rolling need on every weapon while leveling. Just put him on ignore and ditch the party.
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u/garakplain 1d ago
What’s this addon that shows everyone’s rolls?
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u/kevinsrednal 1d ago
It's not an addon lmao, its a built in feature of the game.
Type '/loot' to open it up.
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u/Key-Proof-1673 1d ago
did the guy get resssed?
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u/ObligationOk9177 1d ago
so the warrior that won the reed immediately got yeeted into the welp eggs and died and nearly wiped us lol the healer reluctantly ressed him
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u/awake283 1d ago
If a healer in the raid needs it ofc they should have priority. Diamond Flask is the most overrated item in the game I swear to Elune.
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u/Truly_not_a_redditor 1d ago
These greedy manchildren are the reason why WoW finally introduced personal loot, a sad but necessary feature.
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u/throwawaySY32323232 22h ago
Nothing you can really do other than posting them on the discord. Happens all the time
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u/BiggestBlackestLotus 21h ago
How do you open that loot rolls window? I opened it yesterday by accident and couldnt figure out how I did it.
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u/Ethereal_Bulwark 20h ago
Mmo players only give a shit about one thing.
Making their numbers go up.
Even at the expense of friends, and anyone else who may need their numbers to go up significantly more.
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u/ItsMatoskah 19h ago
The warriors are dicks. don't heal them, name and shame and let them die before your hearth out so they get a higher repair bill.
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u/InfinMD2 19h ago
This is when you stay silent, make them suffer through 80% of the Jed RP, then kick em 1:30 before boss spawns so they have wasted their time before they get hearthed out and message em that Dal'rends dropped
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u/throwawayr4bbit 11h ago
Can someone explain what diamond flask is to a noob?
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u/tbrown47 8h ago edited 8h ago
there is a trinket called diamond flask from a warrior quest that gives 75 str for a minute. which is already a really solid trinket for any fight that lasts around a minute. it also has a random throwaway stat of like 9 healing per 5 seconds on it. people figured out the healing from the trinket scales 100% with +healing on gear. so if you put on full healing gear then pop it you can get a heal every 5 seconds for a minute for well over 1000 (you can get over 2000 with crazy gear). after you pop it you can then swap back to your normal DPS gear (leave diamond flask still on) and pump damage while having a giant heal on you for a minute. warriors can actually get the most bonus healing because they can dual wield healer weapons while being able to wear any armor type. most healer weapons are main hand only but a few are one hand and able to be dual wielded. the dagger from chromaggus is one, and most infamously the grand marshal healing mace.
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u/realkale 5h ago
A priest in wc rolled on skum cape last night on HC, he won it, I traded him an int spirit cloak so he would trade to a rogue or shammy in dungeon. Bro disenchanted the skum cape claiming he couldn’t trade it and called me a kid for suggesting that he could trade any blue in dungeon with other people he ran the dungeon with.
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u/TonyMacaroni29 4h ago
That seems to be what we are dealing with now with the current player base, lost a pair of healing pants to a mage yesterday because they saw a blue cloth item, it’s getting bad.
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u/Kevo_1227 1d ago
Sip Sets aren't even needed, man. Like, having a really good Sip Set is useful for SOLOing shit, but even as a tank, the impact it has is almost non-existent in raid content. It's almost all overhealing on any boss where you're taking any significant damage because your healers will constantly be topping you off, and if the boss doesn't hit that hard so they can afford to let you dip a bit, then who gives two shits?
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u/Firther1 1d ago
Diamond flask users as a whole are cring af.
Sets only purpose is to give spergs slightly higher fake epeen points then their peers
"bUt iT's BiS!" Bullshit. That's the jankiest garbage i've ever seen
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u/Smerfis 11h ago
Diamond Flask and Healing Gear allows us to solo zul farrak for gold, the only way warriors can possibly make money solo in a genuinely “okay, stable manner” so yes I think it’s actually fine.
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u/Brokkenpiloot 10h ago edited 10h ago
this is bullshit. plenty of money in different ways. as a hunter I farm all kinds of mobs in the world netting 60-100g/h.
just find your niche. plenty of those can be done as a warrior too.
for example: frostsaber eko (though its better grouped, its still very good solo) (this is 40-60g/h depending on eko prices and other drops) elementals in silithus (when there is little competition this can be 75-100g). recently ive had times with almost no competition.
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u/Freecraghack_ 1d ago
warrior player: I would never take "diamond flask" gear over a caster or healer, that shits stupid and cringe af