r/classicwow • u/LarperPro • 1d ago
Classic 20th Anniversary Realms Anyone interested in a 'no guides, no DBM' guild that plays Vanilla like it's 2004?
I have an idea for a theme based guild and I want to gauge interest.
It is common knowledge Vanilla PvE is pretty easy strategy and gameplay wise, however it requires grinding and a gearcheck.
I never really raided Vanilla and I am annoyed by the tryharding requirements and am looking for a community driven adventerous experience.
So I had an idea.
What about a guild where DBM and watching boss tutorials is forbidden?
Instead, it is about playing the game as if it was year 2004, nobody knows anything, and we learn and progress as a guild together?
The guild would be for people who either never played Vanilla, who just want to chill and experience the lore, or for people who played Vanilla but want play the game as it was intended.
I was thinking about calling it <Virgins>, <Classic Virgins> or <Back to the Roots>.
Would there be any interest for this?
I am based in Europe so the server choice is either Thunderstrike or Spineshatter.
P.S. I am also interested in starting a Cataclysm version of the guild.
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u/Felfastus 1d ago
Ironically you are probably looking at the wrong subreddit to recruit for it.
It's a cool idea but anyone on classicwow who doesn't know the raid fights probably isn't interested in progressing through them blind.
You have a better chance with cata but those fights were tuned assuming you were running a boss mod so it could be very challenging to do blind
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u/LarperPro 14h ago
Thanks for your opinion. I also think Cata would be a better environment for this.
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u/40somethingCatLady 12h ago
I don’t know anything about Cata since I didn’t play during that expansion, so I am interested!
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u/Felfastus 8h ago
Cata is probably the correct choice for 2 reasons. The first is it isn't the 3rd time in 5 years this content is available.
The second is 10 man raiding exists so you only need to find 9 other dudes to embark on the adventure.
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u/HoneyFlavouredRain 1d ago
I actually went a step further with this. And set the in game language to one I don't understand at all and no add-ons.
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u/LarperPro 14h ago
It sounds like you are not a vanilla virgin and are not interested in this idea. That is OK. No need to be smug about it.
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u/garlicroastedpotato 1d ago
There's a novelty to what you're saying that would wear off pretty quickly. Especially in vanilla classic where you're getting 40 people together, how are you going to convince people that it's not just a waste of time. I mean, you're wiping because people don't know wtf they're doing when a simple video could fix that.
In vanilla classic you know, you need to spend 200-500G a week on each night of raiding and the goal is to get all raids into one night. Going with this approach means you'll be spending 4-5 nights learning fights on wipes like in the good ole days and most people wouldn't be into that.
There's also the fact that, this isn't new content. You have to find 40 people who never played the game before to do this. You need to get 40 people who want this experience who haven't done it. Otherwise you get people who know the fights and well, your whole experience is wasted.
It has, a novelty to it. But I don't think it'll be appreciated long term, because from Cataclysm onwards there are built in guides to bosses.
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u/LarperPro 14h ago
Yes this was my main concern but I was unsure. I lived my entire life in my head so I wanted to get the idea out there and get feedback on it.
Judging by most of the comments, there is no majority interest.
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u/zugzug4ever 1d ago
No chance you get a true vanilla experience like this. You need a time machine. GL sounds awful.
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u/turikk 1d ago
No, this just doesn't work. Try new content when it comes out.
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u/LarperPro 14h ago
What do you mean by new content? Retail?
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u/turikk 8h ago
Retail, SoD, the next seasonal classic content, a new MMO, etc.
I totally get the magic experience you are looking for, I definitely want it too. But you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, and part of the MMO experience is figuring this stuff out. When you can't even Google a boss name without seeing all the strategies for it laid out, it's just not feasible to try and relive this experience.
For a 5 man dungeon group? Yeah, you could probably pull it off. For a raid? Definitely incredibly unlikely and it won't last.
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u/SifferBTW 1d ago
We had dbm type addons in 2004, though.
Also most of the people playing classic already know the encounters. It comes down to raid leading
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u/Kevo_1227 1d ago
Things is, there are some fights that just aren't really feasible without some kind of DBM-like addon.
Just as an example, without the timers from DBM, melee just can't fight Ragnaros unless you enjoy getting punted around the room the whole time or holding a stopwatch next to you so you know when the knockback is coming.
I use very few addons. Most of the time it's just DBM, Gargle, Recount, and RCLoot Counsel.
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u/PavelDatsyuk88 1d ago
it would take like 2 pulls to figure out the cd on that and single person could call that, things like that aint the issue, if multiple abilities you could just have different persons track each cd and easily call it out, basically same what dbm does. like when you didnt have addons ready, you just did the same manually
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u/LarperPro 14h ago
Yes this was my idea.
I am an anxious we would not be able to shut our optimization part of brains and we would just install DBM or invent similar AddOns at one point.
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u/Freecraghack_ 1d ago
Goodluck, probably would start on thunderstrike as to attract more of the casual community
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u/Biscaia86 17h ago
@LargerPro If by any chance you ate going to Thunderstrike let me know. I'm new to the game, never raided. I just picked Thunderstrike because i like the idea of leveling in peace without the pvp crazyness . Let me know if you start on that server and which faction you are going.
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u/40somethingCatLady 12h ago
Ahhh…. Using the word virgin might be asking for trouble. Might attract creepy guys.
But other than that, I would be interested. Although I do remember some of the fights, so I’m not completely a noob. And I’m a pro when it comes to the level 13-30 dungeons! 😅
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u/Loa_Sandal 1d ago
Yes we all want to count seconds in our heads for every boss, and memorize all the timings.
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u/LarperPro 14h ago
It sounds like you are not a vanilla virgin and are not interested in this idea. That is OK. No need to be smug about it.
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u/Donkey_steak 1d ago
I like this, because while I played every iteration of wow growing up, I never level capped or raided until 2019 vanilla so it was all new and fresh to me.
Even when I was the main tank going into Ulduar or BWD I just raw dogged it. Told them I watched guides, and I would watch them after my first go at the raid to figure out what I was missing.
There is a certain charm in the experience of raw dogging a raid, especially as a main tank.
Tank mechanics are pretty easy to figure out and pretty much universal.
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u/No_Tadpole9130 1d ago
I would be down I'm usa tho so idk what raid times would be. Even if the raid leader is the only one with DBm for certain timers they mention. I never raided in classic and only raided kara in bc then really started raiding in cata
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u/PotatoBestFood 1d ago
I don’t think you can make it work.
If you find Redditors for this, it’s mostly people who are chronically complaining online, instead of playing the game.
You’ll possibly even fill a raid, but then they’ll drop off 1 by 1 quickly, because it would mean they have to play the game they hate.
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u/SelikBready 1d ago
I prob would be interested, I'm a total noob in endgame in classic and I want to experience it without modern speedrunners.
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u/PavelDatsyuk88 1d ago
basically if you want to experience full lenght of mechanics in classic you just need a raid that does no dps, and you'd still probably clear it
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u/AppleMelon95 1d ago
Are you gonna uninstall the guides from my brain?