r/classicwow • u/NOHITJEROME • 1d ago
Season of Discovery Which Class Will Be #1 DPS in Phase 8?
Yooo r/classicwow, what do you guys think about these classes in P8? I think Ret is gonna be really rough.
Ret Paladin
- I believe they will suck in P8 for most of the phase. They got nerfed T2 set and are a lot weaker for progression now. With endgame P8 full BIS and an Ashbringer, they will be competitive. But how many players will really get that much gear?
Mage
- Their AoE will be so much better since Living Bomb explodes on mob death. Plus your balefire bolt for Fire spec will play a much bigger role since Pyroblast removes a stack. Don’t be surprised if Mages are top DPS in the phase.
Hunters
- Absurdly high damage and Multi Shot plays a much bigger role now. Also you get to use pets again. Feed that damn pet..
Warrior
- They got their AoE amped up with Phase 8, more Whirlwinds, an extra cleave target too. But they are best at short fights and cleave fights. I’m predicting Solistrasza and Reborn Council are cleave. Outside of maybe two fights, how many will have cleave?
Warlocks
- Insane new haste with their T4 set means Fire Destruction is insane now. They also may very well carry the progression phase alongside Shadow Priests and Boomkins.
If you want to know how your class stacks up with thenew changes and tier sets, check out this huge P8 DPS tier list: https://youtu.be/GkQ5oGEIGVE
What class do you guys think will be #1 in Phase 8? Who will be in the trash heap?
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u/No_Cell6708 1d ago edited 1d ago
Easily the best source of info. No need to waste time watching an outdated YouTube video.
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u/NOHITJEROME 1d ago
the spreadsheet alone wont give us a tier list, a lot of the sims aren't updated yet
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u/No_Cell6708 1d ago
It's a hell of a lot more useful than a shitty YouTube video where the guy makes random guesses. The sheet gets updated all the time as new info comes out/things are changed on the ptr.
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u/PM_FEET_PLS_TY 1d ago
All of the Sims are up to date with PTR right now. Sorry you feel offended over a spreadsheet being better at giving info than you
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u/KJTHEDECEIVER 13h ago
There is an actual tier list page on the spreadsheet. You don’t know what you’re talking about at all. This tier list you made doesn’t make sense.
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u/yeahwhoknowsidk 1d ago
Should've given us wraths versions of LB from the start but glad they finally changed it
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u/griffinhamilton 1d ago
As a mage reading these changes for the first time I’m so fkn excited. In my speed run guild mages are very bad because the mobs all die before living bombs go off (AE spam was more dmg than any fire spells besides blast wave every minute)
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u/Dismal-Buyer7036 1d ago
Probably shadow destro warlock. The scaling is out of control.
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u/NOHITJEROME 1d ago
yep agree, warlocks will be absurd. bis progression class too next to shadow priests i think
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u/griefbane 1d ago
You're behind on your data, most of the things you listed have changed.
Fact of the matter is things are changing daily so nobody knows.
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u/NOHITJEROME 1d ago
it was made after the most recent changes. i just dont believe that ret will be good next phase. using twist as the baseline for all ret specs being good makes zero sense. its like making melee weaving hunter the baseline for balancing hunters
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u/Bolts_Big_Cat 1d ago
They've literally balanced hunters because of weave sims since like phase 4. Where have you been? We cringe when a new weave sim hits the top of melee hunter sims because Blizzard nukes something every single time.
In fact there's a new unrealistic weave build at the top of the sims now. Good job making videos with outdated info though.
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u/Old-Soft5276 1d ago
The main issue with Ret Paladin is existence of Twisting and how it guts all other playstyles. All other 3 playstyles of Ret are below average because it's hard to balance them in a way where it won't kill or overbuff Twisting. We finally got Wrathlike or Phase 1 playstyle back on the list but it still Is below average because you can't buff it without killing off Twisting. The ideal situation would've been adding extra Haste to either gear or 6p Inquisition set, but it won't happen since Twisting is already haste capped, and you can't touch the "elite" spec.
Plus several devs being obsessed with Twisting playstyle and deciding that it's supposed to be "Top dps" because it requires "skill" to play(like staring on swing timer is some sort of a skill).
Ret could've been balanced way easier if we didn't had Twisting.
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u/No-Thing3098 1d ago
Twisting is a lot of fun. Wrath like ret is so brain dead, just a watered down fury warrior basically. Seal stacking is a nice middle ground, I don’t mind that, but the burst in PvP is nuts with everything being able to proc lol.
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u/Old-Soft5276 1d ago
Fun is subjective, not everyone is a fan of playstyle that requires 3rd party application to perform
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u/No-Thing3098 1d ago
To be good at any spec in sod you need 3rd party software. I understand that a swing timer is a bit above what you might need for other specs, but it’s a bit extreme to say it’s the only spec that requires it.
Fun is subjective, 100%. Subjectively, I’ve enjoyed and will continue to enjoy twisting. Many long time rets feel the same. TBC has always been my favorite model for the class. Pure single target glass cannon.
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u/NOHITJEROME 1d ago
ret is kinda like meleee weaving hunter where it breaks the game if a good enough player is playing it..alas
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u/Old-Soft5276 1d ago
Its not even good enough player, its high ping, lags, stutter and boss encounters that fuck up your rotation. You can play it out "perfectly" but it will be bricked by things out of your control
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u/No-Thing3098 1d ago
Hunter will be best, like every phase. Warrior will pay for their anniversary sins. Ret paladin got the one phase.
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u/griffinhamilton 1d ago
Did they change Ret t2 but keep feral t2?
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u/NOHITJEROME 1d ago
rets got fucked zz
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u/ItsSynNotSin 1d ago
2days ago ret got changes to put them back on the top tho, in both Prog and bis. Seems like they’re not getting changed any further so as long as your seal twisting then ret is def s tier
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u/LerntLesen 1d ago
We don’t know because devs change stuff all the tome