r/confidentlyincorrect • u/20Kudasai • 17h ago
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u/GyL_draw 17h ago
Never read any real historian call a civilisation "primitive" (in that way) even will talking about cavemen
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u/Liimbo 17h ago
It's literally only conspiracy theorists who believe humans had zero intelligence until about 150 years ago.
"How did all these independent civilizations build pyramids without contacting each other and with no construction equipment?!?!"
You mean how did people all over the world stack rocks in the most stable formation that is also geberally aesthetically pleasing? Lmao. Gee I wonder.
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u/Jaffadxg 15h ago
If you haven’t heard of him before check out Miniminuteman on YouTube. He has some great educational videos but also has some great video’s debunking conspiracy theorists. I think you’ll enjoy it. Goes for anyone else who sees this comment, check him out. He’s pretty funny as well
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u/OMG_A_CUPCAKE 14h ago
Don't fall into this trap. Or you are like me and watch two 2 hours videos with a one hour follow-up of him debunking one specific Tiktok conspiracy peddler.
On the plus side, I now understand the Googledebunkers reference
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u/anthonyc2554 13h ago
Damn. His “Great Circle Earthworks” just hit my YouTube recommendations this week, but I hadn’t checked it out yet. Then I read this comment this morning? It’s like there’s some… conspiracy at play here….
Naw, just random. But I checked out his channel and subscribed. Fits in with my Folding Ideas and HBomberGuy
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u/Wingman5150 15h ago
It's literally only conspiracy theorists who believe humans had zero intelligence until about 150 years ago.
hey! 8 year old me was just stupid not a conspiracy theorist
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u/GyL_draw 17h ago
Not even talking about the big construction. Old civilisation invent how to do clothes, create fire, make ropes and tools from nothing.
How that not proof of intelligence ? Litteraly everything we build and create started with some guy who found which stones to create fire at their will
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u/OGCelaris 14h ago
It is my belief that it is an extention of the Dunning-Kruger effect. They don't understand how technology works so how can some ancestors possibly have done anything without help from someone super advanced. Frankly, I find that view insulting.
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u/mooshinformation 14h ago
I always thought it was modern laziness brought on by having machines do all the hard work for us. They have no personal experience with how much can be accomplished just by slowly, incrementally picking away at something, NVM what thousands of ppl forced into back breaking labor can do.
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u/KLeeSanchez 12h ago
Some archaeologists even tested the techniques and it turns out... It's actually not that hard. On a modern workday with modern medicine and proper sleep and nutrition and modern transport, a team of people could just build a pyramid in a few years without too much difficulty.
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u/Alternative_Year_340 12h ago
It depends on the skin tone of the people stacking the rocks. White? Aren’t humans ingenious. Not white? Aliens.
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u/AnonOfTheSea 15h ago
At which point do they think humans acquired intelligence? I'm not seeing it.
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u/SlightlyFarcical 12h ago
It's literally only conspiracy theorists who believe humans had zero intelligence until about 150 years ago.
Its a white supremacist world view that thinks all ancient non-western European structures were built by aliens and also conveniently ignores that European civilisation began in whats now considered in eastern part of Europe that also included the Levant and the 'Middle East'
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u/ResidentBackground35 12h ago
You mean how did people all over the world stack rocks in the most stable formation that is also geberally aesthetically pleasing?
With practically unlimited resources
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u/RKKP2015 14h ago
Cocaine, or coca leaves? What are you saying this suggests?
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u/modest_genius 13h ago edited 13h ago
Funny, last time I read it was Cannabis.
ETA: Cocaine, nicotine and cannabis. Still a lot of controversy, since a lot of it was recently discovered even if the mummys were excavated in the late 19th century. Leaving them exposed for over 100 years before they tested them.
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u/KLeeSanchez 12h ago
People underestimate just how much cocaine and meth people did in the early 20th century
You could literally buy it at the corner drug store
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u/Psychological-Web828 15h ago
I’m not sure it is conspiracy theorists that claim this. Conspiracy theorists is a bit of a slur for people who challenge the common narrative. In most cases these theorist believe that ancient civilisations had technology, be it covered up by higher orders or from aliens.
It is usually religious nuts and the uneducated brainwashed victims of misinformation that believe humans were nothing but grunting stick shakers.
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u/N9neFing3rs 15h ago
Every time I hear about pyramids I think "yes slavery is wrong but it got shit done."
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u/Ok_Cauliflower_3007 14h ago
It didn't get the pyramids done. They were built by pretty well paid builders. They even went on strike at one point.
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u/N9neFing3rs 13h ago
Damn. It seems like it's a common misconception but it looks like you're right. A lot of misinformation by biblical and Greek accounts.
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u/ManufacturerSharp 14h ago edited 13h ago
I guess it depends who the slave master is...
(I'm not advocating for slavery people! I just mean that any system is only as good as it's leaders. To reiterate slavery bad! Booo to slavery!)
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u/samanime 13h ago edited 12h ago
Didn't you know the ancient Romans all lived in caves?!! /s
Seriously, so dumb. There is a big difference from 50,000+ years ago and 2,000 years ago.
(Also, that mechanism is not a computer by even the loosest of definitions, though it is an impressive bit of metallurgy.)
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u/Adventurous-Ad-409 11h ago
Also, that mechanism is not a computer by even the loosest of definitions
I'm puzzled as to why you think the Antikythera Mechanism isn't a computer.
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u/I_DRINK_GENOCIDE_CUM 12h ago
Historians are always like "look how advanced their technology was, incredible!"
My luddite ass is the one who's like "lmao primcels"
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u/eruditionfish 17h ago
Oh yes, those ancient cave dwelling peoples of 2,000 years ago. Everyone knows the story of how Jesus was born in a cave because there was no room in the nice cave.
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u/bbcversus 17h ago
He was born in a cave WITH A BUNCH OF SCRAPS!!
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u/wunderwerks 17h ago
Jesus Christ built a computer from scraps in a cave, why can't you!?
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u/Tau10Point8_battlow 17h ago
On Jesus' LinkedIn: "What being born in a cave with a bunch of scraps taught me about about B2B sales and disrupting the cave computing industry"
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u/exponential_2 16h ago
This is very funny. It is not unlikely that Josef / Jesus were stone masons (the translations of the original texts gives room for that interpretation) and living in caves was very common during those days in that region.
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u/MeepingMeep99 16h ago
Lies. Jesus was a carpenter, and no one can change my mind. Otherwise, where would he get the skateboard?
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u/NeuroticChic 14h ago
"Soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden, I found myself in love with the world So there was only one thing that I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang a long ling long"
🤘🖤 Hells yeah!!
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u/barney_trumpleton 15h ago
2,000 years ago, at the height of the Roman Empire and the Han Dynasty. Both famously primitive cave dwellers.
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u/visiblepeer 14h ago
The entire Roman Empire developed because there weren't enough nice caves in Central Italy.
Archimedes discovered volumetric displacement when he tried getting into a cave full of water.
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u/DreadSeaScrote 17h ago
I feel like people don't really know what years are.
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u/Swearyman 17h ago
No current engineer can explain? What current engineers have you given it too because I’m pretty sure they could.
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u/20Kudasai 17h ago
I mean this guy has never read a single history book so I doubt he has many STEM friends
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u/Emriyss 16h ago
Technically he's right, no current engineer can explain fully.
Because 80% of the fucking thing is destroyed and we're having multiple theories on what the full thing would show, all easily explainable and fit what is left of it.
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u/Maybe_Factor 14h ago
No, it's been fully explained... It basically calculates the orbits of the planets iirc
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u/Feisty_Bag_5284 17h ago
No current engineer but the person who told them what it is obviously could explain it to them
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u/Haggis442312 15h ago
There’s a guy on Youtube making a functional replica with contemporary technology, but I’m sure he can’t explain it either.
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u/Usagi-Zakura 17h ago
Most people didn't live in caves 2000 years ago either... They were pretty smart and had a lot of neat inventions, many of which are lost today.
We didn't just go straight from cavemen to 21st century apartment buildings in one leap.
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u/DanGleeballs 17h ago
Here’s more info on the Antikythera mechanism for this interested in the Ancient Greek analogue astronomical computer. Another mistruth in the original post is that we haven’t been able to recreate it.
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u/FridayNightRiot 17h ago
Ya an amateur machinist YouTuber litterally did a series where he made one. Not only that but he also made it using the same machining techniques as they would have back in the day. It's not even remotely difficult to find information and it's the most well documented proof you could ever have.
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u/Drasern 16h ago
Not sure if this is so you meant, but clickspring is a clock maker who is currently recreating the mechanism using period appropriate methods.
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u/dansdata 12h ago edited 12h ago
Yeah, Chris is the opposite of an amateur. He's a top-tier horologist and general small-valuable-metal-object fabricator.
Never even mind the Antikythera series; check out that card press he made for a magician.
I don't know what that magician paid for it, but it was definitely not cheap. :-)
(If you're wondering, a card press is a specialised vise for flattening bent playing cards. Why would you do that, instead of just buying a new deck of cards for five bucks? Because good decks that let you do seemingly impossible things are expensive! :-)
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u/Dambo_Unchained 17h ago
Most people didn’t live in case in our primitive history either
People painted in caves because it was the only place they could where the paintings stayed up for a while. The caves of these cave painting were important culturally and religiously for those early human but they would’ve just been living out in the open as hunters gatherers and would be migrating around all the time
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u/Tar_alcaran 15h ago
They probably also painted in a lot of other places, it's just that none of those places exist anymore.
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u/Dambo_Unchained 15h ago
The fact that they painted in caves means that longevity at least of some priority to them
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u/hiuslenkkimakkara 17h ago
Have you seen the price of caves recently?! It's becoming impossible to live in subterrania!!
/s
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u/motorcycle-manful541 17h ago
2000 years ago was still about 450 years before the Roman Empire fell apart. The Romans did not live in caves (just for the people who forget that the city of 'Rome' exists)
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u/Usagi-Zakura 17h ago
Yeah exactly.
Heck the oldest cities in the world had already existed for 4000 years+ at that time...5
u/ScottishLand 17h ago
I mean the blue tick guys ancestors probably did still live in a cave.. so maybe he is right….
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u/motorcycle-manful541 17h ago
if by 'ancestors' you mean 'parents', then absolutely
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u/JeChanteCommeJeremy 16h ago
His family tree looks like an arrow
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u/wexfordavenue 15h ago
I’ve been laughing at this for two minutes. Thank you, kind stranger, for the good laugh. I needed that.
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u/Tar_alcaran 15h ago
about 450 years before the Roman Empire fell apart.
Well, the people in the Byzantine Empire all called themselves Roman. We just don't, because it's confusing for us. But they considered themselves Roman through and through.
So 2000 years ago is also almost 1500 years before the Roman empire fell. And 1800. And some 900.
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u/juliankennedy23 17h ago
There are plenty of ancient developments from that time that we have not figured out such as Greek fire or a stable Italian government.
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u/Dhegxkeicfns 17h ago
I live in a cave now so I think most people live in caves now so this guy is totally right, there's a conspiracy!
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u/ReallyGlycon 17h ago
I mean the city of Uruk was around in 3000 bce. There were about 40000 people living in this massive city.
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u/MarsMonkey88 17h ago
Exactly. As we all know, 2,000 years ago humans lived in caves. 800 years ago, agriculture was invented. Then, 75 years ago came the Enlightenment. And finally, in the mid 1980’s the Industrial Revolution brought sweeping change across Europe. Now, we patiently await the Iron Age.
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u/FiveHundredAnts 16h ago
1) no we havent
2) no they don't
3) theyve recreated it flawlessly, it's just gears and shit
Conspiracy theorists love to downplay and, simultaneously, overestimate the tech that ancient peoples had. It's so fucking stupid.
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u/CreatrixAnima 15h ago
Honest to God, it’s like they get their “historical information” from the Indiana Jones franchise.
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u/NotYourReddit18 15h ago
it's just gears and shit
But the question of why they did use shit as a lubricant is still unsolved...
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u/Mo-shen 17h ago
My favorite thing about what we consider ancient Egypt is that they had egyptologists as well.
They literally had people who studied what they considered ancient Egypt because the empire lasted that long.
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u/20Kudasai 17h ago
This guy has not read a single sentence of actual history
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u/Mo-shen 17h ago
I didnt really think I needed to say what everyone else has been saying, that the guy is an idiot.
My point is that much of the world thinks things kind of started 2000 years ago...which is idiotic
If you are American it seems to be about 200 years ago though.
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u/20Kudasai 16h ago
I think a lot of folk are very Jesus-focused in their timelines
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u/wexfordavenue 15h ago
Those folks think that earth is only 6000 years old, so in their heads they’ve had to compress the timeline considerably. These absolute nonces believe that humans rode around on dinosaurs ffs (or believe that dinosaurs are a myth and that fossils are fake. It’s unreal).
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u/NotYourReddit18 15h ago
The whole Old Testament was written and takes olace before the birth of Jesus, so believing that the universe started with his birth doesn't mesh well with most Christian teachings.
IIRC calculating the age of earth (or the universe, it's the same thing in this context) based on the Bible by using things like the family trees and ages of characters mentioned across all the tales contained within it results in roughly 5000 years since big G created the universe. This has made a lot of people angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move.
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u/BigPapaS53 16h ago
The issue is what we have nowadays documented. Due to the little information about our earliest civilizations it tends to seem a lot shorter in our heads than it was. While in reality ancient egypt existed for over a thousand years longer than everyone's favourite Rome (and that's using the fall of Constantinople as the end date).
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u/Mo-shen 16h ago
I mean it's just a complete lack of wanting to be educated.
Parents who don't care and it's a cycle. Freaking. Turtles all the way down.
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u/BigPapaS53 15h ago
I mean ye, I won't argue at all that some just try to avoid education like it's the plague. But when I think back about history in school, Ancient egypt was also dealt with in just 2-3 hours, while rome makes up several weeks as an example.
I loved history back then already which greatly motivated me to learn more about it, at the same time not everyone has this interest.
I totally agree that this generational passing on of anti educational stances is problematic, I just hate boiling down the issue exclusively to "they are stupid".
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u/GodtheBartender 17h ago
This mechanism has very much been explained. Clearly someone didn't watch Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.
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u/20Kudasai 17h ago
It is very possible he has not watched a single film or read a single book in his life
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u/NotYourReddit18 15h ago
I mean there are totally legitimate reasons for not having watched that movie. For example I didn't watch it in cinema because of Crystal Skull, I don't want to pay Amazon 13€ to stream it, and I have a sizeable backlog of other shows and movies I need to work through too.
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u/ReadingRambo152 15h ago
Our ancient ancestors figured out the earth was round, and now people think it’s flat because they can’t see the curve and “water always finds its level”.
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u/ReallyGlycon 17h ago edited 17h ago
Except it's been explained for about 20 years.
2000 years ago is still the common era. We are still living in that same era.
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u/Aware-Affect-4982 14h ago
Who wants to bet money that if the Antikythera Mechanism was not found on a Greek shipwreck and instead found in Africa or South America, that these people would be claiming it is proof of ancient aliens?
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u/ThatShoomer 17h ago
Can we stop with all this caveman BS. Even during prehistoric times very few people actually lived in caves.
Sure, some did - it's a great ready-made home. Build another shelter inside the cave and you've got life sorted. You can stay dry, safe and relatively warm.
But the big problem with the idea of the "caveman" is very simple - not enough caves to go around. Most lived outside in primitive shelters.
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u/FredegarBolger910 17h ago
I can only assume this is rage bait. He posting this knowing that he will get lots of engagement from people rushing into the threat to tell him what an idiot he is
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u/20Kudasai 16h ago
I’ve met a good number of otherwise sane people who genuinely believe the pyramids defy human engineering
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u/FredegarBolger910 12h ago
Its the claim that "They" think people were living in caves 2,000 years ago that got me. The alient pyramids thing, yeah, I sadly know a few
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u/insidejake 16h ago
It's part of a machine that was designed to track positions of the planets, we only don't know specifically how it worked because it was in pieces in a shipwreck.
Don't get me wrong, it was remarkable for its time but it isn't some secret lost technology
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u/CreatrixAnima 15h ago
They’ve actually done a pretty good job re-creating it using math to figure out how many teeth are on the gears and stuff like that. It’s probably not perfect, but it’s probably pretty close. There are also a lot of instructions that are still readable on it… They x-rayed some of the pieces and were able to geta lot of information that way.
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u/Narsil_lotr 15h ago
Historians: marvel at the complexity of these different, varied and amazingly complex cultures and all their myriad achievements. We've studied what they did, built, believed in over centuries of study of their writings, their pictures, the stories they left behind and minutious examination of the archaeological record, literally with a fine comb. We've also corrected the often racist, demeaning and sexist ideas of the founders of our discipline from the 19th century and are constantly thriving to improve, continue to correct and define our understanding when new evidence is uncovered - many of us are giddy like small children over the discovery that a small potery shard contains fragments of a particular plant because it shows that this culture mightve interacted with... this could go on for pages, historians aren't concise by nature.
Meanwhile conspiracy theorist: knows nothing about the object or history of its people, shows 1 picture of it, claims it demonstrates some extraordinary sci-fi tech brought by aliens, thus making the real cultures not responsible for their own achievements.
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u/MouseBotMeep 14h ago
Mind explaining to me how this thing is supposed to be used to compute things? The fact that you have identified this thing as a “computer” implies that somebody can and has been able to explain how this thing works and what it’s used for.
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u/cha0sb1ade 14h ago
And now we're apparently so advanced that we can build a 5 mile high straw man.
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u/lonely_nipple 17h ago
Do cliff dwellings count as caves? I bet if I looked i could find current people living in caves!
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u/magmapandaveins 16h ago
People don't do well with large numbers. Whether we're talking about distance, time, mass, whatever. That's why we have a lot of stupidity. There was a front page post a week ago where a dude said he couldn't get into Yellowjackets because he couldn't buy that a bunch of starving girls and a one legged coach couldn't hoof it through rough terrain to a city. He said it could only be about 200 miles. Zero awareness of what 200 miles through the frigid Canadian wilderness would look like.
I think another problem is that people hear 2000 years ago and they picture artist renditions of biblical scenes instead of the reality of what Rome or Greece actually were like. I pointed out an interesting (to me) historical fact to one of my Evangelical relatives and now I don't get Christmas cards anymore. The biblical city of Jericho has been inhabited since 9000 bc and been a city since 6000 bc. I just thought that was fascinating but I was told the world isn't that old lol. Aleppo in Syria has been around since 5000 bc. We've been out of the caves and congregating in cities for a lonnnnnng time now.
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u/omnipotentmonkey 11h ago
"Primitive in caves"
(Talking about 2000 years ago, which was the height of the Roman Empire...)
There's so much wrong here that it's almost awe-inspiring, these fuckers couldn't pass pre-school.
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u/Valten78 17h ago
2000 years ago was the start of the golden age of the Roman Empire. Hardly living in caves.
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u/Willyzyx 16h ago
Can you imagine how hard life would be if you didn't know the difference between 2 000 and 200 000?
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u/dutchroll0 16h ago
You mean the intensely studied and documented analog astronomical device with 37 meshing bronze gears used by the Ancient Greeks to predict the motion of the stars and planets through the sky of which a number of working replicas have been produced through the years, and which didn't actually work all that well because their astronomical theories were incomplete back in the day, and of which even Lego made a functioning reconstruction? That Antikythera mechanism?
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u/Maybe_Factor 14h ago
Feel like this needs a community note: "it's an orbit calculator - 21st century engineers"
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u/PoppyStaff 11h ago
I’m pretty sure modern engineers have got it sussed. You can 3D print your own Antikythera device.
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u/Battlepuppy 11h ago
2000 years ago, they weren't living in caves as a general rule.
Some people still live in caves today. They provide efficient heating and cooling.
2000 years ago, they built magnificent structures that required advanced math and physics knowledge.
2000 years ago, people were living in well appointed villas with running water, and getting buried by a Volcano
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u/SlightlyFarcical 13h ago
Best thing to do is reply to them saying that its usage was known: its a menstrual calculator created by ancient Greek women and watch their tiny fucking minds explode!
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