r/covidlonghaulers • u/ImReellySmart 3 yr+ • Sep 09 '24
Article Are you f**king kidding me...
https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/sep/09/covid-lockdowns-prematurely-aged-girls-brains-more-than-boys-study-finds175
u/zb0t1 4 yr+ Sep 09 '24
/u/ttkciar saved the day with their comment:
It's worth pointing out that nowhere in this study do they mention filtering out or adjusting for incidences of SARS-CoV-2 infection in their subjects, and that other studies have demonstrated that cortical density loss is observed (also via MRI) after SARS-CoV-2 infection:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-52005-7
https://www.pnas.org/doi/epub/10.1073/pnas.2403200121
Given this, it seems odd to me that the researchers would jump to the conclusion that lockdown lifestyle changes (which were not even observed by many Americans) were the cause of this cortical thinning, and not SARS-CoV-2 infection.
So go and thank them! It's the only comment that isn't deep into full denial.
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u/yesterdaysnoodles Sep 10 '24
It’s wild they would try to blame lock down…and not the virus itself.
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u/ThalassophileYGK Sep 10 '24
Corporations want the media to sell the idea that lockdowns are as dangerous as viruses and death because to lock down cuts into their bottom line.
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u/UnexpectedSabbatical 4 yr+ Sep 10 '24
Exactly, there was no attempt to control for infection. The authors' last disclaimer before their concluding statement is:
And finally, we do not know whether contraction of the COVID-19 virus itself may have contributed to these findings, though in the community from which our study sample was derived, COVID-19 prevalence was widespread, and we have found no reports of a sex disparity in contraction of the virus.
This paper is making quite the overclaim. Incredible to see this pass peer review in such a high profile journal.
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u/BackgroundPatient1 Sep 10 '24
a lot of autoimmune things are harsh on women especially so this would be unsurprising if the women are dealing with more here
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u/Shamanduh Sep 10 '24
Yep, was about to comment on this. Women are far more likely to get autoimmune disorders, and can very well be why this issue is more pronounced in them.
From what I’ve read, there’s something in our hormones, like that extra estrogen, which seem to help protect women from severe complications from disease, more so than men. Essentially, women are like 2x less likely to experience death/ severe complications from covid than their male counterparts, but then can have more long lasting effects, as if scars left behind on their immune systems.
Which is wild to me, but then thinking in evolutionary terms, might it be beneficial to keep the female alive, even if infirm, as to keep the babies/ kids fed and cared for even if not to the extent they once were able to?
Versus a father, who now is incapacitated from some autoimmune disorder, and wouldn’t be able to provide as well, or at all- from a hunter and protector standpoint, but just be an extra mouth to feed? So in a nut shell, if they become ill enough to affect them in the future, even after the illness clears, would it not make better evolutionary sense for the men to die sooner, allowing the women and kids to move on, instead of further burdening them with their sickness, and thus lowering the family’s odds at survival?
Also, the women can find a new husband, but the kids can’t readily find a new mother, which spells a certain death blow to their lineage.
But again this is me remembering what I’ve read, and then adding my two cents in, so I can be off the mark a bit.
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u/wowzeemissjane Sep 09 '24
Are they sure it wasn’t ummmmm…actually GETTING COVID that did it!!!???!!!
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Sep 10 '24
Thinking the same. They are now blaming stuff on some other BS.
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u/pc_g33k Post-vaccine Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24
First they spread misinformation such as masks only protect others but not yourself and they're now framing lockdowns as an equality issue. When will the hypocrisy end?
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Sep 10 '24
Anything that can distract from the actual reality of long covid.
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u/pc_g33k Post-vaccine Sep 10 '24
And also COVID vaccine adverse effects which they refused to acknowledge.
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Sep 10 '24
Yes. Yes. I posted something here about it and it was taken down. I did not deny either. Why can’t we honest and talk about all of this. True. Not everyone got vaccine injuries, but that does not discount the ones who actually did.
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u/shadygamedev Sep 11 '24
It's difficult to separate people who think corporations were recklessly endangering lives and callously profiteering from the vaccines; and people who believe the vaccine was the mark of the devil worshiped by the "globalist cabal" who orchestrated the "plandemic".
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Sep 12 '24
I agree with you. But I don’t think that either is truth. I just think some people like me had some genetic combination or underlying conditions that were “dormant” for which the vax caused complications. Even doctors who worked in Biden’s administration are starting to admit this.
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u/InformalEar5125 Sep 10 '24
Study inadvertently finds SARS-COV-2 induced brain aging in children, incorrectly blames mitigation efforts. Fixed it.
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u/tonecii 2 yr+ Sep 10 '24
Age aside, I believe this is just another study that proves it affects more women than men.
In the situation of post covid, I mean. Not lockdowns lol.
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u/omakad 4 yr+ Sep 10 '24
They can’t cure us from post viral infections or know literally anything about immune ok maybe 10% but they can tell who’s brain matured more. Please give me a break. I’m glad to see that money is being spent on useless studies rather than helping people that need real help.
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u/Interesting-Oil-2034 Sep 09 '24
what the heck
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u/ImReellySmart 3 yr+ Sep 09 '24
Thankfully the top comment actually directly calls out the ridiculous of this study and mentions the direct effects covid has on the brain.
It was actually therapeutic to see that lol.
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u/irritatedpotatoe Sep 09 '24
Unfortunately it's not the top comment anymore (at least for me for now).
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u/zb0t1 4 yr+ Sep 09 '24
Anything disrupting the global denial regarding the mass infection and all the negative externalities will get downvoted in the main and normie subs.
It is sad.
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u/Outrageous-Hamster-5 Sep 09 '24
Yeah. LC disproportionately affects women. With any meaningful "lockdown", ppl are spending more time at home, which I suspect means more labor, esp emotional labor fell on women/girls. I bet managing remote learning, remote work, food and tp shortages while men didn't pitch in as much is what "aged" women's brains more. 🙄 Patriarchy ages women. Not infection control.
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u/ImReellySmart 3 yr+ Sep 09 '24
Personally, I think the much more prominent factor is getting covid and how it affects the brain long term.
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u/Rondoman78 Sep 10 '24
“Funding: The research was funded by a grant from the Bezos Family Foundation.”
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u/CriticalCockroach2 Sep 10 '24
I have been crippled for 2 years walking with the cane and now I'm in a walker might be in a wheelchair soon doctors don't know what's going on happen 10 days after covid infection
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u/Tasty-Meringue4436 Sep 10 '24
Correlation and causality are no longer differentiated these days...
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u/ThalassophileYGK Sep 10 '24
Leave it to the media to highlight a study that only had 160 people in it, is not a comprehensive study at all and has no mention that Covid could be the culprit.
For decades kids lived on farms and only went to school a few months a year if at all. I don't think that "aged" their brains. They were isolated with only family for years.
So much of this is skewed or not including data that would be a lot more comprehensive.
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u/imahugemoron 3 yr+ Sep 09 '24 edited Sep 09 '24
Lmao people are still so fucking bitter that they were told they had to care about other people, they’re still trying to say “lock downs were bad”, we didn’t even have any lockdowns at least here in the US, how many fucking people took it upon themselves to go out and do whatever they fuck they wanted EVEN MORE THAN THEY EVER WOULD HAVE if COVID never existed, simply because “the GubbErmint” told them they couldn’t? If lock downs caused any sort of issue I would have been disabled decades ago because I’ve basically been a shut in my whole life, I’ve always been a fuckin cave gremlin playing video games all day and night barely leaving my gaming den to finally get some pizza rolls just to scurry back to my cave to play more games. I absolutely loved my shut in life, didn’t have to deal with people, played all the games I could ever want, many might think it was a sad existence but I would have it no other way. Being a shut in playing games and eating junk food and mountain dew never had any effect on me, then I got covid and it fucking disabled me and took away my ability to play video games at all!
Ironic huh? Fuck covid and fuck anyone trying to blame “lOcKdOwNs” for this shit.
“Oh noes! I was told I couldn’t go on vacation or to restaurants and it disabled me!” You’re a fucking bigger moron than I am.
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Sep 10 '24
It may be because of girls are more prone to depression and autoimmune diseases.Both covid and covid lockdown cause these.
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u/kaspar_trouser Sep 10 '24
Infuriating and really fucking dangerous when we know from previous studies covid causes brain aging etc. And women are much more likely to be affected by long covid.
This will be used as evidence not to close schools in the next pandemic, which will cost lives. Really really irresponsible.
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u/supergox123 4 yr+ Sep 10 '24
Yup, totally agree that’s the reason - lockdowns and also strawberries and cows most probably.
It’s not like we are having a f*ckin’ neurotropic and vascular, highly infectious pathogen that practically went through the bodies of half the planet’s population, do we? Haven’t heard anything like that in the last few years.
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u/SophieeeRose_ Sep 10 '24
Girls mature faster anyways lol
But like, this is not a lock down issue so much as it's a mental health issue and neuroscience issue.
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u/FogCityPhoenix 1.5yr+ Sep 10 '24 edited Sep 10 '24
The headline in the Guardian is clickbait. The Guardian headline says "prematurely aged", the paper says "accelerated maturation". (although the body of the paper flips back and forth between those terms)
Guardian: Covid lockdowns prematurely aged girls’ brains more than boys’, study finds
Actual Paper: COVID-19 lockdown effects on adolescent brain structure suggest accelerated maturation that is more pronounced in females than in males
Cortical thinning is a normal and healthy part of brain maturation in adolescents. In older adults we associate "cortical thinning" with age related cognitive decline, but in adolescents, it is a normal and essential part of developing a healthy adult brain. Girls brains naturally mature faster than boys.
So this study might show that adolescents brains were harmed, either by lockdowns and/or by COVID itself. (and more women get LC than men) Or it might show that adolescents matured faster during the pandemic, perhaps because of the unusual social, educational, and logistical stressors adolescents had to learn to deal with, and that girls matured faster than boys as they naturally do. Whether that accelerated maturation might be bad socially or developmentally is an askable question, but it would not represent brain atrophy.
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u/66clicketyclick Sep 10 '24
You know who really needs an MRI? Me and other LC haulers.
Also, what about the fact that children can develop Long Covid too?
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u/letstalkaboutsax Sep 11 '24
Guys!!!!! COVID can give your brain crow’s feet faster if you’re F E M A L E and you are forced by the big bad bourgeoisie to lock yourself in a prison cage that looks alarmingly similar to your own house!!!
I am. So baffled at the ignorance around the world, approaching five years since Jan 2020. How are people still this deranged?
Let’s not talk about how wearing masks is BANNED and a finable offense in some counties?
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u/Similar-Flower1838 Sep 11 '24
I was fine witb lockdowns if they worked but the benefit did not outweigh the risk so I feel like we are all fools for hiding from a virus when it was basically impossible and on top of it, the suffering elsewhere was massive.
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u/Angel_Spirit1111 Sep 10 '24
Ridiculous! World was never equal between women & men! Here they proved it again!
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u/thepensiveporcupine Sep 09 '24
Why is it that lockdowns are blamed for everything but nobody will ever mention long covid? It’s just getting annoying at this point