r/dontyouknowwhoiam • u/Willmann4K • Mar 06 '25
Unknown Expert He said Homosexuality isn't a sin
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u/pendletonskyforce Mar 06 '25
I hate these screenshots. I was wondering why my battery was so low and confused that I had Snapchat again.
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u/throwaway180gr Mar 06 '25
That bar for pastor is pretty low, and its hard to get around how homophobic Paul was. You can reinterpret him if you want, but I seriously doubt he would support LGBT+ people if he was around today.
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u/Dandy11Randy Mar 06 '25
Everyone knows that when the Bible said "if a man lies with another man, he should be stoned" was A. a suggestion and B. referring to how they should be high.
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u/Imaginary_being_ Mar 06 '25
Some translate that as a part against pedophilia. As in If a man lies with a boy
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u/AdMurky1021 Mar 06 '25
The original greek text said boy.
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u/Cole444Train Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
Well the original text is Hebrew, so Iām definitely not taking your word for it.
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u/overmotion Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
And the Hebrew text explicitly says man and male, age doesnāt matter. Never understood why people try to hard to twist the Bible instead of just saying āyes it does say that and I donāt careā
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u/Cole444Train Mar 06 '25
Completely agree. I await the day humanity stops caring about what some dude scribbled down 2,000+ years ago and just chooses to have empathy regardless
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u/EobardT Mar 07 '25
Whats the most fascinating to me is reading the Bible as a survival guide, the Torah has all sorts of rules concerning cleanliness and the new testament has rules about dealing with society at large. If you can cut through the bullshit and read the rules as that it makes a lot more sense. Gay sex introduced poop to dicks, eating swine introduced pathogens that could affect humans, love thy neighbor regardless of their background is essential for societies to continue etc..
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u/stackoverflow21 Mar 07 '25
Youāre much better off saying thatās the Old Testament, which was renegotiated between God and men with the coming of Jesus in the New Testament. Jesus hasnāt said anything about it, so it doesnāt seem to matter. The closes thing is probably āDonāt judge lest ye be judged.ā
At least thatās what I would say if I were a Christian
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u/overmotion 29d ago
Well Iām not Christian and I donāt believe in Jesus soā¦. š¤·š»āāļø
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u/AdMurky1021 Mar 07 '25
I didn't say it was the OG
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u/Cole444Train Mar 07 '25
What do you think āoriginalā means?
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u/AdMurky1021 Mar 07 '25
What do you think Greek means? I did say original Greek, not original Hebrew.
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u/Cole444Train Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
āThe original Greekā implies the original text is Greek. This is a weird way to save face. Iām not sure why the original Koine Greek matters anyway because:
1) we donāt have the first translations to Greek
2) even if we did, often a lot of meaning is lost in translation, and it wasnāt translated to Greek until over 1,000 years after it was written.
So why even bring up the āoriginal Greekā (which we donāt have)? It wouldnāt demonstrate anything. So what if the Greek says āboyā? The Hebrew is what matters.
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u/Joe__Exotica Mar 06 '25
There are multiple passages condemning being gay though. Not a word against pedos in the whole book.
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u/Alan_309 Mar 06 '25
My brother in christ, this is a joke. Take a hit and pass it along the holy smoke circle
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u/orbjo Mar 06 '25
It also says we shouldnāt look at each others nakedness A LOT.
And technically everything done outside the garden of Eden is sinful. The whole point of the first story is they are kicked out of the good place for being shits and sent to bozoville, population us (I read a modernised version from 1980)
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u/prpslydistracted Mar 06 '25
https://www.treehugger.com/animals-can-change-their-sex-4869361
If God doesn't have an issue with it why should you?
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u/The69Alphamale Mar 06 '25
Don't confuse them with science. Oh wait, science is bad, so they won't even see this, let alone try to find someone to read it to them.
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u/Short-Paramedic-9740 Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
God openly expressed it doesn't support homosexuality in the Bible. (Leviticus 18:22)
But God, also doesn't support hate, discrimination, or indifference against homosexual people. In fact, it promotes love to all kinds of people that expressed themselves different than what is only approved by God.
Despite not approving of homosexuality, you should still respect, and love them. You'd know a true Christian by just this, because then it means they actually read the Bible.
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u/prpslydistracted Mar 07 '25
We know ... I have seen more hate directed at homosexuals by "Christians" than any other demographic. Name calling, aggressive harassment, beatings, killings, bombings ... how very "Christian" of them.
I've seen more compassion and general respect from gay coworkers toward anyone and everyone they meet. I saw gay men stopped at the door of church, shunned, and greeters refuse to shake their hands in welcome.
Hate is a sin.
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u/chrissie_watkins Mar 07 '25
Not all interpretations agree that it refers to homosexuality. I've seen numerous scholars present compelling arguments that the original language referred to incest or child molestation. Here's one I found just now, but there are plenty of others that go into detail about the translations from Hebrew, Greek, etc. of various supposedly anti-gay bible passages and how they can be interpreted.
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u/prpslydistracted Mar 07 '25
Fine article; I've bookmarked it for reference. I've long had an issue with the various translations (embarrassed American here I only speak and read English). Had a close Greek friend ages ago; she preferred her Greek Bible and stated how very different her Greek Bible read over English translations.
One word could change the whole meaning of a sentence. I can't remember exactly but at the time it was profound. On https://www.biblegateway.com/ there are 27 different English translations ... that doesn't even touch all the various languages and dialects of the world. We have a Jew who married into the family who isn't wholly Christian nor an observant Jew. We've talked a lot about that.
If there is any issue that would be damning today with biblical teaching it is how Christians conveniently ignore Abraham marrying his half sister. Then Noah sleeping with his daughters-in-laws and granddaughters, drunk or not; they are championed as Old Testament patriarchs. Then Lot tries to traffic his daughters to Sodomites. Then his daughters sleep with their father.
We know, the OT is a historical record of a people rather than a moral standard, but the killings and rapes; dang ....
I refuse to condemn; particularly when my homosexual coworkers (since retired) were some of the kindest, most upright people I've ever met.
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u/keeleon Mar 07 '25
Animals also rape each other constantly....
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u/prpslydistracted Mar 07 '25
You're ascribing human/consciousness morals to animals?
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u/wildmonster91 Mar 06 '25
I mean thats disputed. From what i gather its talking about the commonality of preditory rape either in or out of marrage. Even the man lays with man issue is referencing the marrital status of the man with a woman. But sure bible is correct and earth is only 6 thousand years old.
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u/wildmonster91 Mar 06 '25
I mean thats disputed. From what i gather its talking about the commonality of preditory rape either in or out of marrage. Even the man lays with man issue is referencing the marrital status of the man with a woman. But sure bible is correct and earth is only 6 thousand years old.
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u/Godofmytoenails Mar 06 '25
Funniest thing about posts like these as you see delusional christianity defenders in the comments
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u/TheButcherOfBaklava Mar 06 '25
1 Corinthians 6:9.
People like to adapt the Bible to their needs, thatās regardless of the side youāre on. I donāt like when people say the Bible doesnāt denounce gay people. It most certainly does.
You should still love your neighbor and let god judge, if that is your belief system.
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u/mischievous0ne 29d ago
Paul wrote these as letters to threaten his 'flock' to do as he wanted and a lot of these letters really come off as drunk texts.
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u/Nuppusauruss Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
Most of the time when Christians say that homosexuality is not a sin, what they mean is that we all are born with desires and tendencies. Simply having these tendencies is not sinful, it's just a part of being a human. Of course they usually just stop there, because the next part that's implied is that engaging in homosexual acts is a sin, even if having those wants isn't a sin. Which means that homosexuals aren't free to express their sexuality in Christianity, which might as well mean that Christianity doesn't accept homosexuality.
Of course there are plenty of more secular or liberal Christians who also accept homosexual acts, but just be aware whenever somebody specifically says that being a homosexual isn't a sin. They might not be as tolerant as they want you to think.
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u/literallyhundreds Mar 06 '25
I would argue that it doesn't necessarily matter if it's a sin or not. We're all sinners in one way or another. It's not our place to judge others on their sin. "Take the plank out of your own eye." Matthew 7:3-5
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u/Pan7h3r Mar 06 '25
Exactly this, being gay isn't a sin.. as long as you live the rest of your life celibate.
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u/Mo-shen Mar 07 '25
The division here is that the claim that being gay is bad is actually a mistranslation.
The passive anti game people claim is "don't sleep with men" but many scholars say it's actually "dont sleep with boys"
The first interpretation is about gay people where ask the second is pedophilia.
Secondly gay relationships were extremely normal in the past and not seen as anything abnormal. In fact most societal rules simply revolved around how a woman was able to behave, patriarchy etc. Its not till much later when Christians decide they dislike gay relationships.
Lastly if memory serves there are stories of Jesus helping gay couples and it's not an issue. My memory is fuzzy on how many there are as it's been a while.
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u/mischievous0ne 29d ago
King James really liked little boys. I wonder which version decided to change boy to man? š¤
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u/Mo-shen 29d ago
No idea but many Jewish scholars openly say the old testament is talking about pedophilia and not being gay.
I guessing it's the usual thing that a group gains power and decides to fix things. Similar to getting a new manager or CEO that needs to reshape the business into their image.
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u/neeeeonbelly 28d ago
I know many pastors. Being a pastor doesn't mean you're an expert on anything. And all across christianity, pastors disagree about fucking everything lol
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u/polandreh Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
He may be a pastor, but he's clearly wrong.
I mean, aside from the Leviticus quotes, which are quite explicit, there's also many references against sodomy... which means I also would go to Hell, and I'm not gay, wink wink.
Edit: downvote me all you want. You're just defending a book whose followers have committed atrocities and numerous massacres in its name (Crusades, inquisitions, forced conversions, slavery, etc.), and whose stories within describe massacres against whoever goes against their ideas (Noah's flood, the Canaanites, the plagues of Egypt,...). Your so-called "religions of peace" are anything but that.
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u/FjortoftsAirplane Mar 06 '25
Exactly what the sins of Sodom were in the Bible can be debated. Other references to same sex relations come under other laws that aren't thought to be needed to be followed today (no shellfish and all that jazz). It takes some work but there are ways to interpret it all to get to a Bible that doesn't condemn homosexuality.
Honestly, I think we'll probably get to a point where a lot of major denominations take those interpretations seriously. And, not being Christian, I don't really want discourage that. At the same time, it is creative interpretation, and it commits them to saying that for so many centuries people were just completely confused what the hell the Bible even meant until the rest of us figured out it was fine to be gay. Isn't the whole point supposed to be that they have this unchanging moral guide and they know better than the rest of us?
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u/AdMurky1021 Mar 06 '25
There are zero references to sodomy. There are a few about Sodomy, the city.
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u/polandreh Mar 06 '25
Well, d'uh. The word sodomy was derived from the city, but they didn't have a word for "anal sex" as such, which is why they come up with colorful metaphors to refer to it.
In 1 Corinthians, the original Greek uses words that refer to the passive and active participants to say "men who practice homosexuality,"
Saying the Bible does not condemn homosexuality is taking the texts out of its historical context and cherrypicking its meaning.
People want to paint these religions as progressive and inclusive, but tend to forget all the horrible things that happened in their name.
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u/Gravbar Mar 06 '25
Leviticus is basically deleted by the new testament. go through and you'll realize it's an entire book of rules that Christians don't follow. the point is that Jesus through coming unbounded us from those rules.
also sodomy didn't mean what it means now.
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u/Wimbledofy Mar 06 '25
https://biblehub.com/matthew/5-17.htm
So what is Jesus referring to here?
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u/Gravbar Mar 06 '25
Okay, explain why Christians don't follow the rules in the book of Leviticus then. Your options are A) because they don't believe they apply or B) because they are all sinning. If A) then it would be inconsistent to pick and choose rules from that book, if B) at least you're consistent, but now you can't eat shellfish.
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u/Wimbledofy Mar 07 '25
Acts 10, starting from verse 10 Peter has a vision. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%2010&version=ESV
Romans 14 Also talks about unclean foods. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%2014&version=ESV
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u/literally_tho_tbh Mar 06 '25
What did Bilbo mean when he said Old Toby was the finest pipeweed in all the Shire? It's about as real and tangible as anything said in the bible
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u/Cole444Train Mar 06 '25
Jesus said several times (according to your wacky book at least) that you must keep all of the old law. He also contracted this several times, so do with that what you will
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u/Gravbar Mar 06 '25
My point is that either Christians should follow all the rules in Leviticus or none of them. In fact, they disregard most of them, and only mention the book because it says a man shouldn't lay with another.
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u/Cole444Train Mar 06 '25
Well it is literally impossible to follow all of them bc several of them contradict. But I hear you
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u/polandreh Mar 06 '25
Yeah.... he also said his one commandment was "Love one another". But we know how much Christians tend to ignore that one....
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u/AffectionateHand2206 Mar 06 '25
He isn't. Christianity means freedom from the laws given to Moses which are considered as part of God's covenant with Israel.
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u/LeroyoJenkins Mar 06 '25
I mean, the bar for being a pastor is very low, a pastor is as an expert in the bible as a used car salesman is an expert in car mechanics.