r/electricvehicles • u/Receding_Hairline23 • 2d ago
News Billions In U.S. EV Projects Stalled As China Speeds Ahead
https://insideevs.com/news/755658/america-ev-boom-hits-a-wall/63
u/chronocapybara 2d ago
This is what happens when you elect politicians and a president that are vocally anti-EV.
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u/nowyuseeme 2d ago
And stupid, like really, really stupid.
Any reasonably aware human can see the future is in renewables and electrification, so to back the dinosaur juice rather than putting huge investment into renewables is just mind blowing.
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u/shares_inDeleware beep beep 2d ago
Not just stupid, but nasty and petty. The most miserable, obnoxious excuse for a human being.
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u/eggybread70 1d ago
And anti-expert.
But who's going to tell trump what's what? "They say I could have been a (insert unlikely area of academic achievement here)" It's depressing that so many people voted in this complete charlatan.
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u/ciopobbi 2d ago
Oh don’t worry. According to the Orange Buffoon, auto factories will be built and up and running in weeks employing thousands of workers making cars which run on “clean coal”!
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u/Lopsided_Quarter_931 1d ago
They will employ thousands of workers and also be fully robotic to compensate for higher wages.
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u/Galacticwave98 2d ago
The benefits of a country that lives in reality and not some fabricated delusional world where fossil fuels will be relevant forever.
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u/Galacticwave98 1d ago
Teslas are poorly built. EVs aren’t. I can tell you don’t actually know anything about EVs and have never driven one. They’re superior to ICE vehicles, fewer moving parts and just generally nicer to drive. Has your gas powered phone and computer working out for you? Electrification is just a natural step for technology.
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u/Galacticwave98 1d ago
Okay, the used ones are ready for you and they are cheap. You can get Chevy Equinox EV for $28k, you don’t know these things because you don’t actually know anything about EVs.
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u/oroechimaru 2d ago
Well China lives in delusion of many horrible atrocities, but Americans are choosing their delusion not being forced to forget tragedies.
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u/This_Is_The_End 2d ago
Autoline Network After Hours on YT today was not that optimistic. The industry needs at least a year to remodel supply lines and prices will go up. They talked about 5k to 10k
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u/tech57 2d ago
DEFCON 1 on Trump's Tariffs; Preparing for the Nuclear Fallout - AAH 737
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Si8rn7vZMM
The make '74 Duster great again episode?
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u/ChipsAndSalsaWithBib 1d ago
Most efforts to bring production back to the US will take years, and there will be much more automation if that happens- and fewer humans required. Meanwhile, with significantly increased prices, and increased uncertainty, sales will drop and layoffs will follow.
This is not the way to strengthen the US in the short or long term.
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u/Cat385CL 1d ago
The President could do something to spur domestic production. In fact, he already did it. Joe Biden did.
And now, thanks to Trump, that is all getting canceled or moved elsewhere.
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u/evilfungi 1d ago
Putting all your best EV hopes on Tesla was a bad mistake, especially when it is so dominated by a egotistical maniac, maybe if Musk can be forced to sell off Tesla. The Japanese and Europeans will eventually reach parity in a decade with copying, experimentation and market research. The Americans don't even seems to be trying at this stage.
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u/Kandiruaku 1d ago
US politician agenda states "I am focused on energy", meaning fossil fuels and smoker cars, the ones that stuff his pockets. Civic consciousness and care for the future generations means nothing when you live for quarter to quarter profits. Thank you Big Oil!
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u/Sea-Interaction-4552 1d ago
It’s almost like we were already trying to bring back manufacturing, was it just the wrong manufacturing?
Foreign auto plants that are already here are going to layoff American workers because of tariffs on parts
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u/MaxAdolphus 2d ago
And to quote myself last month of why I returned to a PHEV (Rav4 Prime) after 6 years of BEVs...
Sold the Tesla while it had at least some value (resale sucks, and I only see it getting worse). -Went plug-in hybrid because I think this administration is going to cut all EV charge network funding Biden put in place in his Infrastructure Act. I think charge network growth will be almost stagnant for the next 5 years. -Done with Tesla until they get rid of Musk.
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u/wintertash 2d ago
We traded our 2018 Model 3 for a 2022 NiroEV because with the tax credit at point of sale, we were only out a few hundred on fees, no tax in our state. I’m blown away by the efficiency and comfort of the Niro, but we’ve also got a 1978 Mercedes 240D we’ve been bringing back to life, which may end up being our road trip car.
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u/EnvironmentalBad1221 2d ago
Ohio was smart enough to get most of the nevi chargers in before trump took office. We had the first in the USA .ionna will be paying for their own with he car manufacturer pay for them . Pilot flying j is doing well . People put too much on what trump did. Chargers are still being installed every day by ChargePoint ev go ev connect shell bp pulse .
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u/rdyoung 2d ago
Ionna is the one I'm watching closely. The closest one is 90 miles away so I can't use it regularly just to show support but I spend a few bucks there every chance I can.
I've been less than impressed with evgo in general and at pilot/flying j. Even in the middle of summer with no one else charging I can't break 65kwh while an EA at a sheetz or wmt has me hitting 150+ with others charging and 200+ with no one around. Unless others step up their game, this industry will be dominated by the tesla, EA and Ionna (assuming they can do even half of what they are aiming).
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u/MaxAdolphus 2d ago
I fear the non-Tesla chargers will become even more neglected than they are with less funding available.
I've said, I hope I'm wrong, but I see a best case scenario of stagnant development. Worse case a some of these companies go bankrupt with no funding and we're left with a fractured network. That's just my future prediction. If I was actually good a predicting the future, I'd be a multi-millionaire from the stock market, so there is that.
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u/rdyoung 2d ago
You are wrong here. Yes, we should be funding this federally especially getting chargers at rest stops along highways, at state and federal parks, etc, but, we have Ionna (which is a joint venture among basically all legacy manufacturers) and they are pushing hard to have a probably unreachable number of plugs installed over the next few years. We also have EA finally taking this seriously and not treating it like it's a community service. Ionna already has at least 2 nacs plugs at each station and EA will probably start swapping some ccs out for nacs as they upgrade units. Evgo recently got a sizable loan from the feds to expand. Walmart and Costco are working on branded chargers at stores and I'm sure there are more e.
Trump and his handlers have definitely dampened the expansion and adoption of evs but this is a train that won't stop and will continue to gain speed. This industry isn't going anywhere and so long as the demand is there, new charging stations will be built. This is the upside of a free market. So long as demand is (or is projected to be) there, supply will be there to match it.
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u/MaxAdolphus 2d ago
So a company that is dependent upon funding from automakers that are greatly impacted by Trump tariffs won't have their funding impacted? You know that Ionna did plan on using funds from the funds infrastructure bill, but scaled back to not use them while keeping the door open to that funding if it did become available. I again worry that all these big plans will change with tariffs and the impending Trump recession/depression.
I also see their introductory rate is $0.48/kwh, which makes that almost double what gasoline costs per mile.
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u/rdyoung 2d ago
You said yourself you can't really read the market well or else you would be making bank trading stocks. Maybe you should listen to yourself and stop arguing. I'm not worried about Ionna going forward. Between the ?8? companies behind Ionna, that's a lot of resources and sources for loans if they want to stay liquid. They don't need the fed funds but obviously they would happily use them.
I also see their introductory rate is $0.48/kwh, which makes that almost double what gasoline costs per mile.
They just dropped rates at several chargers down to as low as 35¢. But your take on this makes nothing you have to say worth listening to. For fuel alone, yes, that is approximately twice what it cost when gas was around $2.5/gallon, but, what you are missing is what you aren't spending on other maintenance.
I'm done here because like usual, those who know the least have the most to say. If suggest you start paying closer attention to things and stop trying to swallow your feet.
Have a nice day now.
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u/Tech_Philosophy 2d ago
No, thinking EVs are going to do anything but increase in popularity is just not looking at the big picture.
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u/Honorable_Heathen 1d ago
We voluntarily took the loss in this market already.
Back to gas and coal so we can Make America Great Again! 😐
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u/CaptainRAVE2 1d ago edited 1d ago
I suspect their push with EVs will eventually see them move past the US as the leading superpower. It’s a smart move.
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u/Cat385CL 1d ago
The US is considered a superpower only because of its military. We’ve been running this country in the red since 2001, when 20 individuals wiped out the US economy. We’ve been voluntarily surrendering our freedoms and privacy ever since, and only by running a deficit do we continue to be a superpower.
The US, on the global stage, is laughable and should be ignored. Japan holds $1T in US securities. China has $800B.They should cash it in on Monday and watch us flop like fish out of water.
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u/Vg_Ace135 2024 Mini Cooper SE 2d ago
China is going to zoom past us and we won't ever catch up. trump has assured that. Smh.