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u/waitthatstaken 1d ago
Gleba has the best tech, but I don't recommend going there first because of how dangerous the enemies there are, and how it takes time to wrap your head around how you are even meant to play the place.
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u/Prior_Memory_2136 1d ago
Gleba has the best tech
This meme is like the factorio equivallent of telling anime newcomers to watch boku no piko.
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u/waitthatstaken 1d ago
No? Gleba has both the most and the most impactful tech, it is just the biochambers that can't compare with foundries and electrodynamic plants that give it a bad image.
You get biolabs (aka 2x science, ignoring productivity), prod module 3s, epic quality, advanced asteroid processing, asteroid processing productivity, rocket turrets, spidertrons, rocket fuel productivity, plastic productivity, and as if all that was not already enough, 4x belt capacity via stack inserters.
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u/TheoneCyberblaze 1d ago
I still feel like foundries should work with heat directly instead of electricity to make it more cohesive. EM plants? Electricity. Biochambers? Nutrients. Meanwhile vulcanus has multiple great sources of direct heat: condensing water could output heat equivalent to the temp of the steam, placing heat pipes on the edge of a lava lake could heat them up passively, with the drawback being the finicky placement and having to choode between that, your pumps, and the garbage disposal. Also means that using it on other planets gets a bit more tricky
While i'm at it, steel casting should require carbon to justify the built-in 40% productivity in the recipe
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u/Prior_Memory_2136 1d ago
No? Gleba has both the most and the most impactful tech, it is just the biochambers that can't compare with foundries and electrodynamic plants that give it a bad image.
Unless we're counting fish and trees pretty sure vulcanus beats it out in quantity, even so gleba techs do nothing on their own and at best serve as amplifiers for the other planets.
You get biolabs (aka 2x science, ignoring productivity)
Biolabs give you x2 science, foundries and EM plants give you x2 EVERYTHING.
prod module 3s,
Yeah they're fine.
spidertrons
Also decent, but since the mechsuit exists its not as important as it used to be.
epic quality
Good luck making use of this without recyclers, qual 3s, foundries and EM plants.
advanced asteroid processing
You plan on using railguns to go between vulcanus and nauvis?
asteroid processing productivity,
The main bottleneck for inter system travel is lack of oxides, reprocessing covers that gap considerably better than gleba's techs. This is a cute bonus, but not a bottleneck.
rocket turrets
Rocket turrets are useless against biters and only needed for the aquillo route. As far as "first unlocks go" they won't do shit for you because you won't have any use for them until you beat the other planets anyway.
rocket fuel productivity, plastic productivity
Neither of these are ever bottlenecks unlike blue circuits or LDS.
and as if all that was not already enough, 4x belt capacity via stack inserters.
Before getting foundries, no person in the history of factorio has ever said "gosh darn it, I have too much iron and cannot transport it fast enough!"
Before foundries and EM plants throughput is never a bottleneck, production is. Since this argument is for "first planet", foundries and EM plants are going to solve 10 times more bottlenecks than stack inserters will at that stage of the game.
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u/LotusCobra 1d ago
This 100%. All of the Gleba techs are great endgame techs. Are people really using stacked belts & making epic items before going to their 2nd planet (without recyclers for that matter as you pointed out!)? The only great early rewards from Gleba are Biolabs & Spidertron. Which, both great, but getting Mech Armor & Foundries & EM Plants & Cliff Explosives & Artillery all feels much more impactful early on.
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u/Prior_Memory_2136 1d ago
Are people really using stacked belts & making epic items before going to their 2nd planet (without recyclers for that matter as you pointed out!)?
Yeah this always gets me lmao, at one point I have to question if these people even play the game.
What kind of builds are you running where you run out of belt throughput without foundries and are somehow making epic items without recyclers?
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u/bigrock13 1d ago
I cannot imagine actually doing Gleba first. It’d be insane. But I also hate Gleba so I’m biased
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u/Prior_Memory_2136 1d ago
I don't even hate gleba. I've done gleba only and wayward seas runs, but most gleba cultists are legit delulu.
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u/backwards_watch 1d ago
After a really high amount of hours, I was finally able to leave the first planet and conquered Fulgora!
I read that Gleba was better to go first, but since Fulgora has the new Meca Suit I decided to adventure myself here first.
This game is overwhelmingly huge!
EDIT: Oh, dammit! I just died by being hit by 3 lightnings...
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u/toni_toni 1d ago
Getting the mecha suit first is absolutely the right thing to do IMO. Its speed, mobility and immunity to trains can't be beat.
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u/Hatsune_Miku_CM 1d ago
I read that gleba was better to go first
people are messing with you. especially for a first time DLC player, gleba first is an awful idea.
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u/AlamoSimon 1d ago
I’ll never go to Gleba without artillery again. Make Vulcanus great again! Also it‘s arguably the easiest planet IMO.
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u/JohnSmiththeGamer Tree hugger 1d ago
It's my understanding that Gelba is best to go to first in a speedrun. Not in a first run. I'd recommend delaying it until you have everything else in a decent state, and can run supplies relevatively to it so you can fully focus on sovling the logistic problems rather than worrying about materials.
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u/Pankejx 1d ago
is the mech suit better than a spidertron?
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u/backwards_watch 1d ago
Probably not, overall, but it does allow you to fly over structures. You essentially get no collision anymore.
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u/Pankejx 1d ago
spidertrons can go over structures too, and are also fully immune to train damage
if mechs can’t be remotely controlled then they probably aren’t that worth it
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u/backwards_watch 1d ago
That was not my point. My point is that the meca gives your character these abilities. For me that's desirable.
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u/Soul-Burn 1d ago
Reminder that you crash landed on Nauvis. You were always an alien.