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u/DDFoster96 1d ago
Perhaps if it had an internal combustion engine rather than a steam engine it'd make it.
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u/Bobby5Spice 1d ago
Disgustingly destructive on the environment.
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u/RichardStinks 1d ago
Yes and no. Yes because LOOK AT IT. Certainly doesn't look good.
No because that person is probably out for a few hours, maybe a weekend. Slinging mud down already muddy trails and probably driving something more efficient for the day-to-day.
Compared to the exhaust from getting all that Temu, Shien, iPhones, Nikes, Hyundais and more shipped across the ocean? That jeep is a thimble-full comparatively. A mote. A mere speck of dust.
This is all assuming the jeep driver isn't a fucking asshole rolling coal and terrorizing Priuses.
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u/Klinky1984 1d ago
Shipping is the most efficient method of transport. Those ship engines are incredibly efficient. Though bunker fuel ain't great. A poorly tuned diesel or gas engine, especially one tuned to skirt emissions, is going to be pretty shit for the environment & very inefficient. A single iPhone across the ocean is probably closer to the thimble of fuel than this guy burning though gallons in a day
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u/RichardStinks 1d ago
Cargo shipping is as impactful as air travel. Estimates range from it being responsible for 3 to 10% of all air pollution.
My point is that it plays an unseen part that's unconsidered. Off roading is more conspicuous but certainly could not be as impactful.
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u/Klinky1984 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's probably closer to 3% for all global shipping freight vs 2.5% for just passenger (not freight) air travel. However that's an incredibly stupid comparison to make since passengers are not freight. A ship has incredible freight density, a passenger plane does not. Even modified cargo planes have poor density compared to a ship. You would need dozens of high-capacity wide-body cargo planes to match the capacity of a single large ship. A cargo plane must lift itself, the cargo, the fuel high into the air, which is incredibly inefficient. Per ton of freight a ship blows a plane out of the water as far as energy efficiency. The only benefit air freight has is speed. It is logistically more complicated (load/unload/ports/costs) and much more energy inefficient than shipping cargo.
If you're looking at the mudder here, he's incredibly energy inefficient. Passenger size of 1 burning through an inefficient engine spewing emissions directly into the local environment. He's got to be burning gallons of fuel in the day. There's a lot of energy density in a gallon of fuel. As far as usefully efficient use of energy, this is a complete waste. I am not sure I would say some dude burning through 10 gallons of fuel mudding in a jeep that gets like 15/mpg and has been modded to spew its toxic emissions straight out is really ethically or environmentally superior. I would probably lean towards the freight iPhone being more ethically sound because shipping is efficient and the iPhone is incredibly efficient computing device. If dude is mudding every weekend burning through hundreds of gallons of fuel every year, absolutely the iPhone wins. The iPhone doesn't burn hundreds of gallons of fuel in year and arguably has way more utility than mudding.
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u/genericgod 1d ago
Not defending container ships here, but they benefit way way more people than activities like this. You should consider the amount of pollution per person not overall.
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u/Klinky1984 1d ago
This jeep is also probably full of Chinese parts that came over on a cargo ship. The video is being shot on a phone from China too probably. Rolling coal is like a double whammy here.
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u/420-fresh 1d ago
Point still stands, it’s destructive to the environment. Just because other people are doing worse doesn’t mean you can lose accountability. That’s like saying, I get to rob people because the robberies I am producing pale in comparison to what the cartel does annually. This doesn’t make anything better, it just is supposed to detract from the original argument while leveraging nothing new on the original statement.
I hate the amount of people following this nowadays. I can litter and pollute and use as much single-use plastic because I will never produce as much as Walmart does. It’s logic for fools, and regressive from the culture I was raised in that valued conservation and environmental awareness.
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u/fishtagger 1d ago
I think maybe they were talking about the physical destruction versus the pollution. It is ripping through the vegetation and digging deeply into the ground.
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u/sirspores 1d ago
I'm pretty sure they were talking about the physical damage to the landscape/ecosystem and not the pollution potential.
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u/dysfunctus 1d ago
The mentality that I can imagine is: They built this cool toy and they like to play with it to see how well it works.
I do the same thing with bicycles cause they're cheaper and quieter than power gear like this thing.
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u/TheGreatBenjie 1d ago
Crazy how many people are defending this as a harmless "fun" hobby.
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u/curiouslyendearing 1d ago
I mean, the smoke is stupid. That's pretty universally agreed. But mudding is a legit fun hobby that's pretty harmless (unless you mod your vehicle to make lots of smoke like this asshole).
It's not like they do it wherever they want. There are dedicated off-road areas where they're allowed to do it and they stick to those. They're not wrecking anything for the rest of us. Just let people enjoy things, it's ok
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u/geodebug 1d ago
I think a lot of you don’t really understand what you’re seeing so are exaggerating the impact it has.
It isn’t like they’re tearing through a rainforest or public lands. These types of events happen in areas that are swampy, the greenery is just common grasses, bushes and weeds.
Tuning your truck to roll coal is asinine but the pollution for a day of bogging is probably the same as if you had a campfire going.
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u/TheGreatBenjie 1d ago
What a cope lmao no rolling coal is a LOT worse than a campfire holy shit
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u/geodebug 1d ago edited 1d ago
I don’t think you’ve done any research on how much wood burning pollutes.
Never mind that a lot of it happens in people’s homes in populated areas, so the air quality issues are more pressing than out in the boonies.
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u/Bactereality 1d ago
This thread is almost entirely with people judging and bitching about the harmless fun hobby.
Its very clear non of you here have ever been in a jeep, 4 wheeler, humvee. Theres probably plenty of fun events you somehow missed the invite for.
Rock crawling is fun, zipping up dunes is fun, slogging through mud courses on private property is fun. The problem with the hobby is that it requires money, mechanical aptitude, and most importantly -friends.
Perhaps that unique combination is why it seems so alien to so many of you. Bunch of stick-in-the muds judging a jeep in the mud. 🙄
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u/Own_Kaleidoscope5512 1d ago
It’s fun. That’s about it. People don’t always consider how the things we do impact the world around us.
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u/genericgod 1d ago
And thats why regulations exist.
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u/TheGreatBenjie 1d ago
No way that smoke us regulation...
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u/genericgod 1d ago
Well, thats my point. Regulations exist to stop people being inconsiderate.
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u/BoneHugsHominy 1d ago
No. Regulations exist to save lives.
There's an old saying that still rings true today.
Laws are written in ink.
Regulations are written in blood.
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u/manofth3match 1d ago
And let’s be real. The impact of that jeep on the world is minimal.
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u/TheGreatBenjie 1d ago
"My impact doesn't mean much" repeats the 8 billion humans....
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u/manofth3match 1d ago
This post has nothing to do with the general use of vehicles in the world and you know it.
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u/steelcryo 1d ago
Their point is if we all thought that way, the impact would be much more than "minimal"
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u/manofth3match 1d ago
Good thing we are a diverse world where there are many ways to enjoy yourself and not everyone is forced to have the same hobby
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u/steelcryo 1d ago
Well done on missing the point twice.
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u/manofth3match 1d ago
Oh I’m not missing it. It’s just not a good point. Nobody’s hobby is destroying the world. There are so many places that you should be directing your ire. The use of heavy fuel oil in shipping, fracking, deforestation, the ridiculous ways we leach many metals from ore, fossil fuel energy production. It goes on and on. But let’s worry about people’s hobbies and pretend they are the problem.
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u/steelcryo 1d ago
That's a whole paragraph about missing it, straight after saying you're not missing it.
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u/TheDunedain47 20h ago
This is a conservative troll; they will never get the point, because they are trolling.
Block the account and do not feed!
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u/THEpottedplant 1d ago
that jeep, sure. The cumulative effect of offroading vehicles is pretty fucking destructive
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u/manofth3match 1d ago
Not really. Pollution wise it’s trivial. If you want to talk about the destruction of a habitat, consider the roads you use daily were once a natural habitat as well. Just because it’s a paved road it doesn’t make it less destructive than a muddy trail.
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u/THEpottedplant 1d ago
Yeah, thats a valid point, civilization in general develops land and destroys the habitat of preexisting wild life. Thats why civilized people have tried to mitigate the damage we cause in the undeveloped spaces that remain, because, in many cases, these habitats are extremely fragile and their occupants do not have other habitats they can migrate to.
Your argument is essentially "offroading through the wilderness isnt bad because a lot of developed roads were once wilderness". I argue that this actually makes it worse, bc there is significantly less wilderness than there once was.
You describe the focus of the video as a muddy trail, but tbh it doesnt look like a trail to me. It looks like dude is going off trail and tearing the fuck out of a jungle. This situation, repeated all over the world in severely destabilized and fragile ecosystems, hurts the environment.
And to add context, ive offroaded most of my life. I love offroading, its a fucking blast, but when i go out to the desert, i stay on the trail, and i do my absolute best to respect the animals living out there that might not realize this is a trail.
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u/manofth3match 1d ago
It’s almost definitely a dedicated trail. There are places to do this and the trails are rated from easy to difficult. Some of the trails are intentionally in this condition and graded as the most difficult on the scale.
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u/This_Site_Sux 1d ago
The problem isn't one jeep.
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u/manofth3match 1d ago
This post isn’t about all vehicles in the world. Let’s not pretend it is. It’s about one guy with a hobby that OP doesn’t understand.
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u/Series94 1d ago
If what you're trying to suggest is that what's happening in this clip is not problematic because it doesn't noticably affect the world then that's terrible logic.
By that standard, murdering a random person would not be a problem because it doesn't have a noticeable affect on the world.
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u/manofth3match 1d ago
Equating the exhaust from a vehicle to murdering a person is a ridiculous false equivalency.
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u/Series94 1d ago
I'm simply saying that whether or not something affects the world is not an indicator as to if it's problematic or not. Nothing more, nothing less.
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u/tgrantta 1d ago
This feels like AI ragebait. The physics look off and the image is grainy/fuzzy. If I had to guess, I would say it was generated with Hunyuan.
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u/iBuyPi 1d ago
No it's real. Not my best title though.
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u/tgrantta 1d ago
Are you sure about that? The foliage changes behind the truck and the trees are different on the right as the camera pans left and right.
Also, it's hard to describe, but there's a 'vibe' to this image that current gen vid models have, not quite reality - but really, really close.
Good try, but next time maybe upscale and add a few more generation steps and pick a better seed if you want internet points?
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u/JakeEaton 1d ago
One thing I've come to hate is people saying AI generated on non AI generated images/videos but I absolutely have to agree with you. I'd say this is AI. It looks great! But the camera movement, the mud, it reminds me a bit of the pre-rendered FMV's in Final Fantasy 7 lol.
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u/EnragedEmu 1d ago
You probably spend money on and have hobbies others don't as well. What's you point?
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u/Poupulino 1d ago
When your hobby is destroying the ecosystem it's not a hobby, it's criminal insanity.
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u/EnragedEmu 1d ago edited 1d ago
The plants that would enjoy a climate with 3x the CO2 and agitating & aerating the soil. What about the ecosystem is being destroyed here exactly?
Also, given how established that mudhole is and the cost of the guys rig, it's all but guaranteed this is on private land. You people need to mind your own business. Buy an electric car that poisons Africa with cobalt and lithium if you want to feel better
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u/JohnnyCashedOut00 1d ago
I've got good news for you! You don't have to understand it. Now you can go on about your day :)
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u/Thisisaninues 1d ago
It's actually incredibly fun, I wasn't riding in a modded up jeep or anything but I didnt expect it to be such a great time.
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u/Bactereality 1d ago
These folks are just one friend away from maybe getting invited outside one day. Maybe their friend will have a job and a jeep!
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u/Silentwarfare13 1d ago
Every human is a unique individual with preference. We don't have to understand them all, but we can understand that many people like to have fun. This person is having fun
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u/TheGreatBenjie 1d ago
Destroying the environment.
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u/NetFu 1d ago
In a relatively tiny space.
Now, since I grew up in South Dakota where you could do something like this and see no real impact because of the incredibly low population density, but then I moved to California 35 years ago where we have far higher population density, I understand the biggest effect on the environment is simply population density.
You let people do this on a backroad in South Dakota, the next year the effect is mostly gone, repaired by nature. You let people do this on a backroad in California, because practically every backroad in California is traveled by 10,000 times as many people, and the environment is ruined for decades. I've seen it.
Basically, saying people cannot have fun like this anywhere, ever, is why red state people hate blue state people. In a blue state, I have to live with the fact that all our actions that affect the environment are highly regulated and restricted. In a red state, I don't give a fuck as I light the barrel of trash in my back yard on fire. 10,000 people living right next to each other doing that would be insane. But, not every place has a huge density of people, so there are different rules to respect the environment.
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u/Silentwarfare13 1d ago
Oh, yeah. I don't agree with that aspect at all. I thought op was just referring to mudding
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u/TheGreatBenjie 1d ago
The black smoke pumping out of the engine didn't catch your eye?
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u/Silentwarfare13 1d ago
Definitely did, but I didn't see anything in the title referring to the environment or the black smoke. Just assumed they didn't understand how someone could enjoy mudding. Never been mudding myself, but yeah. Just missed the point I suppose
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u/BetterZedThanDead 1d ago
Using.... the environment.
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u/TechnicalWhore 1d ago
Do you know how much Disneyworld and a hotel costs?! This is cheap home grown "fun" when your options are few and far between.
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u/gumundertheshoe 1d ago
If nothing in this video is currently in my backyard then exactly which aspect of this looks cheap
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u/-Johnny- 1d ago
I'm not into this stuff that much but instead of judging it for weird internet points... why not go try it and see why they like it so much?
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u/scott__p 1d ago
For anyone who is into off-roading, myself included, your vehicle runs much better when it's tuned for performance instead of owning the libs by rolling coal