r/graphic_design • u/Distinct_Laugh_7979 Designer • 3d ago
Asking Question (Rule 4) It's just sad....
I designed a book for my client with 150+ pages and it was for a school curriculum book. Included 30,000 words, 150 images and lots of designs and illustrations (outsourced). I quoted a good amount from client and just wanted to check what would "Freelancers on Fiverr" would charge? Guess what? The highest bid i received was $400 and lowest was $300. I was SHOCKED!!!! Like these are the guys who are destroying out market!
Once a buyer get something from Fiverr he will always cry about rates with a non-fiverr freelancer... Then i repeatedly said "You will design exact same?" They replied "Yes Sir! 100% same including 2x book covers too"
I'm really beyond shocked how this is acceptable?
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u/vanugget 3d ago
It is wild. I tested working with someone from Fiverr once and got a lot of “Yes! 100% same! Next day!” energy… followed by two rounds of feedback and a result that looked nothing like what was promised. 😂
A while back, we made a small Wix site for someone. They later hired someone on Fiverr to update it and the guy completely broke it. Guess who had to come back and fix it again? 🙃
The price dumping alone is frustrating, but what really gets me is the false confidence. Promising the world for cheaps sets totally unrealistic expectations for quality, timelines, and how much actual effort goes into doing something right. It hurts everyone who’s trying to do solid, sustainable work.
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u/molten-glass 3d ago
You're right, it's not just that people are doing work for cheap, it's that they're using our industry to promise one thing, take payment, and deliver another. That also hurts us
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u/ressdek 3d ago
How does someone even break a Wix site? Did they not understand page templates or something?
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u/vanugget 3d ago
That surprised me too, haha. Margins were off, animations gone, icons cut off… and somehow, they never thought to hit the back button to undo their creativity 😂
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u/Daisee07 3d ago
I think part of the issue is also that many clients who want graphic design services don’t always know what really good design looks like and what it takes to make something good from a completely blank canvas. They may not always know they’re not getting original designs either when they hire really cheap services but they got what they needed.
Also, canva has made everyone into a designer whether they’re good or bad. They still claim the title.
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u/ezbookdesign 3d ago
There will always be cheap designer alternatives. I don’t think anyone using Fiver is expecting something with style or finesse. It’s a means to an end, they just want “any” graphic. If they care how it looked they’d seek out a specific designer.
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u/mostawesomemom 2d ago
Had a client who came to me after they used Fiverr. The logo they received was just clip art and some text and the person that did the work didn’t know how to make something unique.
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u/f_catulo 3d ago
I’ve said this before in this sub, but people’s reaction to AI was my reaction to fiverr when I first learned about it idk how long ago. And I think the effects of fiverr were much more tangible. As of right now, AI affects illustrators more than anyone else. Fiverr breaks everyone’s legs.
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u/tweak06 Senior Designer 3d ago
I made a comment about AI and getting direction from clients, and AI not being able to discern strategy, abstract concepts, etc.
All the rebuttals I’m getting are from jabronis who think we’re just sitting around drawing pictures all day 🤦♂️
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u/f_catulo 3d ago
Yeah, AI is not good at abstraction at all. I think the reason you get jabronis in online GD circles is that unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on where you stand) there is very little to no gatekeeping for the profession. So there are people who genuinely believe that it’s just drawing pictures. I’ve got blank stares in the past when talking about methodology and planning that goes beyond drawing pictures.
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u/blazingunicorn 3d ago
I think a lot of designers do a bad job of explaining their ROI to potential clients. You need to think in business terms and explain how your services are an overall time saver, and how they impact the bottom line. A lot of other professions do this, but I think it’s a huge skill set that most designers have never been forced to develop.
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u/f_catulo 3d ago
Big time. In my contracts for freelance work I usually include a pretty comprehensive outline of what my process and methodology look like, what I do every step of the way, and where the client’s input fit into the whole thing. So far it’s been great.
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u/blazingunicorn 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yeah because honestly most business owners don’t care if it’s a template, they just want something that looks professional enough and has no huge glaring errors.
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u/BlackTouchDesignCo 3d ago
I dislike fiverr more than Ai to be completely honest! Maybe because I use ai as a brainstorm tool. But I've always felt like Fiverr killed the market and now ppl think designs should cost $40🤦🏾♂️
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u/ZealousidealDig2057 3d ago
W🤔RD … I was just having this very conversation with a person that’s supposed to be a business advisor. He called me an old school designer because I refuse to use Canva, or Fiverr for freelance assistance. He’s about to advise his ass out of a job with me.
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u/BlackTouchDesignCo 3d ago
I tired canva only to help a client out. But , it made me realize that I hate canva!😂
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u/ZealousidealDig2057 3d ago
I’ve tried to help family members out when they’ve gotten stuck or realized the difference from what I can do that what they’ve created in Canva. 😵💫 Only once have I seen a credible design & illustration created in Canva. I’ll stick to my 32 years of professional experience, knowledge & strength in Illustrator, PS & InDesign.
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u/Consistent-Music464 2d ago
So if you’re an illustrator and anyone else, your legs and backs are being destroyed by both AI and Fiverr?
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u/9inez 3d ago
You simply don’t want the client with that mentality. Move on.
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u/mike-french-creative 3d ago
Exactly this.
My clients know there's plenty of people "cheaper" than me, but favour the value I bring to the table. Be the better value.
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u/illimilli_ 3d ago
yes! I always hear things like this and think, "well that's just not my client then." My current clients value quality design and that's why they hire me.
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u/Icy_Vanilla_4317 3d ago
If I could have chosen my own graphic designer last time I needed one, I would have picked a pricier and better one. Unfortunately the sign shop I went to only accepted work from their own, and he sucked so bad that I had to ask him to change 90% of the work with strict directions, and then replace the other projects I had on my hands with Word, text documents and an HP printer.
Deliver decent work, and people like me never complaiin about your rates. But when I ask for minimalistic design with examples, and what I get is equivalent of The Mirror Hall of Golestan Palace on a menu card, my mind freezes.
It was for a family business and I had my hands full at the time.
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u/Icy_Vanilla_4317 3d ago
What I'm trying to say is, don't be discouraged OP. There are people willing to pay for quality work.
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u/9inez 3d ago
That’s crazy that any sign shop would refuse to accept outside files.
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u/Icy_Vanilla_4317 3d ago
I've never seen that before either, and I was so done.
I know lots of good places in Denmark, because that's where I've worked as a designer lol but this happened in Sweden and I was too busy working on my family's business to bother with design myself.
Looking back at it now, I wish I had kept the test print they gave me, but I was so mad back then that I draw red circles around everything that I wanted them to remove, and gave it back to them + instructions to everything they had to correct/ change.
Ok I should stop thinking about this haha, I can feel I'm getting mad again.
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u/olookitslilbui 3d ago
It’s the downside of globalization. You have Fiverr and Upwork as well as newer design companies that are promising unlimited design with 1-day turnarounds for a low flat fee monthly. They’re also either outsourcing to countries where the low pay actually goes quite far or underpaying designers, so the prices are extremely low.
My company has used contractors from Fiverr / with an agency who outsourced the team we work with to India, and IMO the work is just not up to par.
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u/Radiant-Security-347 Executive 3d ago
That “unlimited design” offer is a lie.
What they really mean is “unlimited REQUESTS” - it’s just one more way to scam clients.
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u/olookitslilbui 3d ago
Oh absolutely, the fine print is something like one design at a time. Not sure if that means if for example the client wants a set of multiple different ad concepts, each one counts as 1. But I’d imagine if they wanted multiple web pages it would have to be 1 by 1, and each one would take multiple revisions bc clients almost never have content ready to go/will change their minds
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u/ComplainAboutVidya 3d ago
Expect more blatant theft and undercutting from the hacks on fiver as AI encroaches on their niche of “cheap and quick.”
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u/PatientTechnical1832 3d ago
Here’s the thing with this. The type of clients on Fiverr are just not your target market, they are the type of people who will never pay more than what they pay on Fiverr, if they even pay at all. They do not value design, they hire designers only because they feel they have to, rather than want to. These places have always existed. There’s people on there who do what I do (UX and UI design) for a fraction of what I charge, yet I have made a great living with my target market, for nearly 10 years. There’s always a cheap option in any industry, but not everyone wants the cheap option. You’re not competing with these people, you’re competing with people who charge around the same as you, and target the same types of customers. Focus on doing great work for great clients, they’ll keep coming back, because trust is worth a lot more than a cheap rate on Fiverr.
I thought Squarespace, Wix, Webflow and the likes would kill the Webdesign market, but it didn’t. The people who wanna do their website that way, were never going to pay someone to do it for them anyway. Different means for different needs, is all.
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u/Reasonable-Peanut-12 3d ago
What was the amount you quoted may I ask?
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u/Distinct_Laugh_7979 Designer 3d ago
$4600.
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u/Reasonable-Peanut-12 3d ago
Thank you for disclosing the price. Nevertheless, I'm pretty sure Fiverr's quality is ten times worse than yours.
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u/artisgilmoregirls 3d ago
Which is why any positive mention of Fiverr or Upwork should be immediately deleted in this sub.
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u/Word_Panda7 3d ago
Note surprised. I quickly discovered that Fiverr is for designers who live in a country with a relatively low cost of living, otherwise there is no way to make it makes sense to do work there as a designer. Then that results in clients expecting a lot of options at a ridiculously low rate that regular freelancers can't match.
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u/ConclusionDifficult 3d ago
That $300 will probably last them the month. It's not that their prices are cheap, it's that the cost of living is cheaper than here. Answer is to move over there.
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u/True_Window_9389 3d ago
You get what you pay for. Fiverr and Upwork were supposed to destroy creative work in the developed world in the same way people talk about AI now. Why would anyone use domestic designers when you could outsource it to India or the Philippines for a small fraction of the cost. At the end of the day, people still work with domestic designers. There was inevitable impact, but it was not apocalyptic.
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u/FiddlyCoop 3d ago
My girlfriend used Fiverr for a portfolio website. The web designer she contacted had a portfolio of sexy-ish sites they had made. About three times later than expected she got a piece-of-shit website, nothing like she had designed and proposed, barely functioning, no CMS - a real fucking charlatan. So she used Semplice and made the exact thing she wanted.
I used it once for some lettering - a simple logo but in a brush script with some bespoke touches. That was actually pretty good. Fiverr works for the simpler stuff. Never, ever use it for anything more complex.
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u/EldritchAdam 3d ago
We've gotten a good number of clients who start on some sort of outsourcing and ultimately grow frustrated with the poor communication and even just the time zone difference complicating turnaround times. Yeah, my company is many times more expensive, but we live in the same market/culture/language and can meet face-to-face. These still mean a lot. Despite the cheap overseas labor, we keep getting jobs.
I'm far more concerned about AI. Not as it is now, but as it will be soon. There will continue to be a benefit working with real humans for a while, especially given our cross-disciplinary makeup (marketing, writing, SEO, design) but I expect AI to eventually outclass us on all of these - faster, cheaper, equally personalized ... its trajectory of progress is so profoundly fast and impressive. As it moves alongside robotics and self-driving vehicles, honestly I don't know what field is a good one for my son to consider moving into and when there's no place for me as a designer, I'm probably going to have to take a massive pay cut as an entry-level laborer ... to be replaced in another decade by a more efficient robot.
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u/dipmyballsinit 3d ago
The theme in America now is this - you will live earning less. This government is trying to destroy the middle class, because we require too much money to work.
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u/moreexclamationmarks Top Contributor 3d ago
Get what you pay for. And is it any different from any other industry or field where people are independent contractors?
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u/Oceanbreeze871 3d ago
I’ve actually had to hire Fiverr guys to do quick things that my client didn’t want to justify me spending time on, like animate a web graphic and it’s obvious they have one template and it’s not great. They took zero direction and just give you whatever for $50.
Buying stock images would have been better
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u/GABAAPAM 3d ago
That's basically globalization and free trade, 400 hundred bucks in other countries can be a good chunk of money, the same way a thsirt factory wouldn't be competitive in the USA, maybe the work would be a POS, I don't know, but from an economic standpoint it could be that he's just more competitive than you because of lower wages, we have seen this in many other industries.
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u/seamew 3d ago
fiverr is mostly filled with side-gig hobbyists, not true designers, from third-world countries. the dollar is worth more in their country than it is in a place like america, so they can charge way less, in order to win the bid, than someone from the west without any issues, because no matter how much they get paid, they still come out on top compared to someone like a local food cart vendor.
the clients don't know any better, because they assume that whoever is on the other end is a professional, and will do as good of a job as someone who's charging 5-10 times more, so they let them take the lead, and then they wind up with a junk end-result, scratching their head, wondering what went wrong after the "designer" takes the money and stops responding.
i've recently came across something like this in a web-dev community. tons of these "full-stack" developers, with no knowledge of anything web-related. they just use builders like wix, webflow, and framer, and the results are horrendous. just copy-paste templates, and make everyone's sites looks exactly the same. the sites don't work properly, don't have any proper seo. the clients are just throwing money out of the window, because the sites don't convert visitors into buyers.
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u/LollyAdverb 3d ago
Waaaay back in the PageMaker days, I used to design books for small publishers as a freelancer. I'd get many thousands of $$ per job.
I toyed with getting back into it, but I saw quotes of $350 on fiverr and said "fuck it"
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u/Celtics2k19 3d ago
But what you get from fiver is trash, good clients see the value from good designers.
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u/idcboutmyusername 3d ago
Go to your local businesses, skip the low rates, and build a meaningful relationship to get better results. Ignore Fiverr.
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u/spider_speller Art Director 3d ago
People get what they pay for. One of my clients came to me after she tried to get a new logo on Fiverr. The designs were very bland and not at all her vibe. She loved the logo I ended up making for her. To me, that’s a perfect illustration of why someone should hire a designer—we listen, we make things specifically for the client, and 99% of the time, they’re going to be happy with the result.
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u/curiousbikkie 3d ago
You get what you pay for, and any client worth their salt understands this. Sites like Fiverr do not attract good talent, good projects, or good clients.
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u/echo_c1 18h ago
It’s a free market economy. When most of the companies outsource their production to Bangladesh, India, Vietnam, China it’s okay that we buy our devices for cheaper, but then it’s a problem when they offer other services for cheaper as well? I mean you could pay 10.000$ for a MacBook Air if it was produced in UK or US, but you never think that it destroys the market when this is not the case.
I understand your frustration but there are different levels of service and different levels of customers who are looking for that services. You may say that cheap offerings (compared to your country not the country person who is offering it lives at) are destroying the market, someone else can say that this makes design democratic and accessible.
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u/ambitions-are-low 3d ago
It’s like anything though, you get what you pay for. Any client worth having will understand that.
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u/nycraylin 3d ago edited 3d ago
If they can't afford it, they can't afford to fix it after it gets messed up/done wrong.
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u/swiftswiftie47 3d ago
I india I know a lot of graphic designers whose salary is 250 usd. Like a 1000 dollars is probably a very good monthly slaary for a graphic designer
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u/Icy-Formal-6871 3d ago
don’t play the race to the bottom. look at this this way; you can buy £5 pair of shoes but £5000 shoes exist and people buy them. not the same people obviously. but there’s little about the existence of the £5 shoe that says the £5000 shoes should cost less. raise the bar, do amazing work and charge more
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u/ButterMyPancakesPlz 3d ago
I promise you, clients get what they pay for. I've gotten to know/work with many freelancers from developing countries. The good ones are a bargain but they are not jaw droppingly low. In fact those good ones would probably quote at the price you charged for the work involved. The ones doing work for dramatically less, it'll definitely show in the work, Many times to the point of being unusable.
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u/teamboomerang 3d ago
Well, you might also want to know (or not) that sometimes you aren't even talking to the person doing the work. They'll go to lengths to try to convince you, for sure. Many times, folks in these countries who can speak English act like they are the ones applying for the job or doing the gig, but they take the pay and outsource it to someone else in their country who doesn't speak English, pocket the rest, and then onto the next job. I ran into that a ton when I was hiring from Fiverr and Upwork.
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u/BlackTouchDesignCo 3d ago
I charged 350 for the book I did. But , it was for my bestfriend/brother to be fair.if I had to do it for anybody else and it involved images and/or illustration, then I would charge at least $800-$1000
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u/MazenElSerwy 3d ago
I totally understand your frustration. However, here's the other side of such a story. Even though I don't use Fiver, I work a full time remote job where I'm from. I have almost 10 years of experience and have, at least, an "above average" quality of work compared to others in my market... I make less than 300$ a month. I have no contract and no insurance of any kind. I work 6 days aweek and get a total of 7 days paid vacation a year (on specific national holidays).
I'd bury myself in my laptop for months on end to get paid what you charged for this project. I would make sure I've done the best work in my life that I can physically and mentally do for such a project.
Yes, it sucks to have people plummeting the market. Ironically I see people do this to my already cheap shitty market here. I'm not asking you to be happy about it. I'm not, even thou I have it better than most around here AND there are other places that are in much worse situations. Hope this helps you in any way. Congratulations on your project.
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u/tonytony87 2d ago
I don’t think that’s a real sustainable business. I reached out to a legit fivver artist to help me draw a small moodboard. He said his high tier pack for what I wanted was 250 bucks.
I like his style so I talked him through how I wanted everything, and the quality I was expecting and exactly how I wanted things. He ended up waiting me $2500 which was still a very good price. An artist outside of fivver quoted me $5400 originally.
So I think as soon as a seasoned pro figures out how much work something is they adjust pricing.
Trust me fivver won’t be taking any bodies job away
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u/pastelpixelator 2d ago
Clients who don't mind work that looks like amateur city will be happy to pay $10 for a logo. You get what you pay for. A client that thinks paying someone a tenner for an Envato Elements template is a deal isn't going to be a client that's worth chasing anyway.
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u/Corgon Creative Director 2d ago
Not once have I contracted work out to Fiverr and gone, "that was such a great experience I'm going to replace my creative team". 99 percent of the time the work is rushed as shit, is incorrect, or is a straight ripoff of another design or template. If you're letting Fiverr concern you, you have a way to go.
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u/RichardPussey69 2d ago
Fiverr>AI's impact on freelancing.
If you look at many profiles on Fiverr, they come from countries where $50–$100 is a week or more of work. So even $5–$10 is worthwhile for them. But for someone from a Western country, if someone offered me $5–$20 to do something, I wouldn't bother replying and would feel like I should charge them $5 for opening the email/inbox.
During university, I did a 200-page document for someone for £450; luckily, they were so impressed and offered me £800. It is hard work. Making a 150–200+ page document takes time, planning, and hard work.
As a tip from someone who moved to London from another country to be a graphic designer, here is advice I received from many people I have met:
Get a random design job, even if it's not your dream job, at least you have money and can do passion projects.
Passion projects will turn into real freelancing offers.
Quit the unfulfilling job and do freelancing full-time.
Hope it helps.
----NEVER WORK FOR PEANUTS---
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u/throwaway-humberprof 1d ago
Let’s just say that in Canada that job would cost $5000 (I’d quote way higher given the illustrations).
A skilled designer - no matter where they live no matter where they sell - becomes competitive at $4999. Even $1000 is still a price clients can’t so no too.
There is no reason to drop to $400. Unless they are crappy designers.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Whats worse is illustrators and fine art majors who weasel their way into graphic designer roles. No, no, no - you picked your major, you need to stick with it. I chose Graphic Design as my major and have been formally trained in it. You don't see me running over to your field, trying to draw anime characters when things get bad in my industry. If you want to be a designer, GO BACK TO SCHOOL - don't cut corners, diluting our services and causing a detriment to every one but yourself.
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u/MPSkulkers 3d ago
Do you really believe people in college all get jobs in the major they chose?!?
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
No I don't but I also expect them to be formally trained if I'm going to be working beside them - otherwise GUARENTEED, theyre going to bring the whole team down. I've seen it a hundred times. Stick to your field or go back to school. Straight up.
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u/vanceraa Senior Designer 3d ago
Absolutely insane take lol - a bunch of GD grads in my course moved into illustration, UX/UI and product roles because they’re all cross-disciplinary.
I’ve moved into 3D, motion graphics and front end development alongside GD since finishing my degree, should you not be allowed to upskill to become a more well-rounded designer?
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Courses don't count! Recruiter throw courses into the garbage if it isn't a formal degree. especially now a days. You got into the industry by weaseling your way in via ma and pa marketing agency. Take your illustration experience fresh out of school and go try applying at Apple. I recommend waiting for a call back - no matter how long it takes.
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u/vanceraa Senior Designer 3d ago
I have a first class Honours degree lol, we just call them courses in the UK.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
UK?!! Oh honey, I'm not sure what advice to give you with all that, yikes.
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u/vanceraa Senior Designer 3d ago
I can’t tell if you’re just ragebaiting at this point but I’m happy with my career and also happy to be working with other trained disciplines so enjoy being mad I guess
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
UK?!!! 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢
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u/Theobromas 3d ago
As someone from Redlands with a studio art degree that weaseled my way into graphic design (not hard btw) and living in the UK, I'm absolutely loving that I'm the incarnation of all your stupid opinions. I think Yucaipa is the place for you <3
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Moreno Valley seems like the right place for you. We got illustrators thinking their sleuth FBI agents now 🙄 and UK?!!! Oh honey, I'm not sure how to help you with that one 🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢🤢.
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u/vanceraa Senior Designer 3d ago
Yeah unfortunately we only get small design studios here like Pentagram, Koto, DesignStudio and GBH. Very low quality, tough market.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Who?!!
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u/vanceraa Senior Designer 3d ago
Explains a lot. Best of luck with your interviews, hopefully an illustrator doesn’t ‘steal’ your job 🙏🏻
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u/FlarblesGarbles 3d ago
Eww
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Eww you. Your designs probably look like the equivalent of a proper english breakfast. Slapped together, messy with a bunch of loose fat.
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u/FlarblesGarbles 3d ago
Are you just not good at your craft and are lashing out at everyone because of it?
Paper qualifications don't mean anything if your work is good. It doesn't matter what you MaJoReD in. It doesn't guarantee anyone's work is quality.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
I'm interviewing with 4 companies right now. Have you read AnYtHiNg about the current job market in this sub? Now you aren't doing the necessary industry research. Back to back incompetence has entered the chat.
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u/FlarblesGarbles 3d ago
Big insecurity energy right here.
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u/Keegan1 3d ago
He has so many interviews because no one will hire him 😅
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u/FlarblesGarbles 3d ago
I'm not even convinced this person isn't sitting in a pile of boxes on the street next to the trash having vivid hallucinations about all the design work they think they do while wearing a potato sack.
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u/griff_girl 3d ago
Based on your spelling and grammar, it appears maybe English isn't your first language. Your contention that people need to "stick with their degree," or effectively, "stay in their lane" would be like me saying "stick with your language" or worse yet, "go back to your country." Which of course I vehemently disagree with and abhor the notion of. You have the same right to adopt a second language that someone else has to be a part of the design industry if that's what they want to do. It's not for either of us to gatekeep.
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u/Bullet6644 3d ago
Wait what?? That's a wild take 🤣
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u/Its-a-Shitbox Art Director 3d ago
Right?! I was a graphic designer/Art Director for over 30 years and never even went to college!
If you can do a job, you can do a job. Period.
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u/MPSkulkers 3d ago
Right? I’m actually an illustration major and am now a packaging designer. That stuff can translate across?! Also not all illustration majors are anime character designers?!
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Insisting professionals be trained in their field is a wild take? Should graphic designers pursue character illustration? Now THAT is a wild take 🙄
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u/Keegan1 3d ago
Formal education ≠ talent and skill
The world would literally not function with your reasoning here.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Says the individual not formally trained in design. I bet you one million trillion dollars you dont have a GD degree. Yay, now I don't need to work with incompetent people anymore! Woot, woot!
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u/Keegan1 3d ago edited 3d ago
Let's do it then - I'm extremely influenced by the De Stilj / Bauhaus movement in the early 1900s. Doesburg, Mondrian, Van der Rohe are all big influences to me. Red and Blue chair is one of my favorite pieces. The end of Bauhaus/De Stilj coincides with the emergence of Swiss international typographic style, which basically has influenced all modern design. Josef Müller-Brockmann Grid Systems is where I've learned from. Or we could go further back, ever heard of a dude named Euclid??
How about yourself, what influences you as a designer?
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u/vanceraa Senior Designer 3d ago
Jumping in to say Grid Systems is a banger 🙏🏻 helped a bunch when I first read it.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Omg anyone that compiles a quote like this from google isn't a designer 😂 this is the absolute LAST thing we would ever use to flex. Tbh, its gonna be difficult to be a troll to you now bc this is so cute 🥺
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u/FlarblesGarbles 3d ago
Answer a question with a straight answer you clown.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
I answered in there somewhere between all this hot air being blown by people who don't belong in the industry. Notice its only non designers speaking up 😂 Its hilarious to me.
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u/Keegan1 3d ago
Again, who are your influences? What drives you in your creativity? Because my previous reply was genuine. Maybe if you could answer those questions - you wouldn't have such a hard time landing a design job.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
My influences are usually a CEO or the Sr. Vice President of Marketing. I typically work side by side with them and they tell me what to do 🤷♂️
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u/TheEquinoxe 3d ago
they tell me what to do
Sooo you don't design anything yourself? You're just a software operator?
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u/TheCowboyIsAnIndian 3d ago
people mive to adjacent fields all the time. you really think an illustrator doesnt have some skills that overlap w graphic design?
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Some but you aren't an ideal fit unfortunately. Do you know what a folio is (I'm going to guess you'll have to google the answer). You don't have to convey I'm correct here but inside, you're confirming I'm right. We have 100s upon 100s of illustrators and fine arts majors applying for Graphic Design jobs the moment a role is posted - go work in your field and STOP diluting the candidate pool.
PS I've been a Sr Manager involved in the interview process and real designers all agree to dump the resume and move onto the next if you aren't formally trained in graphic design. We know from our experience, these individuals produced clunky designs and are problematic. If you ARE getting jobs, it's likely bc the org doesn't know any better and you're doing a disservice to them - congratulations. Awesome way to begin a professional relationship.
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u/TheCowboyIsAnIndian 3d ago
i think, instead of blaming your peers for the problems in this industry you could maybe take a look at the bigger issue that everyone is scrambling and nobody has a safety net. but yeah, blame illustrators... who have been the most directly fucked by AI, for trying to survive.
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u/coke9741 3d ago
Lmao that’s crazy talk and sounds like it comes from a place of jealousy. My fine art skills help me a ton in my graphic design field. If you’re good at the job then what does it matter?
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
They aid you in a field you weren't formally trained in? How is that possible? Now you're just making stuff up to warrant being outside of your element. Bizarro world over here...
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u/coke9741 3d ago
You can be trained in both 🤪Half of my classes were graphic design and digital media in college. Are you really good enough to gate keep the profession as a whole? I get the market sucks out there, but there is no reason to be a troll about it. I have my design jobs because I deserve it. Not because I weaseled my way into it. And that’s true for just about every working graphic designer.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Ok so you majored in what exactly? Quit beating around the bush and spit it out...
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u/LordShadowDM 3d ago
Lmao. Actual clown
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
I feel like I'm at the circus when Im looking at your work, yes.
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u/LordShadowDM 3d ago
Nice try clown. My portfolio isnt on reddit.
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u/LektorSandvik 3d ago
???
There's a lot of people who can do cross disciplinary work, and a lot of experience can transfer from one job to another. It doesn't matter where you acquired the skills as long as you have the skills.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Says someone not trained in Graphic Design. Would you recommend I finesse my resume and experience to get into video game design? Or would a candidate trained in video game design be a better fit for the company? What is your integrity telling you? Get real.
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u/LektorSandvik 3d ago
I've been teaching graphic design for 13 years.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
What was your major? Desktop publishing? LOL people who teach, can't design - EVERYONE knows that 😂
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u/TheEquinoxe 3d ago
So you learnt and you've got your diploma from somebody who cannot design?
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
I went to private school. Our instructors had full time jobs in the industry, schooling for them was secondary gigs AND they often assisted us with job placement at their orgs after graduating. Nice try diddy.
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u/TheEquinoxe 3d ago
So not all people who teach cannot design? Or can they? You need to choose one at this point as you're contradicting yourself.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
If thats all you got baby, we're going to be here all day. Your arguments are like your designs, lacking substance 😂
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u/REReader3 3d ago
If that were true, a degree in GD would be worthless. Can’t have it both ways!
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Its a common saying, I didn't pull it out of thin air baby gurl!
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u/REReader3 3d ago
No, you just repeated an idiocy without thinking, which does not make you look smart.
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u/LektorSandvik 3d ago
Are you a child?
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Are you a graphic design major? ALL the people passionately responding are NOT GD majors 😂😂😂😂😂
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u/LektorSandvik 3d ago
I'm not interested in fueling your meltdown. You're clearly going through something, and I sincerely hope you'll get the help you need.
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u/Keegan1 3d ago
If you have the skills and abilities, yes. Extremely one-dimensional take. And it's clearly coming from your own personal experience. Sounds like you lost out on a job or something. Maybe look at yourself and your own abilities?
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
How do you obtain the skills? Off the back of a cereal box? 😂
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u/Keegan1 3d ago
Idk I started when I was 5 with a box of crayons. I just didn't eat them like you did - might wanna get some brain scans done bud.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Thats art baby, still ain't GD... you're too broadly incorporating different fields, even at a young age...... cuttin corners all your life I guess.
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u/MPSkulkers 3d ago
You can absolutely get into video game design if you have the skills? What is this weird hill you’re dying on?!!
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
How did you obtain the skills, you weren't formally trained. Wtf? 😂
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u/MPSkulkers 3d ago edited 3d ago
Through job experience?! Interning? You really have this weird take that other fields can’t have some kind of overlap. You also didn’t comment on the one person who has been working in GD for 30 years and did not go to school for it
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
So you applied at apple after college and immediately got a job in design with an illustration degree? I don't think thats what happened, lets be honest with ourselves. You either got a job at a print shop or you strong armed ma and pa marketing agency into a role. Get real 😂
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u/REReader3 3d ago edited 3d ago
Twenty five years designing books—and reading books (and not just on book design, although I’ve read as many of those as I could get my hands on), and LOOKING at books. I’m a damn good book designer, and if you think the only way to learn something is to study it in school, you have learned nothing at all, in or out of school. (And btw, I know two distinct meanings of “ folio” without looking it up, and without a single formal course in any arts field at all.)
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u/Radiant-Security-347 Executive 3d ago
Don’t waste your time. People who didn’t go to school for GD have no idea what they don’t know.
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u/vanceraa Senior Designer 3d ago
Would love to know what specifically is taught at university that can’t be taught elsewhere, as a GD graduate
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u/Distinct_Laugh_7979 Designer 3d ago
Right now , you cannot survive sticking with one major. Up skill your self. A GD should know basics of 3D, VE and Illustrator. You like it or not.. this is how it is now.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Im a GD - I've always had six figure jobs without having to overlap my major? You people are just desperate.
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u/Distinct_Laugh_7979 Designer 3d ago
No we are not desperate. It's just you who got lucky. If you don't want to learn something new its your stance. Don't try to stick it on others.
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
No I just specialized in my field and don't have to double down bc of a lack of skills from the gate. Do you hear yourself?
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u/Distinct_Laugh_7979 Designer 3d ago
Got it. You earn six figs(as you say) , want to stick w your major (as you say) and want to brag abt out. Noted.
btw whats your major in GD
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Nice the individual with no GD degree has now become a sleuth. We got illustrators thinkin' theyre FBI now.
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u/01Metro 3d ago
Curious about that offer at that kids organization with "low pay" you got rejected from, must've been in the low six figure range
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u/nuggie_vw 2d ago
Nope, that one was right down the street from me. I was willing to take a pay hit to not have to move - was around $80K. They may have a junior production artist role still open if you're curious. I doubt they would hire anyone with an illustration or fine art background tho because that would just be stupid.
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u/Harverator 3d ago
There are a lot of technical aspects that are taught in graphic design that illustrators and fine artists won’t know about, especially regarding corporate identity and print production. I worked my way through all three curriculums, as college(s) was much more fun than joining the working world.
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u/FlarblesGarbles 3d ago
Are you okay?
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u/FlarblesGarbles 3d ago
You're arguing with yourself. You're responding to things no one's saying. It's like you're having a manic episode.
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u/01Metro 3d ago
I bet your work is shit
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u/nuggie_vw 2d ago
As long I'm getting six figures , my work can be a FLAMING pile of dog shit for all I care baby!
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u/molten-glass 3d ago
I'd argue that people who wanted to be illustrators but went for graphic design because they thought it would be more stable work and then coasted thru school are worse. Like 70% of the people in my design classes just wanted to draw anime characters couldnt provide decent crit to save their lives
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u/nuggie_vw 3d ago
Yea its ALL bad. The anime characters need to stick to their fields or cosplay. Thats it.
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u/LektorSandvik 3d ago
A combination of factors, including
- $400 going a long way in a lot of countries