r/heroes3 • u/stavi1507 • Jan 03 '24
Fluff Name your favourite unit and I will say something bad about them
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u/LamSinton Jan 03 '24
Mighty Gorgons
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
Resource silo is required + deathstare is useless against conflux and necro
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u/Pomper-26 Jan 04 '24
deathstare works on all living units, it does not work on undead and elemental units, so the ability does not affect us, all Necropolis units are 100% ineffective, and as for Conflux, it is about 60% ineffective because 3 units are alive, it works 100 times on little whores, exhibitionists and on flying chickens
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u/PkerBadRs3Good Jan 03 '24
probably the unit that falls off the hardest going from casual opinion to pro opinion
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u/Vampire-Fae Jan 03 '24
Grand elves
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
hard to protect from spells and breath attack
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u/kansetsupanikku Jan 03 '24
And what unit is easy to protect against a breath attack?
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
I'm just saying that if you were to block them with single-tile units, dragons could destroy them with a breath attack
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Jan 03 '24
Titans
I SEE A LOT OF COMMENTS AND NOT A LOT OF REPLIES OP
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
expensive as fuck in terrain that doesn't favour exploration cost alot of gems per unit
GIMME TIME TO THINK
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Jan 03 '24
The main reason I hate picking Tower or Fortress is the terrain lol. Fucking Jeremy is running all over the place with his stable like a pod racer. Meanwhile I'm trudging a few steps a turn and haven't managed to get pathfinding or logistics, yet.
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u/Pomper-26 Jan 04 '24
I agree with the fortress that the Tower wayfinding specialization is based on magic and only there you need to count on the gates through dimensions to move efficiently around the map
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u/Glatzial Jan 03 '24
Titans are mindless golems on steroids, that can be tripped AT-AT style. Also you can't ambush because their head is above the trees. On a serious note - they are expensive and slow.
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u/epileptus Jan 03 '24
Slow? 11 speed is very decent for a shooter
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u/PkerBadRs3Good Jan 03 '24
by upgraded tier 7 standards it's relatively slow, you won't have speed advantage vs almost any other faction since Tower's fastest unit is 11 speed which is tied with Stronghold for the lowest. so other factions get first cast etc. idk why you'd compare to other shooters when it's a tier 7 and every other shooter is lower tier.
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u/epileptus Jan 03 '24
Yeah you are right. I suppose it's just my trauma after fighting neutral titans, fucking 11 speed no melee penalty dicks.
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u/Cezaros Factory! Jan 03 '24
Harpy Hags
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
You can't really defend your shooting units with them
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u/MaDNiaC007 Jan 03 '24
You can. They are unique melee characters, being the only ones that can bodyblock without skipping their attack or having to wait for enemy to get into their melee range. Am I missing something?
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u/Tsugirai Jan 03 '24
What you actually cannot do with them is cockblock enemy shooters since they always return (at least without mods)
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u/life8853 Jan 03 '24
Efreet Sultans
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
only good unit in inferno besides archdevils
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u/FrankCraft Jan 03 '24
That’s not something bad about Efreet Sultans lol
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
Forgot to mention: only viable use for them is armageddon nuking
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u/PkerBadRs3Good Jan 03 '24
this is simply untrue, Efreets are fantastic in random fights and generally are the early game carry unit you go for in Inferno after Magogs in competitive games (Inferno build path rushes Efreets usually)
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u/Jihindur Jan 03 '24 edited Jan 04 '24
What? Are you insane lol?😆 Sultans are one of the best units in tier 6, they single handedly carry Inferno's ass. They are one of the worst type of neutral armies since unless your hero is magic/archer oriented you're definetely loose smbd cause of the shield effect. Unless ofc your logic comes from YT videos like "wHo iS tHe StRoNgiST leViL 6 iN zis gaEm". Then yeah, sure, Dread Knights are the strongest. But even then lol, 1 on 1, Sultans are far from the weakest units.
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u/Pomper-26 Jan 04 '24
1-Dread Knights are the strongest.
2.Naga Queens
3.Battle Unicorn
4.Czempion
5.Sułtański ifryt
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u/savvycate Factory Jan 03 '24
olgoi-khorkois
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u/hortu Jan 03 '24
It can't dig on deck of the ships
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u/csorfab Jan 07 '24
wow, I didn't even realize even though I had fights with factory on ships. So they act like a regular ground unit on ships? What a nice detail
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u/Sbleis03 Jan 03 '24
Mino king
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u/Claus1990 Jan 03 '24
Black Dragons
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
can't cast any helpful spells on them--> enemy creatures can profit from haste, bloodlust, resurrect
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u/TimawaViking Jan 03 '24
Orb of vulnerability is the best artifact for that exact reason. Black dragons with buffs and resurrection are scary.
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u/ConArtist98 Jan 03 '24
Dread Knights
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24 edited Jan 03 '24
already answered it, low AI value boost
Edit: apperantly I missread "knights" and "noughts"
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u/BadFurDay Jan 03 '24
Archangels
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
you get normal angels form griffin conservs making them way easier to collect without a castle town
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u/wardsandcourierplz Jan 03 '24
Bunch of birds keeping a person in a cage, that's some Gary Larson type shit
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u/kjubus Jan 03 '24
Dreadnoughts (i'll give you something that community doesn't know well yet)
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24 edited Jan 03 '24
Don't get alot of AI value for the upgrade from black knights
Edit: I may have to learn how to read again...
Those Titanfall2 mfs can very easily hurt your own troops with their "lasercore" ability
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u/Eovacious (being sneaky) Jan 03 '24
"Noughts", not "knights". As in, Factory.
(And it's not like AI value is an important unit characteristic player-side, let alone a strictly positive one.)
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u/Ztirom1 Jan 03 '24
Walking Dead
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
very slow-->hero gets big movement penalty also ranged units counter them very well + casting haste doesn't work cause enemy slow counters that
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u/TheSimkis Jan 03 '24
Storm elementals
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u/Cryozen Jan 03 '24
Phoenix.
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
weakest tier7 by far
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u/M-A-U-R Jan 03 '24
Honestly do they need more dmg/hp? Considering they are the fastest even when opponent has azure dragons with a +1 speed artifact.
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u/Impossible-Error166 Jan 03 '24
I pair phoenix with ranged units and a hero with expert fire magic and Spirit of Oppression basically means I can zerk half their army and shoot the rest.
Make sure you have two stacks of Phoenix in case they blind one given your also going to have a orb of vul.
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u/PkerBadRs3Good Jan 03 '24 edited Jan 03 '24
Phoenixes have 21 Attack 18 Defense, Ghost Dragons have 19 Attack 17 Defense
Phoenixes have 21 Speed, Ghost Dragons have 14
Phoenixes have Fire immunity, Breath Attack, Resurrection, Ghost Dragons have 20% Aging and -1 Enemy Morale
try again
certainly better than Chaos Hydras too
even the devs knew it, since Phoenixes have higher AI value than Ghost Dragons/Chaos Hydras
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u/Toadinator2000 We stan a queen with damage reduction Jan 03 '24
Sprites
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
counter: magic arrow
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u/Toadinator2000 We stan a queen with damage reduction Jan 03 '24
In roasting my favorite unit, you accidentally complimented one of my favorite heroes. So thank you!
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u/will_there_be_snacks Jan 03 '24
Azure Dragons
hehe
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
name the last time you had the option for recruiting them
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Jan 03 '24
They should definitely either be cheaper or do more damage. Kind of goes for all of them.
When you think about the absurd resource cost, you can get 8 gold dragons for the price of 1 azure dragon.
Hell, in Devil is in the Detail I ended up with a shitload of rust dragons, but they didn't hit hard enough and I replaced them. 80 rust dragons sounds great, but the 5k storm elementals I replaced them with did several times more damage (nevermind how 5k storm elementals is cheaper than 80 rust dragons).
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u/Valmir- Jan 03 '24
Nah, bad opinion; the ability to make opposing units just straight-up miss a turn is worth its weight in gold!
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u/FrankCraft Jan 03 '24
Centaur Captains
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
weak compared to wolveriders
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u/Pomper-26 Jan 04 '24
Centaur Captains the best tier 1 unit, better in my opinion than Wolf Rider, they are faster and attack 1
Centaur Captains weekly population 14 pcs
Cost 1260 gold
84 attack and 42 defense 140 hp and 28-42 damage at speed 8
Wolf Rider weekly population 9 pcs
cost 900 gold
63 attack and 35 defense 90 hp and 18-36 damage at speed 6
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u/Agreeable_Status9886 Jan 03 '24
Dragon flies, I just love them
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u/naturalis99 Jan 03 '24
Pikeman
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
Don't suffer from jousting bonus from cavaliers... Because thats a common enemy of any castle player
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u/TocSir Jan 03 '24
Crusader
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
They are just jealous of Marksmen ability to shoot twice
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u/annoyingkraken Jan 04 '24
Found your answer!
omg that's so triggering haha how dare thee besmirch the crusaders!
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u/differentlevel1 Jan 03 '24
Marksmen
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
Their unupgraded unit is called "archer" but sconce they have crossbows they should be called "crossbowmen"
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u/IWantMyPierogiWarm Jan 03 '24
But that's only the beginning of pros
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u/TimawaViking Jan 03 '24
Cyclops (kings)
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
very expensive to build->doesn't fit in very well with stronghold fast paced war style
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Jan 03 '24
Ancient Behe
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
Don't fit in well with the aggressiv Stronghold playstyle early on due to high cost
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u/sexrepulsed-nonace Jan 03 '24
gog games dot com
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
upgraded version can do alot of friendly fire also they suck damagewise
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u/Asmo_Lay Jan 03 '24
Update your response - they fixed the former in HotA.
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u/M-A-U-R Jan 03 '24
They also fixed the harpy movement allowing them to stay still after moving and attacking, in regards to OP's response to the comment saying Harpy Hags.
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u/JReysan Jan 03 '24
Enchanter
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u/stavi1507 Jan 03 '24
You'll have to get lucky to get Dracon. Besides, you'll lose your mages, which give spellcostreduction
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Jan 03 '24
Devils and pegasi
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u/stavi1507 Jan 04 '24
Devils aren't immune to fire for some reason
pegasi are very annoying to fight against
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u/shully64 Expert Shitpostery Jan 03 '24
Vampire lords