r/illinois • u/ArsenalSpider • 21h ago
California working on trade with other countries to get around tariffs. Can Illinois jump on this train?
https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414[removed] — view removed post
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u/Away_Lake5946 21h ago
Pritzker has already started moving on this with Mexico and Canada and I too would like to see more on this front. Every state is going to be reeling from Trump’s idiotic trade wars and terrible economic policy so the states should do everything they can to protect their citizens.
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u/sparkly_butthole 21h ago
I am just praying the ADA and FMLA don't go away. And if they do, Pritzker won't let them take it from us. Honestly I'm surprised Trump hasn't attacked it yet.
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u/BoosterRead78 12h ago
It’s ironic. There were astrologers saying about states separating over what Trump would do. But didn’t say a civil war or anything. This would actually fit those descriptions.
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u/xabc8910 21h ago
Little easier for CA as they have ports for international goods to come through.
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u/GaryAGalindo 20h ago
We are about to witness the Great Lakes become a new beacon of international trade between the Midwest and the world via Canada by proxy using Lake Michigan as a port of entry 😤
But in all reality, interested in seeing a new form of stress testing for states rights to see states forming coalitions and trade agreements with large nations going over the feds heads
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u/ArsenalSpider 20h ago
We also have one heck of a big international airport in Illinois.
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u/GaryAGalindo 20h ago
I don’t know though that it could scale quickly enough to handle an increase in the trade of goods since O’Hare will continue to have a high demand of people travel of course. If IL will have to increase imports it will have to be through ship and rail, but these infrastructure investments take MANY years to materialize.
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u/Carlyz37 20h ago
IL already has the infrastructure. We have a barely used but heavy duty river port in my town. And train tracks everywhere
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u/TubaJesus Oskee Wow Wow Illinois 19h ago edited 3h ago
Well its got more capacity than youre giving it credit for and the airport at Rockford just had its upgrades finished. And as much as I hate to say it, Peotone may be a solution for long term growth if this is expected to continue far beyond the current administration.
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u/HeadOfMax 10h ago
Illinois, California, and New York should bring the goods in, and sell them to their citizens at regular price. Any surplus that are sold to red states and should get a tariff added to them to help pay for drop off in federal funding.
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u/ms6615 20h ago
Joliet is one of the largest inland shipping ports on the planet, we’ll be good. These schemes won’t avoid tariffs by physically avoiding the other states when transporting the goods, they will avoid tariffs by making separate contracts where the tariffs aren’t applicable. The goods will still arrive on the same trains to the same handful of rail yards.
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u/Carlyz37 20h ago
True but I dont think we can sneak stuff in by any type of transport. Although Pritzker did sneak in medical supplies during covid and so did Hogan in Maryland
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u/fetusfrolix 15h ago
From china, right? Maybe we can go around the Chinese tariffs again this time and do business with china directly. Fuck trump.
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u/frosty_the_blowman 19h ago
Chicago regularly receives international freighters from Canada and farther abroad via the Great Lakes and the St Lawrence Seaway.
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u/Tasty-Ad-8262 18h ago
Yeah and railroad if Oregon and Washington join California. Pretty sure they will.
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u/pitterlpatter 10h ago
And who controls the ports?
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u/RocketSocket765 21h ago
Yeah, can't recall exactly where, but one of Pritzker's first speeches post the Orange one getting in again involved Pritzker saying he was talking directly with Canada and Mexico about mitigation and business negotiations. Totally agree it's good to boost the word and ask ways to get involved.
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u/TJSwizzle23 20h ago
Can someone ELI5? How would this feasibly work? Customs is federal, and wouldn't everything go through that?
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u/xabc8910 7h ago
It won’t. Tariffs are applied at point of entry into the country, (most come by ship) not the final shipping destination.
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u/Hairy-Dumpling 20h ago
Hopefully we can also pass a law that requires all federal withholding to go through IL state, then we can "ensure IL taxpayer monies are handled appropriately".
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u/Jonthegerbalslayer 20h ago
Could even talk to California about negotiating together for more leverage. Hell might even have some sort of, “United States”, that could work for us above the State level. Like that’ll ever happen though
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u/815born805heart 20h ago
California alone has, give or take, the fifth largest economy in the world. Internationally. By itself. I’m not surprised they’re trying to get around this tariff bullshit.
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u/physicistdeluxe 20h ago
i bet a lot of states will do this.
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u/xabc8910 6h ago
They won’t. It’s not possible at any significant scale.
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u/physicistdeluxe 6h ago edited 6h ago
scale meaning what? and why cant they? blue states could unite & make a trade deals independently like Ca Coupla other blues have ports. Im sure theyre all considering work arounds. Red states might join in. This hurts them all. Only true believers are on board w this.
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u/ChicagoFly123 7h ago
How can Illinois work directly with other countries to avoid federal tariffs? Doesn't the federal government still control the border? I've noticed Pritzker reaching out directly to Canada and Mexico, so I figured something was up, but I don't understand the mechanism. I thought we are subject to tariffs regardless. Thank god we aren't landlocked!
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u/Worldly_Abalone551 20h ago
As much as I would love the idea, states do not have the power to set trade agreements with foreign countries. Technically only congress does
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u/DMDingo 20h ago
While I think this is needed at this point, isn't this in direct violation of Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 (also known as the Commerce Clause, grants Congress the power to regulate commerce with foreign nations, among the several states, and with the Indian tribes)?
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u/ArsenalSpider 19h ago
Following the law hasn't really been much of a thing for this administration.
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u/MidwestAbe 19h ago
I had to scroll this far to read the only thing that needs to be known on the topic.
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u/Ilboston 12h ago
Won’t California still pay federal taxes, which will fund Trump’s agenda. Sounds like trying to have your cake and eat it too.
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u/ChicagoDash 10h ago
I’m hopefully than many countries retaliatory tariffs will be more red state focused targeting products primarily made in red states and going lighter on products from blue states.
One side of this upcoming trade war will be taking a more rational approach than the other.
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u/Cardman71 20h ago
I wonder what California plans to offer to convince other countries not to impose retaliatory tariffs on California goods. It seems like it would be a tough sell.
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u/pitterlpatter 10h ago
No they’re not. Stop being so gullible.
The only way to get around tariffs is to smuggle the goods in. No state has a customs function, and all cargo is the property of the federal government from the time it arrives until it clears US Customs and any OGA’s required.
More importantly, article 1, section 10, clause 1 of the US constitution should have put this to bed a long time ago. This is a dumb argument.
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u/xabc8910 6h ago edited 4h ago
The delusional nonsense ideas in this thread are hilarious. Thank you for posting actual facts.
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u/EverybodyKurts 21h ago
We already have, I believe. Not sure the full extent of it, but Pritzker is speaking with Mexico about going around the tariffs.