r/interestingasfuck • u/SilkenSeraph • 1d ago

/r/all Ryan Waller, a 22-year-old man who, despite having a bullet in his eye, endured 4 hours of interrogation by cops who thought he was lying—only to receive medical help too late.

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u/Someredditusername 1d ago

They're working hard on it. "No criminal deserves due process" quote

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u/tqrtkr 1d ago

What "due process" means? English is not my native language.

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u/Someredditusername 1d ago

Basically all the legal proceedings to prove you are guilty or innocent. Right to have a lawyer, right to go to court, right to Habeas Corpus (they have to say where they're holding you, they can't lock you up and hide you). I'm sure there are legal people who have a better answer, but that's the basics.

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u/Azadom 1d ago

Aren't there plenty of examples of habeaus corpus not applying since 1863 and continuing on? Murder convictions without a body, whatever Guantanamo Bay is, any executive action that cites some emergency. I wouldn't count on it being a viable legal defense.

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u/Someredditusername 1d ago

Title someone a terrorist and you don't have to abide habeas corpus at all thanks to homeland protection laws. You don't have to prove them a terrorist, just call them one.

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u/Consistent-Task-8802 1d ago

The main problem is that it doesn't cover lying by omission.

They only have to tell you where you are if they directly and succinctly answer the question "Where is he right now?" Which they simply won't do, they'll go quiet - Which they also have a right to do.

Most would consider that "hiding" you, but the law has ruled repeatedly that it doesn't mean that, legally speaking.

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u/forkball 1d ago

I don't think trying for murder without a body qualifies else you'd be able to successfully murder someone so long as there was no body, even if there was trace evidence indicating injury to that person.

The Guantanamo/terrorist/secret warrant stuff I agree with.

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u/Chase_the_tank 1d ago edited 1d ago

"due" -> something that is deserved

"process" -> the legal work involved in court cases

In other words, "Follow the correct procedures for proving guilt; all citizens people deserve to be treated this way."

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u/Gorgon013 1d ago

Not to go all "um, actually," but it's not just citizens! Due process applies to everyone in the USA, including non-citizens.

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u/octarine_turtle 1d ago

Applied. Now they just claim you're an illegal and a gang member and ship you off to prison in another country.

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u/Gorgon013 1d ago

Unfortunately. :( That's why it's so important right now that people understand that everyone has the right to due process!

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u/Chase_the_tank 1d ago

Thanks and fixed.

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u/rhabarberabar 1d ago

Except it's used to apply now.

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u/ruddthree 1d ago

My mom doesn’t think so. To HER, it’s perfectly fine for that Colombia student on a visa with a green card to be detained under dubious-at-best terrorism assumptions without getting the right to due process like a citizen should.

For fucks sake, just because someone isn’t a citizen doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get the same rights as us.

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u/clockworkdiamond 1d ago

Not to go all "um, actually," but it's not just citizens! Due process applies to everyone in the USA, including non-citizens.

Weeeeelll, um, actually... not according to the Patriot Act. If you are labeled a "terrorist" by a government agency, you are no longer a legal US citizen, so previous constitutional rights such as the First Amendment (Freedom of Speech and Association), Fourth Amendment (Unreasonable Searches and Seizures), Fifth Amendment (Due Process), and Sixth Amendment (Right to Counsel) rights are forfeit. It a lot of why Luigi is being tried as a terrorist, and why they are trying to make the same thing apply to anyone who is bad to Tesla.

Welcome to the darkest timeline.

I realize that this likely doesn’t apply to this poor kid that got shot in the eye, but it can absolutely happen to anyone at any time because there is no need to prove or disprove the terrorist label.

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u/spicy-chull 1d ago

all citizens

All persons subject to the jurisdiction of.

Non-citizens have rights also.

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u/Professional_Fee5883 1d ago

And the reason for this is that without due process for all persons inside the US, we would de facto not have due process. Due process for all is vital to our freedom as citizens.

Authorities could just accuse you of not being a citizen and never give you a chance to prove it and send you off to a penal colony where they apparently can’t ever get you back.

And despite what our…simpler…fellow citizens say, defending due process is not defending violent gangs. It’s defending a core American value.

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u/SlomoLowLow 1d ago

No don’t you understand it’s the sin of empathy clouding your mind. Now put the red cap of the beast back on your forehead and go back to hating thy neighbor as Jesus would’ve done.

/s

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u/series_hybrid 1d ago

You must lock up people with no evidence, and then threaten them with death until they confess!

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u/Keibun1 1d ago

How is it possible they can't get him back? Even without paperwork, it should be possible, even if it's difficult. I'm starting to think there's other reasons they can't get him back. If they were just murdering these people, honestly who would know, besides the ones doing it? The only pictures available are what they want to show us.

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u/fuck_all_you_too 1d ago

Everybody gets their day in court basically

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 1d ago

Due process means the shit you should do before deciding if someone is guilty

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u/tefoak 1d ago

Slavery is still alive and well, actually thriving in America. Now it's just referred to as involuntary servitude.

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u/Moxxification 1d ago

And child labor is coming back into fashion in Florida and other states! Gotta love the good old party’s nostalgic policies

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u/Pale-Berry-2599 1d ago

sooo much winning

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u/supergrega 1d ago

owning the libs yea boiiiii

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u/gobsmacked247 1d ago

But not their children, yours.

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u/thatguyyouare 1d ago

Iowa and Nebraska too. The kids yearn to be maimed and dismembered in the slaughter houses. (meat packing plants)

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u/Moxxification 1d ago

The adults yearn to see children skipping school to raise productivity! No raise though, just more work.

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u/Goatfellatio 1d ago

Germany especially the CDU is working also hard on it. In Bavaria the hellhole of the CSU they can imprison someone for 3 months without evidence of a crime (custody I think this thing your cops can do for 24 or 48h)

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u/practicalm 1d ago

Yeah that’s the woke constitution giving due process to criminals.

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u/Just_Condition3516 1d ago

missing the /s?

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u/Gorgon013 1d ago

Yes, that's what due process is for. It gives people a chance to prove their innocence. Can I ask what you suggest as the alternative? Locking up every person that's accused of anything and throwing away the key, guilty or not?

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u/BureauOfCommentariat 1d ago

No one has to prove their innocence. The burden is on the state to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

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u/Gorgon013 1d ago

I was speaking more in the spirit of why we have trials, which is to determine if someone is guilty or innocent, but yes, my verbiage could have been better and you are technically correct.