r/interestingasfuck • u/SilkenSeraph • 1d ago

/r/all Ryan Waller, a 22-year-old man who, despite having a bullet in his eye, endured 4 hours of interrogation by cops who thought he was lying—only to receive medical help too late.

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u/longhegrindilemna 1d ago

Wait, you mean American cops get trained to be suspicious and aggressive.

Because in Hong Kong, China, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea cops are trained to defuse, de escalate, and assist people. Real life helpers.

Our cops in America are very different. And what’s weirder, is that none of us voters are doing anything to improve the situation.

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u/Mindshard 1d ago

Look up the "Killology" course American tax dollars paid for cops to be taught. The instructor literally tells them to have sex right after killing someone, because it'll be the best sex they've ever had in their life.

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u/Henderson-McHastur 1d ago

Some of the trainees hesitate and question the instructor during a simulation of a dangerous encounter with an unstable, possibly armed subject. The first instincts of the trainees are to hold their ground and try talking her down, because they don't want to shoot a woman who might just be having a really, really bad day.

The instructor loudly reprimands them for not emptying their pistol into the lady. Something about endangering their own life and the lives of their fellow officers. They are taught to prioritize themselves.

The people who are supposed to protect you are trained to think of themselves as more worthy of life than you.

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u/Rambozo77 1d ago

Fire fighters and paramedics are trained that way too. So are doctors and nurses. If one of those people gets hurt, now there’s no one to help you, and there’s another victim who now needs help, and all the people that you called for help are going to help they’re own first.

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u/throwfarfaraway1818 1d ago

Disagree. Fire fighters and paramedics are taught to ensure their safety, yes. Thats not the same as police being taught civilian lives are literally worth less than theirs. You can tell the difference in the way they speak and report things. Seattle cop who hit someone with their car and said it was a worthless life is one example, the phrase "NHI" or "no humans involved" is another.

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u/iordseyton 1d ago

Agreed. They are taught to protect themselves their own saftey, usually by not engaging in a situation they cant safely be in, but not to intentionally jeopardize yours in the process.

Cop training would be analogous to an EMT showing up for someone with an infectious disease and euthanized them to prevent contamination, or the fire dept showing up to you trapped in a burning building, and deciding to knock it down with you still in it to prevent the fire from spreading.

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u/Nathan_Calebman 1d ago

Fire fighters are trained to stay away from burning buildings, and paramedics don't go near people who've been shot?

You fix a burning building by putting the fire out, not by blowing up the neighborhood. You save gunshot victims by treating their wounds, not by shooting everyone nearby. And you handle crazy ranting people by talking them down and empathizing with them, not by shooting them.

This is obvious to every first world country outside the US.

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u/LyKosa91 7h ago

Not to play devil's advocate here, but in any job role that involves any amount of danger, the bottom line that you'll always be taught is that your own safety is paramount and that the most important thing is that you make it home safely at the end of the day.

Unfortunately I think a big part of the problem for the US is down to widespread gun ownership. The fact that the likelihood of just about anyone having a gun is infinitely higher than it is here in the UK for example, means that officers are facing both a much greater hazard and more significant risk. I've seen bodycam footage of officers who've had someone spin round and shoot them in a split second while trying to peacefully de escalate, it happens.

Not that I'm condoning the general conduct of US police, just saying, it seems like a pretty shitty situation for all involved. A much more dangerous situation to police effectively and safely, and the risk control method that best ensures officer safety is inherently bad for the general public. It's a lose lose situation.

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u/smurb15 1d ago

In sure that won't lead to them killing more to achieve the best sex ever. Anyone else see the same thing a drug addict chases but we know cops have an ungodly amount of moral they can take it

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u/IntheBocksVT 1d ago

my ace ass cannot comprehend this shit

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u/Warm_Month_1309 1d ago

One of my favorite psychological studies involves testing our ability to spot lies.

You take a regular person, show them a video of someone speaking, and ask them to mark when they believe they are being untruthful. We're actually pretty good at it, which makes sense, because a lot of our socialization is about learning to recognize patterns in behavior, even if you don't realize you're doing it.

Then take someone who has specialized training in spotting deception and show them the same video, and they will perform worse than a regular person.

Because all of that "liars tend to look up and to the right because they are accessing the creative part of their brain" nonsense misleads you, and distracts you from your innate ability to spot liars.

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u/r0llingthund3r 1d ago

I would love to see that actual study if you happen to have a link handy

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u/IdentifiesAsGreenPud 1d ago

Tried to ask chatgpt and it came up with the opposite.

Ekman, P., & O'Sullivan, M. (1991). "Who can catch a liar?" This study investigated the accuracy of different groups, including regular people and professionals trained in deception detection, in identifying when someone was lying. The results showed that certain trained groups, like law enforcement personnel, performed better at detecting deception than untrained individuals.

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u/TeaForTvvo 1d ago

That's because they made it up lmao. From what I remember from social psychology is there is no definitive tell when someone is lying. So you really can't be trained on it. This is generally of course as everyone has caught people in lies before (especially if you know them) and some individuals might have tells; but no, there isn't a definitive way to generally tell if someone is lying.

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u/r0llingthund3r 1d ago

sigh, I tried googling about it and also came up empty. I really wish people would stop referencing studies without citing them, it should be straight up not allowed. u/Warm_Month_1309 you must redeem your good name by providing a source now 😬

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u/Warm_Month_1309 1d ago edited 1d ago

The simple answer is that ChatGPT is not a trusted source of information. From the abstract of the cited study: "Only the Secret Service performed better than chance, and they were significantly more accurate than all of the other groups".

You can read it (and its references to other similar studies for a broader view) here: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/374666089_Who_Can_Catch_a_Liar

It is, however, an older study. A more modern one here: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9037296/

Upon review, I may have been overzealous in my claim that law enforcement in general performed "worse"; only a minority of studies actually found that. The consensus seems to be merely that they perform no better. Although this assumes correct training. Someone who has been trained on pseudoscientific principles and who overestimates their own ability to spot non-existent "tells" of a lie would perform worse.

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u/CapsNats17 1d ago

Interesting.. I’ve read the opposite, that we overestimate our ability to identify when someone is lying and it’s more of a coin flip

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u/IDK_SoundsRight 1d ago

Many voters are trying... But when the majority of the nation is too wrapped up in political showmanship and "othering"

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u/opus3535 1d ago

What is a little surprising is how desperate the christians are trying to get their "way of life" back as the standard in the US. They would rather burn the country down than accept any other outcome.

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u/Medical_String_3367 1d ago

The version of the country they want is based on hate. Christians in name only.

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u/IDK_SoundsRight 1d ago

Yeah... If even half of these "Christians" actually did as Jesus did... We'd be in a socialist eutopia ..

Feed the poor Heal the sick

Oh well.

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u/Lavender-n-Lipstick 1d ago edited 1d ago

Isn’t the god of the Old Testament exactly that kind of lunatic? Jesus is more chilled out but we already know that Christians only care about living up to Yahweh’s backward-ass example.

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u/RedditPosterOver9000 1d ago

Old testament god is just a deity based on older religions' having a diety (among others, before monotheism became popular) that basically hated humans. Killing humanity with floods because the asshole god feels like it is pretty standard for the religions Christianity and Judaism are descended from. Oh, and there's always a lesser deity/angel/spirit that warns one human and gives them very specific blueprints for a wooden ship and to gather two of each animal to wait out the world being flooded by sending a bird to retrieve a piece of grass/leaf to show the waters are receding. Christianity is just the latest Disney remake of something that's been copied dozens or hundreds of times already.

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u/Medical_String_3367 1d ago

It’s in the name: CHRISTian, you’re supposed to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

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u/Lavender-n-Lipstick 1d ago

Feel free to send them a memo then. Don’t be surprised if they call Jesus a “woke leftist commie” though. lol

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u/neuromonkey 1d ago

Americans have become adept at fantasizing that we are the protagonists in our adventure movie. We don't think that we're poor, we're "temporarily embarrassed millionaires." We won't be treated badly by cops, that's the bad people.

We've been lulled into stupidity by decades of self-delusion and make-believe.

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u/longhegrindilemna 15h ago

Your comment should be the TOP comment.

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u/Larkfor 1d ago

And what’s weirder, is that none of us voters are doing anything to improve the situation.

Both parties support cops almost without question.

When the people protest against police brutality we are then brutalized by police, and even so-called "progressives" still invite those same cops to their events and glorify them as heroes.

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u/longhegrindilemna 15h ago

Is this a case of The Emperor’s New Clothes?

Nobody wants to say the truth out loud?

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u/Downtown_Recover5177 1d ago

Oh yes, the infamously peaceful Chinese police. They’re very good at de-escalation, as long as de-escalation includes torture and imprisonment for anyone protesting against the CCP.

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u/MontrealChickenSpice 1d ago

But Tough On Crime!

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u/Itherial 1d ago

Did you just cite Chinese police as being real life helpers trained to assist people lol

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u/zani1903 1d ago

Yeah, like, come on, rightfully criticise American police all you like, but let's not pretend the American police force is unique in its disdain of the people they're supposed to serve.

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u/starynights890 1d ago

Homie they can't and won't do nothing to a convicted felon making a mockery of our constitution and the balance of powers. Dude is legit crooked on a global scale and all of our "systems" to prevent this are being operated by people who are just sitting back.

Honestly bro the future looks grim and I don't see how this will change without a serious revolution cause right now we don't have a democracy we have an orange dictator.

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u/longhegrindilemna 15h ago

Whenever similar corruption occurred in past empires, collapse usually solved the problem.

Collapse, followed by the creation of a new country or countries to replace the old empire.

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u/umbrawolfx 1d ago

You can't vote to improve a problem without addressing the cause.

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u/Turkatron2020 1d ago

Unions make change impossible

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u/R1526 19h ago

Ah yeah Japanese cops love to de-escalate.
The very same cops who can (and do) detain people without reason for 23 days to force confessions. Which is completely legal.

Very bad example.

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u/Top_Seaweed7189 1d ago

Hong Kong is china... And Chinese cops aren't famous for their restraint. But go on what else is better in china?

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u/NevinyrralsDiscGolf 1d ago

The fact that you aren't there.

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u/Top_Seaweed7189 1d ago

Ah nice racism.

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u/SyllabubTasty5896 1d ago

Yeah lots of American cops get trained by Israelis...so huge surprise when they start treating Americans like the Israelis treat Palestinians...

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u/PaperHandsProphet 1d ago

Are you just naming random Asian police forces?

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u/Fine_Cattle_9883 1d ago

Well that’s because our police officers were originally slave patrol. Different name, same game.

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u/Medical_String_3367 1d ago

Why the fuck are you watching that?!

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u/GodFromTheHood 1d ago

That’s… also a way of life I guess 

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u/AND-NOW-THIS 1d ago

And what’s weirder, is that none of us voters are doing anything to improve the situation.

Have you considered taking a long hike off a short pier?

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u/longhegrindilemna 15h ago

No.

Why?

Will that solve the brutality and inhumanity?

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u/AND-NOW-THIS 12h ago

Try voting then.