r/interestingasfuck • u/SilkenSeraph • 1d ago

/r/all Ryan Waller, a 22-year-old man who, despite having a bullet in his eye, endured 4 hours of interrogation by cops who thought he was lying—only to receive medical help too late.

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u/gravityVT 1d ago edited 1d ago

The lawsuit filed by Ryan Waller’s family against the Phoenix Police Department and the City of Phoenix was dismissed due to an expert opinion suggesting that the delay in providing medical attention to Ryan likely did not alter the outcome of his injuries. This expert’s assessment led to the court’s decision to dismiss the case approximately three weeks before it was set to go to trial. 

Ryan’s father, Don Waller, contested this conclusion, arguing that the six-hour delay in medical treatment significantly contributed to the severity of Ryan’s condition. He pointed out that during this delay, Ryan’s brain was bleeding and swelling, which can lead to catastrophic injury. Despite securing a brain surgeon who was prepared to testify to this effect, the court ruled in favor of the defense’s expert, resulting in the dismissal of the lawsuit.

Source: https://weirdtruecrime.com/the-shocking-story-of-ryan-waller-heather-quan/

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u/charredfella 1d ago

That's fucked up. Where's the justice in that?

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u/AsstronautExplorer 1d ago

It’s a legal system not a justice system. You were just duped into thinking that justice is a goal for the courts.

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u/Ashky22 1d ago

A legal system. And laws are nothing but threats of institutional violence (unless you have enough privilege to be above the law). They are not restoring justice by any stretch.

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u/aspoonfulofsammy11 1d ago

Yep. It was probably that whole “With Liberty and Justice for All.” thing, that had us thinking there’d be some justice…

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u/ThonThaddeo 1d ago

Egg on my face

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u/jnmtx 17h ago

a real chicken egg? in this economy?

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u/Seksafero 22h ago

Bullet in my eye

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u/diywayne 3h ago

*terms and conditions do apply

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u/Benevolent__Tyrant 9h ago

They also write "your work will set you free" on slave camps.

It's just only in America are people dumb enough to believe the propaganda.

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u/aspoonfulofsammy11 9h ago

It’s just only in America? 😂😂😂 Oh sweet summer child…

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u/Benevolent__Tyrant 9h ago

There is no equal to American stupidity anywhere else on the globe.

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u/aspoonfulofsammy11 3h ago

It’s really cute that you believe that.

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u/Benevolent__Tyrant 3h ago

It's very telling that you don't.

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u/aspoonfulofsammy11 2h ago

Seems like you tell yourself a lot of things! It’s too bad they aren’t founded in reality and instead your biased worldview. Humans are truly stupid everywhere. We are literally a virus, and the fact that you think it’s somehow only in America is laughable.

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u/denbobo 1d ago

Someone get this comment an award

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u/ManyNicknames15 1d ago

This would have been flipped on proper appeal. I know that because I self-represented myself in lawsuits before. You can't side with one legal opinion of one side without hearing the other. Everyone is entitled to their day in court and to present their evidence contradictory and supporting. This is an abject failure of the legal system.

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u/Coyrex1 1d ago

Not surprised, courts will do what they need to give the city/cops a win.

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u/femaleZapBrannigan 1d ago

We should edit the pledge of allegiance and remove the liberty and justice for all part. 

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u/gfunk1369 1d ago

Perfectly said.

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u/ChemistBig9349 1d ago

The type of “legal system” in the US is LITERALLY CALLED CRIMINAL JUSTICE. smdh

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u/CantCatchTheLady 19h ago

Thank you! I’ve been campaigning to get us to stop using the expression “justice system” for years.

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u/EnvironmentalBar3347 19h ago

It sucks but that was the first thing I learned in law101, the difference between what is and what ought to be, and the difference between what is law and what is ideal.

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u/Kwasan 17h ago

Yup. Anyone who thinks the U.S. works the way we were taught in school is stupid, ignorant, or evil. Find me someone who doesn't fit that, and I'll be impressed. This country is evil, corrupt, and will use and abuse us until we all die.

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u/Confident-Local-8016 1d ago

The only goal of courts anymore is to get money out of the common people, or prevent them from getting money from others unless it's even more egregious, our legal system is a shame, but at least we don't actually arrest 6 yrs old for checks notes apparently being transphobic so I mean at least there's that

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u/SugarBeefs 1d ago

Cops are the biggest gang in America

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u/suicidaleggroll 1d ago

Cops and the courts that back them are the biggest gangs in America

FIFY

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u/Nameless1216 17h ago

Cops are just a government funded gang

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u/1980-whore 22h ago

Nah thats the army, the irony is i would be willing to bet these fuck nuts are basic training washouts. Every cycle has the power hungry little shits that cant be trusted. So naturally they wash out and go to the police academy talking about how they got medboarded or fought a drill sergent.

I love the compassionate cops genuinley trying to serve their communities. But my god the ones like this should be removed from any civil service and face signifigant prison sentences. We need a leavenworth for our boys in blue to be scared of.

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u/Academic_Ad5143 16h ago

This country is cooked man! I’m worried for my kids.

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u/ArgumentLatter4148 23h ago

ACAB!!! FUCK THE POLICE

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u/Few-Form-192 22h ago

I can see that.

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u/foul_ol_ron 1d ago

The justice of the government not having to pay a massive fine.  They investigated themselves,  and found themselves innocent /s

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u/theganjaoctopus 1d ago

Honey it's a legal system, not a justice system. If you get justice, it's despite the legal system, not because of it.

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u/TildeCommaEsc 1d ago edited 1d ago

Are you a lawyer? I knew a lawyer who used to tell me messed up stories about his work as a defense attorney, then would say the "It's a legal system, not a justice system."

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u/Long_Cod7204 1d ago

You had me at "Honey" (Sweetie also gets me). Perfect explanation, though.

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u/jduk43 1d ago

I have never thought about it in these terms but you’re right.

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u/mamurny 1d ago

i cant upvote this enough

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u/dhuntergeo 23h ago

That's criminal and the truth

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u/Plasmidmaven 20h ago

I just bookmarked that comment. It’s going up to the top on my list with, “ self- righteous while being self- serving”

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u/Itsmyloc-nar 17h ago

The Just Us system

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u/Spreaderoflies 1d ago

Justice in that we protected the cops who led to Ryan's disability and protected the city coffers from a multimillion dollar judgement or settlement. ACAB fuck them all

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u/ThatSandvichIsASpy01 1d ago

The justice is that the cops have to go and do it all again instead of getting paid time off

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u/Hugford_Blops 1d ago

And you know they have no guilt it think there's blood on their hands. They're really that ignorant to think that delaying medical care has no negative impacts on the guy.

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u/kevinnoir 1d ago

With Luigi

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u/femaleZapBrannigan 1d ago

It’s really the only way, apparently. 

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u/Estrald 22h ago

Exactly. How many times do cops murder both non-violent or INNOCENT bystanders, or rape women in custody, and it gets zero attention? No one pays for it, cops get off free! It’s a sick ring of debauchery that’s kept under wraps, premeditated and carried out by the people meant to protect us. Thousands upon thousands a year, it’s happening as we speak, to zero fanfare.

Oh Ho, but ONE disgruntled man (allegedly) shoots a billionaire CEO, and the fucking cops launch a worldwide manhunt and immediately seek the death penalty after a suspect has been caught. He’s been denied so many of his constitutional rights while under arrest, but no one can do anything, because the message is clear; We mean NOTHING to them. We’re chattel, filthy mud people, and they are the elite. So before anyone decides to lash out again, they’ll make an example out of Luigi, make sure we know that it’s never about the Justice we deserve…it’s how much Justice can you afford?

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u/joetwone 1d ago

Cops protecting cops.

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u/Beardopus 1d ago

There is no justice system.

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u/Fridge885 1d ago

PHX pd and the whole judiciary system in PHX is notoriously crooked, corrupt and biased. There was a case where a physically disabled unarmed man was tased and beaten on suspicion of being an armed robber. While store employees were telling the officers that he was innocent and they have the wrong guy during the whole incident they still arrested him and charged him with battery on a cop and resisting arrest. The dude was a totally different race from the guy who suspect the store literally black(innocent) and white(suspect). Going up in PHX I’ve seen police do some shady stuff out in the open without a care in the world now with body cameras it’s slowed em down but it won’t stop them. Don’t get me wrong there is a lot of good officers in PHX pd but the bad ones outshine em which is a shame.

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u/Tight_Tree_2789 1d ago

In the street.

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u/AardvarkEmpress 1d ago

It’s Phoenix. There is no justice.

Look into how many ignored sex crimes on minors there are in Maricopa County. Sheriff-who-must-not-be-named ignored so much and did so little.

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u/40yearoldnoob 1d ago

There is no justice in America when cops are the accused ones…..

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u/Bikesbassbeerboobs 1d ago

We don't have a justice system. We have a legal system. Important distinction.

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u/Tough-Effort7572 1d ago

It sounds fucked up, but there is an actual explanation. Everyone is talking about the six hours he was in custody, but the fact is the damage had been done literally 2-DAYS before the parents called for a welfare check. He was shot and left for dead on the 23rd of December, and only found when his parents called in a welfare check because he failed to show up for Christmas. There is no indication that the final six hours would have made any difference since the bullet had been lodged in his brain for over 40 hours already, and his symptoms suggest he had already sustained brain damage upon the initial shooting.

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u/Possible_Hawk450 1d ago

Wait wait if they found him 2 days later why not just put him medical care and then question himafter he's discharged?

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u/czstyle 1d ago

Not in Arizona

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u/petit_cochon 1d ago

They can appeal the dismissal.

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u/ProtiK 1d ago

Cases cost money

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u/drunkondata 1d ago

lol.

Where's the justice in America.

I call it the Criminally Unjust System or the Just Criminals System, because it's just criminals conducting the arrests, criminals prosecuting the charges, and criminals banging their gavels.

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u/ButImChuckBass 1d ago

This is America

No justice with these fucks

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u/shaneh445 1d ago

There is no real Justice in this country

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u/thetruckerdave 1d ago

I do believe Last Week Tonight did a whole thing on medical experts or expert witnesses. It’s a super fucked up cottage industry

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u/SubGeniusX 1d ago

Awww, my sweet summer child...

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u/twoisnumberone 1d ago

Justice for a non-billionaire in the US? You must be joking, child.

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u/TowerOfPowerWow 1d ago

Have you met the united states injustice system before?

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u/LaZZyBird 1d ago

Guess why the Punisher exist.

If this was in Eastern Europe this would be a blood feud that goes on until one family gets completely destroyed.

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u/pwrsrc 1d ago

There is none. They’re covering for each other, maybe?

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u/ckole11 1d ago

As we are learning with the Doge situation, and what I always thought to be the case, money can always influence people’s decisions. The only question is how much. No doubt in my mind that either the judge or the expert witness was on the cities payroll.

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u/CSG1aze 1d ago

There ain’t justice here in America, just hate.

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u/EvilMatt666 1d ago

In someone's pocket.

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u/goofayball 22h ago

One persons justice is another’s injustice. In this case cop justice is victim injustice. Fairly common occurrence.

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u/Swagerflakes 20h ago

We have laws not justice

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u/77Megg77 20h ago

I hate court decisions like this. That sounds like a very biased judge.

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u/dangshnizzle 20h ago

How often is there actual justice?

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u/idrathernotdothat 18h ago

Have to take your own

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u/Itsmyloc-nar 17h ago

I understand why you would be confused

It’s actually called the “ Just Us” system

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u/que_bee_eff90 17h ago

That's the rub, no justice in this world

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u/ClosetLadyGhost 16h ago

Fyi he died 10 years later

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u/Italiancrazybread1 1d ago

I mean, he got shot in the freaking eye. The eye doesn't just heal from major damage like other organs do. Once it's been damaged, there's no going back. The moment that bullet went in there was likely nothing anyone could do because the damage was already done. The best they can do is prevent further infection by removing it.

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u/Bananus_Magnus 1d ago

What the hell are you on about?

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u/eatcrayons 1d ago

Isn’t the point of the trial to hear from all sides and experts and witnesses? How can you hear one side say their part and just go “yeah okay” and not go through with the trial.

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u/mc360jp 23h ago

When you’re a judge employed by the city/state and this case could either cost them $15m or $0.

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u/AigataTakeshita 1d ago

Okay... I can see that being true. What about the unnecessary suffering? What about the absolute ineptitude?

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u/foul_ol_ron 1d ago

Won't somebody please think of the poor police feelings. They feel  that everyone thinks they're absolute bastards. Can't understand why...

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u/antifragile 1d ago edited 1d ago

Expert witnesses are just about always hired specifically to tell a narrative not the truth, because it's just an opinion, often a con job.

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u/Epyon214 1d ago

When you deny a legal remedy in a peaceful manner, you make violence inevitable. The entire purpose for the courts existence is to settle disputes without violence. The judge should be sued as well.

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u/TheLizardKing89 1d ago

an expert opinion suggesting that the delay in providing medical attention to Ryan likely did not alter the outcome of his injuries.

Even if that were true, isn’t that an issue of fact that should be decided at trial?

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u/superstar1751 1d ago

no suprise there, only way you get retribution when the government wrongs you is by taking it into your own hands

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u/bazilbt 1d ago

What the fuck? Isn't that something you would argue in court and not with a dismissal?

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u/New-Noise-7382 1d ago

Ahh but aint that America. This mentality explains the supplying weapons and genocide of Palestinians

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u/Ok_Reflection1950 1d ago

i hope judge and cop both end up in hell for this ! that just evil !

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u/RolandTwitter 1d ago

And people think we say "ACAB" because we want to be a part of a counter culture... No, there are reasons

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u/DemonInADesolateLand 1d ago

So they brought in an expert witness before the trial, without the family being able to challenge the witness or his opinions in any way, and threw out the case based on this expert's testimony.

That sounds totally normal.

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u/SuspiciousCranberry6 1d ago

The lawsuit filed by Ryan Waller’s family against the Phoenix Police Department and the City of Phoenix was dismissed due to an expert opinion suggesting that the delay in providing medical attention to Ryan likely did not alter the outcome of his injuries. This expert’s assessment led to the court’s decision to dismiss the case approximately three weeks before it was set to go to trial.

Isn't the whole point of a trial to allow both sides to present their case? Instead, a judge whose to dismiss this case based on the testimony from one side. That's not right.

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u/notANexpert1308 1d ago

Thank you for your sensible response

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u/Flecca 1d ago

Why does it say chatgpt.com

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u/CrimsonCambridgeGirl 1d ago

Could they appeal it? This is monstrous! That judge is a joke.

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u/iiiamsco 1d ago

This is why some people protest and riot. You’ll usually get no justice otherwise

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u/NothingWasDelivered 1d ago

Wait, IANAL, but isn’t this exactly the kind of fact that needs to be established at trial? Like, isn’t that the point of a trial?

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u/Mr_FancyBottom 1d ago

That’s the kind of shit that should be determined AT TRIAL!!!!

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u/no_talent_ass_clown 1d ago edited 1d ago

Fucking AZ again.

Ed: I meant Maricopa County and the injustice happened from 2006- 2016 and guess who was running it? That's right, Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

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u/Lington 1d ago

providing medical attention to Ryan likely did not alter the outcome of his injuries.

Why does that even matter? It's inhumane to deny/delay medical care and sounds illegal?

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u/SewRuby 1d ago

I bet they didn't change venues. The City/County that is involved in the suit should not be ruling on said suit.

Huge miscarriage of Justice.

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u/Literature-South 1d ago

Isn't the whole point of the trial for both sides to present their evidence, including experts, and have the jury decide? This sounds like the judge just skipped the trial and listened to one side of the story and made their decision based on that.

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u/SteakandTrach 1d ago

Holy shit. If that were my son, I would have zero choice but to go 100% evil vigilante. I would be methodical and ruthless.

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u/swarthypants 23h ago

That would be my villain origin story right there

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u/ecb4alaNO 22h ago

Can’t it go to the Supreme Court?

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u/Live-Character-6205 21h ago

So they are saying I could just walk into the terminal ward and start unplugging people? Insane.

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u/Gibsonmo 19h ago

This is the kind of shit that radicalizes people, Jesus fucking christ, blood boiling

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u/Lolidan 19h ago

I thought experts were supposed to say these things in the actual court? This seems so blatantly corrupt its mind boggling. No wonder people caught in that system can snap.

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u/wewerelegends 17h ago

Outside of the outcome, what about the 6 hours of suffering and pain endured? That isn’t taken into account? He was not receiving any pain management after being shot…

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u/isntthatjesus1987 17h ago

I hope those police are murdered in cold blood with an explanation left on their bodies for their families.

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u/what_do_US 16h ago

My question is how much did they pay someone to get it dismissed?

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u/Trifula 16h ago

I am baffled by the logic of it all. Doctors will try everything and anything to rescue the patient. How the hell did an "expert" come to the conclusion that waiting 6 hours with a bullet in your head did not have any kind of influence on the possible outcome??

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u/JeepHammer 15h ago

This is why vigilante, organized 'Vigilance' groups (not gangs or drive by idiots) scares the shit out of cops, lawyers, judges, corporate executives, etc.

So a health insurance executive got shot in NYC... They pulled in every off duty cop, the FBI, anti terrorists taskforces got side tracked, etc. Do you think any other murders in NYC got that level of involvement?

How about the entire NYPD being pulled off other crimes to cater to this one crime?

The reason for unions and social contracts is so there is legal recourse for those being abused is so the mass population doesn't show up and drag these people out of their homes with torches & pitchforks...

So when 'The System' so blatantly favors the police, which were 100% in the wrong, where is your means of recourse & justice? We see what the courts did to protect the police, so where do you go now?

Someome needs to imform these people in power that torches & pitchforks are still available...

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u/VastAd6645 14h ago

Thats so bias

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u/Beachboy442 8h ago

somebody got paid

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u/SummertimeThrowaway2 3h ago

The government can just kill people and when someone takes action they can just make up shit and say it’s not their fault