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u/Imwhatswrongwithyou Official Gal 1d ago
She is amazing but this is one of the reasons CrossFit is so dangerous. No professional gym should be using lightweight wooden boxes as workout equipment. Poor gal
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u/StinkyCheeseGirl 1d ago
Yeah, seems like a lot of this (all of it?) could have been prevented by not having people jump onto objects that fall over when landed on incorrectly….
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u/JanitorOPplznerf 1d ago
There are plenty of problems with Crossfit (promotes weird form on exercises and licensed the brand name to any schmo who could afford it with no qualification standards)
But this isn’t one of them. Those blocks are very standard high jump tools.
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u/bagelwithclocks 1d ago
Not in that orientation. The problem with cross fit is that they have people do very technical stuff at high reps to failure. That is bound to lead to injury.
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u/JanitorOPplznerf 1d ago
“High rates” and “to failure” will cause no long term harm and may be optimal for muscle growth.
My main problem and indeed ONLY problem comes with the exercise techniques they promote.
Complex movements need to be done with a high degree of control and stability and you need to be in control the whole time.
One needs only look at their pull up technique to see how injury prone crossfit is
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u/bagelwithclocks 1d ago
What I should have said was that they are having amateurs doing those things without enough training.
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u/getrealpoofy 1d ago
CrossFit pullups don't seem more dangerous than any other exercise.
Kipping is just a technique to make the exercise easier. They defined what a pull-up was (getting down to full extension, and then getting your chin over the bar), and then kipping is the easiest way to do it.
I think it only looks out of control because people aren't used to seeing momentum used in pullups.
But you wouldn't blink twice at an Olympic lifter doing a snatch, an inherently far more dangerous activity, because you know they trained the flexibility and strength to catch an extremely heavy weight in a very compromised position and not drop it on their head after dislocating their shoulder and tearing their rotator cuff like what would happen to an untrained individual catching the same weight.
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u/bagelwithclocks 1d ago
I would blink twice at 40 people doing as many snatches as they can in a warehouse without proper training.
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u/getrealpoofy 1d ago
Haha, sure.
But don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Bad form, very light weight is still safe, and not exercising is still extremely dangerous.
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u/misplaced_my_pants ✨chick✨ 1d ago
Or you could just do actual pullups and get stronger without trying to yank your arm out of your shoulder.
Get results without injuries.
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u/getrealpoofy 1d ago
Kipping pullups result in injuries?
I don't do CrossFit, but I do rock climbing and we do way stupider shit generally without injury. You can train up to a lot of training techniques that would be dangerous for a beginner.
Do you have a source on kipping pullups causing injuries, or are you just fearmongering for your ego?
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u/misplaced_my_pants ✨chick✨ 19h ago
I mean Crossfit in general is infamous for its injury rates from irresponsible or non-existent programming.
Kipping pullups as done in Crossfit are explosive movements done by people who haven't built up the strength and tissue capacity and this is generally a recipe for injury regardless of movement.
Competent coaches training power build strength first so you're actually capable of more force production and your tissues are stronger for it before shifting focus to power training, where you can convert that strength into power with focused programming.
In addition, explosive movements for high reps is also a garbage method for training power, not seen in any traditional power sport like weightlifting or sprinting.
And lol at climbers not experiencing injury. You must be new to the sport. I'm not even in it but the injuries are famous. I can literally find videos of tendons audibly snapping. It's a frequent topic of discussion on climbing forums.
Anyway yeah you absolutely can train up to doing kipping pullups safely, but Crossfit famously doesn't do that. Most Crossfitters can't do normal pullups with good form because kipping pullups are shockingly terrible at building strength.
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u/523bucketsofducks 1d ago
Unsecured or weighted at the base? Easy to topple over is the way they do it wherever you are? Because that's not standard
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u/_Smashbrother_ 1d ago
Dude these boxes are like at every gym. They are not weighted because you want people to be able to move them easily. The problem was the girl in the video trying to something she shouldn't have. It's no different from some dude trying to squat a weight he can't do, and then falling over and hurting himself. It's not the barbell or weights fault.
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u/Sapphoinastripclub 1d ago
Crossfit is so dangerous. My mother was being pushed past her limits while doing burpees and a disc in her back ruptured. She’s had like 5 back surgeries and a permanent nerve stimulator implanted in her back since, and still has no feeling in one of her legs.
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u/No-Top-6313 1d ago
Now imagine if all that wasted time doing recovery went to doing normal training instead of doing CrossFit. I don't blame her for it and I applaud her tenacity, but she was badly advised and she hurt herself because of it.
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u/Gordopolis_II 👨💻 Research Assistant 1d ago
Indeed, aerobic exercise would have been far more beneficial to her health (especially cardiovascular). Weight training does have its benefits but its not what she should be focusing if her goal is to improve her overall well being or avoid similar injuries in the future.
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u/misplaced_my_pants ✨chick✨ 1d ago
This is wrong.
She should be doing both.
Strength training specifically improves your resilience to injury when done correctly.
It also improves your metabolic health, increases your bone density, and builds or maintains muscle mass even in a caloric deficit.
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u/Gordopolis_II 👨💻 Research Assistant 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is wrong.
Numerous scientific studies have shown aerobic exercise is superior to resistance / weight training in obese individuals in terms of both cardiovascular health and body fat reduction.
Aerobic exercise trumps resistance training for weight and fat loss - Duke University
Effect of aerobic training versus resistance training for improving cardiorespiratory fitness and body composition - Archives of Gerontology and Geriatrics
As I said previously, this isn't to say that weight training is bad or would result in a negative outcome (in fact weight lifting is a great way to maintain or increase lean muscle mass), I'm simply pointing out that one has been continually documented as being more effective than the other.
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u/misplaced_my_pants ✨chick✨ 19h ago
Weight loss is overwhelmingly determined by diet. Exercise has repeatedly been shown to have very little effect in weight loss in practice as most people experience increased appetite, which, if not accounted for by counting calories to maintain a given deficit, results in increased eating and/or reduction in NEET.
Notably what we're really interested in is not weight loss but body composition. You want to get leaner while maintaining muscle mass more than you want to get leaner while losing muscle mass.
The reason to strength train is for the overwhelming benefits I described and the reason to train endurance is because it has it's own benefits. They generally shouldn't be used as the primary lever to pull for weight loss, but for improving health and fitness and body composition.
And in fact your second link said as much:
Therefore, a combination of AT and RT might be optimal for comprehensive fitness and body composition improvements with aging.
And your last link didn't even compare the two.
Googling studies for keywords that sound like they prove your point is generally a sign that you don't know what you're talking about.
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u/Gordopolis_II 👨💻 Research Assistant 17h ago edited 16h ago
Weight loss is overwhelmingly determined by diet.
Nice pivot. I agree diet is a significant factor.
Exercise has repeatedly been shown to have very little effect in weight loss in practice
I would love to see your source for this.
Notably what we're really interested in is not weight loss but body composition.
Sure - no argument.
You want to get leaner while maintaining muscle mass more than you want to get leaner while losing muscle mass.
Yes, but it isnt as effective if your goal is to become leaner or to experience the cardiovascular improvements documented through aerobic activity (if your emphasis is on weight training alone.)
They generally shouldn't be used as the primary lever to pull for weight loss
Great, we agree.
And in fact your second link said
You're cherry picking from that study.
"The primary finding of this analysis is aerobic training significantly improved VO2max/peak, 6-MWT, and body mass in comparison with resistance training in middle-aged to older adults."
My original comment never said she shouldn't be resistance training. I simply pointed out that aerobic exercise has clear benefits over resistance training alone in obese individuals. Do you really think any practitioner is going to tell her to focus on weight training before concentrating on reducing her overall body mass through aerobic activity?
And your last link didn't even compare the two.
A direct comparison isn't required to interpret the benefits of aerobic exercise observed in the study.
is generally a sign that you don't know what you're talking about.
This is an amazing statement to make from someone who didn't know the difference between aerobic and anaerobic exercise a day ago.
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u/misplaced_my_pants ✨chick✨ 15h ago
Nice pivot. I agree diet is a significant factor.
Not a pivot. I never mentioned weight loss as the ultimate goal. And it is objectively true that strength training improves the effectiveness of any attempt at losing body fat when you count calories, which none of your links attempted to study.
I would love to see your source for this.
It's genuinely shocking that you can be this uninformed on one of the most widely and repeatedly research areas of the last decade. I guess you can Google things that support your views but can't do the same for things that disprove them. I even mentioned some of the factors . . .
Here's an article that links some relevant studies to start: https://www.vox.com/2018/1/3/16845438/exercise-weight-loss-myth-burn-calories
Yes, but it isnt as effective if your goal is to become leaner or to experience the cardiovascular improvements documented through aerobic activity (if your emphasis is on weight training alone.)
I literally said everyone should be doing both.
You're cherry picking from that study.
It's the literal conclusion. You can't even read the comments you respond to.
My original comment never said she shouldn't be resistance training. I simply pointed out that aerobic exercise has clear benefits over resistance training alone in obese individuals. Do you really think any practitioner is going to tell her to focus on weight training before concentrating on reducing her overall body mass through aerobic activity?
Again, I said she should be doing both. You're manufacturing claims I never made. Why you've decided to spend your time doing this is a mystery to me.
A direct comparison isn't required to interpret the benefits of aerobic exercise observed in the study.
This makes even less sense then because I literally never denied the benefits of endurance training.
This is an amazing statement to make from someone who didn't know the difference between aerobic and anaerobic exercise a day ago.
I literally replied to that comment 2 hours before you ever linked it saying I had simply misread it. I, at least, am capable of admitting when I've made a mistake.
Anyway this interaction has been completely incoherent since you've somehow taken a suggestion to do both strength and endurance training as a claim she should only be doing one.
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u/Gordopolis_II 👨💻 Research Assistant 7h ago edited 6h ago
Really not interested in arguing this with you further or making it personal. Our statements speak for themselves.
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u/caw_the_crow 1d ago
From the video it looked like her goal was competitive weight lifting
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u/misplaced_my_pants ✨chick✨ 1d ago
No this was Crossfit.
A real weightlifting coach would never let her do box jumps before first building her up in terms of strength and power.
And her technique would be far better with a competent coach.
No shade on her. This is expected with effectively self-coached amateurs who go to Crossfit.
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u/Jacobs_Haus 1d ago
Bruh the transition from that demonic expression of determination to little happy jumps and claps at the end was fucking hilarious
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u/BenNHairy420 ✨chick✨ 1d ago
I will never ever do that exercise after seeing the video of a dude falling backwards on his arm doing it. Glad she didn’t let it get in her way
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u/PurplePanda63 1d ago
I hate box jumps just for this reason. I’m very off balance on a good day. They always scared me
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u/FederalDeficit 23h ago
I would want a spotter for sure. And after watching this, give me those blocks with stable bases shaped like /```\
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u/misplaced_my_pants ✨chick✨ 1d ago
You can work your way up to it from a height that seems safe and easy.
Progressive overload just like anything else.
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u/PurplePanda63 1d ago
Yeah that’s fair. My experience at gyms though is they don’t have anything lower than the small size
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u/misplaced_my_pants ✨chick✨ 19h ago
You can stack bumper plates if they have them.
Or maybe find a staircase or something in the environment in or out of the gym.
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u/523bucketsofducks 1d ago
Advanced agility training =/= powerlifting
Don't push yourself to do something you aren't ready for.
Jumping 3ft up onto an unsecured box is also just all around dumb as hell, no matter who you are.
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u/marshmellow_delight 1d ago
I’ll say the same thing I said here that I said in the original thread.
It’s fucking dumb to do a box jump onto anything unsecured that is only a quarter of your weight.
If she had a trainer she needs to sue them for the cost of her medical
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u/Professorbustyboy 1d ago
I ain’t see her jump into another box though…
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u/Gordopolis_II 👨💻 Research Assistant 1d ago
It looks like she shifted her focus from aerobic activity.
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u/misplaced_my_pants ✨chick✨ 1d ago
She was literally weightlifting at the end . . . .
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u/Gordopolis_II 👨💻 Research Assistant 1d ago
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u/JanitorOPplznerf 1d ago
Doing other exercises while your ankle is broken is good shit!
Also good clean & press!
Keep at it! I need to get back in the gym
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u/z0mbieG3nocide 1d ago
I know so many people who would view this as an excuse to quit. If I could up vote this twice I would.
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