r/marvelstudios • u/misteranderson71 • Dec 18 '24
Discussion (More in Comments) Anyone else miss classic Thor?
I definitely don't disagree that Chris Hemsworth has really done a bang up job of bringing Thor to life on the big screen and evolving the character so well over the last 13 or so years. Hard to imagine anyone else taking his place now he's so synonymous with the role.
But for all that excellence over the years there's still a big part of me that wishes he still mostly spoke like he did in Thor 1 and the first Avengers film. He could still nail the comedy as was his comeback line to BW after the one in the picture.
Anyone else feel the same way?
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u/zamparra217 Dec 18 '24
i miss him so much!
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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man Dec 18 '24
“This drink I like it..”
“I know right it’s so—“
“ANOTHER!”
I know people liked Thor 3 revival of the character, but I was always a fan of pre-Thor 3 character. Now I’ve grown to like Thor being comic relief because well Chris Hemsworth plays him so well
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u/Upstairs-Boring Dec 18 '24
The comic relief only worked in small doses. He was able to be so funny because he would take himself seriously the rest of the time. That's why L&T didn't work. If he's just constantly a parody of himself then it's not funny. Hemsworth is a fantastic comic actor but they really need to reign it in if they're gonna use him again because I found L&T unbearable.
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u/ImNotHighFunctioning Dec 18 '24
Fortunately he seems to think the same.
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u/1handedmaster Dec 18 '24
Hell, I think the director admitted as much.
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u/Lobsterzilla Dec 18 '24
“ANOTHER!” And “I NEED A HORSE!” Made me laugh tremendously when I first saw it
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u/NK1337 Dec 18 '24
Pre-Thor 3 was more comics accurate I would say. That version of Thor is generally more stoic and that was a big part of his humor because his lines were delivered with 100% seriousness in character. I kind of wish they had continued with with that rather than gone full himbo.
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u/Pootenheim910 Dec 19 '24
From Ragnarok onwards, Thor's personality is far closer to comic book Hercules. The bombastic showman who revels in stupidity, very much a himbo. Comics Thor (and early MCU Thor) had the balance between doofus fish-out-of-water and noble prince.
It's a shame, because now they've done damage to Thor and taken Hercules' schtick away from him.
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u/ImNotHighFunctioning Dec 18 '24
He was funnier when he was serious. He was the Comically Serious
No he's just a wannabe Guardian of the Galaxy.
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u/The_Radio_Host Dec 19 '24
I think current Thor works as an evolution of how he was originally, since I’d imagine as he’s further exposed to Earth’s culture he’d become a little more relaxed and goofy
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u/Rakalimon Tony Stark Dec 18 '24
But not those eyebrows.
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u/Brogener Yellowjacket Dec 18 '24
Hemsworth looks better without them but he absolutely looks more “Norse” with them though.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Box7800 Dec 18 '24
That’s what’s weird abt the look. I always thought smn was wrong but couldn’t point what
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u/ClovedSage Dec 18 '24
They bleached his eyebrows for some reason
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u/WhiteWholeSon Dec 18 '24
Because people with light blonde or red hair have light eyebrows.
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u/ClovedSage Dec 18 '24
Not always, for instance, I have light strawberry blonde hair, and I have super light eyebrows, but my sister has the same hair and super dark, dirty blonde eyebrows
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u/BomBiddyByeBye Dec 18 '24
Still doesn’t look right… which is why they changed it
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u/actuallycallie Bucky Dec 18 '24
My headcanon is Loki tricked him into believing that looked good lol
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u/Peer_turtles Dec 18 '24
Despite Thor Ragnorok being in my top 5 mcu movies, taika waititi made Thor too much of a dumb surfer bro to the detriment of the character. I can’t see him as a centuries old warrior alien anymore because he acts like some dude from contemporary Earth these days.
Infinity war Thor was peak Thor. Was still hot headed and cracked jokes but he was still extremely knowledgeable and competent
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u/Plant-Straight Dec 18 '24
He was kinda dumb in Ragnarok but when stuff got real he was all business but taika decided to rewind all that in Thor 4 and made him dumb 100% of the time
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u/5urr3aL Dec 18 '24
He was smart enough to learn Loki's tricks and outsmart him in Ragnarok. Then fat Thor in Endgame and Thor 4 ruined his character
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u/justhereforthem3mes1 Dec 18 '24
I like the idea of fat thor, but they leaned into it a bit too much for jokes. Thor 4 is just character assassination
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u/TrueTech0 Dec 18 '24
They needed to lean more into his trauma because that's what it was. But they focused on Tony for that stuff
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u/romulea Dec 18 '24
They really should’ve instead of flanderizing him. He lost his whole family and his home realm. Angry Thor impaling Thanos with Stormbreaker was peak Thor.
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u/Ok_Independent9119 Dec 18 '24
Thor processing his trauma as depression was fine. They laid into the jokes a bit and you can argue maybe too much but I don't think it detracted from the movie overall
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u/icouldntdecide Dec 19 '24
The conversation he has with his mother in Endgame just breaks me, but I feel like the way they handled his depression allowed for such a great scene for the two of them.
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u/Ok_Independent9119 Dec 19 '24
Thor in Infinity war and end game was my favorite. I loved that he was the happy one and the goofy one in Ragnarok and then was just so beaten. His line in IW saying "what more could I lose" and then closing himself off again was great, then when he fails to kill Thanos and then can't fix it by killing him later he realizes how much he could still lose.
He lost his entire family, his home was destroyed, his people slaughtered by Hella, attacked by Thanos, then half of those survivors snapped out of existence. Like just huge losses and it broke him down. For all its faults, my favorite part of L&T was giving him a reason to keep going by giving him a daughter.
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u/LakersFan15 Dec 18 '24
I like fat thor.
It fits more with Norse mythology - he's supposed to be a drunk.
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u/OvechknFiresHeScores Dec 18 '24
You can’t see him as Old Thor anymore after Ragnarok even though your peak Thor is the very first appearance of Thor immediately after Ragnarok?
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u/Stevenstorm505 Weekly Wongers Dec 18 '24
I think he’s also including Love and Thunder when he says Taika made him a dumb surfer bro and made it hard to see him any other way. Ragnarok was just the start of it. Thor had a little bit of actual screen time focused on him and there was a very clear agenda and mission he was on in Infinity War that didn’t allow for Taika’s version of Thor to really exist in the movie and that story. It was almost like they put a pause on that version for Infinity War because he had to be no nonsense on a vigilant path of vengeance and blood. I don’t think Endgame did anything to help that either. Ragnarok started it, Endgame cemented it and Love and Thunder completely destroyed what Thor was as a character previously. I understand what that dude means when he says that he can’t see him as anything but that now. A lot of people try to justify it by saying he changed because of the time he spent on earth, but if those few years were enough to turn him into what he ended up becoming than that really reflects badly on our planet in the MCU if we turned a warrior god of nobility and purpose into a bumbling dumb L.A. gym bro. I got downvoted to hell for saying this when Ragnarok came out but I still think that movie damaged Thor and Banners characters more than it did any good.
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u/knight_in_white Dec 18 '24
Ragnarok was a fun movie loads of people liked it, I do too. I enjoyed it for the weird setting and we got to see Thor find himself. It was a very big movie for his character development. Thor was goofy in it but when it came down to the wire he was serious and focused. We got serious and focused Thor in Infinity War. Bro loses the last member of his family and then failed to save the universe. His situation in Endgame is entirely understandable. Bro had a traumatic experience and developed alcoholism. How Endgame handled him was such a fucking let down though. There was Grammy worthy potential for his part of the story and they fucking squandered it with fat jokes. The scene with Thor and Frigga talking was really sweet it makes me tear up almost every time I watch it. Then we get to Love and Thunder which I haven’t watched since it was in theaters. I started off thinking I was gonna come to bat for Love and Thunder and Half way through typing his I realized that I haven’t watched it since it was in theaters. I can’t remember one thing I liked about it so yeah /rant or something
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u/MajorNoodles Dec 18 '24
Love and Thunder is an exaggerated caricature. Keep in mind that the entire movie is a story being told by Korg to some kids, which is why everything seems so ridiculous.
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u/szthesquid Dec 18 '24
"It wasn't a bad movie, it was a goofball telling a silly story"
Yeah you have identified the problem, great work
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u/seridandy Dec 18 '24
Did you just redeem Love and Thunder for me? This is my headcanon now.
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u/MajorNoodles Dec 18 '24
It's not headcanon. The first scene after the Gorr origin pre-title sequence is Korg sitting in front of a campfire with a bunch of kids.
Come, come, gather round. And listen to the legend of the Space Viking. AKA the God of Thunder. AKA Thor Odinson.
And then he narrates for 2 and a half minutes. And the last lines of the movie are another Korg voiceover as he explains why the movie is called Love and Thunder.
That campfire story is a framing device for the entire movie.
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u/ToxicBanana69 Dec 18 '24
That doesn’t mean the things we see in the movie happened differently. The movie is framed as Korg telling the story but we have zero reason to believe Korg is an unreliable narrator. The goofy, ridiculous things that happened in the film actually happened in the MCU, exactly how we saw it happen. It’s otherwise detrimental to Thor’s character if we didn’t see what he actually went through.
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u/mayonnaise_dick Dec 18 '24
zero reason to believe Korg is an unreliable narrator
he's dumb as a box of rocks
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u/ToxicBanana69 Dec 18 '24
Let me rephrase: there’s zero reason to believe that we’re just watching a retelling of the story through Korg.
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u/Neveronlyadream Spider-Man Dec 18 '24
I don't think we are, at least not fully.
There are things he couldn't know. Like Jane's chemo and that whole using a piece of folded paper to explain a wormhole scene. There's no real reason for anyone to have told him that or what Gorr was up to that no one but Gorr would have known and had no time to tell anyone else.
It's always a messy framing device, especially in film. They always forget they're telling a story within a story and show us things the narrator couldn't possibly know because we need to know as the audience, making us wonder whether the narrator is making it up.
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u/Maleficent_Ad_5175 Dec 18 '24
At one point and perhaps another in the future, he very well could be a box of rocks
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u/ImNotHighFunctioning Dec 18 '24
"The movie is bad because a dumbfuck is intentionally telling it in a way that's meant to be bad."
You're not helping your case there, buddy.
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u/MajorNoodles Dec 18 '24
Never said I agreed with that approach. I'm just explaining it.
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u/Upstairs-Boring Dec 18 '24
It's a bit ridiculous if you have to excuse a movie being terrible by saying the narrator in the story can't be trusted.
He made a bad movie. That's it. Taika didn't really want to do a sequel, he thinks the character is ridiculous and that people who care about the character are ridiculous so he made a movie that purposely mocks both. He's not exactly hidden how he feels. That's his perogative but the people who perform mental gymnastics to try create a reality where it didn't happen are just weird.
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u/avahz Dec 18 '24
From how I see it, the two Thors handle grief very differently. Compare Ragnarok Thor, after losing his father, as well as the brothers three, with infinity war Thor, after losing his brother, his best friend and many asgardians who he had sworn to protect.
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u/Peer_turtles Dec 18 '24 edited Dec 18 '24
Well yeah? Infinity war wasn’t written by Taika Watiti and so Thor has a tonal shift in the portrayal of his character there.
Ragnorok at least tried to balance the highly increased playfulness of Thor’s personality and retain the pseudo-norse pageantry of his character. It worked enough of the times but when it didn’t, it fell really flat and at the expense of the plot and the emotional stakes. The signs were there and it should’ve been obvious it tone down a little next time, which they exactly did in Infinity war.
But instead, Taika Watiti after became WAY too high on himself and overly double downed on the clown personality in Love and Thunder, which made him nothing more than a literal joke.
Ragnorok teeters on the line of too much but the rest of the movie is good enough to forgive it, Infinity war is peak Thor, Endgame sort of tries to explore Thor’s depression but never fully commits and ends up dropping it for mediocrity, Love and Thunder is the nail in the coffin.
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u/pigeonwiggle Dec 18 '24
haters going to hate.
it's hard to ignore them because the idea that taika ruined thor has been so infectious that all the cool kids Have to have that opinion to fit in.
but it really is dumb.
Thor
thor was this old fuddy duddy with blonde eyebrows who was a cocky asshole and so odin said "you don't get to weild the hammer again until you earn it." Thor goes to earth to retrieve it. finds himself unworthy, struggles, and finally learns to respect others.Avengers
he then aids the avengers when they aid him with his troublesome brotherThe Dark World
and finds himself quite liking this planet with Jane and Steve and Tony and Bruce.Ultron
he starts visiting more often and then sees a vision warning of impending doom.Ragnarok
in a panic he tries to gather information to save his pet planet, and exhibits more smarmy personality the way his earth friends seemed to.Infinity War
then the last of his family is killed, he's absolutely broken - especially when he fails to save the universe.Endgame
he collapses into a full gamer-state and largely gives up. finally, he's given a shot to bring everyone back and he goes back to asgard - his mother recognizes he's been through a lot and the exchange instills him with hope. he steals Mjolnir and returns to defeat thanos.Love and Thunder
re-ignited by his asgardian roots, he travels back to space with the guardians to find himself and discovers a god butcher is running loose.his journey has fully made sense so far. Thor V has the potentially to absolutely kill.
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u/existential_chaos Dec 18 '24
This is apparently an unpopular opinion but I really wish they hadn’t moved away from the darker tones of the first films—going from that to Ragnarok gave me whiplash, lol.
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u/EmpJoker Dec 18 '24
I like it actually. It's Thor going native, that's all it is. He loves earth and is learning his personality from them
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u/AsaTJ Dec 18 '24
Thor is my favorite Marvel character and Infinity War was my favorite movie in the saga because it felt like I was really seeing my Thor, the guy from the comics, onscreen. In an alternate universe where the Russos did the first three Thor movies instead of Cap, I think they'd be incredible. They're the only creatives at Marvel Studios who seem to get him.
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u/SpecialFlutters Dec 18 '24
i mean didn't he like... spend 5 years on earth playing video games with people like noobmaster69 to become like that? directly after infinity war too, i think it kinda checks out tbh 😂 he probably should've become more thor-like after though
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u/WOAHdude0197 Dec 18 '24
I mean isnt Thor thousands of years old? Is 5 years really enough to change his whole personality in serious situations?
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u/Hinoto-no-Ryuji Dec 18 '24
“Serious situation” is certainly one way of saying “after being made to feel personally responsible for the death of countless billions.”
I think if anything would make him slip into a state of self-loathing and depression, it would be something with that kind of weight.
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u/SpecialFlutters Dec 18 '24
i mean, being thousands of years old would be pretty useless if you didn't have much neuroplasticity. imagine being born during the stone age and not being able to get out of your cave when they build london around you.
then again, that might just make you more likely to try and keep other people in the stone age, and that definitely checks out lol.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Box7800 Dec 18 '24
Honestly dumb shit like this happens in the comics all the time but ppl don’t question it there, only in movies. But I guess it’s cuz there’s far less movies than comics. So we don’t want to oversaturate a character with comedy when they have only so much screen time
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u/pagerussell Dec 18 '24
Infinity war Thor was peak Thor
Hard agree.
He also had emotional depth. Fantastic character in that movie.
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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man Dec 18 '24
Oh hell yeah I definitely agree. Like dude was talking to a skeleton like he was Deadpool or something lol. I loved a Thor in Infinity War too
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u/snowe99 Dec 18 '24
I think Hemsworth shares some responsibility as well, as the behind the scenes stuff makes it seem like he worked WITH Taika in a very funny/riffy way during those shoots to kind of craft a new “vibe”
And I can’t blame him, when I see interviews of Hemsworth he looks like he has fun with it. It’s the equivalent of if your professional job was the same as you and your friends at the high school lunch table, throwing jokes around and making bits and seeing what sticks
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u/SekhWork Dec 18 '24
The flanderization of Thor truly is one of the worst things the MCU has done. He was so great and Taika just hit him with the Bathos bat over and over until people forgot that Thor used to have much more heart and serious aspects mixed in with some jokes...
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u/demair21 Dec 18 '24
Not taking it self seriously made Ragnarok way better then expected. The entire MCU following suit and never taking anything seriously was an unfortunate result.
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u/BZenMojo Captain America (Cap 2) Dec 18 '24
The MCU never took itself seriously, it was always designed around Indiana Jones/Star Wars style constant barbs and snark and injokes. I think we only notice the problem when the movie is distractingly bad or mediocre.
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u/MikeArrow Captain America Dec 18 '24
Very much so. Shakespearean, operatic Thor is so good.
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u/One-Armed-Krycek Dec 18 '24
I think we have Kenneth Branagh to thank for that, honestly. He was 100% the correct choice to direct the first film.
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u/Pootenheim910 Dec 19 '24
Thor 1 was peak Shakespearean soap opera in space armour, and that was the exact tone Thor should be.
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u/Sheuteras Dec 19 '24
It's funny because it wasn't even that hardcore shakespearean, he just had enough to be distinctly different in vibe.
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u/Alonest99 Daredevil Dec 20 '24
The way he spoke during the early films sounded like how the font he uses when he speaks in the comics looks. If that makes sense.
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u/justinotherpeterson Dec 18 '24
I miss Ragnorok Thor. In love and Thunder turned the silly scale up to 11.
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u/Wooden-Radish-9008 Dec 18 '24
That was the point of the movie...
Thor was dialing everything about "being a hero" up to 11, to a silly degree, because he wasn't doing it in earnest. He was going through the motions. It comes off as silly because he's trying too hard to fake it.
That's why his scenes with Jane, by comparrison are so not like that. Because he's being himself in those moments instead of playing up the "Thor" persona.
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u/IRideMoreThanYou Dec 18 '24
That’s great, but it was still awful writing and directing decisions. It could have been done while still being well written and providing character development as opposed to Thor being just short of an Asgardian version of dumb and dumber.
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u/2heads1shaft Dec 18 '24
It doesn’t matter what the point of the movie is…most people didn’t enjoy the silliness at 11 which is the point of the complaint.
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u/ImNotHighFunctioning Dec 18 '24
"The movie is bad on purpose!" is not the flex you think it is.
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u/OuterWildsVentures Dec 18 '24
The next one Thor is gonna say Skibidi Toilet Fortnite and rizz up some ladies
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u/Bubbly-Celery-2334 Dec 18 '24
Hemsworth is super funny (brilliant as Dementis), but also great when serious. I agree, maybe some of that Asgardian rage?
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u/ZeroSora Dec 18 '24
Well he's been hanging out with humans a lot, so he's picked up the way they talk.
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u/Stevenwave Dec 18 '24
What If?... Thor's Earth friends had been Rastafarian?
"You can call me, ah, Grandmaster."
"Ya man! That be a most bombastic moniker, jya?!"
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u/Puzzleheaded_Box7800 Dec 18 '24
Maybe that’s the real reason for the dreads in endgame
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Dec 18 '24
Alot? He is 2000years old and has been with humans on earth for about 30 years. That’s like 1 week to Thor.
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u/NothingReallyAndYou Phil Coulson Dec 18 '24
That's ignoring what actually happened during those years. Traumatic events are traumatic events, no matter how old you are. A lot of shit happened to Thor in a relatively short span of time, including his entire family dying, most of his friends dying, half the universe dying, etc.
First movie Thor was presented to us as being somewhat immature in his actions and attitudes. He's not a wise elder, despite his age.
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u/ZeroSora Dec 18 '24
So? People can still pick up habits. He still spent years with humans and he's picked up new habits. It's not that deep.
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u/Kira-Of-Terraria Dec 18 '24
i miss thor not being a fucking jokey doofus.
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u/Emm_withoutha_L-88 Dec 18 '24
Almost reminds me of Archer. The early seasons were great because he was still competent despite being a momma's boy alcoholic whore. But then eventually he becomes Flanderized and all that's left is the dumb idiot who everyone else has to struggle to deal with.
People like a bit of competence.
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u/Rimavelle Dec 18 '24
I miss when Thor felt unique, with his unusual customs and language and not "Tony Stark Jr language".
They made everyone into a jokester, so even Tony lost his own personality. If everyone is funny, no one is.
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u/kcox1980 Dec 18 '24
I’ll always be disappointed that we didn’t get to see Hemsworth drop the “ULTRON, WE WOULD HAVE WORDS WITH THEE” line from the comics
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u/coolcat430 Dec 18 '24
He was good but we got enough of him, it wouldn't make sense for him to still talk and act like this when he's hanging out around Earth so much, the development of his personality makes perfect sense and prevented the Shakespearean shtick from getting old
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u/Astro-Butt Dec 18 '24
5000 years of talking a certain way and you think that changes after a few years mingling with earth folk?
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u/rthrtylr Dec 18 '24
I’ve been British my whole life, but ten years in Ireland have definitely left a mark. My accent is still mostly English, but my turn of phrase? If you get on with people well, you start adopting their modes of speech pretty fast.
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u/coolcat430 Dec 18 '24
Well sure, it seems he lived with Jane for quite a while, I figure his way of speaking would reasonably adapt a fair bit. Not like it changes completely, either
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u/TonyMontana546 Dec 18 '24
That humour suited him perfectly. Taika turned him into a joke with no explanation. His transition was jarring from age of ultron to ragnarok
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u/Invurse5 Dec 18 '24
Taika Waititi destroyed this character.
I also can't stand his other movies, one trick pony.
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u/Stevenwave Dec 18 '24
Not particularly. Before Ragnarok, he'd had two Thor films, and two Avengers films. The first of both, Thor was okay, nothing fantastic. Some of the most memorable moments were lighter.
Then in TDW, eh, more of the same, overall unsatisfying. Thor wasn't the problem, but he also wasn't a strength. In all 3 appearances he'd been with Loki and was upstaged handily.
Then AoU and he was just kinda there, then over there, then here doing Thor stuff. But nothing great. The most memorable Thor stuff in that film is about his hammer more than him. How do you have Thor vs bots and not depict him lighting them up like fireworks a whole bunch? He was just another Avenger when really he should've been a make or break piece on the board. They gave that to Vision instead, but they should've had Vision and Thor team up to rip apart half the army.
Overall, Thor felt pretty aimless as a character by then. He was basically looking at his tea leaves, asking if his dream was as bad as he thinks it was.
Personally, Ragnarok was a huge breath of fresh air for him and his corner. I didn't care about his Earth friends. Making it a crazy space story was great. The big, dumb super Viking who doesn't understand our Earthly ways got old quick. Throwing him up against Hulk, wormholes, dragons, beings and creatures of mythology, spaceships and weirdo planets filled with bizarro aliens is far more interesting and entertaining.
Then he's arguably even better in IW. He isn't just around, he's a driver of the plot. He feels like a key piece on the board. He isn't as jokey and light, and turns his rage via grief to 11. Thor on a mission he was laser focused on, to his detriment or not, was cool to see.
Endgame does him in a quirky, although sad way under the surface. It's possible that LaT would've been better had we spent more time on him working his shit out. Okay, they ended up saving the day, but shit still went really badly. He lost friends. New and old. Whole fam's gone. Fuck's he do now?
A reflective Thor who's processed his grief to a degree, but still not all smiles, where he reconnects with Jane and thinks things are looking up. It'd be tragic to see him feeling like he has purpose and confidence again, just to have her yanked away by cancer.
All of that should've had so much more attention. What does he look like trying to care for her? We could've deep-dived into the Superman problem Thor's always had. Where he's this all powerful hero, but he can't Thor this fight. No fighting or punching or weapons will beat it.
They could've channeled his feelings regarding Thanos into it. He can't win when it is a fight, he can't win when it isn't either. So what good is he?
Have Gorr killing gods, and Thor knows he has to leave and stop him, but he doesn't even want to, he wants to just be Jane's partner, with her. Her ending where she chooses to fight and die for it is good tbh. But it could've hit so much harder.
I'm rambling. Overall I think 4 could've been a good opportunity to blend what's worked with him previously and explore the culmination of it all so far.
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u/Sheuteras Dec 19 '24
Thor being serious wasn't the issue of those movies tbh, they were just too restrained in every other way. Thor is amazing in a lot of other mediums even as a serious character, the distant rumble of thunder in a dark moment that brings hope to mankind. They didn't let him feel badass enough to go with the serious vibe and his stories ultimately weren't compelling plots.
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u/RenRen512 Dec 18 '24
Fully agree with your rambling. LaT felt like such a disappointment because it left so much on the table.
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u/Alternative-Toe-4289 Dec 18 '24
Yeah I missed him saying stuff like “This mortal form grows weak” and “it is unwise to be in my company right now, brother”
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u/Grey_Bush_502 Dec 18 '24
Yeah. The first Thor was great. From smashing the glass to looking for a horse to ride in a pet shop, his comedy was great and didn’t feel forced or goofy.
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u/rocketpack99 Dec 18 '24
I didn't like Thor at all in the first Thor movie and Avengers. I liked him a little more as a character in Dark World, even though the movie was weaker.
Ragnarok, Infinity War and Endgame are peak Thor for me.
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u/Mallum153 Dec 18 '24
I definitely miss that sort of Thor. He’s Marvel’s Wonder Woman, So his stories should be more serious. That they’re not anymore is tragic.😭😭😭
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u/SuperNerdDad Dec 18 '24
I do. I hate how they made him a himbo. It’s weird to go from dumb Thor in Ragnorok to Thor in Infinity War and Endgame. Those feel like two separate characters.
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u/VernBarty Dec 18 '24
Absolutley. Thor is a shell of what he used to be. Now he's a doofus that slips on banana peels.
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u/USSJaguar Dec 18 '24
I hate the people that called him boring.
The whole point of thor is he's constantly a fish out of water with mortals but he was HUMBLED, and so he's still larger than life but he talks to people and enjoys things that they do but he's for the most part dead serious when he does it, it doesn't feel like he's just doing a bit.
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u/TelephoneCertain5344 Tony Stark Dec 19 '24
I mean kind of I do think Whedon amped up the Shakespearean speak but I still did like it. I think Thor's two best appearances are Ragnarok and Infinity War and yeah that would have been cool if he spoke like that at times there.
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u/Skidmark666 Spider-Man Dec 18 '24
Yes, I miss the character how he was before Waititi made him a joke.
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u/Grootfan85 Dec 18 '24
Yeah. To me, how he was in Thor, and the Avengers movies, THAT’S Thor. He isn’t some goofball like in Ragnorok or Love & Thunder.
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u/N8CCRG Ghost Dec 18 '24
Nah. He was lacking in personality. Especially Avengers 1 and 2 Thor where Joss had no clue what to do with him and tried to hide him off as much as possible.
He's a thousands of years old alien, he needs to be weird and off from everyone else, and that's where he is now. And yet he also has far more humanity in him in Rag, Avengers 3 and 4 and L&T. He's actually an interesting character with feelings and personal challenges, not just a guy who punches hard.
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u/thatstupidthing Dec 18 '24
it's hemsworth's fault. the dude has fantastic comedic timing. someone saw that and thought "let's turn thor into a joke"
he pulled it off, but it's wrong for the character. especially when you consider that his whole infinity war/endgame arc was about dealing with loss and trauma, sandwiched between two goofy comedic adventure flicks
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u/Puzzleheaded_Box7800 Dec 18 '24
For whoever misunderstands this comment, use brain. He’s saying hemsworth is good at comedy which lead to filmmakers making the bad decision of going the complete comedy adventure route
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u/lazymanschair1701 Dec 18 '24
I liked the cadence of his accent in the first Thor, but I don’t mind that it’s changed, among the original Avengers, his character probably had the most growth and development, I like that his speech evolved with him
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u/Fares26597 Dec 18 '24
I really like both, the "classic" Thor for how different he is from the rest of the Avengers, and the comedic Thor for how laid back he is. However, I'd also like to see a Thor that is neither, something that feels more Norse, or at least more like the typical perception of Norse, because I can't pretend to know what true Norse is.
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u/SWPrequelFan81566 Dec 18 '24
if audiences find comic-accurate Thor boring, there's not much we can do tbh.
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u/STRlDUR Dec 18 '24
Blame earth. he became less like his old self the longer he was on earth and near people of earth
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u/Sumiren5r_7110 Dec 18 '24
It's interesting cuz even though Thor has changed through the ages and the way he talks, in s2 of What If with the 80s Avengers, THAT Thor actually does feel like his Thor 2011 self, with his seriousness and knowledge of the universe.
So they CAN still write Thor like this, it's just that his growth and status as a character in the present day blocks him from being like that. Hopefully the next time we see him they write him as his Ragnarok/IW self. Yeah he a bit silly and cracks jokes, but at the bottom line, he takes the threats seriously. In fact his comedy should only come from his not understanding/trying to say "human" slang, like how he was in the past and the What If episode.
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u/Stopher Peter Parker Dec 18 '24
I personally like the more gritty look after the first couple of movies. He looks more jacked.
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u/canzpl Dec 18 '24
after the infinity war ending i'm convinced that thor went through a mental breakdown and was never the same again. it broke his mind and he became incredibly childish to cope with the ongoing depression he suffers ever since then.
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u/GreyNoiseGaming Dec 18 '24
Thor through the movies is a perfect example of our (American) culture poisoning a tourist.
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u/pigeonwiggle Dec 18 '24
Nope!
i feel he still speaks the same. at least in Love and Thunder he does - it's hard to find Ragnarok quotes that don't sound like they could be said by anyone.
Love and Thunder:
"These hands were once used for battle. Now they're but humble tools for peace."
modern people don't speak like this - unless you're peter parker in a sam raimi film.
"Astrid, your father gave you a very tough Viking name and I intend to honor his wishes."
even the comedy lines still suit Thor's cadence and word-choice.
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u/Fenris963 Dec 18 '24
Very much, yes. I hate what the Waititi mobies did regarding this, yeah, Dark World sucked, but at least it didnt turn Thor into GoT (I love GoT, but did not need another)
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u/Statically Dec 18 '24
I will say this in any thread about Thor, but he is the most accurate representation of male depression I have ever seen in film.
Captain America lifting the hammer, Thor arriving in Wakanda, the portals opening…. These may be most people’s favourites, but for me him seeing his mother, full of disappointment in himself, overweight, drinking to ease the pain, and gaining a glimmer of positivity of worthiness with his mother’s down to earth affirmation, and then belief in himself through holding mjolnir again. It wasn’t ’I’m immediately fixed’ it was motivation for him to carry on, with the feeling of the world on his shoulders.
I don’t think anything has captured a moment of trying to escape depression better than that.
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u/GoblinPunch20xx Dec 18 '24
Actually kind of wish he code switched in and out of it, instead of full conversion to Ragnarok Thor
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u/El-jayyy Black Panther Dec 18 '24
I’m gonna be real, no not really. This Thor felt really bland and boring to me. He was a lot better in age of ultron though and even better in ragnarok up until love and thunder
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u/SlashManEXE Dec 18 '24
I have a lot more respect for the old MCU Thor in retrospect. So much so that I’m hearing Chris’ voice and speech pattern when I’m reading the old Lee and Kirby comics.
There was still plenty of humor in those days, but the difference is that it was never at Thor’s expense.
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u/MatttheBruinsfan Dec 18 '24
This was my favorite Thor. (Sorry, short-haired shirtless Thor from Ragnarok. You're still the hottest!)
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u/One_Hour_Poop Dec 18 '24
He's always had that funny streak ("Another!" "I need a horse!" "He's adopted." Plus smiling joyously for the selfie and the Hulk punch), it's just more on display now.
To answer your question, no. Classic Thor was boring.
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u/Logansrunt81 Dec 18 '24
I thought he was great in Ragnarok, but they went too far with the comedy in Love and Thunder. You need to be able to take the character seriously and believe he has some common sense to draw upon
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u/Salt-Currency3572 Dec 18 '24
Yes. Gone are the days when that poor mans arms didn't look like rotisserie chickens mounted on a bag of pissed off oranges
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u/AdditionalInitial727 Dec 18 '24
Infinity war is about where the character should be. Started off good but still a bit generic and forgettable. Too silly of course is a buzz kill show a misplaced warrior is about right.
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u/Caciulacdlac Bucky Dec 18 '24
He killed 80 people in two days