r/marvelstudios • u/steve32767 Daredevil • 19d ago

Discussion Thread Daredevil: Born Again S01E04 - Discussion Thread

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S01E04: Sic Semper Systema - - March 18th, 2025 55 min None

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u/willys_zuppa Weekly Wongers 19d ago

Red & Frank like a married couple

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u/roshmatic 19d ago

I love it every time he calls him Red.

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u/ju5tr3dd1t 19d ago

It really is like a third level of intimacy: Matt -> Daredevil -> Red

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u/Unicron_Gundam 19d ago

where does Electra calling him Matthew instead of Matt like everyone else does rank on the list

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u/siriuslycan Luis 19d ago

High, total dommy mommy energy hah

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u/No-Discussion4371 19d ago

Elektra and She-Hulk totally are ones who peg Matt out of all his love interests lol

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u/AlexArtsHere 18d ago

Uh yeah? The sky is blue??? Don’t know why you’re just stating really obvious facts here /j

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u/Howzieky Weekly Wongers 19d ago

If you remove "red" from "Daredevil", you get "Da evil", which is what Matt would be if he was a bad guy

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u/ehsteve23 19d ago edited 18d ago

So when hes wearing the yellow suit he’s Dayellowevil

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u/TroyAbedAnytime 19d ago

I was trying to count how many nicknames Frank gave him; red, counsellor 😂 anything to not say his name

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u/everix1992 19d ago

It was realllly satisfying hearing Matt get called Red again

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u/cygnus2 19d ago

I like how many people have different names for him. Stick calls him Matty, Elektra calls him Matthew, Frank calls him Red, etc.

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u/Wolf6120 Harold Meachum 18d ago edited 18d ago

I'm trying to decide if Fisk calls him "Mr. Murdock" or "The Devil of Hell's Kitchen" more often. Depends on what he's wearing at the time, I guess?

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u/cygnus2 18d ago

I can hear “Mr. Murdock” in his voice so clearly.

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u/really_nice_guy_ 18d ago

Their own pet name 🥰

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u/UncreativeTeam 19d ago

Matt is going to stick his foot up Powell's ass!

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u/Adthay 19d ago

It felt to me like an inverse therapy session. Instead of going to someone healthy for good advice on how to be better he went to someone unhealthy for bad advice on how to be worst.

Also anyone else thing Foggy's voice is what's keeping Matt from suiting up? Instead of the thing tempting him to do so as Frank suggests?

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u/JayMerlyn 19d ago

Instead of going to someone healthy for good advice on how to be better he went to someone unhealthy for bad advice on how to be worst.

Forgive me if I end up saying the same thing as you, but I thought of it more like different ways of owning up to the trauma. Instead of "Let's acknowledge it so we can get over it and move on to good things," it's "You're never getting over it, but you're not burying it either."

Also anyone else thing Foggy's voice is what's keeping Matt from suiting up?

That's 100% what's happening. The last words Foggy ever spoke to Matt were about not wanting him to have to suit up.

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u/Free-Reserve-1868 18d ago

I think it's more than just that, though. The way Matt dealt with bullseye in that first episode, I genuinely think at that point Matt didn't care if Dex could survive that fall, he just wanted to hurt and punish and if Dex died, he died. I think Matt felt himself get waaaaaaaaay too close to crossing the line, more so than he got with fisk in season 3 and was far too comfortable with it. I feel like that, plus Foggys' words and consistent opinion on daredevil have been holding him back.

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u/CaptainChickenBake 19d ago

Yeah, Foggy would not be advising him to put on the mask. In truth, he never did like Daredevil and only went along with it because Matt was actually doing good as a hero and could do things the system never could. But I think he ultimately wanted Matt to step away from it all one day.

The problem is Foggy's stance is only half the picture. The other half is what Hector Ayala said so succintly last episode about being a vigilante. About being a hero. Daredevil is not just a mask; it's an inextricable part of Matt. It's something Matthew can never walk away from because it will always be a part of him. That call to do good wrapped up in guilt and a firey rage to be unleashed as a hellstorm on all those who dare harm the innocent. It's why Matt put himself on the level of Frank and said that they can never sniff someone like Foggy. He knows deep down who he really is. Foggy could always reign in Matt and keep him from crossing the line, but he could never really stop him from being Daredevil. And the Punisher zeroes in on that fact, even if he goes about it with an unhealthy comparison.

On a side note, I'm loving the constant theme about how these characters cannot escape who their natures, even after all these years. Fisk can't help being the man of ill intent. And Matthew Murdock cannot help being Daredevil.

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u/zackgardner 18d ago

Inverse therapy is correct, it's thematically resonant because Fisk and Vanessa are ostensibly going to actual therapy, but Fisk is clearly spiraling back towards being the Kingpin while Matt, even though he spoke to a certified murderer to get permission to be Daredevil again, is "spiraling" back towards being a hero.

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u/dependsdion 19d ago

Meanwhile Fisk and Matt especially at that diner scene in episode 1 are like bitter exes lol

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u/DefNotUnderrated 18d ago

I love them. Their dynamic is the best. I’m pretty sure they’d take a bullet for the other but they kind of hate each other at the same time. Frenemies goals

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u/sheilakijawani_gone 19d ago

with them recreating the scene from Marriage story in this ep lol