r/marvelstudios • u/CamyReem • 1d ago
Discussion I hope they don't shy away from Wiccan's Agatha All Along origin Spoiler
After I recently re-read Young Avengers I watched Agatha all along again and realised how much complex and dark Billy's new origin story is. Cause he quite literally took over someone else's life unlike in the comics where he's born into the family from the very beginning.
Like this kid William died and his parents are still in the dark about it all. That's messed up and heartbreaking in so many ways. I hope it's a plot point that gets flashed out cause it has so much emotional weight for a great story. I hope they don't go the simple "Billy's soul merges with William's" and call it a day lol
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u/Ohiostatehack 22h ago
I really think Billy is an amalgamation of the two souls. Especially the way Rio talked about it.
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u/sicmundus23 Scarlet Witch 1d ago
I don’t know where they’re planning to continue Wiccan and Agatha’s story. It’s a weird route they’re taking with the new vision quest show..will vision have yet another family with other kids, what’s with Ultron being in there?
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u/jam11249 1d ago
In their defence, I was a huge wandavision fan and loved Agatha's character, but when they announced Agatha was getting her own spinoff I was one of the many people thinking it was going to be some poorly churned out series to pad the D+ library. Then they did... that. So I'm just gonna wait and see what they've got for us before jumping to any conclusions about weird choices or if Ultron is really necessary.
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1d ago edited 1d ago
I haven't read the Vision Quest comic arc but my limited understanding is that the MCU has already covered most of it: Vision has already died and been remade as White Vision. The main thing missing is Wonder Man refusing to allow his brain patterns be used to give Vision's personality back, but since Wonder Man's brain patterns were never the template for Vision's personality in the first place in the MCU, that part would be difficult. Wonder Man hasn't even been introduced yet.
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u/CamyReem 1d ago
I doubt the vision show will have anything to do with Billy and Agatha. Whatever they're doing in that show will deal with more tech than magic and witchcraft. So I think we'll see those two in some series between Doomsday and secret wars cause 2027-2028 currently has empty slates for Disney+ shows.
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u/MindfulNoob 23h ago
I think the two will definitely have cameos at least or small roles due to how AAA ended though.
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u/TelephoneCertain5344 Tony Stark 13h ago
Yeah it's really interesting. Especially since we are shown that Billy does love his new parents.
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u/MindfulNoob 23h ago
I'm still on the fence on if William is actually dead or not because of episode 7 tbh.
And if he IS actually dead, I'm going to be so disappointed if Billy never tells William's parents the truth and just steals a dead kids' body like that's just so messed up💀
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u/Fawqueue 22h ago
I hope they shy away from Wiccan altogether. Let's keep those Young Avengers where they belong: in the 3 for $1 bins at your local comic book shop.
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u/nihilisticdaydreams Steve Rogers 18h ago
I dint think you know how successful young avengers was
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u/Fawqueue 16h ago
I don't think you realize how much of a brief flash in the pan interest was. Go to any comic book shop today and ask for their Young Avengers section. Don't be surprised when it's incredibly limited and mostly in the discount bin.
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u/Les_Turbangs 1d ago
So bizarre. The term Wiccan describes a person who follows Wicca. Does the MCU also have characters named Mormon, Muslim, and Catholic?
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u/thecricketnerd Quake 23h ago
He's not even named Wiccan in the MCU yet, so this is an odd complaint. He's only been Billy so far
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u/Les_Turbangs 22h ago
Wasn’t complaining, just commenting but perhaps my question was also asked by Disney execs.
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u/thecricketnerd Quake 21h ago
I don't think anyone's going to question this at all, the word is more associated to the occult/witches rather than a religion
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u/UsernameFor2016 1d ago
After the superhero Civil War the church sponsored a superhero team known the The Called, who became the Utah team of the 50-State Initiative, made up of heroes of the Mormon faith. The Skrull Kill Krew and their Initiative allies killed the Skrull in their team before leaving to another state, while the Called stayed in Utah to handle the injured.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints_(Earth-616)
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1d ago
I think you've hit upon the underlying fact that Marvel doesn't take Wicca seriously as a religion. To them it's just a conveniently magicky-sounding word.
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u/itsnotbeefwellington 1d ago
Not sure if you heard about it but there’s a show called ‘Agatha All Along’ where they explore Billy’s origin.
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u/katbelleinthedark 1d ago
? Is this a joke answer? Because OP literally states they've watched it and refer to show!Billy's darker origin.
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u/seaman187 23h ago
Lol even if this person just read the title and nothing else... OP even mentioned AAA in the title. Not sure how this person could have missed it.
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u/Stevenwave 22h ago
This is a solid lesson. Before opening your mouth, open your eyes.
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u/itsnotbeefwellington 19h ago
The show already explored his backstory and was his setup for joining the MCU. They’ve already done it.
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u/nihilisticdaydreams Steve Rogers 18h ago
Yeah. OP is saying they hope future projects dint ignore what's in the show and redo his origin or make it less dark.
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u/pennygirl108 1d ago
I could see them going either way. I think the creator of AAA gave interviews saying the two boys have compatible souls and implying that William may not be gone and the current Billy is an amalgamation of both boys. Lilia also doesn’t give an answer in the tarot reading if he is William or Billy.
I see your argument is that makes Billy less interesting as it takes away his guilt for living William Kaplans life. You are not wrong on that front. However even if William is fully dead I don’t see Jeff and Rebecca rejecting Billy. They have still been raising him for 3 years and he is still their son. They may blame Wanda and her hex for killing their son but they won’t blame the scared lost child who fled to them for love and protection.
I see more an inward crisis on Billy’s part with the guilt and shame. I think that’s why pairing him with Agatha is so perfect. She has lived her own life with guilt and shame for her inborn powers and she is in a great position to help him learn from her experiences and provide emotional and mental support if and when Billy is struggling.