r/massachusetts • u/ShikamarusLeftNut • Mar 03 '25
News Salem MA
Saw this on my way back from work today
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u/MojoHighway Mar 03 '25
I support the innocent victims caught up in this horrible tragedy in both Israel and Gaza, remembering all that have lost their lives for absolutely no good fucking reason. Netanyahu, however, the entire government of Israel, and all of fucking Hamas can fucking pound sand together. I'm not here for that.
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u/whistlepig4life Mar 04 '25
This. I can support both sides of the innocent civilians who are being caught up in this.
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u/Maz2742 Central Mass Mar 04 '25
Based. This is basically my take on the war. Fuck the governments, justice for the innocent civilians
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u/radioflea Mar 04 '25
Exactly! It’s the innocent civilians who always end up paying the price. We’re 513 days into this war and nothing productive has been accomplished.
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u/Milk_n_hunny Mar 04 '25
Hard to keep the peace when Israel keeps bombing & occupying surrounding countries, cutting off supplies to Gaza. Kind of like one country is pulling off a genocide while the whole world watches 🧐
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Mar 04 '25
💯 the question I always ask is how many Palestinian babies are worth an Israeli life? They can use Oct 7th as justification but many many times more Palestinian infants/toddlers have died since the attack than in it. At what point are you gonna call it event, or do 2 million innocent people have to pay the price for a couple hundred terrorists.
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u/Boston_Glass Mar 05 '25
What you believe is a gotcha question is simply just a bad faith one.
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u/Fa-ern-height451 Mar 05 '25
And who started it???? Fucking peaceful people enjoying a concert and others enjoying a nice day with their families only to be slaughtered. I'm not even Jewish and I have enough sensible reasoning to know who started the genocide.
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u/Milk_n_hunny Mar 05 '25
For historical context; the Palestinian people have been bullied by Zionists long before the concert. It’s really sad most people cannot see that a genocide is happening before their eyes; and it is sad that a group of people are perpetuating the violence that was once committed against their people instead of condemning it. Zionists have become thirsty for Palestinian blood. When the oppressed go unchecked, they become the oppressor. Internalized oppression is a very real thing.
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u/hornwalker Mar 04 '25
Once again right wing religious governments ruin society for the rest of the people
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u/Delli-paper Mar 04 '25
Most Israelis, particularly young israelis, are pro-genocide. The way they see it, the Palestinians had a path to statehood in the 90s and they chose genocide over statehood.
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u/Comfortable-Scar4643 Mar 04 '25
Isn’t Hamas a product of Israeli occupation?
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u/Dear_Lengthiness_301 Mar 04 '25
That’s a big problem in our country. The average person doesn’t know the history of the Garza Strip. The history of Fatah & Hamas. Heck, I don’t REALLY KNOW the history myself, but I e done a little reading and have some understanding. But the average American doesn’t, and STILL…they are so passionate about taking a stand/picking a side.
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u/Delli-paper Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25
Hamas is the largesr element of the PLO formed as a rejection of the 1990s peace process and has been the elected majority government of Palestine since 2006. Elections have not been possible since due to Fatah's rejection of legitimate authority. Ba'athism failed, so islanism grows.
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u/Firecracker048 Mar 04 '25
No. They are a product of constant Islamic extremists constantly working to expunge jews from the Levant, starting with the Muslim Brotherhood(formed in Eygpt) and other famous people like Al Qassam
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u/ChasingPolitics Mar 04 '25
The way they see it, the Palestinians had a path to statehood in the 90s and they chose genocide over statehood.
By "chose genocide over statehood" do you mean lobbing rockets for 20 years before committing October 7? Because if that's the case I agree.
I do pray that Palestinians, particularly Gazans, will be ready to build their own state rather than tearing down others'. A two state solution is the only sustainable path forward but we need both parties at the table to be able to do it. Sadly Oct 7 did set things back in a terrible way.
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u/Ok_Ad_88 Mar 04 '25
Those 20 years of lobbing rockets pre October 7, and still Hamas inflicted a far lesser death count than Israel over that time. Pre Oct 7th Israel still occupied Palestine through violent apartheid. Many Hamas fighters see Israel as an occupying force, like nazis in occupied France. Ofcourse there will be violent resistance to violent occupation
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u/Firecracker048 Mar 04 '25
nflicted a far lesser death count than Israel over that time.
Yeah because one nation put money into systems to protect their civilians(iron dome), the other just ripped water infrastructure out of the ground to hurl at them.
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u/Ok_Ad_88 Mar 04 '25
Well one nation is a nation, the other is an occupied community governed by its enemy. Violent occupation results in violent resistance. If my enemy ruled over me in the lands of my ancestors, I’d die fighting as well. Horrible reality, but apartheid is not a peaceful prospect for either side, we need a two state solution and we needed it decades ago
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u/_Insane_1 Mar 05 '25
Gaza is not governed by Israel, Gaza is governed by a terrorist organization Hamas
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u/Firecracker048 Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25
Gaza wasn't occupied idiot. There was no reason for a "violent resistance". Shit if that's the case Israel has every reason to be violent sense they started coming back and we're met immediately with massacres on the Jewish population reinforcing the idea of a needed home for jews governed by jews
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u/underdog_exploits Mar 04 '25
Israel had 21 settlements in Gaza before finally dismantling them in 2005.
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u/ChasingPolitics Mar 04 '25
You're making their point for them.
What year is it again?
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u/underdog_exploits Mar 04 '25
Oh right, history only goes back 20 years…how dumb of me.
So by your thinking, 9/11 is an afterthought and no Americans think negatively about Islam because that was over 20 years ago.
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u/Diligent_Lifeguard81 Mar 04 '25
They had a path in the 90’s? After decades of occupation? Oh how they should become meek in the face of such onslaught to accept what the occupying power allows? So the British told the Irish and the Indians! Who are you to decide the fate of a people?
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u/Delli-paper Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25
Shouldn't have started several wars they couldn't win, simple as. As this war is showing, it appears they will get no country now.
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u/_Insane_1 Mar 05 '25
What's your source for that statement?
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u/Delli-paper Mar 05 '25
It was all over the place durong the genocide fearmongeromg.
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u/_Insane_1 Mar 05 '25
So.... No source just what you heard
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u/Delli-paper Mar 05 '25
I shall simply have to find it. It's been years. Here's a Pew survey that dances around it. 74% of Israelis do not believe in a Palestinian state, and 34 think the Gazans have not been treated roughly enough.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/
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u/_Insane_1 Mar 05 '25
Nowhere in that article does it state anything remotely like supporting genocide
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u/Mikey-Litoris Mar 04 '25
That would not be inaccurate. But not everybody on the Palestinian side signed on to the Hamas charter.
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u/katedevil Mar 04 '25
The only reasonable response is this. And to think that there are some folks so polarized in approach that they voted in a FASCIST to run the United States to help fix this (?????) will forever leave me speechless and lessened my hopes for humans as a viable species. Baby, meet bathwater and it's beyond the beyonds.
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u/JRiceCurious Mar 04 '25
Here, here!
All the people in the region deserve our support. To the leaders throwing those pople into the meat-grinder ... Sic semper tyrannis.
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u/gentle_grindstoner Mar 04 '25
Inb4: “BuT Do YoU CoDeMn HaMaS?”, as coined by Piers “FF” Morgan and all the other people bought off by AIPAC
All of what you said is true. After all, when the rich wage war, it’s the poor that die, and this is no exception
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u/inbloom1996 Mar 04 '25
Yes both sides of a single sided genocide are in fact bad, perpetrators and victims should definitely be held equally accountable. Makes sense.
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u/peteysweetusername Mar 03 '25
Israel ain’t gunna bring peace bro
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u/Homerpaintbucket Mar 03 '25
I'm sure they'll be peaceful after they complete their genocide
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u/Article_Used Mar 03 '25
i doubt it. they’ve occupied territory in syria recently, so
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u/Due-Cardiologist9985 Mar 04 '25
Just 40 more years of bombing and hamas is gone trust me
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u/Homerpaintbucket Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25
Judging from that AI video trump tweeted out it will be a lot less so they are probably planning an escalation.
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u/Disastrous-Bat7011 Mar 04 '25
I wonder what the religious nuts will say about the possibility of the good version of end times if Palestine somehow "wins"
Hamas sucks pretty bad but interesting what if situation.
Or if the Israelis "win" and nothing really changes. Other than the news cycle.
What will they use as an excuse to perpetuate the narrative?
No social media as a reference please, only educated opinions.
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u/peteysweetusername Mar 03 '25
Call me a sucker but peace is something we should strive for, if not just hope. Shit, if you can keep the peace for even a little bit it helps. War fucking sucks
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u/throwawayjonesIV Mar 03 '25
Apathy is not the answer. World peace is a hopeless ideal, but local peace is absolutely possible. War never stops, but individual wars always end eventually and it’s worth striving for peace
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u/YeaTired Mar 04 '25
A testing grounds for companies to use their surveillance/a.i. programs. If we don't organize and fight back against these psychos we'll have our own hyper surveillance here in the states.
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u/Malforus Mar 03 '25
What a useless "talk out both sides of our mouths" non-statement. I have been having to have remedial communication classes with coworkers over the sheer volume of both sides of an issue discussion.
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u/NastyUno34 Mar 04 '25
So if Israel were to completely withdraw all troops and declare peace, would Hamas stop attacking Israel? Would Hamas be amenable to a 2 state solution?
If not, and Israel was willing to pack up their entire country and go, where should they go?
It seems that no one in this thread has even bothered to address those questions…
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u/Maximum_Opinion_3094 Mar 06 '25
Insanely stupid leading questions. Zionists are never trying to have a discussion, just running shitty Hasbara like this.
If Hamas disbanded today, would Palestine be granted full autonomy without restrictions? Would israel take down the walls and checkpoints and allow full freedom of movement across gaza and the west bank?
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u/RobHazard 26d ago
Remember when Israel assassinated their only pro peace prime minister that was actually going to finish an agreeable by all parties 2 state solution? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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u/Shelby-Stylo Mar 05 '25
Hamas launched three Oct 7th attacks because the wanted to stay in the news and they got exactly what they wanted. Shame on anyone who supports terrorism.
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u/SmokeThursday Mar 04 '25
Recently bought The Hundred Years War on Palestine to learn about all of this.
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u/synerjay16 Mar 03 '25
“We support Israel”=“We’re okay with genocide”
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u/Annoying_Assassin Mar 03 '25
At least now it has red on its hands, just like Israel
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u/ChasingPolitics Mar 03 '25
And Egypt too right? Or?
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u/LionBig1760 [write your own] Mar 04 '25
Nope, we reserve condemnation for only one variety in the middle east.
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u/smokefrog2 Mar 04 '25
As a Jew, I'm not 100% sure, but don't Christians believe Jews all have to go back to Israel for the rapture to occur? I know evangelicals are really behind supporting Israel for that reason.
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u/RobHazard 26d ago
Yes, the death cultists need Israel to build the Third? temple and start the last war
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u/lucascorso21 Mar 03 '25
Is that a synagogue?
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u/Sig_Glockington Mar 04 '25
The sooner everyone realizes they want us at each other’s throats the better we’ll be. People are sheep on both sides.
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u/YikesOnManyManyBikes Mar 04 '25
Israel wants peace like a wife-beater wants a happy marriage.
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u/RichMenNthOfRichmond Mar 04 '25
They want to exist without their existence being threatened
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u/Past-Adhesiveness150 Mar 04 '25
I'm all for Israel having peace & living peacefully with neighbors. But I can't figure out why they keep moving into land that was agreed upon 50yrs ago, that wasn't theirs.
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u/Cost_Additional Mar 03 '25
Nothing better than bombing non combatants into submission. Oh and Hamas now has the same numbers they had before the start.
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u/goldman_sax Mar 03 '25
I saw a tweet or something that was like “if you’re at war with Hamas and you kill my innocent grandma. Congrats Hamas just got another member.”
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u/Firecracker048 Mar 04 '25
There's a reason it's a war crime to mix your military and civilian infrastructure. There's a reason it's a war crime to not have uniforms. There's a reason it's a war crime to hide amongst s civilian populace.
I wish more people understood this. Tons of yall just complety unapologetically supporting terrorist war crime tactics and lapping up propaganda.
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u/ChasingPolitics Mar 03 '25
Same goes for every Israeli who knew somebody who was killed, raped, displaced or taken hostage on October 7. Like, congrats, you just made it impossible for Israel to elect a TSS left-winger for a whole generation.
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u/ChasingPolitics Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 04 '25
Excuse me?
You deny that rapes happened on October 7. You should be ashamed.
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u/Firecracker048 Mar 04 '25
He's so wrong even with his sources and still has upvotes lol
Continue to show support to people celebrating dead bodies in the streets
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u/ChasingPolitics Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25
Bro even your own Al Jazeera source doesn't deny rapes having taken place. You're too far gone.
You deny that rapes happened on October 7. You should be ashamed.
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u/id0ntwantyourlife Mar 04 '25
Thisishamas.com
Saturday-October-seven.com
Check these out before you keep supporting actual jihadists terrorists. Get out of here with your fake Iranian propaganda bullshit trying to deny what hamas did.
Btw, it’s fucking hilarious a WoW player is telling someone else to go touch grass, maybe take your own advice?
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u/Ndlburner Mar 04 '25
And this kind of person you replied to makes it impossible for any Americans who had friends/family involved in 10/7 to form a left-of-center coalition with them. They like to say they draw the line at denial of atrocities while pedaling denial of some well documented ones. They also like to do everything to minimize how Jews were victims of the holocaust, and then claim that’s totally not antisemitism because “Jews aren’t the only Semitic people.” Congrats, to the commenter above you. They are the reason we can’t say “no leftists are like that!” when Fox News describes the left as a bunch of bigoted, racist-against-the-“right”-people, mentally disturbed, and violent communists. They’re a bigoted shitstain on progressivism.
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u/RainbowUnicorn0228 Mar 04 '25
It doesn't matter which side you pick because either way everyone loses.
Both should be allowed to peacefully exist.
Both are hell bent on destroying the other.
We should just stay out of it. There's no right side of history on this one.
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u/yourboibigsmoi808 Mar 04 '25
Be careful there buddy
Nuance and independent thought are not allowed on this subreddit
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u/blueCthulhuMask Mar 04 '25
But that comment isn't nuance. It's just ignorance.
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u/yourboibigsmoi808 Mar 04 '25
Right it’s ignorant to keep out of foreign affairs and to focus on American issues and politics. Got it. More bombs for Israel please! Those apartments buildings aren’t gonna level themselves!
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u/Stonner22 Mar 04 '25
Good. Israel is an ethnostate built on apartheid and genocide.
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u/former_mousecop Mar 05 '25
What is funny about this is that the defacing of the never had been going on for over a year. It used to be horizontal and lower down. Someone would vandalize it, then they would clean it. Sometimes they replaced it. Now they tried a new vertical banner higher up but the intrepid person will not be deterred.
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u/tjrileywisc Mar 03 '25
A forever war Trump supporters can fully support
with our tax dollars...
for decades now...
But Ukraine? Apparently not even allowed to use the stuff we bought decades ago so we could fight the Russians, so that they could use it to fight the Russians.
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u/Quirky_Butterfly_946 Mar 04 '25
After reading the comments, it is eye opening to see Salem, where I went to college, where I worked for a large part of my life, where I lived for a short period now consists of so many ignorant people riddled with propaganda. When so many people support terrorists in some twisted ideology I must weep at the current state of things
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u/0rder_66_survivor Mar 03 '25
so we got a bunch of Hamas supporters in this state, and they're all here on Reddit.
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u/beecraftr Mar 03 '25
It might be possible to be vehemently anti Hamas and yet also vehemently anti carpet bombing civilian population centers.
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u/TheLakeWitch Transplant to Greater Boston Mar 03 '25
That requires at least a crumb of nuance which too many people seem to be lacking these days.
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u/ChasingPolitics Mar 04 '25
It might be possible to be vehemently anti Hamas and yet also vehemently anti carpet bombing civilian population centers.
Demonstrating you don't know what carpet bombing is 🤔
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u/beecraftr Mar 04 '25
Ok pedant. Would indiscriminate wanton missile fire have been more to your liking? Point should have been apparent.
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u/ChasingPolitics Mar 04 '25
Would indiscriminate wanton missile
It's closer, but I still disagree because there is no evidence that missiles were ever fired indiscriminately. There's a reason why it's against international law to colócate your military with civilian infrastructure like Hamas does.
The problem is when you abuse words like carpet bombing or indiscriminant you destroy their meaning when the day comes that a nation actually start doing that to another again.
You can call me a pedant, but words really do matter.
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u/throwaway_20200920 Mar 03 '25
Blocking humanitarian access to Gaza is pretty brutal too. We can decry the terrorists (on both sides) and still be against what is happening to the innocent in Gaza.
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u/Transmatrix Salem Mar 03 '25
It’s clearly news to you, but being against the actions of Israel is not an endorsement of Hamas.
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u/Equal_Audience_3415 Mar 04 '25
Israel is just like Russia,they want the land. 😑
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u/LionBig1760 [write your own] Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
Israel unilaterally pulled out of Gaza and forcefully removed any Israeli citizens in 2004.
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u/Transmatrix Salem Mar 03 '25
Did it happen again, or have they just not cleaned it?