What would you pop for a first time "experimental" out door grow? I have an indoor grow on lock with high quality genetics, but new laws mean I can toss my old seeds and freebies that I accumulated over years into my outdoor garden for fun.
FYI, not insulting these brands except ilgm (fuck ilgm), just already grew them (mostly) and do not want them taking space in my RWDC tent.
Leaning towards nasc white label Oreoz, bros grimm rosetta stoned, and the blimburn hellfire og. Thoughts?
dude he always hooks it up , awesome guy & there’s not a single doubt wether or not he’s got all verified legit cuts where the industry is littered with fakes
The original breeder of Grimm left after Mr Soul screwed him over. Mr Soul then restarted the company after some years. Mr Soul had to reach out to other breeders to learn how to breed, as he was just the marketing arm. Who knows if the original genetics remained
They most likely have a good c99 clone somewhere considering what they're releasing but even then, most if not all of their genetics are "hype cut x c99", nothing to show a real breeding work
They most likely had c99 seeds that they pheno hunted for selection to continue the line, but that's just my guess. Very true that they are pretty much pollen chucking currently.
I've run a GlueyStone tester, and I kept the clone. Running another pheno now to see if it's better/worse. Definitely worth a try at the tester prices, especially if you choose less of a hype strain
Basically this is saying a guy involved in the cannabis breeding industry since 1996 or something was a complete idiot and had to be taught everything in 2016 from a group he was associated with and now owns his own company for 8’years is such a fraud? Idk man. Sounds like a big opinion
What do you want? You asked what my proof was, I said it came straight from Riot, and then gave you the podcast which it came straight from his mouth. You can also find the episode on YouTube and watch him say it. It's not the first time he's told the story
I'm as much of a 🫘 snob as anyone but Brothers Grimm is solid. People like to hate on Mr Soul but he charges super reasonable prices (especially for his testers) and I respect him for that. I've run several of them and the results were pretty good. Are there better options out there? Absolutely. But considering OP has already purchased these seeds there's no reason not to at least grow those ones out, especially considering it's for a first time outdoor run.
I’m not sure I’m a seed snob. I’ve only tried brothersgrimm (have no been disappointed); ground up genes (currently are cooking now they grew nice but haven’t smoked); got some katsu seeds, and some from agseeds. Those are for my next grow.
I agree I actually ran the Ricky's Hashplant and it is such a sick and solid plant. My first bean was a resin whore I was pressing 1 g of a beautiful light rosin out of 3 gs of flower not mention I hate sativas but his headband 99 xx was a beast pressing some super strong rosin and beautiful buds this is a Pic of the headband 99xx
I’m waiting to see what these guy say as well because I haven’t received anything except quality from brothergrimms and he seeds grow massive ass fucking nugs. His tester seeds even put out some work. I don’t know shit about the other two tho.
Truth is it's really not that hard to create a good F2. Do some selection on two proven genetics and breed them. For me Barney's has been great and consistent.
The biggest con I can think of really is that there's just a lack of anything special or isolated genetics that interests me.
It's just gonna be a lot of nothing in these packs.
The one pack I might find interesting is the Grimm Jack cross, but even then, I'm just not crazy over jack herer to begin with.
When I look at genetics I might want, I look generally at what that breeder is primarily working with and what he's trying to capture in the project.
People who take two plants and cross them because they seem cool is just like mixing random paint together, hoping you'll get something, but all in all, the paint just comes out brown... and so you end up with just muddy genetics that are just like a stray dog. It's weed, I guess... but that's all it is.
Where as a person mixing like Yellow & Blue, working on a Green, he's going to say add more Yellow or Add blue and try to enhance his final color.. or if he adds something else it's for a purpose.
It's not just random mixing.
And this is accomplished when people actually breed. They know what their plants can add when crossed, they know what makes good hybrids, they don't make random selections, they make intelligent ones based on expected outcomes.
Take Fletch over at Archive, and take say Rainbowbelts, this was a project he wanted to isolate z terps and start taking these z terps in different directions, some to add yield, others to be washers, others for flower. And when he would cross in other things or begin a planet purple line for example, it was with specific intent to what he was trying to do. Then he would pick something and cross out to say Albert Walker or some other older keepers to see what it would do or give people something to hunt through, but his line work was always intentional.
So you want to look for breeders that like working with things you like, and research what you might be getting in that cross. Try to talk to the breeder maybe about where he was trying to go with that cross or what phenos the breeder saw that you can expect.
So many times we all just buy something for a name or colorful packaging and we don't even know what we are looking for... we're just popping seeds.
And let's say you don't actually get a lot of info or maybe your not able to get a good genetic selection, I would grow something out, cross it to whatever else I can get, grow those seeds as an F1 and make a female selection that I like... and I would open it up in an F2 and start isolating characteristics.
At some point we lose genetics as a community if we don't make more informed genetic decisions, and the commercial aspect takes over.
I'm not into White Widow at all, I personally don't think it's that good... that line work doesn't do it for me personally so Rosetta doesn't interest me.
And not into the Grimm Glue, I like gg#4 when it comes to glues, Grimm Glue isn't an improvement imo on gg.. so taking that back into to c99 line, it's not something I care to hunt through..
And I question that a lot of this stuff was lost, the original 99, I think it's marketing off of old hype and I don't think there's going be anything that interests me in those packs.
I'd be more interested in seeing if there's anything in Rickeys Hashplant but again I wouldn't expect a banger there I'd be looking at making seeds with it hunting those and doing a selection and maybe some line work.
Everyone's going to have different things they want.
Yeah 100% this. Don’t even know most of the sources except Barney’s farm , so it is most likely not worth months of effort without getting some credibility by people I know and trust.
Hell yeah. I love mine too. I have like 3lbs sitting untrimmed in grove bags. Mine smells nothing like gas, nothing like citrus, more like an old headshop/incense.
Rosetta Stoned for sure. Rosetta Stone is an awesome strain and the sound of Rosetta Stone x Rosetta Stone is nice. Bought a pack myself, just haven’t popped em yet.
I have practically no experience with those breeders, I only tried Barney's among them, I never did those genetics in particular, I remember that the kush mintz was quite good, nothing special, indoor it grow quite well, I also had one outdoors that for some strange reason always had a stunted growth and took a long time to flower.... personally I like growing outdoor and I would prefer to use different breeders, but anyway Barney's is not that bad even if there are better..
Most of these purchases are because I did not understand the market. I probably spent 300 bucks at ILGM before I even knew what a white label seed was. Keep in mind some of these seeds I received almost 5 years ago.
As of now, I purchase based on breeders. Then within breeders I choose what flavors I want. Last purchase was Lil' Red Riding Hood from CSI Humboldt, so I have come a long way from those ILGM days.
Those things matter for sure, but I try and “buy” the breeder first, and everything else follows. There’s a lot of strange stuff going on in our world and I like to be sure I’m buying from a breeder that everyone trusts. We see lots of shady stuff going on nowadays.
Mimosa EVO.. she was a great grow, Heavy producer with great structure that flowered quickly. (Amber Trichomes in 7 weeks).
Terps were a great citrus/ orange finish with an energetic high. Can’t recommend it enough..
There used to be a seed company called Rocky Mountain Seed Company. They had a ghost train haze strain. This was by far the best strain I’ve grown in 12 years. But I can’t find them anymore. So try that and the lemon drizzle.
If anyone knows what happened to Rocky Mountain seeds please let me know.
I did a whole Bros Grimm tent. Uberwensch was the clear winner. I have about 6 1/2 lb grove bags sitting in a tote of it still. Vijackra was a bit of a runt. It smelled exactly like crushed black pepper, so Caryophyllene or whatever.
That was the only one I grew from the palindrome pack. I still have a couple 1/2 lb grove bags of it sitting around. Really nice. Even though it was white label it was a good plant. Creamy lime flavors. No more seeds tho!
I think you mean the ILGM ones. If you do not know, consider yourself fortunate. They are Skywalker OG (grew it and it was great), Bruce Banner, Black White Widow, and MK Ultra. Ofc none of those are the actual genetics, just names ILGM threw on to packs to deceive novices (like I was years ago) into buying them.
Thank you for the reply. My uncle gave me some seeds in those exact bags, but he said one was cherry pie and one was Northern lights but he had no idea who the breeder was and couldn’t remember where he got them from. Maybe I can track them down now on their website to see if I can find a match to what I have. Definitely shouldn’t expect anything reliable though?
Based on mine, I would guess OKC is an acronym for one strain (no idea), and NTH is another acronym for another strain. Maybe Northern Lights? No idea.
Again, these are not legit cuts of legendary strains just their version of a plant slapped with the tag on it. Does not mean it is gonna be a garbage plant, it does mean you are not getting what they claim to be selling.
You’re like the first person to say that you could still get fire from ILGM. I commend you, sure their genetics are inaccurate but breeding cannabis is probably one of the easiest biological experiments; and crossing one tasty strain with another potent one should yield good or great results.
Selective breeding is another story, and that is what these other breeders take the time to do more of.
Smoked the Lemon Drizzle in Amsterdam at Barneys, this was amazing. Sweet lemon scent, not like Lemon haze with great visual effects. After a whole day of smoking different strains, this was where I thought I finally had enough.
Idk why anyone would say you’re wasting your time with these. I grew from two breeders last year and was more blown away by the breeder people are showing disregard for. I tried Barney’s farm and Humboldt seed company last year and the Barney’s had better bud structure and effect. I would drop one of those pineapple chunks in the soil because I’ve heard great things about its outdoor potential.
Environment could have been the cause of my results as I don’t live in cali but in a place more like where Barney’s is from. Cali breeders breed for Cali-like places. They are getting these banging results but if they were breeding seeds in your backyard their product line would be totally different. We don’t all live in a Cali-like place (Mediterranean type?).
I know people hate on these companies and I honestly don’t buy from them anymore myself, but Barney’s Pineapple Chunk is the shit. Always loved that strain. It just works for me. Don’t listen to the haters. Happy growing.
I ran the auto version of hellfire og from blimburn 100% recommend it one of my first grows and honestly one of my favorite strains the limonene adds a lot the effects!!!!!
I grew the 3 listed above from Barneys Farm, and dosidos33. Dsd33 was one of my favorite plants I have ever grown. None of the other ones were even close to as good. Pineapple chunk was just fine. Lemon drizzle I froze for fresh frozen and it may have actually produced negative returns. Only popped 2 evo so far 1 didn't germ 1 was a runt but I grew it fully and regretted it.
I don't recommend Barney's Seeds however, five years ago, I grew a some Pineapple Chunk. Sweet, crystally nugs that had hints of purple throughout. My outdoor one got destroyed with budrot however. Whatever one peaks your interest! You have many options to choose from, haha
Oh not at all! You just might not get as advertised, germination rates iffy, etc. My plants all got budrot that year due to the weather, regardless of the genetics.
it’s very subjective. my advice is grow what you want to grow. someone’s “best ever” is not necessarily yours. these are all different cultivars. it’s like asking “which ice cream flavor should i eat”…. i never know how to answer these types of posts because what i like is not what you like and you should grow what you like instead of what’s popular.
I dont feel bad wasting all that money in the beginning of my journey now. I see I could’ve crashed out alot worst.
I get the excitement and all that but further down the line you will see real fire vs this better than the last grow. And once you do the amount of money wasted will really dawn and you will clone the f out the keeper fire.
I definitely made a couple questionable purchases, but I learned a ton from those grows, so I do not consider it "crashing out" at all.
Also, not on the hype train. I am not even connected enough to the scene to know what the hype train is. I just like trying new flavors. But if you want to sit on the same mother with the same flavors for 10 years, go live your life.
with soooooo many hybrids and crosses with no stabilization it's hard to find truly gifted genetics. It's really a crap shoot. Most packs will contain multiple phenos.
Some of the best I've popped...
White fire
Alien Abduction
Grateful breath
Jenny kush
I'm no longer a consumer (for some years now), but growing outside (Central MA) helps me cope with my job, which is somewhere between constant stress and ongoing low-grade trauma. Takes my brain out of work. That said, some of the healthiest, mold free to the end plants I've grown came from BF: LSD, Gelato 45, Blue Gelato 41, and maybe most of all, Strawberry Lemonade. I get excited when things unexpectedly fall into my lap eg got some Goat and Monkey Seeds (RIP Matt D) triangle poison and a few others one year, another local one called Gaia's Fyah (purple pug X GSC) so beautiful... I really would prefer not to grow BF seeds... that said,
I will even say that in general, they outperform the same treatment I've given Twenty20 Mendocino (Hot Mess, Snowcaine, SoFnG, etc.) However much I wish that wasn't the result, it was what it was. 2022 Gelato 45 was stupid beautiful, true to what it should have been, taken October 19th on the cusp of frost, not a touch of bud rot.
I'll go on to say that I desperately do not want to grow BF but the response from those who end up on the receiving end of what I harvest, dry, and cure, want more Strawberry Lemonade. It's like it's become a commission project almost. And I'm like, awww man, no... idk. I don't want to grow what seems to be considered the Walmart of seed production, but I can't deny the fact that what I've grown in the past from them actually performed. For whatever that's worth...
Personally imo not the greatest genetics but brothers Grimm if i had to pick. I agree with @blueridgeorganics on the breeders. Check out cannarado, in house, ethos, exotic genetics, solfire, and sin city are all decent.
This is the worst pick up ive ever seen. This is the im broke or too scared to spend any money on quality seed and just wanted a bunch of crappy freebies..
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u/No-Lab-7364 1d ago
... I don't think I'd pop any of these honestly