They scared you with "Socialism" while American Capitalism robbed you blind.
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u/myrichphitzwell 1d ago
Don't mention Trump has talked about taking away guns and classifying anyone they want as mentally unable to have guns
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u/Mission_Blackberry_7 1d ago
It is not capitalism itself it is people who are on top and are screwing populace while hoarding capital. It is in human nature. Even in Soviet regime there people who had more than the others : Members of Communist party.
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u/Boing82BH 1d ago
What?…did someone just take my savings ,job,freedom etc.? You should go to Venezuela,Cuba,China etc…🤷🏼
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u/No_Elk_4021 1d ago
Once again show me One Country where socialism has been successful and its people are as free and or better off than the US is.
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u/MizterPoopie 1d ago
I can’t think of a country that’s ever actually been socialist.
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u/No_Elk_4021 1d ago
East Germany, Bulgaria, Hungary, Maoist China, Chavez-Maduro’s Venezuela are a few examples and it failed in each one.
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u/MizterPoopie 1d ago
Failed states for sure. Was it the idea of socialism that failed or that dictators took ruined them?
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u/Competitive-Sand4470 1d ago
Republicans definition of fascism is anything that takes away their guns. That's literally all they care about. The whole world could be burning and collapsing around them and that's all they care about. Because in their mind, it's always them vs the world. So they don't care if they loose everything else, as long as they go to their graves with their guns.
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u/Ok_Indication_2892 1d ago
Don't worry, they'll be taking the guns soon too, now that CEOs are getting shot
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u/GoldenDoodle-4970 1d ago
That wasn’t capitalism. That was all Trump. Free market capitalism and global trade was dismantled by Trump. Trump robbed you blind.
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u/Sleep_tek 1d ago
This isn't really capitalism... It's croney capitalism, which is what gives capitalism a bad name. If we kept money out of politics and also enforced anti-monopoly rules for media , don't allow corporations to be treated like people, capitalism wouldn't be the shit show it is right now.
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u/izinger 1d ago
We haven't had truly free markets in the US since the turn of the 20th century. At least since the Wilson admin we've had a highly managed market economy where the government picks winners and losers. It's a corrupted kind of capitalism. Exporting jobs overseas is unforgivable and both American parties supported this wholeheartedly.
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u/CatholicConcentrate 1d ago
And a Socialist system would shoot me and murder my priest in the night. Whoop-die-do. You’re not my ally. The red slug of socialism is my mortal enemy.
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u/Iamnobodiesreddit 1d ago
I thought Harris would win because the other ones was ran on hate. I thought surely other people can see this hate and won’t vote for it. Boy was I wrong.
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u/mondayaccguy 1d ago
Three times in a row roughly half of American voters chose Trump...
They saw who he was before the first vote and they saw he did 2016-2020..
Yet they kept voting for him...
Racism, greed, religion.... The primary reasons people vote for Trump
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u/ConsistentBand565 1d ago
Not capitalism...it was congress and past presidents enriching themselves by selling out America.
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u/Jmsjss2912 1d ago
Let’s talk about the tariffs and the effects it has on the manufacturers of this country. Assume for a minute that you wanted to bring back some manufacturing to the USA, which of course is a huge assumption compared to manufacturing outside the country like we do as a company. Which I will get to in just a moment. This week alone the stock market lost over US$9 trillion which means every single manufacturer that has a US corporation is part of that loss. Which goes to show you that Trump‘s logic is about as efficient as his spray tan. If these companies even had a thought of coming back to the United States, all of their cash has now evaporated because of the loss in the stock market so who’s going to finance these new manufacturing plants that Trump keeps talking about, that are going to come back here make the economy great? Now goods have gone up in price in some cases doubled already this week which means the consumers are going to be buying less. Companies are going to begin layoffs, because they’ve lost a huge portion of their cash reserves. Their businesses are going to be diminished some because of the lower purchasing rate and the higher pricing. Bringing manufacturing back to the United States at this point with this approach has been almost completely eliminated. All you have to do is go back and look at what happened during the depression when they tried to institute tariffs causing the depression to take even a further nose dive and adding years into the depressive point. It’s such a joke that they used it in the movie Ferris Bueller‘s Day off where the teacher was talking about how bad tariffs are and how they caused the depression to go down, which goes to show you that if they use it as a punchline, then it obviously cannot work. With our business, we were building some manufacturing plants in the United States and now have had to put it on hold because of the tariffs. As an example, each of our production lines has a manufacturing cost of a little under US$5 million, we did try to price it in the United States but we found quotes anywhere from $12-$16 million for the same exact production line that we are having made in China. So we couldn’t make the equipment in the United States, but we were going to import it and set up manufacturing plants. One of them was in Arkansas where the state is somewhat depressed. Now we have put that project on hold with approximately 1800 people we were going to hire. The reason for that is not just the tariffs, from the equipment if you think about it a piece of equipment that cost me $5 million is now going to cost me about $9 million. Each production line generates about US$35 million of revenue so it’s not just a tariff in my situation it’s the fact that for $9 million I can have practically two production lines generating $70 million of income compared to the same $9 million generating $35 million worth of income, with a much lower profit margin because of the labor cost in the United States along with all the taxes and liability issues that you carry because of the litigious nature of the United States operating. So tariffs do not work, they hurt the economy. The only thing that they do on the surface is generate more tax dollars for the US government, but they diminish and wipe out the middle and lower class. Do you want to bring manufacturing back to the United States? You’ve got to do something about all of the litigious actions, you have to lower healthcare cost, lower pharmaceutical cost, have to educate more so that children can grow up and learn trades. You have to find ways to lower the cost of living and once you start doing that then laboring jobs will become available again. The next problem is the taxation situation is off-balance. We have structured our tax code so that the wealthy and the publicly traded companies that offer stock options instead of salaries, which is taxable make it almost impossible to collect tax. Take Musk for an example from Tesla. They talk about his $300 billion worth but it’s all in stock and that’s unrealized gains paying no taxes. What he does is he goes to the bank and he borrows money against that stock portfolio, borrowed money is non-taxable income and then he uses that money to live and buy things like he bought Twitter for $44 billion with borrowed money, no taxes paid at all. And then what he does from there to pay off those loans is he borrows against other portfolios and he just keeps borrowing deferring the taxes. $300 billion and no taxes paid whereas the employees that work for all those companies have taxes taken out of each paycheck. Just look salaries up of the top executives around the country and you look at their income, you’ll see that their salaries are generally between one hundred and two hundred thousand US dollars but they earned anywhere from ten to a hundred million dollars a year all in stock options and then they keep those options in stock and then borrow against them so their tax base is almost nothing. you want to fix the economy. You have to find a way to tax the rich, you’re not going to make them poor, you’re just going to make them help to strengthen the economy.
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u/cheaphysterics 22h ago
Your points are reasonable. Try paragraphs so people can actually read them.
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u/Jmsjss2912 22h ago
Let’s talk about the tariffs and the effects it has on the manufacturers of this country.
Assume for a minute that you wanted to bring back some manufacturing to the USA, which of course is a huge assumption compared to manufacturing outside the country like we do as a company.
Which I will get to in just a moment. This week alone the stock market lost over US$9 trillion which means every single manufacturer that has a US corporation is part of that loss. Which goes to show you that Trump‘s logic is about as efficient as his spray tan.
If these companies even had a thought of coming back to the United States, all of their cash has now evaporated because of the loss in the stock market so who’s going to finance these new manufacturing plants that Trump keeps talking about, that are going to come back here make the economy great?
Now goods have gone up in price in some cases doubled already this week which means the consumers are going to be buying less. Companies are going to begin layoffs, because they’ve lost a huge portion of their cash reserves. Their businesses are going to be diminished some because of the lower purchasing rate and the higher pricing.
Bringing manufacturing back to the United States at this point with this approach has been almost completely eliminated.
All you have to do is go back and look at what happened during the depression when they tried to institute tariffs causing the depression to take even a further nose dive and adding years into the depressive point. It’s such a joke that they used it in the movie Ferris Bueller‘s Day off where the teacher was talking about how bad tariffs are and how they caused the depression to go down, which goes to show you that if they use it as a punchline, then it obviously cannot work.
With our business, we were building some manufacturing plants in the United States and now have had to put it on hold because of the tariffs. As an example, each of our production lines has a manufacturing cost of a little under US$5 million, we did try to price it in the United States but we found quotes anywhere from $12-$16 million for the same exact production line that we are having made in China. So we couldn’t make the equipment in the United States, but we were going to import it and set up manufacturing plants.
One of them was in Arkansas where the state is somewhat depressed. Now we have put that project on hold with approximately 1800 people we were going to hire.
The reason for that is not just the tariffs, from the equipment if you think about it a piece of equipment that cost me $5 million is now going to cost me about $9 million. Each production line generates about US$35 million of revenue so it’s not just a tariff in my situation it’s the fact that for $9 million I can have practically two production lines generating $70 million of income compared to the same $9 million generating $35 million worth of income, with a much lower profit margin because of the labor cost in the United States along with all the taxes and liability issues that you carry because of the litigious nature of the United States operating.
So tariffs do not work, they hurt the economy. The only thing that they do on the surface is generate more tax dollars for the US government, but they diminish and wipe out the middle and lower class.
Do you want to bring manufacturing back to the United States?
You’ve got to do something about all of the litigious actions, you have to lower healthcare cost, lower pharmaceutical cost, have to educate more so that children can grow up and learn trades.
You have to find ways to lower the cost of living and once you start doing that then laboring jobs will become available again.
The next problem is the taxation situation is off-balance. We have structured our tax code so that the wealthy and the publicly traded companies that offer stock options instead of salaries, which is taxable make it almost impossible to collect tax.
Take Musk for an example from Tesla.
They talk about his $300 billion worth but it’s all in stock and that’s unrealized gains paying no taxes. What he does is he goes to the bank and he borrows money against that stock portfolio, borrowed money is non-taxable income and then he uses that money to live and buy things like he bought Twitter for $44 billion with borrowed money, no taxes paid at all.
And then what he does from there to pay off those loans is he borrows against other portfolios and he just keeps borrowing deferring the taxes.
$300 billion and no taxes paid whereas the employees that work for all those companies have taxes taken out of each paycheck.
Just look salaries up of the top executives around the country and you look at their income, you’ll see that their salaries are generally between one hundred and two hundred thousand US dollars but they earned anywhere from ten to a hundred million dollars a year all in stock options and then they keep those options in stock and then borrow against them so their tax base is almost nothing.
you want to fix the economy. You have to find a way to tax the rich, you’re not going to make them poor, you’re just going to make them help to strengthen the economy.
I almost forgot, tariffs funds go directly to the administration for spending (trump and his team), whereas taxes go through congress for spending.
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u/Alarmed-Run4873 1d ago
Tariffs will bring the jobs back from overseas, so is this a pro-Trump post? It seems like it, racist and hateful sounds like the left to me.
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u/Exact-Pound-6993 1d ago
good news, guns are worth more now because of the racism, xenophobia, and hate. If you are strap for cash, sell sell sell!
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u/Sillylovesongs2 1d ago
People are too stupid to know the difference today. 54% of Americans read below a 6th grade level. We can't count on that population to make intelligent decisions.
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u/IGetGuys4URMom 1d ago
I've seen the propaganda movie Red Nightmare, so I already know what Americans were taught to fear about Soviet communism, happened under American capitalism.
Oh hell, now I realize that the museum scene full of misinformation exhibits has happened in America with the removal of women and non-whites from American history.
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u/DependentEuphoric1 1d ago
Good luck getting more than a few people out of their parents' basement, off the xbox to come out and play like a grown-up!
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u/CaregiverNo6085 1d ago
Bill Clinton sent our jobs overseas. Look up NAFTA and try to educate yourself instead of making up lies because you’re feelings hurt
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u/PreparationSecret684 1d ago
After years of Democrats enriching themselves with public money, while jobs and wealth leave the country, they cry capitalism? Socialism has failed every time it was tried. Capitalism has made nations successful and raised the standard of living. When Democrats, who embrace socialism, point at Republicans and scream NAZI, remember NAZI stands for Nationalist Socialist Workers Party. It is right there in the revolutionary teaching to accuse the opposition of what you are guilty of.
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u/david-lynchs-hair 21h ago
The American capitalist class WROTE THE BOOK on shipping jobs overseas for higher profits it’s an inherent component of capitalism. A feature not a bug.
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u/PreparationSecret684 20h ago
Not capitalists, globalists. Original capitalists were business owners seeking to grow their companies by selling shares in their companies. This has been co-opted by international corporations and organizations that seek world domination. Don't confuse capitalism with those who have been behind the scenes starting wars, collapsing economies, and engaging in genocide for generations. All those jobs that were exported did not benefit Americans, but did benefit those global organizations.
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u/david-lynchs-hair 18h ago
No you don’t get to put a false divide between good and bad capitalists. Globalism is an inherent feature of capitalism as it expands into new markets. If one company doesn’t create a comparative advantage by offshoring, another will. You simply cannot make products cheaper in 2025 America because our labor is more expensive.
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u/PreparationSecret684 18h ago
You are quite backward in your thinking. Modern manufacturing uses robots and AI. Skilled workers are needed to operate and maintain these systems. Cost per unit is low, and quality is high. This is far better than slave labor in countries that pollute and dump garbage into oceans.
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u/david-lynchs-hair 16h ago
That’s a nice blanket normative statement to wrap up an overly simplistic worldview. WHO do you think owns and deliberately profits those operations? And they’ll be magically replaced with automation and cheaper in the US? HA
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u/PreparationSecret684 16h ago
Normative? Wow, the big words... How about addressing the comment?
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u/david-lynchs-hair 16h ago
Yeah that’s Spanish for your speaking opinions out of your ass. The same people who profit off of exploitative labor overseas are not going to provide you with a nice factory job. Sorry buddy.
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u/PreparationSecret684 15h ago
Why are woke liberals always rude while hating America? Also, why the reference to Spanish? Do you feel superior to Spanish speakers? Hablo Espanol y sprechen Deutsch, auch.
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u/ValentinaSauce1337 1d ago
PROTIP: Either of them can steal things from you, which one is more comfortable till it happens?
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u/PreOwned_blessings 1d ago
Socialism helped Venezuela so it can help us ! Oh wait never mind . The people starved and doctors walked away from their jobs and the country filed bankruptcy . Maybe we need a kind and nice dictatorship! Oh wait capitalism has kept us going for years except for the ones with welfare feet . Never mind
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u/GunnersFan1967 23h ago
Wow, that’s my biography in one sentence (except the last part).
I’m 58 and have seen all of this happen to me. Luckily I was raised better then to have hate, xenophobia and racism. I do own guns tho…
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u/DavyBoyD 23h ago
- Didn’t happen
- Didn’t happen
- The opposite is currently happening
- Didn’t happen
- Didn’t happen
- Intangible concepts (aside from guns) projected onto an entire demographic
Try harder commie
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u/Sciekosis 22h ago
Martin Luther King said it best "Socialism for the rich and rugged free enterprise capitalism for the poor."
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u/Ciardellaleather 22h ago
So many people in these comments have no idea what capitalism actually is. It’s sad that there is so many confused people out there that just want hand outs while they sit at home being keyboard warriors on Reddit
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u/After_Translator4788 21h ago
My pension is safe, my savings are solid and my job is secure as well as our borders. Try again
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u/Experiment_826 21h ago
Funny because I still have my pension lost my savings to biden's inflation, my job is still here in the United States, I still have health care, biden's economy put me in debt, never had racism or xenophobia, my hate is towards the brainwashed liberal mindset, and my guns are my guns. Get your heads out of your asses and try to see what's going on and not what CNN tells you is. God Bless America.
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u/Royal_Warthog_9825 21h ago
All in 90 days 🤣. Libs are going to lib. They will always miss the forest for the trees.
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u/Flimsy-Dimension-141 21h ago
“Cause socialism is for the people” says the people in charge as they hand you scraps of whats left after they’ve taken their fill.
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u/Detillion 21h ago
I’m not gay, so you probably won’t see me in a gay bar. Yet here we are in America, why are you not in China? You’re not forced to be here. My question is, if Americas youth has all the answers, why are they so reliant on google?
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u/Dannymac2823 21h ago
Wow the Marxist and communist are working overtime on their paid blogs. Love Putin much?
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u/CatsDasMusical 19h ago
Not really. I can still buy groceries under capitalism. I can also go just make a company to sell stuff pretty much anytime I want. Under socialism I can’t do either of those things.
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u/CatsDasMusical 19h ago
Health care got objectively worse with every new government subsidy of it. Education objectively got worse when the department of education was founded. It also got worse when the government began subsidizing student loans. Sounds like socialism creeping in is the problem here.
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u/byronicrob 16h ago
And the guns won't be forever. That'll be one of the first things to go if he gets his way at becoming the supreme leader of America.
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u/dogfan44 15h ago
If this continues for 10 years then yes that can be said. It’s been 2 days. Anger is fine but the freaking out has to calm down
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u/The_Official_Shanto 15h ago
Everything that you said is wrong. extremely funny you think that it's right though.
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u/PreparationSecret684 15h ago
Not a troll. Somehow got into this exchange. I really have better things to do. I'm going to do them now. Have a nice day!
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u/FloRyder- 13h ago
Love people who promote socialism. Ignorance is truly bliss. Go visit any socialist country and see how much freedom you have. See how you like it? It's very easy while living in America saying bs like that. My family comes from a socialist country and they are not going back. We appreciate America, my home.
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u/Capable_Linkster 13h ago
Capitalism didn’t steal anyone’s freedom. According to the information being uncovered, it was about 80% the Dems with fake NGOs, etc and 20% Reps…I would’ve guessed 50/50 scamming the public but nope. Freedom is on the horizon and you’re just talking out your orifice
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u/Complete_Eagle5749 12h ago
Make sure you clock in and register or else you won’t get paid for a full day of protesting💵💵💰💰
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u/PerspectiveNo6232 9h ago
Who else is disgusted with the political propaganda mill reddit has become these last few months?
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u/PhilosopherLumpy6473 7h ago
Of course the educational system had to be cut it clearly wasnt working, now it has chance to work and anyone who disagrees with that is insane
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u/Dependent_Value9849 3h ago
Who is "your"? Because none of that has happened to me or my family. Fucking fear mongering leftist clowns.... 🤡🤡🤡🤣🤣
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u/TruckGoVroomVroom 2h ago
Capitalism is hella dope - big fan.
Highest standard of living in the entirety of human existence. Woo hoo!
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u/Fotoman54 1h ago
Seriously? This is a serious post? NO ONE has ever prospered under socialism and communism. Under communism, over 100 million have been killed. And you think capitalism is evil? You are ignorant of the facts. No other system, for all the faults, has raised up the standard of living of so many people. Socialism has ensured everyone is equal — equally poor. Any place socialism and communism has been tried, it has failed. It can ONLY exist under coercion. Ask the people of Venezuela if they are better off after 25 years of socialist rule? When Khrushchev visited the United States, he was sure the grocery stores were fake, because the shelves were stocked with a multitude of items. In Russia, shelves were rarely filled with chronic shortages of things that had to be rationed. Get a life. Socialism sucks and will suck out your life’s blood while trying to gaslight you into believing you are better off.
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u/Certain_Context5923 1h ago
Socialism doesn’t exist in America…at least not in the way trumptards think.
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u/Tiny_Assistant- 1h ago
Wait a minute tho... the demicrates didnt dismantle the education system... but the rest you got right. Its time for change dont you think.
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u/IsaJerFar1 1d ago
This is a very confused post.
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u/Bubbly-Celery-2334 1d ago
Said the meathead conservative voter. This the best description of the situation I've seen yet, well done
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u/Dramatic-Cattle293 22h ago
It’s clear you are on crack. The gov needs to be audited, they keep losing billions while the middle class foots the bill.
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u/Miserable-Winter-900 4h ago
So why does the median American win double the wage the european . Socialism is good 😁😁
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u/Fotoman54 1h ago
I gather you have zero knowledge of history and therefore have no idea of the history of socialism and communism. Utterly failed movements under which no one has ever prospered. By the way, that nice car you have. That’s not really yours. I don’t have new car, so you need to give it to me so we’re equal.
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u/SensitivePromotion57 1d ago
American capitalism did not “rob me blind”. The capitalist system gives you the opportunity to work and establish a career. It’s up to you to decide what and how you want to manage that opportunity.
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u/DadVader77 1d ago
It’s an economic system. Doesn’t have much to do with giving you any opportunity to work.
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u/SensitivePromotion57 1d ago
I mean if we look at the components of an economic system, labor (ie jobs/careers) are in fact one of the components. So yes, in the economic system would be where the jobs are
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u/No-Tip-4337 1d ago
How does a Right, to purchase control over industry, create opportunity to work and establish a career?
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u/SensitivePromotion57 1d ago
I would not say American capitalism highlights stepping on people at all. Maybe you had a bad experience, but that’s not the case for everyone. A lot of people establish a career and do quite well for themselves and they do it without stepping on people. If you want to see failed systems, there’s one which part of the original post and that’s socialism. It works until you’ve spent all of everyone else’s money. The great news about America is if you don’t like the economic system, you don’t have to stay in it. There are many other places where you can go.
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u/Grand_Scratch_9305 1d ago
It's worked amazingly well for over 250 years. It built the most powerful and prosperous nation on the planet, ever. It drives innovation and competition. How many socialists have walked on the moon?
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u/PreparationSecret684 1d ago
In a free nation, everyone has opportunity. That's the whole American dream. Countless people in America have raised themselves up from poverty to great wealth. That is not possible under socialism because incentives are destroyed.
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u/IcyCucumber6223 1d ago
You mean go to school get a low paying job in government make 25-30% less than your peers but promised job security, as long as you don't steal, commit a felony,not pay your taxes, or commit fraud. Swear an oath to the constitution, be loyal to your country.
Then an asshole who has committed felonies , not paid his taxes, commits fraud and refuses to put his hand on the bible while he mumbles the oath of office illegally fires your coworkers and wants the rest of the government and eventually the country to make him king, I mean president for life. Something not even our first president who could have been never wanted.
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u/SensitivePromotion57 1d ago
Seems like you just wanted to take a shot at the current president. Besides that, I tend to think no one has to take a government job
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u/Infinite-Anything-55 1d ago
Seems you just want to simp for a dictator while completely missing op's point
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u/IcyCucumber6223 23h ago
Like no one is forced to serve in the military but we still did and do. Then when shit hits that fan, people don't have to be drafted, and forced conscription. You are right people should not volunteer for anything including federal service. Because that is what it is a service not a job. It is a career not a job. People in the federal service from day one are sworn in and explained that and the expectation is that they will serve their country and its people and not have their country turn their back on them and made scapegoats or pawns in a game of enrichment.
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u/Grand_Scratch_9305 1d ago
You sound miserable.
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u/IcyCucumber6223 1d ago
No that's the thing I am actually ok, but I do feel bad for the future generations. There are so many people that have never had to live hard lives and i hope they don't, but it seems very inevitable.
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u/Sharp-Snow-5456 1d ago
Nah, it’s not equal opportunity. Stop lying.
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u/SensitivePromotion57 23h ago
I didn’t say equal opportunity anywhere. I said opportunities are available
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u/Gloomy-Film2625 1d ago
You just implied that everyone struggling is doing so by personal choice.
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u/SensitivePromotion57 23h ago
The comment “American capitalism robs people blind” has its implications too. If one is a communist and you want to impose the “socialist” economy on a nation, what better way than to discredit the system that nation uses? Ignore the part where millions of people have benefited from a positive economic system, and just focus on the made up comments of “that capitalism robs people blind” when it does just the opposite. We can look back to when the soviets were installing their socialism, and they marched into companies today and literally at gun point took factories, stores and wealth from the Russian people, all in the name of collectivism….that to me is real robbing
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u/Gloomy-Film2625 22h ago
I consider blatant dismissal of all socialist policy by invocation of the mid-century USSR 75+ years ago as a deflection.
Capitalism as it works in 2025 USA has the potential to enrich small groups of individuals at the expense of millions. You sound like you’re choosing not to see that.
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u/SensitivePromotion57 21h ago
It’s not that I choose not to see your point-I don’t agree with your point. You are trying to vilify a system that has provided a lot to a lot of families. Is it true that there are people in that system who have made more than others? Absolutely. But are there people in that system who took a chance to start a company with their own resources? Absolutely. Not everyone is going to be a business owner. Some will make millions because it’s their company that they started. Some will work for that business owner and no, they won’t make millions, but they will support their families in many different ways because they work and work for that company. I feel like if you can’t find a spot to succeed in this type of economic system, there’s probably something wrong with you, not the system
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u/Gloomy-Film2625 20h ago
That last sentence is the most American mindset stated so bluntly and nakedly and you don’t even realize how foolish it sounds.
“Surely everyone ELSE is wrong, not me!”
No labor is worth millions of dollars, so the CEO you described is legally robbing profits from their workers who are probably living paycheck to paycheck
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u/SensitivePromotion57 19h ago
First off I’m really happy my straight forward approach is getting into your brain. It wasn’t supposed to be like a hidden, backhanded comment. Secondly, I don’t think everyone is wrong, I think you are wrong. Thirdly, labor could potentially be worth a lot of money. It could be brain labor, or physical labor. But it could have potential to be worth a lot of money. So a person doing the labor, it’s up to them to take advantage of that. As far as profits go, when a person starts a company, they determine what their profits are, not you, and definitely not the worker. The worker goes into their job knowing exactly what is expected of them and exactly what the pay is. Now if you don’t like that arrangement, don’t do the job. So it’s obvious we aren’t going to agree. What do you think should be the arrangement in the business world?
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u/Gloomy-Film2625 19h ago
You’re acting like nobody is suffering and everyone is fine just because you personally are fine and this system has benefited you.
Believe it or not, not every single person has the exact same life experience as you. It’s like you’ve never heard of poverty.
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u/SensitivePromotion57 18h ago
Not once did I say “I’m fine” “it worked for me” or anything like that. I said it’s an economic system that gives people a chance and it’s up to them to decide what they do with the opportunities presented. Again, how should the economic system function, according to you?
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u/Gloomy-Film2625 17h ago
The changes I would make are more extensive than a paragraph on a reddit comment. But if we’re going to continue to operate within the current paradigm? Tax the fuck out of the ultra-wealthy and pay everyone a guaranteed monthly wage of at least $1,000/month, ideally much much more.
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u/WorkersUniteeeeeeee 23h ago
lol. Wrong. Capitalism is and always has been a gamed system - the rich have all the opportunities and connections. In pure play capitalism people had SOME opportunities - but corporate capitalism has taken nearly all of that away. And it will only get worse.
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u/SensitivePromotion57 23h ago
As I’ve already said, many of the anti-capitalists are jealous people. But just for fun, I would love to see what your version of the perfect economic system is
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u/WorkersUniteeeeeeee 13h ago
How can you not see your biased opinion? I am anti-capitalism because I am PRO NORMAL PEOPLE. I AM ANTI-RICH-PARASITE class. Money should not be the determining factor of how people can live. Our abilities should be. But in capitalism only money matters.
The rich hoard wealth and opportunities. Workers suffer. The myth of upward mobility is bullshit. Sure maybe 1 in 100 are able to actually ‘work’ and ‘earn’ their way into success- but as those few opportunities are taken - the rest of workers are left in the lower paying dead end jobs. But aren’t those jobs needed for society to function? Why should those people be left working themselves to death? A few paychecks away, 1 major emergency from disaster?
That is all socialism is - a safety net and a way to raise up ALL people - not just the rich parasites. Study after study had shown that a Medicare for all system would save Americans TRILLIONS. Imagine if people didn’t have to worry about paying exorbitant amounts for healthcare and education- how many more incredibly intelligent, hardworking people would there be?
.01% of the US own about 20 TRILLION of the wealth. The bottom 50% own about 9 Trillion. So you think those 300,000 people are really EARNING & WORKING & CONTRIBUTING 1000s of times each what the bottom 165,000,000 people are? Wrong. I am personally very fortunate financially. I was able to basically retire in my early 30s - and I worked with a lot of people making even more than I did. I saw first hand that they absolutely DO NOT contribute so much more to society. CEOs making 600x their average employees pay is disgraceful and disgusting. Companies paying barely survivable wages is horrific. Taking a small % of the wealth that the rich are hoarding (by abusing their privileged positions and opportunities that most people will never see) would be enough to fund healthcare and education for the entire country.
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u/SensitivePromotion57 11h ago
You have so much here but the thing that stands out to me is the “that’s all socialism is” part….socialism is the con game the communist Russians pitched to the little people to get them dependent on the government. If you are one of those people who can be bamboozled into thinking socialism is a good thing, I sort of feel bad for you. It’s not a good thing, it never will be. I think it’s obvious but as long as government agency decides how much of a resource you are going to get, you know you will not get very much of it and it will not be very good. Just my take
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u/WorkersUniteeeeeeee 2h ago
You are a brainwashed fool. Go see any Nordic country and most of Western Europe - all have better outcomes for the masses vs just the richest. Fuck off.
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u/RequirementRoyal8666 1d ago
Wait, I thought it was supposed to hand you an outcome equal to everyone else…
Ohhhhhhh! Right. That’s socialism. And nobody wants that except the minority of people that would benefit because they can’t possibly do any worse.
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u/seaanenemy1 1d ago
That is infact not what socialism is
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u/RequirementRoyal8666 1d ago
Socialism absolutely advocates for equality of outcome. Read a book comrade.
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u/seaanenemy1 1d ago
Not really no. Socialism advocates for workers owning the means of production and from each according to their ability and to each according to their need.
But really the most core idea is that those who generate the labour that creates the massive wealth of billionaires deserve that wealth. This isn't even an arguement about whether or not that works. That simply is the idea.
Read a book wage slave
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u/Grand_Scratch_9305 1d ago
Socialists don't own anything, somebody else does. Do you know what an ant farm is? You're the ant. The guys that owns it is the guy looking at you from the outside.
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u/HattersUltion 1d ago
Sounds the same as capitalism. Isn't one billionaire deciding how our entire govt shouldn't look and operate right now? Bout as ant like as one could get. You're the ant.
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u/seaanenemy1 19h ago
Thats um... capitalism. The capitalist owns the factory and you work in it while he looks from outside. Like you understand this is exactly capitalism. Hell we don't own anything under capitalism. Everything is subscribed too or rented. Like that's the end goal. You won't own anything because then they can keep charging you.
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u/No_Donkey456 1d ago
You're definitely American. You are all full of propaganda about socialism, it's amazing that you all believe in it so doggedly even though its clearly wrong. All of Europe is a little socialist and our people are happier as a result. Not everything is about paper wealth.
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u/RequirementRoyal8666 1d ago
Just a little socialist though, right? Ya know what we call Europe over in America? We call it capitalist. Because that’s what it is.
Keeping giving yourself special boy points for being European. Now you’re in a trade war with the dumb Americans you thought you’re so far above. Full FAFO.
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u/No_Donkey456 1d ago edited 1d ago
Remind me to come back and rub your face in it in a few months when the US economy is collapsing around you.
No country has capitalism in the American manner except for America, and for good reason.
Europe is all free market social democracies buddy. Pure capitalism only works if you have an oligarchy. We have a middle ground here, we are not pure capitalists.
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u/RequirementRoyal8666 1d ago
Hoping beyond hope that the American economy collapses. With tears in your eyes and veins popping out of your forehead.
It’s not going to happen. Trump is a huge prick but all this is going to do is reassert American economic dominance globally.
The way you can tell is how it’s hurting rich people right now too. People say things like “they’re just going to use the dip to do stock buybacks,” except stock buybacks are worthless on a downturn unless it’s a dip. A dip implies that it’s a temporary drop then an increase.
My suggestion is to buy faang stocks right now but you won’t. You’re still gripping your narrative with white knuckles.
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u/I_enjoy_greatness 17h ago
In America, they call a lot of shit the wrong thing because of uniformed morons. Remember when Trump said we ranked second to last in that global test scores before dismantling the board of Ed.? The second worst student is NOT the one to say we are right about knowing something.
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u/mp5-r1 19h ago
I was born into a socialist country. Please, tell me how great it was.
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u/STEALTH-96 1d ago
"From everyone according to their ability, to everyone according to their needs"
No it doesn't. You should read it first instead.
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u/Finding_My_Village 10h ago
So do you believe that farmers should not be bailed out of the tariff mess? Or PPP loans given to large corporations over mom & pop stores during COVID shutdowns? MGT and Matt Gaetz had shell companies with like 4 employees receive thousands over dollars when simple small business owners were denied or delayed relief. What about bailout of Wall Street who then turned around and used those bailouts to buy up all the homes Pennie’s on the dollar. Before your respond, yes, both these occurrences happened with democratic and republican administrations and congressional majorities. US has been a socialist country for quite some time, it’s just benefited more the people at the top by design. So let’s try to refrain from yelling into the void, and start pointing that energy at the ones who are really at fault for where we are today. It’s the oligarchs that have bought out our representation for their favor. It’s people like Musk who have reaped millions of “socialism” from government payouts and who have become too large to keep in line. The only minority destroying this country is the oligarchs. EAT THE RICH!
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u/Several_Leather_9500 1d ago
Tomorrow is the biggest day (thus far) for protests - every state and a few countries across the pond have joined in. Please see r/50501 for details.
If we all don't get involved soon, we will lose our country to maga. Please fight back - PEACEFULLY - of course.
If you plan to attend, please read up on safety measures: https://www.hrc.org/resources/tips-for-preparedness-peaceful-protesting-and-safety
If you can't, continue to flood your reps phones using www.5calls.org
We'll see you tomorrow!
Hands Off Protests: https://www.axios.com/2025/04/03/hands-off-protest-trump-musk-april-5