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News Apple Losing Over $1 Billion a Year on Streaming Service

https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-losing-over-1-billion-year-streaming-service-information-reports-2025-03-20/
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u/MicrowaveKane 16d ago

I’d be okay with them deleting Game of Thrones season 8

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u/CharlieTeller 16d ago

Unpopular opinion, Season 8 is a great season story wise, just rushed.

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u/SushiMage 16d ago

Yeah the macro of the story wasn’t the issue. But rush is an understatement, i think they would even need like 2 whole seasons (and real seasons not this 6 episode stuff) to flesh out the developments they went for.

Also the final season was well shot overall. If you ignore the story, the final two episodes had some absolutely fantastic shots. Even the white walker episode, again, ignoring narrative and poor lighting during the early sequences of the episode, had some beautiful shots.

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u/igby1 16d ago

What makes it a great season story wise?

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u/CharlieTeller 16d ago

So you can have a great show, with great sensible plot points and good writing, but they condense the story down which can kill pacing. You'll see this a lot with movie adaptations of books because there's just too much content to fit into a movie.

If you're a kid who read the Harry Potter books, this is a great example. The stories are great, but there are countless things left out and some of the later entries feel a bit rushed skipping some very important plot points. As a whole though, the narrative is complete and makes sense where it went to.

I think the biggest issue with S8 of GoT is that the majority of viewers were duped thinking Daenerys was the protagonist. She was the antagonist the entire time and many viewers struggle with these types of stories. It felt like a large character jump for her, but it wasn't in reality. She was always a bit of a villain who was entitled and malicious. Especially in the books.

The other thing people didn't like was how the ending just ends a bit with a "what do we do now?" But however, that's a very common theme especially in the middle ages. You had people who fought wars for generations and that was all they knew. However when peace finally comes, the majority of people think "well shit what are we supposed to do? I'm so used to hatred and fighting that we don't know what to do without it." That was brilliant IMO but anti-climactic which in reality, is the reality of war. War often ends this way.

I was a book reader and to be honest, I hate everything fantasy based in the books. I read it for the medieval style conflict loosely based on reality. Nothing from the story should have come as a shock if viewers were paying attention as it went along.

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u/RoughCoffee6 16d ago

You’ll never convince me that Jamie’s complete abandonment of his character arc will ever be anything but shitty writing.

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u/CharlieTeller 16d ago

How was it abandoned? He's a flawed character who is constantly drawn back to the toxicity which is Cersei and it eventually leads to his downfall. He tries to be honorable, but honor means nothing in that universe and it eventually ruins him.

Which part specifically are you referring to that was abandoned? IMO he's a MacGuffin. You think his duty the entire time is to end the tyranny and eventually fulfill his arc by eventually killing Daenerys, but he doesn't.

This entire show is filled with those arcs and so is the book. They build up a character arc, and then abandon it by making it end in tragedy.

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u/Imunown 16d ago

Why would he be so driven to slay his liege-lord as a 16 year old, by stabbing him in the back and then secretly carry the truth to his grave? Was it because his honor wasn’t worth the deaths of hundreds of thousands of the small folk? 16 year old Jamie wanted to live up to the ideals of Chivalry, even if it meant being publicly excoriated for his actions.

I never really cared about the small folk

Is undercutting his entire motivation for killing Aerys and his willingness to carry the shame of “betraying” his oath. The tragedy was that Jamie saved a million people at the cost of his own soul and then his last words were “hah, jk lol, I did it all to bang my sister”

WHICH DOESNT EVEN LOGICALLY FOLLOW.

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u/CharlieTeller 16d ago

You just explained a really good character dilemma. I don't see the problem. When you seek logic in an illogical world, you will be disappointed.

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u/TimDRX 16d ago

I don't think most people took issue with what happened in S8, but how it happened. I've no doubt GRRM gave the dipshit show runners a bullet point summary of how the story was meant to end, stuff like "Dany burns King's Landing and is killed by Jon Snow" but the route they took to get there was fucking baffling.

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u/CharlieTeller 16d ago

This was something he outright said. He did tell them how he wanted the story to end in case he died before finishing the book.

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u/3_50 16d ago

Lol, it's 'great story wise' because it wraps up 5 seasons worth of plot in 6 episodes (IIRC GRRM said he expected 12-13 seasons in total). No one is mad about the story beats...

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u/CharlieTeller 16d ago

That's not true. One of the biggest criticism WAS the story beats. The biggest criticism people hated specifically was Daenerys burning kings landing. That was the main thing people complained about. It wasn't the rushing.

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u/3_50 16d ago

THAT'S not true. The criticism was how Daenerys suddenly went crazy out of nowhere, rather than having 5 seasons to slowly lose her mind...you know, because it was rushed.

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u/CharlieTeller 16d ago

Literally what I'm referring to.

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u/3_50 16d ago

People weren't mad that she went crazy, it was that she went from 'Breaker of Chains' to murdering a city with a dragon in a single episode

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u/CharlieTeller 16d ago

Yes they absolutely were. The countless articles from media outlets beg to differ.

The writing was also on the walls about being the "breaker of chains." She never cared for them. She wanted the power. She abandoned them to govern on their own with no safety net all in the name of a conflict she did not even have a part in.

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u/3_50 16d ago

The good thing about reddit is that you can post links in comments!

Fill your next one with countless articles where they sole issue is that she went crazy, and not that it was rushed.

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u/CharlieTeller 16d ago

You're correct and I'm wrong here. Most of the articles are mentioning what you said. It's mostly reddit posts being upset so not articles specifically.

However there is a way to discuss this without being petty and rude? I wasn't rude to you. Notice how I admitted I was wrong calmly and in a civil tone? Take note.

I was wrong.

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