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News Comedian Russell Brand charged with rape

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0457d02e9go
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u/ReverendDS 22h ago

Didn't he go from drug addict, to drug addict comedian, to atheist firebrand drug addict, to drug addict movie star?

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u/vercetian 21h ago

If I may interject: it's addict in recovery. You never stop being an addict, you just work through recovery. Don't be a douche nozzle, some of us work hard for this.

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u/ReverendDS 21h ago

Oh, I didn't know he ever stopped the drugs. I was under the impression from him that he just had more money for better quality drugs.

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u/JesusWasA420Man 21h ago

Keep fighting the good fight. I’m proud of you!

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u/ProbablyYourITGuy 21h ago

YOU may never stop being an addict, but not everyone feels that way. Some recovery programs follow the theory you will always be addicted, but not all of them do.

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u/rcknmrty4evr 20h ago

Yeah not everyone subscribes to that way thinking, and there are arguments that the “always an addict” mindset can be harmful.

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u/JesusWasA420Man 21h ago

It's not that “you will always be addicted” but rather brain chemistry is such that you are at a higher risk to it than some others.

Addiction is more like a chronic disease, one that needs treatment/management rather than something that can be out right cured.

https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugs-brains-behavior-science-addiction/treatment-recovery

Edit: either way, super proud of you!

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u/RiversKiski 19h ago

That's not even true.. after 3 years of sobriety the chances of developing an active addiction are in line with the general population.

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u/JesusWasA420Man 19h ago

Do you have a source for your claim?

I see that the statistics show that when someone is sober past the 3-5 year mark, the likely hood of relapse is significantly lower but no solid evidence for what you stated.

Also, did you click the link?

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u/RiversKiski 19h ago

I read the link.

https://ncphp.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Relpase-declines-after-5-years.pdf

That's out of North Carolina, but it's also taught in PA during recovery-based certifications.

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u/JesusWasA420Man 19h ago

What part is not true?

15% is still technically higher.

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u/fookreddit22 21h ago

I disagree, and I think it's a damaging mindset. Recovery has an end, then you're back in progression.

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u/JesusWasA420Man 19h ago

What exactly determines the end of recovery?

Quite often one addiction is replaced with another. Would you say that someone who stops using drugs but is now aimlessly shopping or carelessly binging video games is recovered?

No, they’re still an addict.

The current belief is that addiction is more like a chronic disease. Here is more information: https://nida.nih.gov/publications/drugs-brains-behavior-science-addiction/treatment-recovery

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u/fookreddit22 19h ago

The end of recovery is when there is no psychological impulse to keep the addiction alive.

Someone who is addicted to shopping can't abstain from shopping for the rest of their life, they have to learn to manage their compulsions.

Not shopping is good for shopaholics in recovery but impractical for someone trying to progress outside of recovery.

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u/JesusWasA420Man 19h ago

Shopping was just one example…

What if they just move to insert a different addiction here? The “psychological impulse to keep the [first] addiction alive” isn’t there anymore. Is this person’s recovery complete?

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u/fookreddit22 19h ago

Then yes, they are still an addict. But they are addicted to something else. Their recovery has started again, but with a new vice that requires a new approach for recovery.

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u/JesusWasA420Man 18h ago

What if the “new vice” is something more socially acceptable, say like coffee or chocolate?

I know lots of people who would be labeled an addict if their coffee/sugar/tv consumption was replaced with something else.

Is the addict not an addict now because they can say “I’m just a big coffee drinker like those guys at the office”? Or “So what if I watched 9 whole seasons of Doctor Who in only 2 days”?

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u/fookreddit22 18h ago

Addiction is Addiction. We don't need to quantify based on substance/action unless it's risk assessment.

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u/SmokinBandit28 20h ago

I kinda agree with you, but also understand that a big part of addiction is psychological, people need ways to quantify and explain things easily to themselves.

So by telling yourself “it’s an incurable disease,” “a deadly allergy” or as a “cancer that’s gone into remission” but never cured it psychologically keeps people in the mindset to stay aware of consequences for their actions.

Same reason imo many recovery programs innocuously tie into religion/higher power stuff, it’s to give you a moral base so you start thinking more about actions and consequences.

Then you have the ones that go with the belief that it’s your willpower that got you into this mess so you can get yourself out.

At the end of the day it’s all basically saying the same thing but using different tact to get the message through people’s thick skulls and if it works it works so I don’t knock it.

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u/BoingBoingBooty 19h ago

I don't think Russell Brand is recovering.