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News Comedian Russell Brand charged with rape

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0457d02e9go
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u/cnzmur 20h ago

The other side of this of course is that 'rape' in the UK is still a very specific crime that requires a penis for instance, where a lot of those charges in other places are from when the laws were made broader in scope, and allow for female perpetrators and that kind of thing.

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u/DickDastardly404 9h ago

we have a fairly extensive list of sexual offences in the uk outlined in the sexual offenses act of 2003.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/notes/contents

I admit I was surprised to discover that you're right, and the basic legal description of rape requires penetration with his penis into someone's vagina, anus, or mouth.

That wording sort of implies that a woman cannot commit rape in the UK, which is wild. But there are a further 78 sections to this law that define in great detail a series of other crimes, exceptions, caveats, and modern amendments.

These extend even so far as to include different body parts such as digital penetration, changing the wording of vagina to include vulva, specifying the inclusion of surgically constructed body parts (for example with a gender reassignment surgery), and even, in the case of offenses against animals, stipulating the inclusion of "similar parts" for animals that do not have a vagina or anus. Which kinda implies that someone in the past tried to get their client off charges because they fucked a bird or something and technically that doesn't count because they have a cloaca. Which would be almost funny if it wasn't awful.

The important part to note is that by the letter of the law, the courts do persecute acts that are morally equivalent to their definition of rape with the same degree of severity. For example if a woman forced a man to have sex with her, it would not be rape under our definitions, it would be "Causing a person to engage in sexual activity without consent" - which although lacking the powerful word, carries the same suggested sentence as rape; the language being: "A person guilty of an offence under this section ... is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life."

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u/runningoutofwords 19h ago

The third side of this is that the UK still uses the word "rape" for "canola".

Yeah, they're all over there frying up their fish and chips in rape oil.

Do not like.

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u/alaginge 19h ago

Rapeseed oil*

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u/hamsterliciousness 17h ago

Canola refers to a type of rapeseed, so you can't always just sub it in.

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u/yiffing_for_jesus 8h ago

Doesn’t it stand for Canadian oil low acid?

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u/bt101010 6h ago

Yes, but it's still a type of rapeseed. Just a healthier species, but the same plant family.

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u/DeputyDomeshot 13h ago

… are you talking about rapeseed oil?? Lmao

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u/DickDastardly404 9h ago

Rapeseed oil comes from the rape plant in the family Brassicaceae. Plants in this family aside from rape are radishes, cabbages, and importantly, turnips.

The latin word for turnip is rāpa, so its easy to see how a similar plant is called the rape plant.

The word rape for the action of non-consensual sex comes from the latin rapere which means to seize, abduct, or plunder by force. Originally this did not explicitly have its modern sexual connotation, but acts of rapere were often carried out by soldiers or invading forces taking from civilians, and we know full well that pillage and rape are crimes often perpetrated together.

Different words with different origins.

Did you think rape oil is some crude horrible british joke that we're all in on or something? like what was going on in your head? Why did you imagine we call it that?

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u/ChainsawAdvocate 9h ago

It's the American brain at work

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u/DickDastardly404 8h ago

bad naughty word makes me sad

should I do a bare modicum of research?

nah, I'd rather just be outraged.

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u/MikeX1000 13h ago

that also broke my mind for a bit when I first heard it. But apparently they come from two different sources

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u/ViralParallel 18h ago

The first time I heard Clarkson say rape seed on Clarksons farm I had to do a double take and then promptly google what the fuck he was on about. Absolutely blew my mind.