r/nyc • u/DYMAXIONman • 2d ago
News Poll: AOC leads Schumer in head-to-head New York primary matchup by double digits
https://www.politico.com/news/2025/04/04/schumer-aoc-poll-primary-new-york-030621146
u/1I1III1I1I111I1I1 2d ago
Get Schumer and Pelosi the fuck out ASAP
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u/monotone12 2d ago
Good news, Pelosi stepped down years ago. She is just a backbencher now and Hakeem Jeffries, a New Yorker, is running the house democrats now
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u/Puzzleheaded_Will352 Harlem 2d ago
Hakeem Jeffries is the same as pelosi. Business as usual. Hakeem is worse because he’s a horrible communicator. Idk how a lawyer can be so bad at public speaking.
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u/JoffreysCrossbow FiDi 2d ago edited 2d ago
Idk how a lawyer can be so bad at public speaking.
Man I think the same every time I watch a clip of him speaking. He comes across as really stiff and relies way too much on the talking points making his interviews sound unnatural. He’s got the stereotypical “politician speak”.
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u/Infinite_Carpenter 2d ago
Let AOC fucking cook. She’s a great speaker and connects with working class Americans.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Will352 Harlem 2d ago
Nothing I said has anything to do with AOC ?
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u/Infinite_Carpenter 2d ago
Dem leadership sucks. Let the young, progressive members, like AOC, lead the charge.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Will352 Harlem 2d ago
Are you a bot?
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u/Infinite_Carpenter 2d ago
I find it interesting that someone can complain about dem leadership being inadequate and then turn away from the solution that’s staring them in the face. Willful ignorance isn’t going to get you anywhere.
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u/RyzinEnagy Woodhaven 2d ago
I think the problem was telling them "Let AOC fucking cook" comes across as an attack on them when they never tried to put her down in the first place so they got defensive.
Tone doesn't convey well over text but still, don't curse at people you probably agree with.
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u/MeatballMadness 2d ago
https://news.gallup.com/poll/656111/few-major-political-figures-rated-positively-balance.aspx
She has a lower positive favorability rating, albeit better unfavorable rating, than both Schumer and Pelosi. She's also underwater against even Drumpf.
The only people AOC connects with are over-educated, wealthy, white coastal elites. Basically your typical out of touch redditor.
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u/beer_nyc 2d ago
Idk how a lawyer can be so bad at public speaking.
umm, why would you think a lawyer would be good at public speaking?
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u/enuffofthiscrap 2d ago
Pelosi? weird take but ok!
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u/n_jacat Sunnyside 2d ago
Why is it a weird take to want an 85-year-old out of public office? She literally only has the job for financial gain now.
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u/handsoapdispenser 2d ago
Schumer and Pelosi were incredibly good at their jobs and you can see the world of difference in the inept party leadership of the GOP. They were never the ones to be the vanguard of liberal thinking, they were the ones who whipped votes and got actual workable bills passed. Pelosi has aged out and stepped down from leadership. Schumer still has some good years left but he's a consensus builder and not built for a resistance movement. Sure we need fresh legs on the left but we need people like these two to get anything done.
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u/n_jacat Sunnyside 2d ago
Lol this stubborn POV is why the Democratic Party has been losing steam and now borders on non-viable.
People are telling you all that they hate Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi, they hate corporate democrats, and they want change. The DNC establishment continues to stubbornly refuse change.
Schumer and Pelosi are largely responsible for the wreck we’re dealing with today. They are 74 and 85 years old. They need to get the fuck out of public office.
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u/LongConFebrero 2d ago
Yeah the reality is if they were concerned with the well being of the party and not their pockets, they would groom multiple people to strengthen the cause. They know how to move the needle and that should be passed down.
But instead they cash grab cause they’re just as greedy as the other boomers, and that’s why we’re in this predicament.
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u/handsoapdispenser 2d ago
How exactly are they responsible? They helped get a load of invaluable legislation done. The actual work of government. I think people are getting swept up in optics the same way the GOP base has been. I understand they're not as popular with the base anymore but they both won reelection recently by huge margins.
Pelosi at this point is too old and she knows it. Schumer would be by the end of his term if he were reelected in '28 but he'd probably still be fine to serve. Bernie is 83 and won reelection and nobody is complaining. Bernie leads good rallies and makes good videos and he's got all the right ideas but Schumer and Pelosi actually scored tangible progress and I'll never take that for granted.
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u/n_jacat Sunnyside 2d ago
They are the core of a Democratic establishment increasingly in the pockets of corporations, special interests, and lobbies. They on multiple occasions shut down extremely popular candidates, platforms, and movements in favor of running weak establishment allies against the people they claimed were threats to American Democracy. They put more work to keep progressives out of committees and out of office than they put into combatting Trump and his cronies. Look at the national electorate. They have told you with their votes and wallets that they do not like establishment politicians and love people who promote change. They hate establishment tools so much they’re willing to let Donald Trump destroy the country instead because at least he promised change.
And no, they don’t know they’re too old. Chuck Schumer is 74. Nancy Pelosi is 85. How long do you want to give them to finally act on recognizing their age? People don’t complain about Bernie because he is still using his seat to call for the same things he’s called for his whole political career. He hasn’t ever been beholden to special interests and actually works to build a coalition and movement on the left. Pelosi uses her seat for nothing but financial gain via insider trading and slowing progressive movements.
I don’t care what good Schumer or Pelosi did, they’ve undone everything with their refusal to cede their grips on power and the wealth that comes with it in their old age. They are “leaders” who look out for themselves and have left the party directionless.
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u/bso45 2d ago
You realize Pelosi is none of our business now that she’s not leadership. Not that I don’t think she should be in prison.
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u/n_jacat Sunnyside 2d ago
She’s still in office and she’s damaging to the DNC’s viability by refusing to cede her seat to fresh blood and by passing her leadership position to somebody even more useless than she’s been.
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u/Menwearpurple 2d ago
This is a poll by a progressive organization and surveyed by sms only. Not too much different than doing a poll on a progressive subreddit.
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u/DYMAXIONman 2d ago
Data for Progress is the most accurate polling for Dem primaries. They always have been. Their general election polling is not so great, because it's hard to poll Republicans.
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u/llamapower13 2d ago edited 2d ago
That doesn’t discount what the person you’re replying to said.
They’re an org with an agenda who happens to do polls.
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u/otton_andy 2d ago
is the agenda to gather data that reflects eventual results with a high degree of accuracy? if so, they look to be succeeding according to the other replies
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u/llamapower13 2d ago edited 2d ago
As noted by the poster’s other comments, they over index younger voters by solely doing sms polling
And I wasn’t saying it’s not accurate. Nor was the other poster. Just that’s it’s biased and as a progressive leaning subreddit, you’re gonna hear what you want.
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u/otton_andy 2d ago
pointing out immaterial bias as "an agenda" seems really silly when the results are reliable and apparently unaffected by any imagined bias
really leaning into the empty whataboutism, huh. 'oh, their polls are consistently in line with reality? well, what about their agenda?'
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u/llamapower13 2d ago
It’s not immaterial. https://www.dataforprogress.org/our-mission
They have a clear mission statement. Which I support. And I don’t doubt the authenticity of the poll; I was stating that OP’s response didn’t counter the argument made.
Please learn to control your knee jerking.
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u/otton_andy 2d ago
great advice but you act like you trained with Bruce Lee in this thread so it carries very little weight
when your local forecast calls for rain, i wonder if the first thing in your head is "of course they'd say that! meteorologists always push their pro-weather agenda!" they even went to school for it
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u/jojisky 2d ago
You can literally click the crosstabs and see that there's only 204 Under 45's included in the poll of 767. This is completely in line with other polls. The vast majority of respondents were older like a likely primary electorate would be.
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u/llamapower13 2d ago
Sorry would you mind sharing the link? Appreciate it!
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u/jojisky 2d ago
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u/llamapower13 15h ago edited 15h ago
That’s the weighted n meaning it’s been adjusted based on their relative importance. Meaning there’s less importance to their responses compared to over 45s for that inquiry.
That’s not the number polled. That would be unweighted. Also that was just for one question.
Thanks for sharing the source though.
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u/jojisky 2d ago
They polled the mayoral race and found Cuomo creaming Zohran like every other pollster. There is zero reason to discount them. They are a legit pollster.
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u/Menwearpurple 2d ago
They’re not a research organization. They’re an advocacy group that does polling to push their agenda. Full stop any data from them needs to be discounted. They will not do research nor show data that doesn’t support their progressive narrative. Full stop period. Irrelevant if they were close in a handful of cherry picked polls in dem primaries. They’re not a legitimate pollster.
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u/PhAnToM444 2d ago
They have a B rating with a median bias of D +1.59 on a sample of 114 polls.
They are absolutely a legitimate pollster. For context that’s the same grade as YouGov and higher than Ipsos.
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u/Menwearpurple 2d ago
A B rating doesn’t mean neutral or agenda-free. It just means they’re not total garbage at conducting polls. DFP is an advocacy group first—polling is a tool, not the mission. They publish selectively. That bias doesn’t go away because they got a few calls right. I did not say they aren’t doing polling . I said they’re not by definition pollsters. They obviously do polling. But they’re not neutral and polling for them is a propaganda tool.
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u/Popdmb 2d ago
I think we're splitting hairs. If they're a non-neutral advocacy organization but their polling is as or more robust than groups we classify as pollsters, don't we care about the accuracy of the poll more?
It seems their advocacy doesn't swing the median bias more than YouGov. Right?
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u/jojisky 2d ago
Their general election polling 2022 literally overestimated Republicans. Also your initial post quite clearly aims to imply that the way they conduct the survey itself is inherently biased toward progressives, but the many other polls they've done (including for the mayoral race) directly counter that.
You think Zohran thought a poll showing him losing black voters 90-10 to Cuomo was particularly helpful?
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u/Menwearpurple 2d ago
DFP is an advocacy shop, not a neutral pollster. One or two polls that didn’t fit their agenda doesn’t erase their track record of cherry-picking and shaping narratives. Also, no, they didn’t “overestimate Republicans” in any meaningful way—show your source.
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u/mr_zipzoom 2d ago
Crosstabs look pretty reasonable for likely NY Democratic voters. SMS polling is pretty common vs. random phone calls now since the type of people that answer unknown numbers skews the results.
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u/yeahbutnobutyeahso 2d ago
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u/Menwearpurple 2d ago
Lie lie lie. This article does not reference DFP at all. There’s no data showing they overestimated republicans in 2022. DFP is definitionally not a pollster. They are a progressive advocacy group. They get donations to advocate for progressive causes and fund propaganda and hire real pollsters to do polling work to support their cause. This is not only them more progressive groups. Everyone does this. This isn’t ipsos or Nielsen or pew or Gallup. This is the equivalent of the America first policy institute hiring a legit right wing pollster and telling them to conduct research that will help drive right wing causes
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u/yeahbutnobutyeahso 2d ago
This article does not reference DFP at all
The figure “The most and least accurate pollsters of 2021-2022” has a record for Data for Progress, with the following values:
- # of polls: 33
- Average error: 4.4
- % of correct calls: 79
- Average bias: R+1.8
That average error value is toward the middle of the pack during a historically accurate year for pollsters.
Everyone does this
No, the table shows quite clearly that there is a difference between hacks and actual pollsters. DFP’s results cluster next to the legitimate pollsters.
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u/thebestbrian Bay Ridge 2d ago
Data for Progress is a progressive organization but their polling outfit is high enough rated, they aren't considered anything as close to a fake right wing pollster like Trafalgar.
For example Fox News is a conservative organization but their polling operation is considered quality and unbiased.
You dont know what you're talking about.
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u/Menwearpurple 2d ago
There’s a critical difference between a conservative or liberal leaning media outlet and an ACTIVIST organization for progressive causes. If you can’t comprehend that I’m sorry there’s nothing to talk about
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u/thebestbrian Bay Ridge 2d ago
Dude you're lumping in Data for Progress with like Trafalgar and Patriots Polling USA. They're a credible polling outfit whether you say so or not.
Their polling in 2022 was one of the most accurate of any pollsters: https://www.dataforprogress.org/blog/2022/12/2/dfp-2022-polling-accuracy-report
Just because you dislike the results they give, doesn't mean they're not a qualified pollster.
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u/Busy-Objective5228 2d ago
Your assumption there is that the progressive organization only polled progressives. Do you know that to be true?
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u/Menwearpurple 2d ago
They didn’t only poll progressives. They’re using sms only which typicallly over indexes young people. If they did it by fax for example it would produce different results
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u/FatXThor34 2d ago
Goes to show that progressives are so weak minded.
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u/llamapower13 2d ago
No. Just shows that humans are not good at being skeptical of news that backs up their world view.
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u/User-no-relation 2d ago
the primary more than three years away?
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u/DYMAXIONman 2d ago
Schumer is basically toast and this poll basically confirms it. I'm assuming he just steps down.
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u/Massive-Arm-4146 2d ago
I find it very credible that Schumer could lose a primary to a well-known, well-funded candidate to his left, like AOC.
Rank and file liberals that make up most of the party feel betrayed by Schumer for capitulation to Trump and GOP.
Pelosi and the "do whatever it takes to win" party insiders have always thought he was a weak minority leader (they are right) and have openly criticized him of late.
Obviously a lot will change, and its not really certain that the Pelosi/insider crowd will ever support AOC, but Schumer is definitely in crosshairs.
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u/Boundless_Seas 2d ago
I know I will be downvoted for this but I have lived in AOC's district for the entirety of her career as a US Representative and can't name a single thing she has done for us, nor can anyone I know.
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u/Topher1999 Midwood 1d ago
She’s in your district like every other week organizing and even helped those grocery workers secure a new contract. You are purposely not paying attention.
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u/DYMAXIONman 2d ago
Because you don't understand how congress works or understand that basically nothing can pass currently because of the filibuster.
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u/TheIrishTitan 2d ago
Talking about a potential election in 2028 is cringe. We have absolutely no idea what the world is going to look like by then.
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u/Lost-Line-1886 2d ago
This is also very likely the bottom of Schumer’s popularity. He’s taking a lot of heat right now for making a deal with republicans to keep the government open.
SOME of that disapproval will fade over time, but who knows how much.
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u/czapatka Park Slope 2d ago
yeah, you're totally right, we should just not plan ahead for anything
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u/TheIrishTitan 2d ago
This is “planning” lmao. Ok bud
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u/Rpanich Brooklyn 2d ago
…. Yes. Electing future political leaders is “planning”.
What do you consider it?
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u/TheIrishTitan 2d ago
I consider looking at a poll for a theoretical primary race 3.5 years away similar to astrology. Or shaking a magic 8 ball. Or maybe flipping a coin to see if AOC will win. But if you consider that planning, good luck.
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u/Rpanich Brooklyn 2d ago
Ok, so you think primary leaders are picked at random? Like, they just choose random names and roll a dice?
No, you work towards a campaign, gather constituents, and build momentum; all things that work better the more time you put behind them.
Like… are you saying you only support your primary candidate a few weeks before the election?
Is this why non of your primary candidates ever get on the ballot? Because you don’t start until it’s over?
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u/TheIrishTitan 2d ago
Lmao. I didn’t say any of these things. You arguing with a shadow. All I said was looking at a poll for a primary over 3 years away, in which AOC has not even said she’s interested in running, is fucking BRAINDEAD. If you disagree, idk what to tell you.
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u/chmod777 2d ago edited 2d ago
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u/plain_cyan_fork 2d ago
pollers... this is six years from being remotely relevant
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u/DYMAXIONman 2d ago
This is what I assume. In 2027 she runs for president maybe, if she isn't leading the primary she'll drop and run for senate in 2028.
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u/d3arleader 2d ago
This is a bullshit poll by these fuckers STILL mass texting everyone. Of course only the AOC crowd will respond.
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u/Topher1999 Midwood 1d ago
Cuomo beats Zohran in the same poll. Poll denialism is why Dems got overconfident in 2024.
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u/CrackHeadRodeo 2d ago
Democrats’ deference to Biden was a disaster. They still haven’t learned their lesson.
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u/spicytoastaficionado 2d ago
If Schumer is such a problem, then democrats should circle the wagons and initiate a leadership vote.
It takes just 10 senate dems to start the process to potentially oust him as minority leader.
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u/alius_stultus 2d ago
I hope schumer goes to jail for his crimes. You think he didn't know Menendez? He fucking knew.
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u/blellowbabka 2d ago
I'm a Democrat and I don't want either of them
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u/GoRangers5 Brooklyn 2d ago
Same, but if it is between those two, I’ll vote for AOC, dude has been in Washington too long.
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u/blellowbabka 2d ago
I won't vote for anyone that is endorsed by the DSA, but I do agree that it is time for Schumer to retire.
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u/iknowyouright 2d ago
Good news. The DSA almost revoked their endorsement of her because she spoke on a panel about antisemitism. So I guess they’re not super fond of her lately
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u/blellowbabka 2d ago
The national DSA did revoke it because of that, but she is still endorsed by the NYC DSA.
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u/General_Pen_760 2d ago
DSA cultists do not believe in antisemitism and will punish those who discuss it. They endorse and are affiliated with some of the worst political groups that inspire hate crimes.
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u/DYMAXIONman 2d ago
The national DSA can be kinda dumb sometimes and didn't endorse her in 2024. However, the NYC DSA, which is way more normal, did endorse her.
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u/DYMAXIONman 2d ago
*DINO
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u/blellowbabka 2d ago
Uh no, the Democratic party is not only for far left nutcases or dinosaurs whose time has come. In fact I have heard far leftists say often they aren't really Dems which makes your comment particularly stupid
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u/n_jacat Sunnyside 2d ago
It’s easy to tell who hasn’t actually paid attention to AOC by how much they label her as an extremist. It’s cute how scared you guys are of her.
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u/blellowbabka 2d ago
It's cute you assume I haven't paid attention because I disagree with you. I know she has moderated herself somewhat for gullible people who don't know a lot about the DSA, but she can kiss my Jewish tuchas. Imagine trying to legitimize Hasan Piker and thinking people won't label you an extremist. I'm not scared of her at all, I'm just not going to support anyone from the DSA no matter how much you all bitch or call people names (you hurt your cause with this nonsense btw)
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u/n_jacat Sunnyside 2d ago
I’m sorry the fear mongering has been so effective in shutting down any nuance.
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u/blellowbabka 2d ago
I'm sorry you refuse to listen to a Jew when they say they are worried about antisemitism. Do you gaslight and dismiss other minorities too?
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u/blellowbabka 2d ago
Isn't it interesting how many far leftists claim to be Jewish and yet don't participate in any Jewish subs. Do you do anything Jewish besides use it to dismiss antisemitism? Getting .5% on your 23andme doesn't actually make you Jewish fyi
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u/iknowyouright 2d ago
Schumer needs to go but AOC ain’t winning votes north of the Bronx. NYS is so damn conservative upstate.
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u/Blame_Jaime 2d ago
AOC has become very popular with normie resist libs. I think you’d be surprised.
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u/Kxts 2d ago
Good thing “normie resist libs” make up the majority of the democratic left. I’m unsure why anyone, whether online or irl, believes leftists make up any sort of significant population among the left. They hold no power.
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u/DYMAXIONman 2d ago
The left holds a lot of power in NYC, but yes, the reason AOC will crush Schumer in the primary is that the casual MSNBC watcher loves AOC now.
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u/Kxts 2d ago
AOC is very popular among liberals especially since she’s distanced herself from obviously unpopular far left culture war issues that should be taking no priority at the voting booth.
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u/n_jacat Sunnyside 2d ago
The “far left culture” nonsense y’all throw around about AOC will never not make me laugh my ass off.
You guys have no idea what the actual far left looks like if you think AOC is or has been anywhere close to that.
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u/Kxts 2d ago
I know precisely actually what far left looks like and AOC/Bernie Sanders were the closest thing you could get to it here in the U.S. They’ve since distanced themselves from the hardcore socialist/anarcho-communist supporters. You can want a more fair and progressive government without a communist/socialist relocation btw. Hope this helps.
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u/n_jacat Sunnyside 2d ago
Ahahahahahahaha what the fuck are you talking about?
Neither Bernie or AOC has even come even remotely close to hardcore socialism or anarcho-communism. It’s impressive how much you’re buying propaganda that tries to generalize their supporters and most popular non-MAGA political movement in the US as extremist.
You know why the political establishment and media outlets label them and their supporters as “far left extremists?” Because they threaten the wealth and power these leeches have amassed over decades of exploitation. They’re scared and they’re using you.
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u/iknowyouright 2d ago
I just remember how many confederate flags I’ve seen north of Albany.
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u/DYMAXIONman 2d ago
There are barely any people there though, and those that are aren't voting in the Dem primary. Dems still win the rest of NY if you deleted NYC.
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u/Blame_Jaime 2d ago
True, but those people don’t vote in the Democratic primary
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u/iknowyouright 2d ago
I was thinking the general election. Not gonna be great if some Republican replaces Schumer
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u/DYMAXIONman 2d ago
There is ZERO chance a Republican wins the Senate seat, especially in a blue wave election. Come on now. AOC would win with like 70% of the vote.
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u/iknowyouright 2d ago
Dude, NYC went redder than it has in decades. Liberals need to stop being so arrogant thinking “it can’t happen!” That’s how we got Trump twice.
Anything can happen
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u/GettingPhysicl 2d ago
Yeah but they ain’t voting in the den primary. And they don’t matter in the general
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u/spicytoastaficionado 2d ago
but AOC ain’t winning votes north of the Bronx
If she primaries Schumer, she'd be running on the same general election ballot as the 2028 presidential election.
Hard to imagine too many Democrat POTUS-GOP Senate split ticket voters in NY as a whole, and she'd benefit from the boosted turnout of a presidential election.
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u/Alt4816 2d ago
Keep in mind she would be facing Schumer in a primary. For the primary it doesn't matter how many Republicans there are upstate.
As for the upstate Democrat heavy areas Buffalo voted for a socialist mayor in a primary not that long ago. (Then for the general the DNC worked with the republicans to re-elect the old mayor as a write in).
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u/jamaicanmecrazy1luv 2d ago
Team AOC. She's has some iffy friends but I think she's good for this country
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u/MinefieldFly 2d ago
Cool well, it’s literally years away, so how about we focus on reality here people.
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u/SemaphoreKilo 2d ago
If folks actually listen to AOC herself instead of the demonized portrayal of her at Fox News and NY Post, I think they will change their minds.
I still remember a few years back when a Republican Representative from KY invited her to speak to the coal miners in his district, and when she accepted, he promptly canceled the invitation with a really lame excuse. Dude realized her message resonates with actual working class folks, like the coal miners he is supposed to represent.
AOC's message and agenda will resonate across NY state
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u/no_more_jokes 2d ago
I don't like AOC, I don't care for her theatrics and I wish the actual progressive wing of the Democratic party had a more serious leader. That said, at least she's not a single-issue politician who will let Trump trample our rights and our laws so long as he maintains support for the Netanyahu regime.
I would prefer AOC to Schumer, but I don't think the rest of the state outside of the few NYC neighborhoods that obsess over her would ever consider ousting one of the most powerful politicians in the country for someone who carries herself like a celebrity
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u/T0ADcmig 2d ago
The activists of this party need to have a clear message reflecting what they disagree with the Democratic party on. Otherwise you are telling the status quo they are doing fine.
Republicans changed because of what started in the Tea Party movement. Those people made it clear Bush type Republicans fucked up. They were clear that the spending wasn't matching the values they ran on. This was right after 7 years of war spending based on a lie and bank bailouts. The tea party peoples influence has been coopted now, but you are seeing a more libertarian version of the Republicans than in 2008. The neocons are firmly out of influence there, they literally endorsed Democrats now.
You got 4 years of Trump now, you want to build up your party with wins. I think you have to lose more. Thats how the Republicans changed, they got creamed all over from Bush policy backlash. They then had massive amounts of primary level changes. That dominoed till today with this nutty republican party that barely has old guard influence.
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u/whereegosdare84 2d ago
I honestly think this is more of a reflection on Schumer’s popularity and just overall ineptitude than anything else.
I’d be curious to see how he fares against simply a “generic democrat” and not anyone in particular.