r/onguardforthee • u/Historical-Basis138 • 2d ago
Many of the Conservatives’ crime policies would be unconstitutional, experts say
https://www.ctvnews.ca/federal-election-2025/article/many-of-the-conservatives-crime-policies-would-be-unconstitutional-experts-say/32
u/TheLinuxMailman 2d ago edited 2d ago
The Cons would rendition citizens to El Salvador and ignore judges' direct orders too?
What's the difference between Conservative crime and organized crime, other than one is organized?
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u/thatirishdave 2d ago
It would be pretty unfair to mob bosses anywhere to describe the Conservatives as organised.
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u/Same_Potential_4864 1d ago
The Cons and Republicans have gas-lit us into accepting their corrupt, mafia-adjacent behaviour to be justified.
Unfortunately, we are now seeking human suffering and cruelty as entertainment in the form of ‘memes’.
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u/JumpyTrucker 2d ago
Reading this article just reinforces my opinion that we need to get rid of the notwithstanding clause .
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u/Mental_Cartoonist_68 2d ago
Thats the thing with Conservatives, theyre not democratic. They dont believe in following laws. Just look at what the Trump administration is doing.
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u/Maleficent_Count6205 2d ago
Pierre needs to go. I’m so tired of his argumentative lying face. Hearing him constantly “we need to verb the noun” is no longer funny, just old and ridiculous. His economic plan is in 3 parts. Hear it? 1. We need to have an immediate plan. 2. We need to have a plan after the election. 3. We need to have a long term plan. Then we can build back better! UGH! How can anyone see/hear that plan and think “man, this guys smart. He definitely know what he’s doing” 🙃
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u/bringoutyourdead5 2d ago
I hear ya. The other day I was talking to my sister and asked her what makes her want to vote for someone like PP and the Conservative party, and the very first words out of her mouth was, "because polievre has a common sense plan, and he's gonna...." and I was just like 😳, you're not seriously regurgitating his tag lines as if they are your own original thoughts?!? I chose to stop engaging at that point. She's mainlining the kool aide and nothing i say is going to change her mind at this point, so shrug.
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u/barkazinthrope 1d ago
The plan is to cut taxes back until government is small enough to drown it in a bathtub.
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u/Fun-Poem2611 1d ago
Reducing taxes isn’t gonna help anyone if you don’t have a job…. Who are all these people who pay so many taxes …. I work FT make decent living and have never owed cra a dime in fact I always get money back….. biggest taxes I pay are municipal to the city I live in for my house and services from the municipality The feds can’t change that !
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u/danby999 Ontario 2d ago edited 2d ago
There's no place to put anyone now.
The jails are full and the courts are backed up like an old man's colon.
Unless he gets the provinces to start building jails this is all just bluster like everything else.
Sadly it works on conservative voters.
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u/hardnuck 1d ago
Jails are not full. If they were full they wouldn't be able to facilitate the continuation of the revolving door. Source: I work in them.
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u/danby999 Ontario 22h ago
Literally the top result from googling "Ontario jail capacity"
8,889 people As of Sept. 30, 2023, there was an average of 8,889 people in provincial jails, well over the then-7,848-person capacity.
Anecdotal experience is not reality
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u/Eli_1988 1d ago
Are we going to make it easier for folks to escape their intimate partner violence scenarios?
Are they going to have housing in place for these people?
Financial and legal support so they can make these reports?
No? Just making sure after these victims are dead, their partner will go to jail.
Nice. Very helpful and will totally stop the issue.
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u/NotEnoughDriftwood Elbows Up! 2d ago
Never dealing with the problems that cause the issues. Upending legal principles instead - a conservative tradition.
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u/jjaime2024 2d ago
I was just on Liberal/R the amount of people that said they will vote for PP if he brings gun rights back scares me.
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u/Glory-Birdy1 2d ago
This "crime" that we keep hearing about is a Conservative manufactured election issue. The only crime I know about is the crime committed by the UCP Party in running the AB gov't.
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u/RottenPingu1 2d ago
They don't care. They'll blame "left wing terrorists and activist judges" when they get taken to court.
JSYK.. Harper wanted up privatize our jail system.
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u/NorthernBudHunter 1d ago
Do people really think PP cares about crime? If he was concerned with the welfare of Canadians he wouldn’t oppose every health and social program that has been introduced.
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u/beached 1d ago
They know, they've talked about using notwithstanding to explicitly violate peoples rights. We know that the police are not always correct, the courts get it wrong sometimes and making that easier is not justice. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/poilievre-notwithstanding-clause-1.7188964
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u/Automatic_Tackle_406 2d ago
Poilievre knows this, which is why he said he will use the notwithstanding clause for judicial reform (and who knows what else).
This should be terrifying to anyone who believes in the rule of law and separation of judicial powers.
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u/Simsmommy1 1d ago
I always hear from conservatives how we are “too lenient” and how all these people need to be locked up….where? Are we gonna start our very own for profit prison system too? To be honest with all the maximum sentences for drug crimes Pollivere wants to keep his “monsters” off the streets it certainly seems like he’s gonna have to…..I mean heck drug treatment and rehabilitation or social programs to prevent poverty? Nah, just lock people up who get to a desperate point in their life and end up in the drug trade, for as long as possible. We couldn’t possibly attempt to model ourselves after Scandinavian systems, who have higher social supports, higher social welfare systems, lower crime as a result and when people do end up in prison there is a focus on rehabilitation and education and not just punishment, and this system reduces recidivism by 50% compared to our prison system.
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u/anemic_royaltea 1d ago
Weird moment, when the US is actively disappearing people, to try and push draconian measures as cool and good, but I guess their target demographic of scared rural voters get off on the ‘right’ people being punished
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u/A-Wise-Cobbler Toronto 1d ago
They’d just override the charter don’t worry and their freedom loving base would cheer it.
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u/thedoodely ✔ I voted! 1d ago
For those too young to remember the Harper years, this is how the party operated. Basically they make some "super tough on crime" legislation which just amounts to putting people in jail for as long as possible, then the Supreme Court declares it unconstitutional after 6-12 months, then wash a repeat.
A plan that gets shot down isn't a plan, it's just a sales pitch from a snake oil salesman.
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u/TheCaMo 2d ago
It's not even just that, it's fucking expensive. Dude wants to lock so many people up for life sentences, which cost over $3M each. This is on top of all the tax cuts while also claiming he will fix the national debt and boost military spending.
But how will he pay for it? Obviously by cutting the programs that actually work to reduce crime by reducing poverty, like the child care programs and others that save families money.
The link between crime and socioeconomic status is very well documented and researched but he expects his voter base to be uninformed because they're too busy actually working to read up on the literature, so he peddles easy solutions to complex problems.