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Canada is far closer to democracy than the United States. So it may not make sense to you and some others, but this is common in countries that are significantly closer to democracy than the United States.
Make sure you copy Canada and OR when before you hit send. We want to over communicate and make sure nothing gets missed. Might want to BCC Wa State just to give them some insight.
Captain Vancouver never got close to Vancouver Washington. The maps from his expedition do not even show the Columbia river, so he couldn't have traveled up it.
He did however meet Spanish ships in Vancouver BC's harbor. If you ever go to Vancouver BC people will still refer to "the Spanish banks" in reference to that meeting.
He and the Spaniards then agreed to co-operate during that mission to explore the coast.
You are correct about the renaming of Granville to Vancouver. That doesn't change that Capt. Vancouver did actually go to the area of modern day Vancouver BC.
Obviously, a place can be named for someone who has never been there, like the entire state of Washington. In Vancouver, WA's case it's just the city and state that are named for people who never visited it in person.
Captain Vancouver bought the maps from Captain Gray of the mythical great river of the west (the Columbia River). He then gave those maps to Captain Broughton who was the second to cross the bar. As was customary of the time he named important geographical markers after people that sponsored the journey and people that worked on the ship. For instance, Mt Hood is also named after a famous naval captain that never saw it.
And the funniest part I know people like this IRL that constantly talk about how the right is made up of morons.
Like...yes, but you're not any better given the shit you believe. Turns out most of the country really is just stupid. Shit, myself included in plenty of ways. I just research my dumb ideas to see if they're feasible before posting them on reddit.
Seriously! If anyone thinks the US is giving up the West Coast without going to literal war is silly. The states dont get a say in the matter. The US would lose money, power, shipping, defense, and so many other assets that are vital to its function. Lets stop with this silly notion.
Even the numbers they mention in the article are completely unimpressive. Oh 29% of The West Coast supports this?
It's a nearly impossible idea to begin with and factor in how little of the population supports it, this would never happen.
Don't get me wrong, I love Canada and I am so fucking sick of the scary shit from Trump's administration, but I think we're pretty much stuck. Our best option is to fight back!
Did you pay attention to his first administration? Even before covid, GDP was dropping, unemployment was skyrocketing, inflation was up, and his trade wars then were spiking the cost of food and goods. Seems awful familiar, doesn't it?
He was significantly hindered in his first administration by appointees, staffers, and others refusing to carry out illegal orders. Project 2025 was all about getting around that this time, and also the SCOTUS has basically said that he can do whatever he wants, illegal or not.
Not sure but in general Canada is not some perfect utopia. Reddit loves to circlejerk and right now “America bad Canada good” is in full swing, but again Canada has a bunch of issues itself
Canadian here. This is true. You’re trading one set of problems for another. We’re also on the brink of “electing” a far right dipshit so, 6 of one, half dozen of the other.
I think folks are coming around. The polling numbers have seen a pretty dramatic shift since the tariff talk. But it will be a very close race. Somehow.
Never going to happen. A state successfully seceding and extricating itself from the federal bureaucratic machine would be next to impossible. The VA, Social Security, Student loans, Medicaid grants, the highway system and God knows what else are all part of the federal government. The only way to get away from the Trump administration is to move to another country.
And U.S. Marines would get to Toronto and decide to defect after being offered Tim Hortons and some poutine for supper with granny the Queen-loving Red Wings fan.
Not to mention the gigantic military presence on the west coast. WA has a nuclear arsenal. The US isn’t letting any of those neighboring states get away.
True, it's hard to say what's going to be left of the VA, the EPA, Social Security and other agencies. No doubt they would love to get rid of the IRS and other agencies but somebody has to be around to redistribute wealth from the bottom 99% to the top 1%.
I don’t wish to join another country. I’d rather we take our country back. Outside of that, I’d support secession along with the rest of the west coast. But I’m an American and I want to keep our nation if at all possible.
I watched a documentary about a Canadian student who had to fly daily to a different province for college because there was no affordable housing near his school 😭 hell nahhhh
I do not want to choose between Trump and my fellow Leftist. Stop trying to sell my state to the North, I love Canadians, I do not want to be a part of their country.
I don’t want to deter anyone from this fantasy. But this whole approach is completely pointless.
Our best path forward is to change our own country. I know it may seem impossible but to some extent I think this idea of escaping our problems by fleeing is what creates the problem.
Save the world trouble, just move there. I've been told Canada 🇨🇦. Beautiful land. Definitely have their own issues.. have no desire to become Canadian. Fine with my own country. There's no need to run away.
I don’t want to be part of Canada. If I did, I would have stayed there when I lived there. I love Canada and Canadians, but don’t want to be one. I’m pretty sure they don’t want half the douchebags that live in Oregon either.
Yeah that 2nd keeps getting wrecked.
Judges and partisan interpretation keep trying to screw the constitution that is only there to limit government, not expand it.
“Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”
LOL. After all this time, we still think this administration is operating from some internally consistent democratic philosophy of fairness?
They’re fascists. That means the rules don’t apply to them. They only apply to their opposition. And they will be twisted to criminalize their opposition.
Guess what we are.
Are we equipped for a fight with the Feds when half our state is Federal land? Think they’re just gonna give up our Pacific coast EEZ without a fight? Think the Greater Idaho folks want to be part of Canada and would go with us instead of starting an internal civil war?
You do realize non-citizens are not allowed to own a house in Canada? If you just move there, you’ll be a dirty foreigner and won’t have the same rights.
So immigration. One of the biggest issues the US left has with conservatives and you want to be part of a different system that has tougher laws then ours?
This is as stupid Texas trying to leave or half of Oregon trying to become Idaho. We fought a fucking war over splitting the country. No state is leaving and no states are joining as one or branching off.
California gdp is high because it’s part of the USA. Take the same people doing the same thing in a different country and you don’t get the same result.
Elizabeth May is a drunk, and has ZERO authority in government. It is like being invited to a club that doesn't exist. You all are going to show up and no one will be there.
I really don’t want to have to move. I’ve lived here my whole life and will continue to for the waterfowl hunting and steelhead fishing. But if an anti gun, carbon taxing government takes over id have to get out
I'd like it, but there's no plausible way to occur. Also, Portland and Seattle might become Vancouver, BC-style expensive if they become too nice of places to live.
Anyway, if it were to happen through means outside civil war, I'm pretty sure you'd need a Constitutional Amendment ratified by 2/3rds of both the House and Senate.
Civil war is the more practical option. You should get a gun (or more guns).
Canadians don't want you. Nothing personal. I'm Canadian, I live in Oregon. I've seen numerous posts and comments from people up there saying the same thing - this idea of the three west coast states joining Canada is a no go. California on it's own has slightly larger, or similar, population to the entire country. Add Oregon and Washington into that and you get a parliament overstuffed with former Americans. Can't see Canada voting to allow that to happen. Sorry.
Some of the highest housing costs in the Americas, about to elect a Trump aligned prime minister, prices are going to much higher than the US on almost all goods, major issues with immigration concerns, foreign money there makes anything in the US look like child’s play. But sure, let’s join.
Unelected Foreign Monarch as Head of State (Chucky 3)?
Unelected Upper House?
You want that?
A distinctly more east coast central government than the one we already have?
Canada is great, I love it. I generally like Canadians a lot, when they aren't patronizing (but a lot of bougie Americans have this problem too).
But they have a lot of their own problems too. I'd love to have universal health care, but I'd rather foster that locally than join any other nation.
These, let's join this or that political entity to align with a political ideology doesn't lead anywhere good. I see it with movement joun Idaho movement too. Why can't you just get along with your neighbor and try and make some effective change at home? Do you think the people in Boise or Ottawa give a damn about what's going on out here?
Ready to pay even more tax AND have your currency devalued even more… and have longer wait times for healthcare? I love Canada, but this just isn’t happening for so so so many reasons lol
I guess someone forgot to tell Canada that there are no blues states just a handful of blue cities that the rest of their states, and the country perhaps, would be happy to be rid of.
Far more Canadians are moving here because it's so bad there.
Their home prices are so high Canada actually has a homeless rate that's 3xs higher than America's and their median income of their wealthiest providence is still lower than the median income or our poorest state.
It's bad, and if Trump's tariffs happen it will crush their economy...77% of their exports come to the US, while 18% of American good go to Canada. That's why Trudeau flew to Marlargo before Trump was even inaugurated.
For the lefties wanting to be Canadian, Trudeau is out the door and will likely be replaced by a conservative.
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