r/oregon 1d ago

Article/News California to Negotiate Trade With Other Countries to Bypass Trump Tariffs

https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-2055414
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u/MtFuzzmore 1d ago

States rights and all, correct?

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u/nivvis 1d ago

This is what they want. They think that by collapsing the fed corpos will be more powerful than states and they can have their “network state” / privatized government.

West coast needs to stand the fuck up. Idk what you name Cali Canada to NY but start coming up with some good ones.

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u/Gregory_Appleseed 1d ago

Let's just name it the Confederate states of America just to fuck with them.

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u/akahaus 1d ago edited 1d ago

Fuck Yeah Rebel Pride and then do a rainbow version of the stars and bars just to watch them shit their pants.

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u/WilNotJr Springdale ->Woodstock 1d ago

But the stars are maple leafs instead.

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u/akahaus 1d ago

🙌🏽

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u/3x3Eyes 1d ago

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u/JustADudeWhoThinks 1d ago

Baja Canada.

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u/Secret_Guide_4006 1d ago

I’d be psyched to live in Baja Canada

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u/squidparkour 1d ago

Dunkelzahn is the only candidate I'll ever endorse.

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u/WalkFirm 1d ago

But everyone is already in America. North, Central, South America. The US doesn’t own the name America. I really wish if they were going to change the Gulf of Mexico they would have names it gulf of americas, not America. It touches all three.

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u/Freakjob_003 1d ago

UCAS is from the Shadowrun tabletop setting, which takes place in a cyberpunk + fantasy dystopian future. The world broke into a mix of megacorporation extraterritoriality zones and smaller nations, one of which is the UCAS.

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u/Long_Read_4028 1d ago

I say we name it the Gulf of Canamexida just to piss off Donnie orange

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u/LordNago 1d ago

Right on chummer

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u/DebbieGlez 1d ago

We need Mexico otherwise what the heck are we gonna eat? Plus I love Mexico.

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u/themomwholiveshere 1d ago

What's the State of Jefferson been up to over there?

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u/refuzeto 1d ago

Nothing. We killed that idea.

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u/DesignerBread4369 1d ago

I would love to see some kind of agreement between west coasts states to work together to operate as independently as possible from DC

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u/ComfortableEven5095 1d ago

But not like this - MAGA's

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u/HellyR_lumon 1d ago

Same with my body my choice: ok to use with vaccines, but god forbid it be a woman’s body.

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u/Critical_Concert_689 1d ago

Same with my body my choice: ok to use with vaccines, but god forbid it be a woman’s body.

...what in the radical revisionist history...

That slogan was used with vaccines, specifically because you were using it to advocate for rights protecting women's bodily integrity, but you failed to extend those same rights to every person in the case of vaccines.

Impressively, you've managed to invert the historical significance of that slogan.

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Fuck me. I'm debating with a 10-day old karma farming account. Why do I do this...

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u/MoreRopePlease 1d ago

Nobody was forced to get a vaccine. I don't understand the argument.

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u/HellyR_lumon 1d ago edited 1d ago

I had to reset my account. Don’t get so upset. I get your logic but unfortunately it infringes on other people’s rights for safety from disease. Were you vaccinated as a child? Did you vaccinate your kids? I’m gonna go with yes because you’re too dumb to understand they MADE vaccines a political issue. And it never was before.

Vaccines protect EVERYONE against a disease, think current measles outbreak in Texas and children dying. If a woman has an abortion it doesn’t affect you. It’s ok to not agree with abortion. The debate will never be settled bc ppl have different beliefs. But that doesn’t give you a right to tell other people what they can believe. GTFOH.

Edit: you must be a man 😂

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u/Critical_Concert_689 1d ago

I'm not upset. I'm resigned. I should know better.

You can argue all you want about the specifics of vaccine efficacy, but it doesn't change the history, purpose, or context behind the use of the slogan itself.

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u/HellyR_lumon 23h ago

I get what you’re saying. You intentionally stole the phrase. Vaccines were only mandated in certain fields like healthcare. Were you forced to get a vaccine personally? Or did you have a choice in the matter ? Thank you for spreading the word of bodily autonomy and choice!!!

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u/BACKCUT-DOWNHILL 1d ago

Not really states are not constitutionally allowed to sign trade deals or tariff each other

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u/sterrre 1d ago

They can still negotiate and make agreements with other nation governments so long as the agreements don't contradict with any federal treaties or policies. And future federal policies preempt state agreements if they come into contradiction.

That's how California was able to do the Quebec cap and trade linkage and win in court.

It's not a economic agreement, they both agree to share emission scaling tools, it is a agreement between two foreign subnation governments.

I'm not sure if tariffs or trade would contradict a federal policy though.

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u/myquealer 1d ago

Presidents are not constitutionally allowed to create tariffs except during national emergencies and only for a limited time. Trump declared a national emergency yesterday based on our trade deficits that have existed for 50 years.

Imagine if congress would do their fcking job for a change....

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u/OldSnuffy 1d ago

They are too busy looting whatever they can

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u/Moon_Noodle 1d ago

I don't think the constitution matters anymore tbh

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u/ZedTheEvilTaco 1d ago

Presidents aren't constitutionally allowed to deport citizens, yet he we are.

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u/BurpelsonAFB 1d ago

Only if an ice agent thinks the individuals tattoos are scary. It’s in the constitution

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u/Rollinco63 1d ago

What citizens have been deported??

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u/ZedTheEvilTaco 1d ago

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u/PresidentTroyAikman 1d ago

Not a citizen, but still fucked up. Fuck Donald Trump.

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u/Rollinco63 1d ago

Nothing in that article classifies him as a citizen!!

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u/ZedTheEvilTaco 1d ago

You're right. My bad. "Legally protected person living in the United States granted sanctuary by the court."

Doesn't quite roll of the tongue as well though, does it.

Go lick a Nazi boot.

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u/Rollinco63 1d ago

More insults!! The tactic of the one with no valid argument!!

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u/ZedTheEvilTaco 1d ago

I never insulted you. I told you what to do. You seem set on doing it, so it was my way of saying "goodbye."

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u/youandican 1d ago

Wake up and smell the coffee. Guess you missed it because you had your head planted somewhere it should be.

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u/Rollinco63 1d ago

So, no evidence to prove the claim just insults?? Typical!!

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u/youandican 18h ago

Guess you are to lame to google it for yourself and find out.

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u/Rollinco63 18h ago

I didn’t make the claim that citizens have been deported so it isn’t mine to prove!! I also don’t need to google it because no citizens have been deported.

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u/youandican 18h ago

Easy to live in denial. Even easier to want someone else to prove that you have your head somewhere it should never be. Live in ignorance, it is bliss.

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u/Rollinco63 16h ago

Still nothing to show any citizens were deported!! Just typical liberal innuendo!!

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u/OldSnuffy 1d ago edited 1d ago

They were not "citizens"...they were not just worker bee types....they were illegal, gangbanging ,M13 type that were the worst of the worst lawbreakers .and in all cases convicted criminals...some with criminal records here . Oh. Look at the patriot act, He hasn't even scratched the surface of the power the congress has gave him. Be careful, you have no Idea the power it had given him,

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u/ZedTheEvilTaco 1d ago

They literally deported a protected individual with no gang ties at all, had not been convicted, and did not go to trial. He is in an El Salvadorian prison right now and is innocent. The Trump administration then admitted they did it on accident but can't bring him back because the courts have no jurisdiction in El Salvador. https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/judge-hearing-arguments-deportation-maryland-man-el-salvador/story%3fid=120491918

But hey, lick his boots harder. I'm sure it'll help you sleep at night when the economy dips hard enough that bread costs $10 due to the tariffs he enacted.

EDIT: Also, SOME with criminal record? Should people in prison be... Idk... CRIMINALS?

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u/OldSnuffy 1d ago edited 1d ago

If you knew me, you would know how foolish your statements are ,and be (hide your face) embarrassed. Regardless of their "protected " Status The man is not Protected by the basis of law....He came here Illegally ..He.broke,the.law. He was deported.Get in line.This is my wifes attitude,(a mexican by birth,came here legally 40 years ago) and mine.(Native Oregonian American)

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u/serpentjaguar 1d ago

They still ought to have some kind of due process. It's the American way. Besides, illegal immigration is a civil as opposed to criminal offense. Granted, they aren't entitled to the same protections as US citizens, but neither should they be treated as criminals.

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u/OGtrippwire 1d ago

Ah a pull the ladder type, they'll come for her too eventually. And hopefully sooner rather than later and saves someone else with a less idiot attitude. The Constitution protects everyone who resides here. Not citizens. Undocumented, criminal, legal, whatever, they're supposed to be under the constitution. But judging by your word vomit you're one of those that hates the constitution. Please move to Idaho.

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u/OldSnuffy 1d ago

Why? I am a native born Oregonian ,and my family has been here for 6 generations Mister ,and I dislike "newbies" making noises about my political opinions...when they haven't got a clue about them .I think the interpretation of who is covered by the constitution very much depends on whose court your sitting in...My wife is well known to the political system here and especially the judges and fears no racist asshats.

How about you stop trying to "californicate" oregon and understand there is a whole lot of people here who dont care for your brand of political BS. Its called live and let live ....but bottum line is be legal or be gone

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u/ZedTheEvilTaco 1d ago

Congratulations. He was given a protected status by.the.court. This means deporting him was.illegal. Trump.broke.the.law. Repeatedly.

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u/OldSnuffy 1d ago

If he was treated poorly by this administration, let him present his case in the appropriate court...and wish him good luck if he is treated the same way trump was

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u/ZedTheEvilTaco 1d ago

He literally can't present his case because he was deported without due process, another thing that is illegal. And now, because we have no jurisdiction over the prison he was sent to, we can't get him back.

It's like you aren't even listening.

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u/OldSnuffy 1d ago edited 1d ago

When you realize most of the countries voters and citizens support Trumps actions in this matter, you will learn a hard truth. Elections have consequences. I really understand how young you are when you speak those words...I said them when I was in my teens and twenties....but I am looking 70 in the face ,and have seen enough to know how foolish you are (and I was).Honestly I Don't Care about this guy...I care about open boarders where the lowest of the low flood in from countries where the law comes out Gunbarrel and they think we are easy Pickens. Look at Europe now.

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u/OldSnuffy 1d ago

Actually I stopped caring when He was Identified as a Illegal .I am now officially suffering from compassion fatigue. The world really is a nasty shithole, which most folks here in the USA don't have a clue about...unless they have "been there and done that". I am that terrible word "Isolationist" ...what we do by opening the floodgates (like Biden did )was to make sure the labor pool of those who live here is dilated with cheap help... it depresses the value of everyone's labor when you flood the country .I care about my grandson & granddaughter (for the record their name is Garcia) I honestly feel It would be better to raise the standard of living for americans than spending our time and treasure ( Read my tax money) on other countries whom hate our culture and would quite cheerfully destroy it in a heartbeat

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u/audaciousmonk 1d ago

The constitution that the president, GOP, and red states haven’t been following for years?

That one?

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u/valencia_merble 1d ago

Laughs in republican

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u/serpentjaguar 1d ago

They definitely can't tariff each other, but there are many ways to implement something that functions like a trade deal while still obeying the letter of the law. States do it all the time. The DoJ can of course challenge any such arrangement in the courts, but I don't have a lot of faith in their competence under Bondi.

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u/Necessary_Salad1289 1d ago

The federal gov also has very little leverage over California. Biggest donor state by a huge margin (3:1 VS the runner up, New Jersey). The rest of the country is basically California's little bitch. 

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u/monkeychasedweasel 1d ago

Read the US Constitution, and you will discover it is not at all. The Commerce Clause is pretty clear that states cannot engage in their own international trade.

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u/sur_surly 1d ago

If the president doesn't have to read or follow the Constitution and our established laws, why should California?

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u/Sardukar333 1d ago

That's the trouble with rules; if you stop following them eventually no one does.

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u/Mathwards 1d ago

It also says Congress has the power to decide how money is spent, and that funding allocated by Congress can only be rescinded by Congress, but that hasn't stopped Trump and Musk from just doing whatever they want anyway.

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u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 1d ago

Yeah with Trump wanting to withhold federal money from blue states, while the blue states are net payers of said money, eventually the blue states will just say fuck you we are doing our own thing then.

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u/Own_Mission8048 1d ago

Article I. Section 10: "No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

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u/WiseFerret 1d ago

or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay."

Such as not receiving the congressionally approved FEMA funds?? If the Feds aren't upholding their promises to the states, the states aren't going to have much choice in finding alternative, legal or not. These are things that keep society civil and without them, it's miserable chaos.

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u/IKnowGuacIsExtraLady 1d ago

Yeah that last line seems like identical reasoning for why Trump is able to impose the tariffs. Seems to me if he can illegally fabricate a fake emergency to do that, then states who are going to suffer a very real economic emergency from the tariffs should be able to to the same.

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u/passionatebreeder 1d ago

You don't actually understand states rights, clearly, since states rights would fall under the 10th amendment, which says any powers not expressly granted to the federal government are given to the states or to the people.

International trade is expressely given to the federal government, not to the states, in the constitution. Specifically article I section VIII, and congress has given some of that power by law to the president for the purposes of fulfilling his article II powers to engage inn foreign policy, negotiate treaties, and alliances, in behalf of the United States.

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u/Necessary_Salad1289 1d ago

And what happens if California ignores the constitution?

What is Trump going to do? 

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u/passionatebreeder 1d ago

The same thing Lincoln did the last time democrats tried to secede I suppose.

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u/Chameleon_coin 1d ago

Yep, and international deal making like that sure ain't in it