Feels like that from here, too. I think a lot of Americans are realizing only too late the damage that's been done. My only solace is that elections in the US aren't federalized, so it's hard for Musk/Trump to rig the election: they can do an immense amount of damage with voter registrations, propaganda, etc. as they did in '24, and even moreso because they'll control all the levers of power.
It's actually pretty easy for them to rig an election. All they have to do is mess with the coding on voter machines in some key areas in swing states. They literally did exactly that in November.
For the Federal Government to be truly accountable to the American people, officials who wield vast executive power must be supervised and controlled by the people’s elected President.
Then in definitions:
“(b) “Agency,” unless otherwise indicated, means any authority of the United States that is an “agency” under 44 U.S.C. 3502(1), and shall also include the Federal Election Commission.
Democrats are filing a lawsuit against it at the moment, but you'll have to see how that goes.
In any case, the delusion is fucking wild. My partner knows a few conservatives and she told me she talked to one of them a few days ago who is just now becoming appalled at Trump, saying he's gone too far. Too fucking little too fucking late.
I don't think Musk rigged the election in the sense of changing votes, but he sure rigged it with propaganda pushed at everyone possible, and Republican voter suppression took care of a lot of the rest.
There's a lot pointing to it though. Musk is on record saying if Trump doesn't win he's going to prison, Trump thanked Musk for his voting machine that won a couple key states, and Musk's kid shield constantly blurts out things like, "you're not the president", or "they'll never know!" which is all shit he's heard the adults around him saying. Awful fucking fishy.
I mean, did your alarm bells not ring when Trump himself said that Musk won him PA with his “vote counting computers”? did they not ring a bit that they won every swing state? That Trump said for months that people didn’t need to vote?
Sounds to me like you never left reddit during the campaigns... it was blatantly obvious Harris wasn't going to carry rural PA.
Get out and meet people and you might understand.
Again, same stupid shit MAGA was on about after Biden won? Show me proof of a rigged election. Preferably through a court case... same standard I held last time, or should we lower the bar massively cause it's "not my guy" that won this time?
Personally I think that’s why MAGA made such a big deal out of it in 2020 so level headed people like yourself would feel uncomfortable saying the same in 2024.
Put it this way - if they could, would they?
Also I’m from England so I can’t exactly go out to rural PA I’m afraid
Also I’m from England so I can’t exactly go out to rural PA I’m afraid
Which is why youre pretending tiktok videos are "proof" of anything. Which again, was the literal MAGA playbook 4 years ago ironically.
Put it this way - if they could, would they?
Same can be said about each side sadly. Thinking one side is "pure" or anything like it is woefully naive...
Personally I think that’s why MAGA made such a big deal out of it in 2020 so level headed people like yourself would feel uncomfortable saying the same in 2024.
Yeah, if they hadn't had so many batshit insane takes back 4 years ago, I would have been much more likely to parrot the same kind of batshit insane takes now... that makes sense? Or maybe I prefer some level of proof rather than parroting batshit insane takes... crazy, I know. Lol
Yeah that’s a perfectly reasonable take. I don’t disagree - vibes and videos of them talking about it in a very dodgy way are not enough - but we’ll see if more comes out.
Except only one party had their president deliberately call on supporters to storm the capitol and stop the certification of the results. Only one proceeded to have their presidential nominee campaign over the next 4 years saying it's an absolute fact that the election was stolen from him, and that he and his supporters must have revenge. Only one gave a blanket pardon to these supporters after breaking into the capitol, and in numerous cases assaulting capitol police in brutal ways.
This repeated claim of "But Democrats WOULD do all of these blatantly unethical things Republicans have excitedly done without any sense of shame or any chance of apologizing for their absurd behavior! They just haven't yet!" after years and years pass, and Republicans do another thing Democrats have never even suggested doing, and years pass, and another thing, and the same bullshit justification is trotted out yet again? And that's what it amounts to, plain and simple. Just regurgitating "Well it doesn't really matter, because both sides would do an authoritarian power grab by refusing the election results!" is essentially saying that means it's okay. It's holding water for Trump or whatever Republican wants to throw a tantrum to remain in power.
The Democrat Party are not saints. That does not magically mean they're hypothetically exactly the same on a moral basis, when entire decades pass, and we still have yet to see an example of Democrats doing the same thing as you confidently claim they totally would. Guess they're just waiting their turn, forever.
I was referring to stealing an election for the most part, and if either could they would. You turned it into some sort of morality contest and used the joke that was Jan 6th as context for something far worse than it actually was. Case in point, if Jan 6th was actually more than just a circus act, Donald likely would have never had a chance with the American people again.
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English here, it’s catastrophic. Plenty here don’t even think you’ll have a free and fair midterm/2028. Feels like America is over.