r/politics • u/mintaphil • Mar 05 '25
Soft Paywall In just five days, Trump has set the country back nearly 100 years
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u/Impossible_Rip7785 Foreign Mar 05 '25
The real value of America, at least in the eyes of foreigners, is its reliability and stability. You could always rely on the USA honouring its contracts, treaties and deals.
Now it’s a guessing game. What one administration agrees on can be ignored or dismantled by another. Treaties entered into with one admin can be worth nothing after 4 or 8 years.
It’s only a matter of time until USA loses its dollar supremacy.
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Mar 05 '25
Yes, in fact agreements that TRUMP made in his first term are being torn up by TRUMP in his second term.
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u/Short-Ticket-1196 Mar 05 '25
And people are still trying to negotiate.
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u/3suamsuaw Mar 05 '25
It is buying time. You don't decouple from the US in a weeks time. Thats the nasty thing about someone like Trump, he will probably not be around to feel all the consequences of his actions.
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u/Ferelar New Jersey Mar 05 '25
Yeah, if elections DO still occur and anyone opposing Trump wins, the damage will likely start to be felt in THEIR term, and so stupid shortsighted people will blame THEM and not the originator. The real issue is the sheer abundance we have of stupid shortsighted people.
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u/BeltOk7189 Mar 05 '25
Not only that but if the new administration were to be completely honest with the public, stating outright that the problems they’re dealing with were created by their predecessors and that they are in the process of cleaning up the mess, the GOP would immediately spin it as an attack not just on the previous administration, but on the voters who put them in power.
It’s the same reason Democrats can’t openly say that one of the biggest reasons they lost wasn’t the economy, Harris, Biden, or any of the other reasons that gets discussed ad nauseum. It was propaganda. Acknowledging that means admitting that many voters (or non-voters) were misled, and no one wants to hear that. People don’t want to be told they were fooled or insinuated that they were idiots. They don’t want to confront the idea that they were the ones who fell for it. Even when it's the truth, saying it outright is self-sabotage.
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u/Jack-o-Roses Mar 05 '25
To deceive a man, you need to overcome his intelligence; to make him admit he was deceived, you need to overcome his pride… which is much more difficult !
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u/TheBman26 Mar 05 '25
This is why Pride is considered a sin. Sometimes people need to hear they were fooled. It’s dumb that we worry about it and can’t deal with our failures. I didn’t vote trump ever but my god sometimes we all make mistakes or are misled. It’s called growth. I’m so tired of people refusing to feel what needs to be felt to grow.
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u/BeltOk7189 Mar 05 '25
I've noticed this a lot in real life, even in broader terms. People are bad at failing. They’re bad at making mistakes. And they’re especially bad at admitting them.
I see it constantly at work. I deal with a lot of people who have messed up, and most of the time, it’s not a big deal. What fascinates me is how often people use a passive voice when bringing up a mistake. In simple terms, they say things like "This happened" instead of "I did this". There’s no risk of getting in trouble or losing their job. Nothing is at stake except their pride.
It’s almost disarming when someone just comes to me and plainly says, "I messed up and need help."
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u/Vast-Fortune-1583 Mar 05 '25
Harris lost because Musk bought this election. Period.
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u/TheRealBittoman Mar 05 '25
the damage will likely start to be felt in THEIR term, and so stupid shortsighted people will blame THEM and not the originator
This is what Republicans have been doing for years as a way to paint Dems as the bad ones.
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u/RandomMandarin Mar 05 '25
Negotiations with greedy men like Trump or Putin are ongoing, continuous, constantly changing and being renegotiated... the terms are never set in stone... until they have everything and you have nothing.
Then the negotiation is over, never to be revisited, and set in stone.
The only correct strategy is never negotiate with them. They are terrorists.
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u/PausedForVolatility Mar 05 '25
You absolutely do negotiate with terrorists. It’s a big standard counter insurgency tactic. If you can resolve some of their grievances, you reduce their support and make your job easier. Crisis negotiators negotiate with terrorists (domestic and foreign) all the time. It’s literally their job. There are whole teams that specialize in this very thing.
What makes this weird is that negotiating with terrorists is historically more successful than negotiating with people like Trump and Putin. They’re more trustworthy. An agreement with someone like Putin is only good as long as he wants it to be; an agreement with Kata’ib Hezbollah is somehow more reliable. Which is a wild thing to say.
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u/qwertyalguien Mar 05 '25
They are just buying time. It's impossible to just shift out of nowhere without a big economic hit (or outright collapse). And no other world leader has a cult backing them that will just close their eyes, cober their ears, snd pretend everything is fine because they're told so.
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u/GildedAgeV2 Mar 05 '25
Well ... Putin kinda does. Not a coincidence, it turns out.
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u/FoolOnDaHill365 Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25
Not a coincidence at all. MAGA will be living in a culvert eating dog shit in the reddest county in the country and they will still blame liberals.
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u/Aggressive-Motor2843 Mar 05 '25
No foreign country believes a word out of Trump’s mouth. Whether it will be successful or not they understand that “negotiating” with a man like this is just to buy time to diversify trade and increase defence spending.
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u/TheFinalBossMTG Mar 05 '25
“Who made these deals? They’re so bad.” LOL
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u/berger3001 Mar 05 '25
So far gone that he doesn’t recognize his own damn signature. Idiot
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u/Anxious_Claim_5817 Mar 05 '25
Yes, he renegotiated NAFTA now he doesn't like his own agreement.
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u/Newleafto Mar 05 '25
I recall him saying that the trade deal he signed with Canada and Mexico in his first term was: “the greatest trade deal ever signed in history. People are saying they have never seen a better trade deal, and they’re right…”.
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u/ADhomin_em Mar 05 '25
Reneging on contracts, promises, and agreements is a trump staple. He wouldn't be trump if he didn't consistently do so.
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u/cen_fath Mar 05 '25
Oh, that's dead and gone now. There is a groundswell here in the EU of breaking ties with the US and a massive spend in military & weapons. There is no going back, you cannot be trusted any more. What Trumpers cannot see is that you are so severely weakened by this. Your allies are gone, your military bases in the EU are gone - no one wants you. Russia will do exactly what Harris said and eat you for breakfast. It's over. Why the fuck aren't you fighting for your lives right now??
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u/ZantetsukenX Mar 05 '25
Why the fuck aren't you fighting for your lives right now??
Mostly because for the vast majority (over 90%+) of people living in America, almost nothing has changed yet. It's best to think of the Trumb administration as an earthquake that happened (and is still happening) way off shore which is going to produce a tsunami that will eventually hit. Some people live on the shore and absolutely are going to be decimated if they don't start making changes (the poor/destitute/sick). Some people are close to the shore and will definitely be affected once the tsunami makes landfall but will probably be able to survive through it (majority of people). Some people are fairly far inland and will only be indirectly affected by it (probably mostly white people with good savings and no debt). And some people are living on a mountain and will not be affected by it much at all outside of watching everything happen (the rich mostly fit here).
The media is complicit in not sounding alarms to warn people of what is coming. The government bodies that were put in place to help prevent tsunami damage (i.e. levees built over time) have mostly been hollowed out and have no actual power to do anything. But they still look like they are in place to most people and so anyone screaming "Run for the hills, a tsunami is going to kill us all" ends up just looking like a crazy person screaming about the sky falling.
So to go back to the original comment of "Why aren't people fighting for the lives yet?"... Until the water starts hitting people's feet, you won't see any form of MASS action taken by large groups of people. And as we all know from history, that is generally at a point where it's too late to do anything as it means the tsunami is there and will soon cover everything with water.
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u/InsuranceToTheRescue I voted Mar 05 '25
It definitely illustrates the helplessness that those who disagreed with the nazis felt as they watched their country get swallowed by extremism. It doesn't help that social media is the driving factor in dividing us. It's the greatest tool of propaganda mankind has ever created and it's being wielded against the citizenry before we've had a chance to collectively stop it with regulations and government action.
It's very difficult. I think that running on a message like that, regulating social media to stop disinformation and division so we can save ourselves, would be a winning one that does a lot of good, but social media is the place to get your message out now. It's not going away. So how do you spread that and get support when Zuck or Elmo can just order an engineer to silently and clandestinely change the algorithm to silence you?
Hank Green had a video a while back where he drew some parallels with media revolutions and the rise of populism. The two examples he gave were radio and the printing press and how populism ("the people" vs "them") starts as a marketing strategy but problems really start when populism becomes the policy. It grows when the critiques of institutions are deserved, and the critiques of media and an unresponsive government are. With the printing press, Martin Luther started handing out pamphlets to spread his populist message. The Catholic church was very deserving of the criticisms and the Protestant Reformation did eventually lead to the Catholic church reforming itself to address those. It also led to 300 years of religious wars, costing the lives of millions, as well as widespread pogroms & lynchings of Jews due to Martin Luther's populist antisemitism.
I agree with Hank. Will we be able to come out the other side of this media revolution in a few decades? Or will we be killing each other for centuries over minute differences while we're steered by shadowy algorithms that direct our collective ire?
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u/Link50L Mar 05 '25
It's January 30, 1933 brother. We have only limited time remaining.
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u/Fatdap Washington Mar 05 '25
It's the greatest tool of propaganda mankind has ever created and it's being wielded against the citizenry before we've had a chance to collectively stop it with regulations and government action.
We didn't even try because our country is being run by people who can barely run an Outlook account.
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u/InsuranceToTheRescue I voted Mar 05 '25
The issue is that there's not enough political pressure there. We, as in the public, don't have an idea cemented in our minds of what social media as an institution should be and what regulations should look like. That makes it hard to gain support. Additionally, like I mentioned before, you're basically relying on the goodwill of the people you're trying to regulate in hoping they won't stamp out your message.
For regulations, how do you do it without trampling free speech? Where does the line lie? Personally, I think that section 230 already qualifies social media sites for regulation, but many would disagree.
For reference, section 230 is what makes a site not liable for what others post on it. It's why facebook/reddit/whoever doesn't get sued if someone finds something illegal on there like CSAM. That's very important for the internet, but the limitation is that they're not liable as long as they're not editorializing. A newspaper editor chooses what to show you, so that paper is liable for what they put in it. I would argue that since social media websites are now using algorithms to actively choose what to show you, instead of timelines or something based on user chosen topics, that they are in fact editorializing - Each person's feed is its own "newspaper" that has been edited and filtered for what that site decides to show you. I think they should have to bear the responsibility of the damage that causes, or go back to non-algorithmic feeds that don't actively filter content for you.
That seems to me like a very simple, prudent, and practical way to fix the biggest problems with the institution. However, there are plenty of people who see that as an unacceptable compromise and don't believe there should be any regulations on social media or only see the seeds of government controlling available news.
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u/cen_fath Mar 05 '25
Great visual in that explanation. It makes sense in a way, but, it is utterly infuriating!! I'm screaming about this shit and I'm not facing anything like you guys are about to experience!! How are people not bursting out of their skin right now!
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u/marshinghost Mar 05 '25
I mean, plenty of us are prepared for it. The thing about this sort of stuff is everything proceeds as normal until it suddenly doesn't. Just yesterday I took inventory of all my food, water, ammunition and survival equipment.
When a systemic collapse happens (very likely) it will get very ugly very fast.
I remember hearing about a Serbian woman who was in the Yugoslavian collapse and what startled her the most about it was that everything was just life as usual until she woke up one morning to machinegun fire.
That's how I imagine it'll be for most Americans, because I'd wager about 2/3rds of my fellow Americans are completely out of touch with politics. They won't realize that shit is hitting the fan until it's splattered across their room.
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u/Damn_Dog_Inappropes Washington Mar 05 '25
I have started stockpiling shelf stable goods and foods. It’ll probably get my husband and I through 6 months if we’re careful. However, we likely will have more people to take care of, so we will continue to stockpile.
We need to get some firearms though. I literally never thought I’d say that. I have no internet in guns, and the few times I’ve been to the range it was okay but not something I fell in love with. But we live in a purple area of Seattle, and it could get dicey here.
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u/Federal_Camel2510 Mar 05 '25
It's hard to downplay how genuinely 1/3rd of the population believes everything he says. I experienced this with my own family and circle of friends. If you push them to explain their reasoning, it falls apart under close scrutiny. His own supporters do not think that far ahead.
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u/DaveCerqueira Mar 05 '25
My friends keep asking me what does it have to do with me, why i care so much about what trump and Elon say/do. I’m a white European young guy with savings, family money and no debt. I will probably never feel the repercussions of any fascist regime, but it breaks my heart that no one has any empathy for minorities or have no idea how that would affect them. Even my gf asked me the other day about this, and I gave her some examples how some of her medication would not be monetarily covered by the state and how her reproductive choices would be undermined severely (we plan on not having children). Even gave her an example about how my own mother had to perform 2 abortions 2 years after i was born for health reasons and how she would not be able to do it if trump had his way. Some people really are clueless about the whole thing.
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u/TCsnowdream Foreign Mar 05 '25
To add onto this tsunami metaphor…
We are at the point where the water has receded drastically into the ocean… and the chuckfuck voters of Trump are ecstatic that ‘there’s so much more beach real estate now’ and go out and play in the newly exposed beach.
Completely unaware that they’re in the most deadly spot of all.
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u/csw Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25
This is a good metaphor, except it leaves out that some people are rooting for the tsunami to hit others, either to cause them pain, get rid of them for good, or to snap up the leftovers for profit.
Edit: added a missing word.
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u/Bennely Mar 05 '25
Yes, this is a fantastic analogy. Well described, and I intend on using this in conversation.
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u/yoyo120 Canada Mar 05 '25
The absolutely terrifying thing is that once everyone else outright rejects America and shit hits the fan, their citizens will be looking for someone to blame and I don't have faith anymore that the target will be their own government. It's going to be Canada for "turning off our power" or "starving us of potash". Then it's full out invasion.
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u/F3z345W6AY4FGowrGcHt Mar 05 '25
All you need is a handful of top ranking military in the states to see that for what it is and you have a civil war.
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u/colinjcole Mar 05 '25
A US civil war would be far better for humanity than a US/Russia vs Europe WW3.
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u/KrivUK Mar 05 '25
Don't forget sleepy Joe Biden, who was asleep al the time yet also made decisions making him the worst President of all time and causing the stock market to tumble under Trumps watch because of the dark state and DEI or something.
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u/trixster87 Mar 05 '25
cause all our media is basically propaganda/state media now. The masses arent on reddit or reading news, they are getting sound bites on social media and influencers...
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Mar 05 '25
Why the fuck aren't you fighting for your lives right now??
What does this look like to you? People are organizing and protesting. People are putting their freedom (and sometimes lives) at risk to speak out. Should we start assassinating sitting members of Congress? Firebomb SCOTUS homes? The president just said he would be arresting protesters. He would force schools to expel students. More than half of us are living paycheck to paycheck, with the economy on the brink of collapse. Most of us have families that depend on us. Livelihoods getting destroyed to march in the street.
It's one thing to say "why aren't you fighting for your lives rn?" because you're the not the one going to get their head knocked in by a cop, detained for weeks or months, or end up on the street during winter; that has 0 impact on anything going by performing for a camera.
I'm on probation. I get arrested, I go to jail. My dog ends up in a shelter. Everything I have gets taken. My mom is in a nursing home on Medicaid, so my family and I will be directly affected by the insanity going on. I'm trying to hold on to what little I have, and yet I still show up when I can.
So tell me, what would you do? What does "fighting for your life" look like in America? I donate to causes. I try to help organize. I show up for local protests. What more would you have anybody in the same position do?
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u/118746 Mar 05 '25
Seriously, this. There are many people who are fighting it but right now it doesn’t seem to be doing much. I’d love to know what else we could be doing.
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u/p001b0y Mar 05 '25
This link on Forbes lists many of the court cases that have been filed against the Trump Administration and the status of them.
There are a lot of fights going on and protests but they are under-reported in relation to the high number of FAFO and LAMF posts. I’ve seen more posts on Reddit about that Trump supporting Park Ranger who lost her job than Trump’s 14th Amendment court loss, for example.
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u/evenphlow Mar 05 '25
No offense to them but europeans really just have no concept of a) the size of this country and difficulty centralizing a movement and b) the baked in repercussions of these actions that most Americans literally cant afford to risk
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
I live in the 2nd largest city in Ohio. We have 350k+ people. 290k of them are adults, ~60k are seniors and I'm not expecting seniors to go out in the cold/rain. That's 230k left. The median income is $37k. That's barely enough to live on. That leaves about 115k barely making ends meet. 37% of them have children at home who depend on them. that's about 70k people who make enough to barely survive and dont have children depending on them; within 83sq miles.
I get that big shows of protest look great on the media, but they literally dont give a shit. The head of the RNC already told reps to cancel townhalls.
We're not here to please Europeans' idea of effective government resistance. Maybe that shit works in France. It doesnt work here.
Edit: this also doesn't include those who voted for trump, which is about 34% of the county. That leaves around 45k people (without other considerations) that could protest.
I'll go even further. 16% of people in the county are disabled. So now we're down to barely 40,000. So around 10% of the total population could protest. That doesn't include those on probation either, who could very well see jail time if arrested
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u/evenphlow Mar 05 '25
Personally i think we should just carve this shit up. We will never be “united” again as much as it pains me to say.
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u/teamhae Mar 05 '25
Plus they have no idea what it's like to have your healthcare tied to the job that you will lose if you protest and get arrested. We have no social safety net like other countries have.
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u/soulstormfire Europe Mar 05 '25
In our defense: It's really hard if you have Ukrainian and Egyptian friends who've had revolutions under much worse conditions.
Not saying it's easy for you, it clearly isn't.
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u/dcastro51 Mar 05 '25
People living paycheck by paycheck, paying bills and buying overpriced groceries. No time to fight.
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u/Icy-Lobster-203 Mar 05 '25
Once the economy crashes,. people lose their jobs, and declare bankruptcy, Americans will have tons if time.
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u/stomp-a-fash Mar 05 '25
The mere fact that the United States Government apparatus allowed trump to not just run again but take office proves that the country is fucking dead.
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u/DonkeyPunchCletus Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25
Now it’s a guessing game.
It's not actually a guessing game. If a democrat government made a deal, you can be ASSURED that the next repoublican president will call this deal awful, will call the president a moron and will immediately unwind it.
Paradoxically this is a problem for the DEMOCRATS. Because republican deals, if they are doing their job, aren't simply going to be canceled by democrats. Yet everything the democrats do will be undone out of principle. Which means other countries can't work with democrats at all.
As other people point out Trump is also such a moron that he tears up his own deals because he got swindled LOL. What a shitshow.
America had a good run but europe has to take up the mantle of the free world now. Because Trump and Republicans said they don't want it anymore! They simply said "we're good, somebody else can be world leader now".
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u/skr_replicator Mar 05 '25
With the current one, any treaties made and agreed on today can be dismantled tomorrow, and it dones't seem to be going to get better in next 4 years...
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u/Spicy_Weissy Mar 05 '25
End of the decade the Euro or the Yuan will probably be the world standard currency.
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u/starlordbg Europe Mar 05 '25
As an Eastern European, (I say this because Europe is usually more criticised in the Eastern countries and not in vain tbh), I really hope that our leaders make the best out of this and the EU and Europe as a whole will become the new US, so to speak.
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u/Halivan Mar 05 '25
The US will become Argentina.
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u/Thorrbane Mar 05 '25
I doubt it. I think it'll become Yugoslavia.
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u/Halivan Mar 05 '25
I was thinking about it in a way such as a country that defaulted on their debt and their currency being completely unstable.
But Yugoslavia is a good analogy as well. A bunch of ethnic groups that hated one another held together until it all went boom. I think the red/blue divide in the US is irreconcilable at this point.
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u/InsuranceToTheRescue I voted Mar 05 '25
The thing is, those divides are pretty evenly distributed geographically. It's urban vs rural instead of a North vs South type situation. Cities in deep red states still tend to vote for dems and rural areas in the most leftwing, liberal states still tend to vote GOP. I think we're in for something more like The Troubles: A series of sporadic and escalating domestic terrorist attacks against each side.
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u/nelessa Mar 05 '25
It’s exactly what someone like Putin wants. The Balkanization of America the same way the Soviet Union was.
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u/Ill-Team-3491 Mar 05 '25
American federal institutions were the envy of the world. Americans are the libertarian house cat who is dependent on a system they don't appreciate or understand. The time has run out for poor kitty who doesn't realize its free ride is over even though the house is already being demolished around him.
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u/frzned Mar 05 '25
This is a story I told time and time agaon
Here in 3rd world country, when Obama arrived, we welcomed him like a hero, people flocks the streets, he held a seminar and we had young people literally asked Obama face to face to restore human rights to our country as everyone perceived America as the strongest country in the world. A symbol of peace and righteousness.
A few years later, after Trump took office, he visited our country, we laughed at his shit and all we talked about is how are we gonna feed the herd of pigs coming from America.
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u/kung-fu_hippy Mar 05 '25
Hell, what one administration agree on can be ignored or dismantled by that same administration. Canada and Mexico are currently dealing with Trump ripping up the trade agreement that he himself insisted needed to be made last time he was in office.
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u/Kantsas Mar 05 '25
Let’s be honest, it’s the entire Republican Party.
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u/Zealousideal_Lie_383 Mar 05 '25
I often hear my very right wing maga brother and his pals spouting. In general, the idea of setting “the country back nearly 100 years” is what they seek. They don’t use those precise words, but it is their comfort zone. A time when “men were men. Women were at home. Elbow grease valued more than education. Hunting & fishing were cornerstone of existence. Immigrants were hardworking Christian Europeans”. And other such nonsense.
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u/TheOgrrr Mar 05 '25
Have they tried having the women at home? I remember when it was a choice. Now you have to have both parents working full time, if one parent isn't actually working two jobs just to make rent and put food on the table.
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u/Warning_Low_Battery Mar 05 '25
Also, where will they be able to hunt and fish if SCOTUS allows business to dump raw sewage into lakes and waterways, and POTUS just allowed for logging on national forest land?
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u/nakedonmygoat Mar 05 '25
Hey, they want those golden handcuffs! If the wife can't work, then they have to work constantly and live in terror of losing their job, even if they hate it, because without that job, they lose everything. What a win for da mens!
/s for anyone who can't tell.
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u/ImOutWanderingAround Mar 05 '25
Wait til all of their elbow grease jobs are replaced by robotics and ai. What kind of existence will they achieve without the education? They don’t see what the future holds for them. It’s a psychotic nostalgia episode they are having.
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u/Jorsonner Pennsylvania Mar 05 '25
It’s a reactionary movement against a world they don’t understand and which doesn’t provide a good life for them. They don’t know what the answer is, but they know that whatever is going on hasn’t worked out for them.
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u/SecularMisanthropy Mar 05 '25
That sums up the entire problem on that side of political spectrum quite well. People who don't understand what's happening and have no solutions to the problems we face thinking they have to take over. Force everyone to declare the problems beyond comprehension and unsolvable so they never have to know the solutions were simple and obvious and plentiful if they'd simply had the humility to go find out.
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u/MonkeyMercenaryCapt Mar 05 '25
Elbow grease valued more than education, while consuming propaganda on their smart phone on a wireless network and using all the other amenities the modern world has to offer.
These chuds couldn't survive with the sheer amount of hand-holding done.
Oh man you work in the trades, 100 years ago you got hurt congrats you are now homeless or dead.
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u/Durion23 Mar 05 '25
I really think this is they very reason why apocalypse movies and tv shows are almost always profitable. A lot of these type of people are propelled in a fictional world, where they think they’d survive and are valuable to no end.
It’s kinda sad that they miss the point that, if putting in some work in themselves, they can be valuable to no end in reality as well.
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u/set_trippin Mar 05 '25
There essentially is no Republican party. The Republican party was compromised by a fascist party called MAGA. Center-left (Democrats) and center-right (Republicans) aren’t all that different. They should be combining (like here in Germany) to prevent the far right (fascism)
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u/Practical-Plate-1873 Mar 05 '25
And most importantly set Russia 50 yrs ahead…
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u/Astralesean Mar 05 '25
That puts Russia in 1870 that's crazy!
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u/burritos86 Michigan Mar 05 '25
In WW1 Russia still had horse Calvary and tzar Nicolas wanted to put a pause on arms development because they couldn't keep up with the technology
Hague Conventions of 1899 and 1907
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u/AdmiralRon Mar 05 '25
Almost every participant in WW1 used horse cavalry to some extent for at least the first year or two of the war. It's one of the most symbolic things when you look at the transition to fully mechanized warfare. Tzar Nicolas set Russia back militarily significantly but knocking them for having horse cavalry is nonsense.
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u/cjh42 Mar 05 '25
The horse cavalry was actually effective in many parts of ww1 with the main reasons armies got rid of cavalry during the war being horse shortages due to all the horses used up in logistics (as horses were the main transport equipment and that took priority). 1917-1918 sees effective cavalry actions by allied forces on the western front (countering the German lundendorf offensive using cavalry fire brigades) and in Palestine outflanking and overwhelming Ottoman defenses. Cavalry were faster infantry so when you have limited mechanization and need to move men around they are better than just having no cavalry. (See effective Soviet cavalry operations in early ww2 winter counteroffensive before they pumped out enough t34s and received enough American transports to phase a lot of the horse brigades out).
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u/AgitatedStranger9698 Mar 05 '25
Especially Russias....they kind of kicked ass.
It's equivalent to saying the US is silly for aircraft carriers if suddenly warfare was abotu inverting Gravity.
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u/LifeStraggler4 United Kingdom Mar 05 '25
Russian troops didn't get socks till 2013.
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u/Subtle__Numb Mar 05 '25
“Oh yeah,we’ll uhh…we’ll totally not do any more arms development. You just make sure to not do any either, and we’ll uhh….not do any over here, either”
That’s how I presume that’d go in the real world
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u/chron67 Tennessee Mar 05 '25
That puts Russia in 1870 that's crazy!
Pretty sure Trump thinks America was great pre-Civil War for reasons. So he still needs to set us back another 100ish years to reach his goal.
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u/onlyforthisjob Mar 05 '25
...and China. See how they now openly announce to invade Taiwan? And who will have the moral authority to push back on this, when they can say that the USA does the same with Canada, Greenland, Panama, and the moon?
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u/kkapri23 Mar 05 '25
And Taiwan just had a “damn, we’re screwed” moment after the Zelensky debacle.
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u/Agitated-Donkey1265 Mar 05 '25
Double checked the munitions on the semiconductor factories are still primed to go as soon as that went down, I bet
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u/superanth Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25
But there is no easy fix for Trump’s smashing of the security and trade arrangements that have kept us safe and free for generations.
Yeah, the capitulation with Putin, right up to disarming our nuclear arsenal, is what really gives me fear in the pit of my stomach.
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u/C_MMENTARIAT Mar 05 '25
It's almost like the political party he represents has been actively and vocally working toward this for the last 50 years.
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u/SaintPatrickMahomes Mar 05 '25
I will give that to them. They did scream it from the rooftops and then released a document detailing it.
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u/newsflashjackass Mar 05 '25
the political party he represents has been actively and vocally working toward this for the last 50 years.
They did scream it from the rooftops and then released a document detailing it.
At least ten times.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#Rebuilding_America's_Defenses
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandate_for_Leadership#History
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u/Pepparkakan Europe Mar 05 '25
And people read that (well most didn’t) and thought ”naaa this is crazy, they wouldn’t really do this!”, and voted for them anyway…
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u/SmLnine Mar 05 '25
This really seems like a Brexit-like moment for the US. The beginning of the end of US prosperity and global influence. Could be called USAtrophy.
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u/EqualDatabase Mar 05 '25
Bang on. This is America's Brexit, but with the entire world and not just Europe
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u/RikiWardOG Mar 05 '25
yeah that's the thing, American dollar is the standard. This is going to fuck the entire world.
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u/AsleepRespectAlias Mar 05 '25
The Washington post says, having bent the knee to this turd before the election.
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u/belisario262 Mar 05 '25
is this the Washington Post? for real?? I wonder what happened to Bezos' "we are Trump lackeys now".
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u/Groomsi Europe Mar 05 '25
Gone rogue.
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u/UsernameAvaylable Mar 05 '25
Or alternatively, Bezos has realizes that the tarrifs and drop of trade due to them will cost him more money than any taxcut trump gives gains him.
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u/Responsible-Room-645 Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25
I’m afraid that the window of opportunity for this to all end without a serious outbreak of violence is closing rapidly. I do not say that lightly
Clarification: I’m not calling for political violence, I’m just suggesting that this is headed towards a bad ending
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u/scoutinglane Mar 05 '25
Yep. And as a canadian, I was talking to friends yesterday. I aksed him if he thought americans had it in them to use violence to remove trump if he starts to sell weapons to russia in 2 months. We all answered that we are not confident amercicans will react better than the germans in the 1930s...
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u/ButterscotchFiend Vermont Mar 05 '25
In all seriousness, most Americans would rather just look at their phones and TVs than take action.
Convenience is the American way of life at this point and staging a revolution is just about the most inconvenient activity imaginable, next to suffering the oppression that poor and non-white people experience in it's absence.
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u/Agitated-Donkey1265 Mar 05 '25
As someone who’s been terrified of a civil war breaking out with this, I’ve rapidly started hoping this only ends with that.
I hate being a student of history some days
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u/Responsible-Room-645 Mar 05 '25
Also a student of history here: I’m actually surprised that it hasn’t happened already. Why millions of Americans haven’t taken to the streets yet is beyond me. Perhaps they’re just in shock?
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u/Agitated-Donkey1265 Mar 05 '25
Bread and circuses, plus so many are worried about making rent or putting food on the table, so they’re already exhausted doing that. I also can’t understate how much our media has been compromised. So unless you know what to look for, if you’ve been raised to trust the media, and you’re too exhausted from hustling all day long, I can absolutely understand someone not having the spoons left at the end of the day to think critically about this
I think a lot of the people who don’t want this are, like you said, shock or denial. I keep watching them and thinking about the line a third watched while a third killed another third…
A lot of people are about to see what they’re made of.
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u/Responsible-Room-645 Mar 05 '25
The American people have been failed by the Executive, the Congress, the Supreme Court and now the media. It’s truly shocking
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u/buggybugoot Mar 05 '25
The media being compromised is so valid. It’s shocking how obvious it is too.
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u/MigasEnsopado Mar 05 '25
European here. Everytime I see FOX News clips, I'm shocked with how propagandist it is. It literally feels like a state run media broadcaster in a dictatorship. Like Russian TV. Only it doesn't really support the state, it supports the Republican far-right.
I feel the same about MSNBC news in regards to the left. I agree with a lot of what they say, and they're more truthful than FOX, but they're also clearly not unbiased journalism either. Both TV stations give out news like opinions.
It's ok to have people give their opinions in TV channels, but hosts in particular should give you facts as unpartially as possible.
It's all really weird.
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u/PensiveinNJ Mar 05 '25
Fox News or MSNBC are what we call infotainment. 24 hour news stations like them and others popped up in the 80's on the premise that you tell the people what they want to hear, not what they need to know. People love having their pre-existing beliefs confirmed, so that's what these stations do.
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u/UndeadYoshi420 Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25
Right. Bread and circuses are distractions for the impoverished among us. We just seem to be confused on who the impoverished are because of hyperinflation. Class warfare is so often done TO the this class because they identify more with a political party than the class struggle. Vested interested want us that way. You’re welcome to explain to me how I’m wrong and democrat voters and republican voters alike are not part of the same social class, and how that shouldn’t need to be more important than the culture war.
Edit: also the United States is fucking big guys. If we all stood outside in our yards, every man woman and child in America, standing out their front doors. Literally wouldn’t make the news cycle. No one would notice. That’s how big it is. If you drove from Seattle to Washington DC to protest the federal government, you would have to drive non-stop for 1 day and 15 hours. Normally we would call that 5 days by car. 4 if you really push it.
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u/Fattychris Ohio Mar 05 '25
I'm an American. I can't speak for all of us, but I can speak for myself. I voted for Harris, and really expected her to win. A lot of us were expecting the Republicans to lose the House, the Senate, and the Presidency. The fact that they won all of them has definitely put me into a tailspin. The only way I can visually describe how I feel is that scene in Braveheart when (spoiler alert for a 30 year old movie) Wallace realizes that he has been betrayed by Robert the Bruce. When he sits down, stunned and mentally defeated. The Republicans have laid down to let trump do whatever he wants, as well as musk. The Democrats are still mostly trying to figure out how to bake a nice enough cake to make trump stop being evil.
The leaders we elected are not leading. I am scared, but also bewildered. I don't have enough money to float my life if I lose my job trekking around the country for protests. Jobs have been scarce here for a couple of years, and lay-offs have been going on well before all the Federal cuts. Most of us are stuck and have to just push through. It's also only been a month. The shock and awe approach is definitely working here.
I'm not trying to defend our/my inaction, merely trying to describe it. Please don't count all Americans as being lazy about this. It's a lot, it's scary, and it's happening fast. We're just shell shocked and searching for a beacon of hope to rally us and get us back on our feet.
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u/Skulking-Dwig Mar 05 '25
Just to add in, it’s been a particularly harsh winter here. A lot of the non-shithole states are frozen solid, and it’s exhausting to be out in single-digit weather.
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u/jackp0t789 Mar 05 '25
Why millions of Americans haven’t taken to the streets yet is beyond me. Perhaps they’re just in shock?
Many still have too much to lose...
We're afraid of losing our shitty jobs that help us barely afford our shitty homes/ apartments, put groceries on our table, send our kids to increasingly underfunded schools, and try to just survive
We don't have the resources to put in any meaningful resistance when even taking a day off to protest could get you canned from a job you rely on for income and in many cases, healthcare.
If the economic damage is widespread and severe enough to cause mass layoffs throughout the nation, and people have nothing left to lose, I suspect that's when shit will hit the fan.
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u/Big-Initiative5762 Mar 05 '25
Maybe then it is already too late. Trump said that you don’t need to vote anymore after (t)his election.
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u/jackp0t789 Mar 05 '25
I fully suspect that instigating a civil war is part of Trump's plan, at least that's what a Russian agent would do to quickly remove the US as a threat on the global stage.
Trump's administration will keep antagonizing and instigating their opposition internally until the levy breaks so to speak.
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u/Big-Initiative5762 Mar 05 '25
Yep! He and his henchmen should be treated as enemy of the state. Just mind boggling that he as a convicted felon ran as a candidate for the US-presidency.
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u/cecirdr Mar 05 '25
I'm thinking that he's really working for Putin and isn't just wanting to be a dictator, he's actively destroying our country for Putin. So we're going to not only be Russia, but we'll be Russia right after the Soviet Union fell. I have a feeling that Putin has some hard feelings about that and about Bush allowing NATO to "push eastward".
It appears that dictators don't just want to conquer, they want to take revenge and actually destroy.
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u/Emergency_Cake911 Mar 05 '25
We also have some of the most militarized police in the world, and they're all 100% on board with the fascists already.
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u/jackp0t789 Mar 05 '25
And if an annexation attempt happens Canadians will flood the US to perform terrorism like they never thought possible. Remember we look and sound like you.
Im in a heavily blue part of the Northeast.
Should that happen, many of us will be helping you guys out with that sabotage and resistance.
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u/BuffaloWilliamses New York Mar 05 '25
New Yorker here, can we please be annexed by Canada? I’m so fucking done with this country.
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u/MusicCityVol I voted Mar 05 '25
Definitely in shock, but we're not feeling the effects enough yet. It's really that simple. As a student of history, you should understand that a complacent population needs a SERIOUS kick in the ass to do anything, and buddy with the myriad distractions we have at our fingertips we're as complacent as it gets. I have a feeling that it is going to take longer than it otherwise would... perhaps too long.
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u/Cubs017 Mar 05 '25
I think that most people are disillusioned. Take to the streets for...what? You think that this government is going to give a shit about people marching? They're clearly doing whatever they want with little to no consequences. I think that most people look at it and think "well, what can I really do? I'm struggling on my own here."
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u/Temp_84847399 Mar 05 '25
With very few exceptions, 90+% of congress gets reelected every time. They know that no matter how mad people get, they have nothing to fear from voters.
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u/Psych_nature_dude Mar 05 '25
Half of Americans still think trump is a genius. Source : I live in Alabama. It’s infuriating.
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u/Littleunit69 Mar 05 '25
It’s scary that the seems to be no sign of the fever breaking any time soon. Normal people can’t understand the devotion his supporters have to him. They are just wired to support autocracy more. The way they move in unison, believe whatever they are supposed to etc is wild. The 2020 election was just so telling. They had no reason to believe trump won but they just hopped on board. So many were ready and willing to get violent and throw away the country over it. They just don’t have the same values.
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u/ScheduleExpress Mar 05 '25
I’m around all these gun obsessed morons who have been saying that the point of the guns is so they can fight back against the govt and so the govt can’t take advantage of them. I pointed out to one guy that here it is, a guy who calls himself a king is fucking the country that if he hasn’t felt motivated to use those guns now than he won’t ever do shit. I also pointed out to him that he’s fat, old, drunk, and smoking a cig, so I’m pretty sure a I could take him out with a tennis racket no matter what kinda gun he had.
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u/calgeorge Mar 05 '25
I think one possible answer that hadn't occurred to me, but did when I was talking with my mom, is that traditional approaches to protesting aren't prepared to handle the sheer volume of insane rhetoric and actions from Trump. I was talking with her about organizing, and she is a communications major who works for a national association, so she understands lobbying and the ins and outs of government and all that. I was saying we need to protest Trump, and she said that's too vague; that protests usually focus on a particular action that they want stopped or started. But he's doing so much crazy shit that it's hard to focus. By the time you latch onto something to protest, form a message, get organized, and plan an event, he's already said or done 10 even crazier things, and your message is now lost in the wind among a million other disconnected messages. Biden did maybe half a dozen stupid or shitty things during his term, so it gave the conservative media months to dwell on each instance and come up with messaging around it. We just can't keep up with Trump, and no one alive in this country today, unless they immigrated from an authoritarian country, has any experience with protesting an authoritarian regime. We have no idea where to start or what's reasonable because something like this has literally never happened in the history of the US.
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u/Kaiisim Mar 05 '25
It's done. America is over.
It's the cycle of empires. They peak and get so strong they stop worrying about any competition, become complacent and descend into civil conflict.
Rome didn't just fall. It lost its overseas territories first. Slowly over decades they lost their influence around the world.
American influence in Asia is dropping, it's main power base in Europe is fading. It's all downhill.
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u/overcooked_sap Mar 05 '25
They don’t understand that the soft power they cultivated for decades is what allowed them to be the reserve currency and project force across the world. Both are needed to maintain their standard of living. Oops
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u/DeepProspector Mar 05 '25
We understand. It’s just that a lot of conservatives hate it because it means ceding ANY control over our outcomes to others. They are irrational about that.
Normal people just call it society.
What they were taught was child abuse.
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u/Sminahin Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25
Honestly, we've been building to this point for a long time. It's not just Trump--he's a symptom and not the disease, imo. People like him tend to pop up when a populace feels the status quo has utterly failed them. Our systems are fundamentally broken. Health insurance companies are allowed to act more like cartels, maiming, murdering, and torturing tens of millions of Americans over the years. We surpassed French Revolution levels of income inequality years ago. White collar crime is completely out of control. Labor has been utterly suppressed most of my life--unions were barely holding it together in the 90s. The "liberal" party has had almost 40 years to respond to Reagan's plutocratic restructuring and the best they could think of was "if you can't beat them, join them". Oh, and our foreign policy has been in absolute shambles for about 23 years.
Even before Trump, we were a failing state. And that's something we Dems are really bad at recognizing. We've been heading this way for a long time and I think a lot of us were hoping Dems could manage a controlled fall, or some sort of economic exit strategy to prevent all this. But both parties have completely failed in their own ways (Republicans more destructively than Dems of course), so it looks like we're going this route.
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u/cbm984 Mar 05 '25
I have been saying this from the moment Trump took office the first time. As terrifying as it is, we can't go back. The system was so fundamentally broken that a descent into fascism was inevitable. If not with Trump's reelection then in the near future. We need to stop hoping someone (esp. the Dems) will swoop in to fix it because why would we even want to go back to that??
The only way out is through. And, unfortunately, this tunnel is very, very dark. Where will we end up? Civil war? Military coup? States seceding? Or a quiet crumbling into totalitarianism? None of it is good. The worst part of where we are now is the not knowing.
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u/Sminahin Mar 05 '25
To be fair, I think the other way out was the Dem party getting its head out of its ass and running some anti-establishment candidates who acknowledged the problem. The pro-establishment candidate arguably hasn't won since the 1980s because most everyone despises the status quo. But instead...we ran the most hyper-establishment candidates imaginable (Hillary, Biden 2024, Harris), campaigning on the status quo + minor harm reduction. We lost for obvious reasons. Many of us were hoping Obama would be that Change candidate, but it just didn't pan out for a hundred reasons.
At this point though...yeah, probably no way but through. There is a scenario where Trump screws up dramatically and an awakened Dem party figures out this is the issue to run on. But I just don't see it happening with our modern party.
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u/ErickaBooBoo Mar 05 '25
I agree, I’m actually worried now. My husband and I were very upset when he got re elected and he told me to just relax, it’ll be okay….its not okay now
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u/Specialist-Rope-9760 Mar 05 '25
You’re in Russia 2.0 now. America is cooked as these people won’t run a genuine/fair election again.
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u/MARPJ Mar 05 '25
I’m afraid that the window of opportunity for this to all end without a serious outbreak of violence is closing rapidly.
Not american, but I feel that is closed already. There is no real movement from the opposition or anything to protect the american people - the one thing stopping all is that the people are content in the online circus, thinking that complaining on reddit/bluesky/twitter is doing something when it amounts to screaming to your own bubble more often than not
I feel its a question of time to the general population either curve to the king or go full France on the government and rich people.
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u/Rambaz_69 Mar 05 '25
This will be Dana Milbank's last contribution to the WP. Jeff Bezos doesn't want to mess things up with Trump when he has such a great tax cut in prospect.
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u/SnazzyStooge Mar 05 '25
Yep, exactly what I was thinking when I saw the source. “Huh, wish I could read the article, too bad I cancelled my subscription. Maybe the WaPo should lick less boot next time if they want me to care about articles like this.”
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u/jimmygee2 Mar 05 '25
This - putting tariffs on allies and lifting off Russia. Trump has made America a Russian state and his cult are cheering it.
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u/tempest_36 Mar 05 '25
It is maddening. He slaps tarrifs on our allies for no reason. When Trudeau asks why and seeks to negotiate, Trump just spews utter nonsense about fentanyl.
Trudeau is right. The only thing that can be discerned is the US trying to cripple Canada's economy for annexation.
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u/Musclecar123 Mar 05 '25
Where the Americans go wrong in their thought process will be how liking we are to fight them for it. This is a big piece of real estate. I think the annexation / 51st state rhetoric was floated to gauge interest and the response. The response was not what they expected. It would be a bloody mess, if they got their military to obey and there is no guarantee that wouldn’t simply kick off a civil war.
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u/9_to_5_till_i_die Mar 05 '25
If there's border fighting between Canada and the US, this Maine American is switching teams.
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u/Temp_84847399 Mar 05 '25
I heard a guy in a bar about a month ago say something like, "Russia just needs some Americans to show them the value of hard work."
Yeah, sure, that's why Russia is an economic shit hole, the Russian people just don't know how to work hard.
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u/PayTheTeller Mar 05 '25
Not everyone.
Some are holding up painted ping pong paddles
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u/NickelBackwash Mar 05 '25
The ones who haven't been fired yet.
...and the ones who haven't lost their benefit checks yet
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u/Valrdis Mar 05 '25
It's so hard not to give into despair. It's only been 6 weeks but I'm already so fucking tired. A small stupid part of me is actually hoping the fat fuck tries some real shit already and pulls us into war, civil and international both. Let the assholes feel what a true conflict on American soil is like.
I know it's real similiar to what these accelerationist assholes want and I hate it, but some part of my brain (or maybe my heart) has decided that we aren't going to see real progressive change or uproot and eliminate this cancer on our society with small incremental steps or waiting for the shitheads of the country to somehow pull their heads out of their asses.
That maybe Nietzsche had a point - we have to destroy the old systems (government, society, thought) to be able build and grow into something better.
Either that or we die. In bad moments I can barely care anymore. I know that's terrible but fuck. We've only just gotten started too. Someone please help.
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u/19Chris96 Michigan Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25
That fucking smug look on his face when Al green was ejected. Ooh that made me mad.
The smile he also had didn't make it any better. He even shook his head.
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u/blackfocal Mar 05 '25
You could hear the inflection of happiness that Johnson got from saying to throw Al Green out.
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u/hodgkinthepirate Foreign Mar 05 '25 edited Mar 05 '25
Back a 100 years?
That's an understatement.
Trump has literally wrecked the United States.
So much for "Make America Great Again".
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u/HG_Shurtugal Mar 05 '25
He's already said he wants to return to the gilded age and he's doing just that. Republicans think he's returning to the 1950s not the 1880s.
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u/Duster929 Mar 05 '25
He thinks “gilded” is a good thing. It’s not the same as “golden”. Like, not at all.
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u/Agitated-Donkey1265 Mar 05 '25
Robber barons so hot right now
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u/Drumming_Dreaming Mar 05 '25
The robber barons were goddamn heroes compared to what’s going on now. Endowments to art,culture, health and infrastructure out the wazoo. And they paid a lot if tax.
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u/ARunningGuy Mar 05 '25
They modeled themselves after Romans and the patronage system. They wanted to be seen by future generations as luminaries who supported the arts and whatnot. These guys are just cynics, ghouls, empty narcissists and nihilists.
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u/FreeNumber49 Mar 05 '25
> Trump has literally wrecked the United States
Like every one of his businesses. And yet the American people voted for him….twice.
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u/bdonaldo Mar 05 '25
Sorry, it’s more. He is trying to implement an early 19th century economic policy. There’s a reason the government is funded by taxes and not tariffs, despite the latter having been the primary source of funding until roughly 1900: it doesn’t work; the government goes bankrupt during recessions; trade partners can collapse the government and cause economic turmoil using embargoes.
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u/lee_bow Mar 05 '25
No matter how many times he repeats his lies, they do not become truths. Now he is going to discover on behalf of all Americans what a cold shoulder is, that people do not like to be humiliated, that Europeans can be extremely passive-aggressive, that second chances are not a common thing in the real world.
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u/augenwiehimmel Mar 05 '25
In just five days, Trump could set the country back nearly 100 years without any pushback.
FTFY
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u/Notcoded419 Mar 05 '25
Strong words from the nation's aspiring Goebbels publication.
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u/njd2025 Mar 05 '25
Goebbels learned everything from Edwards Bernays who was an American. Just saying.
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u/CrackHeadRodeo Mar 05 '25
A man who filed for six bankruptcies surely knows what is in America’s economic interests. And as always Trump isn’t gambling with his money, he’s gambling with yours.
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u/krijgnouhetschijt Mar 05 '25
The image of the two men behind Trump is very symbolic. They are the representatives of the people / groups that control him : Vance for Peter Thiel and Johnson for Heritage Foundation.
I'll keep posting this :
R.A.G.E. = Retire-All-Government-Employees. That is the goal of DOGE. Not savings. They follow the mantra of Peter Thiel and his sidekick Curtis Yarvin. Vance is funded and influenced by these two.
https://youtu.be/5RpPTRcz1no?t=1210
Thiel's representatives in the Trump administration :
https://www.reddit.com/r/Foodforthought/s/Nj4cS1UUOv
Another goal is gathering data from all the governmental computer mainframes. To analyse with the aid of AI. Thiel's firm Palantir and Rebekah Mercer's Emerdata specialise in this. Rebekah Mercer is a trustee of the Heritage Foundation and daughter of Robert Mercer, of Cambridge Analytica (Brexit). With this they can predict what every American thinks, for loyalty, for "enemies", for whatever they need it for... They influenced Brexit with succes through this. They've had 8 years to further refine this.
The third goal is planting a virus or easing hacking (DOGE hackerkids, right) on all these critical systems, for the apotheose of this totalitarian coup. Paralysing the federal level.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2025/02/04/doge-is-a-cybersecurity-crisis-unfolding-in-real-time/
https://foreignpolicy.com/2025/02/11/doge-cyberattack-united-states-treasury/
(paywall)
This coup is grandpa Musk's dream :
https://www.reddit.com/r/Global_News_Hub/s/4fMO5h4yfz
You can read here about Thiel, JD Vance, Brexit and Project 2025 :
https://www.reddit.com/r/thescoop/s/04x3dt10nS
This is not a joke. Please read the articles mentioned in the above links. Or watch the YouTube video. It's a good summary.
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u/bdag1995 Mar 05 '25
Well at about 100 years back, that puts us roughly only 4 years until the Great Depression!
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u/Creative-Routine522 Michigan Mar 05 '25
The United States ain’t so United anymore.
But hey, “fuck the dems” amirite?
Trump should just make like a leaf and fall.
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u/MarkZuckerbergsPerm Mar 05 '25
All with the support of the WaPoo's owner - Jeff Bezos. Isn't that something?
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u/Staff_Guy Mar 05 '25
Hey Washington Post! This would be less hypocritical if you had not helped get him elected you batch of liars.
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u/HoraceP-D Mar 05 '25
And yet the Washington Post was happy to oblige him…. Which side Washington Post are you on?
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u/Ev3rMorgan California Mar 05 '25
Begs the question, how far will 4 years take us.
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u/FreeNumber49 Mar 05 '25
How do you feel about living in underground shelters for the foreseeable future? Do you think the billionaires who have been buying them for the last 20 years know something?
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u/Ziograffiato Mar 05 '25
“The likes of which the world has never seen… and may never see again.”
—Donald Krasnov Trump
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u/AgitatedStranger9698 Mar 05 '25
I mean he hosted over the Spanish Flu.
Guess he wants to host over the Great Depression.
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u/EphEwe2 Mar 05 '25
He left with worst economic numbers since Hoover last time. Now he wants to finish the job.
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u/porkbellies37 Mar 05 '25
Trump burns down the country, makes us international pariahs, and guts our economy. All predictable before the election.
Voters: It’s the Democrats fault for not being more fun to vote for.
I’m just so sick of hearing it. The electorate got the democracy (or lack thereof) they deserved. It’s time to take voting more seriously which usually means voting for serious candidates.
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u/Spiritual-Bath-5383 Mar 05 '25
But thankfully eggs and cheaper and Palestine is in perfect shape! /s
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u/BloodyRightNostril Virginia Mar 05 '25
The irony of WaPo publishing this is too great to put into words
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u/ShinzoSasagey0 Mar 05 '25
Trump: “America will be respected again”
Literally everyone else: “I have lost all respect to America”
Sad but true
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u/cIumsythumbs Mar 05 '25
Then maybe you should have endorsed Kamala, Washington Post. Fuck you. Glad I cancelled my subscription.
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Mar 05 '25
Over on the conservative subreddit they’re thrilled with the speech last night..
That’s insane. That was an objectively useless speech where all he did was tout accomplishments he didn’t even do yet or is responsible for… it’s amazing. His supporters are really the dumbest easiest to please people on earth
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u/MsTponderwoman Washington Mar 06 '25 edited Mar 06 '25
WTH are you posting a paywall WaPo article? Quote the whole article here so we can read what it says without paying Bozo.
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