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Soft Paywall The Biggest Scandal of the Second Trump Term Isn’t “Signalgate” | The national-security chat debacle certainly merits attention. But the Trump administration is now blatantly disappearing students and others who are in the country legally.

https://newrepublic.com/article/193291/trump-disappearing-students-rumeysa-ozturk-rubio-biggest-scandal
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u/Pretty-Little-Lyra 8d ago edited 8d ago

Marco Rubio took away her visa so they can deport her. She’s been here since she was 7

Edit: She came here in 2018, 7 years ago. Not since she was 7. Don’t want to spread the wrong information but here’s more details:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/27/us/rumeysa-ozturk-detained-what-we-know/index.html

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u/kandoras 8d ago

They didn't deport her.

Deportations have court records and proceedings and you know what happened to the people in them.

This is just kidnapping and human trafficking.

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u/laptopAccount2 8d ago

The correct term is 'rendered.'

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u/Top_Result_1550 8d ago

How else are all the evangelical Republican pastors gonna get their brown sex slaves?

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Not really, ICE been deporting like this all through biden. Good riddance safe journeys hamas supporters!

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u/PabloBablo 8d ago

"Good riddance freedom of speech"

Ftfy

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u/Caltroit_Red_Flames Wisconsin 8d ago

Democrats doing bad things doesn't make them okay. I don't understand why you people think we're just fine with the awful things the Biden admin did. We didn't like those things either.

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u/fleegness 8d ago

You're also assuming that person isn't making shit up. Right wingers tend to do that.

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u/Caltroit_Red_Flames Wisconsin 8d ago

Well Biden did deport a lot of people, just not legal residents. I believe in open borders which I know isn't popular, but I am against a lot of Biden's policies, just from a left wing perspective as opposed to the fascist I originally replied to.

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u/fleegness 8d ago

Well sure, but deportation through regular channels is legal, whether you agree or not with the process and numbers.

I'm pointing out that ICE may not have done the illegal shit the other guy is implying they did (without proof of course).

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u/Caltroit_Red_Flames Wisconsin 8d ago

Fair enough. My standard of concern is morality, not legality. ICE should be abolished regardless.

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u/JohnnyFartmacher New York 8d ago

What would the game plan be if ICE was abolished? Unless you're talking completely open borders, any country will always have people who are not supposed to be there and a law enforcement group dedicated to them.

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u/Caltroit_Red_Flames Wisconsin 8d ago

ICE was created in 2003. History did not start in 2003.

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u/ThroughtonsHeirYT 8d ago

Open borders? Never. No logical nation does this. Only in cases of true asylum seeking. Otherwise : no entry in a country outside of LEGAL immigration process through the government entity. Legal immigration only : means paper approved by the government BEFORE you set foot in the country

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u/Caltroit_Red_Flames Wisconsin 8d ago

That's nice. I'm a communist so I don't really care.

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u/ThroughtonsHeirYT 8d ago

Communism is worse than fascism in totalitarianism… i am a « left side of the center » socialist because i believe in humans. But capitalism is too important to let petty communism rot away the potential of human creativity

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u/Caltroit_Red_Flames Wisconsin 8d ago

Socialism is the transition period between capitalism and communism. You may want to learn more about what communism actually is because it is not totalitarian and you're using a misnomer for your own beliefs.

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u/mAssEffectdriven 8d ago

point to where it says that she supported hamas. you can't because you don't anything about anything which is why your comments sound the way they do.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Demanding bankrupting hamas's enemies, spreading fake genocide propaganda...

Yep thats supporting hamas

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u/mAssEffectdriven 8d ago

Yeah well youre on here talking about hamas so you must also support hamas. Why else would you bring up their existence?

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

She supported bankrupting hamas' enemies, and spread their propaganda.

Feel free to call up ICE, not sure why you're on reddit haha. I mean, not that they have to get your permission

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u/Superunknown11 8d ago

Bad faith disingenuous argument 

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u/dqql 8d ago

Protesting a genocide by Israel has NOTHING to do with supporting Hamas...
The protestors are supporting the people of Palestine...
people like the children currently being starved to death as warfare (example of a genocidal tactic, according to the UN)...
Hamas is just about already gone, anyways...

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u/Ok-Secret-8636 8d ago

You're an evil motherfucker aren't you

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u/Commercial-Owl11 8d ago

He’s a dumb Israel supporter. (A racist) anyone with brown skin shouldn’t be allowed in this country!

Though forgetting Jews weren’t considered “white” for years.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Kinda funny hamas supporters complaining about evil eh? Oh well they can think about it on the plane rid out

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u/Superunknown11 8d ago

What a low energy take

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

Probably low energy on the deportation flights too

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u/SDEWagain 8d ago

Matthew 7:2

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u/thatsattemptedmurder 8d ago

I don't think that phraseology is correct. "all through biden" makes it sound like a regular occurrence and that Biden had any special involvement with it.

In fact, it was signed into law in 1996 by Clinton. So ICE has used this for almost 30 years and 5 presidents.

Expedited removal allows persons with to be deported without a hearing before a judge. There are still conditions to be met.

  1. Arrived at the U.S. border without proper documentation.

  2. Were apprehended within 100 miles of the border and had been in the U.S. for less than 14 days.

It doesn't sound like those conditions are being met currently. And historically -

Under the first Trump presidency, there was an attempt to expand expedited removal beyond the 100-mile border zone and beyond people who had been in the U.S. for 14 days or less.

Under President Biden, some of Trump’s more aggressive policies were scaled back or reinterpreted, but certain aspects of expedited removal remained intact, particularly as they related to border enforcement.

So really - they been doing this since Trump's first presidency, then Biden scaled it back, and now Trump ramped it up again.

For clarity.

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u/rickdapaddyo 8d ago

Post a source of Biden doing this.

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u/[deleted] 8d ago

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-deported-fewer-people-biden-year-ago-border-crossings-plummeted-rcna195605

Biden deported 11k ppl in one month?

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u/rickdapaddyo 8d ago

That's not what this is. Specifically post a link of Biden detaining a green card holder, with masked ICE agents kidnapping them without any due process.

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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 8d ago

Is he the guy who's Dad was a Cuban dissident and refugee?

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u/illstealurcandy Florida 8d ago

His parents came here before the revolution, they weren't dissidents nor were they refugees.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

Lots of things aren't true these days. Doesn't stop people from saying otherwise.

Marco Rubio's parents were dissidents and refugees from Cuba.

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u/Bobswife72 8d ago

Rubio and his family need to go back to Cuba

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

I don't have anything against his whole family. He can go by himself, of course.

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u/Reef-Mortician 8d ago

You don't know the Cuban people. His family holds the same beliefs. Exile Cubans are very consistent with their political views

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u/Day_of_Demeter 8d ago

Most Cubans aren't from the exile generation.

Also, like half of Cubans vote Dem. They actually aren't consistent in their political views.

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u/Reef-Mortician 8d ago

You're going to tell me a Cuban? Lol. Dude every single Cuban is apart of the Exile community. We're not here because of our will, there a tyrannical government in place. Even if its a visa process, you came here to avoid the communist party.

The ones which arrived post 2000 lean left but that's because they're leaning democrat after Obama relaxed relations and they e learned to work the entitlement programs for new arrivals. Miami is probably the most corrupt city in America as there's always ways around the system down there.

The younger generation born in exile is split 60/40 R:D as we've been Americanized and assimilated into the culture. Our parents experience fleeing the country and the indoctrination against communism is the reasoning for the leaning towards right wing policy.

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u/FlipWildBuckWild 8d ago

You’re doing it wrong. You’re supposed to pick a specific member of the family to harass and potentially lock up.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

Ok, I pick Marco.

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u/FlipWildBuckWild 8d ago

That’s the spirit! Polo.

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u/highlandviper 8d ago

Rubio certainly doesn’t sound like a traditional American name.

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u/Nervous_Pipe_6716 8d ago

Either way what matters is he is another member of this regime that believe they are above the constitution. In other words TRAITORS.

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u/NorthRoseGold 8d ago

I heard they were definitely refugees

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u/Its_fine22223 8d ago

Apparently they came before the revolution as economic migrants, but Rubio framed the narrative as one of exile to resonate with Cuban Americans in Florida. Soooo…turns out he was disingenuous all along.

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u/bvan_mim619 8d ago

That’s exactly right

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u/Psychicgoat2 8d ago

Correct.

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u/dustinhut13 8d ago

What a total piece of shit

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u/Psychicgoat2 8d ago

They came in 1957. They were not refugees.

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u/illstealurcandy Florida 8d ago

They immigrated before the revolution, and have no record of dissent against Bautista or Castro. They were neither.

The difference is significant for families like mine who did dissent against dictators and were forced into exile.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 8d ago

I wonder how relations are between Cubans who left because of Bautista and ones who left because of Castro.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

I mean no disrespect for what your family went through. I was just trying to get the point across that people will just say shit without anything to back it up these days, and other people are ready to just believe it because it aligns with their previously held believes/notions/feelings.

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u/MCPtz California 8d ago

Then perhaps you should edit your post and correct it?

It still states the following:

Marco Rubio's parents were dissidents and refugees from Cuba.

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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 8d ago

His wikipedia page is interesting. But it does not say his parents were dissidents and refugees. Just some of his relatives who now live in the US.

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u/Psychicgoat2 8d ago

They were not and his statement of when they came here was eventually and under pressure corrected BY Rubio eventually. They came in 1957.

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u/elebrin 8d ago

Many of the elite, wealthy people from Cuba were getting American money before the revolution, and they were legally allowed to come to the US when we and they knew everything was about to get violent.

The Cubans who came to the US were predominantly the former oligarchs and mobsters of Cuba and the people they liked. These are the people that the Cuban revolution explicitly wanted to kill and take the wealth of, and of course the US protected them. To the people they were criminals. It's also why a lot of Hispanic groups absolutely hate the Cuban descendants in the US.

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u/Bobswife72 8d ago

So we got Cuban criminals over here so that Rubio’s family would be deported known criminals

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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 8d ago

Thank you! I always appreciate learning more stuff!

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u/friendofelephants 8d ago

Rubio is a birthright citizen! Perfect example of a guy who got his and wants to deny others. This is some serious scary shit that they're doing. I would not be surprised if the U.S. has its own Tiananmen Square under Trump.

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u/NineLivesMatter999 8d ago

Fun Fact! Cuban immigrants in Florida are mostly asshole Trump supporters.

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u/Striking-Soil5172 8d ago

“Refugee” who has been back home several times

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u/Zafnick Maine 8d ago

Yeah, protests. Protests is the word that I was thinking. Protests, nothing else.

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u/drunkcowofdeath 8d ago

Careful, no one upvote this or Reddit will get mad at you.

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u/SDEWagain 8d ago

Reddit admins are in for a big surprise in the future after trying so hard for so long to stop anyone from discussing how to stop a fascist takeover.

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u/GaptistePlayer American Expat 8d ago

The DNC would fight that harder than they ever will Trump and the GOP

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u/GetEquipped Illinois 8d ago

The DNC did more to stop Bernie and Progressive policy than they ever did to resist Trump.

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u/md4024 8d ago

The DNC didn’t stop Bernie in 2016 or 2020, he just lost the primaries. There are plenty of reasons to criticize the DNC, but the narrative that they are more interested in stopping progressive policy than stopping Trump isn’t backed by reality, and it hurts the cause. A lot of conservative propaganda is designed to divide the left and make us weaker against Trump, we have to work to avoid falling into that trap.

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u/GetEquipped Illinois 8d ago edited 8d ago

First off: Pelosi pushed Gerry Connelly over AOC for the Ways and Means committee

One of the most popular and outspoken Progressives pushed aside for an octogenarian septuagenarian Neo-Lib. So yeah, the DNC hates us.

Second, there is evidence of my own claims on 2016

The DNC Email hack and WikiLeaks.

It showed how the DNC put their finger on the scale for Bernie and how they boosted Trump's media exposure during the RNC primaries because they thought it would be an easy win for Hillary.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/

https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/

And how the DNC had it in for Bernie

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html

"Opinion piece on Donna Brazile's book that talks about how the DNC held Bernie back.*

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/358389-the-dnc-owes-bernie-sanders-and-all-dems-an-apology/

I could've sworn there were more articles on the debate rules they placed on Bernie that he couldn't bring up certain things and correspondence with campaign managers to push the Superdelegates into Hillary's count after, I wanna say New Hampshire?

I cannot find those. But I do remember that it's why a lot of people were asking for DWS to resign.

People say "oh it was just snide emails." Or "That's just politics" now, but it was way more serious than that. If it was just "Oh a campaign worker said Bernie supporters should shower more" then there wouldn't be a much of a protest at the convention.

I know "Trust me bro" isn't the best, but this is something I vividly remember. I usually look up Reuters and AP to confirm stuff, but it feels like it's been "Memory Hole'd"

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u/md4024 8d ago

The Gerry Connelly thing is a great example of something we absolutely should be criticizing. Old guard Democrats are dragging their feet instead of getting out of the way and letting young, popular Democrats like AOC take the reins, and it’s hurting the party.

But that doesn’t mean there’s a conspiracy led by the DNC to hold progressives back. Bernie didn’t get a raw deal on 2016, he just lost. Your feelings are telling you that it had to be more serious than just some emails between DNC staffers, because that’s what the people who leaked those emails wanted you to feel. That was the first part of Russia’s plan to get Trump elected. They took some emails where DNC staffers talked shit about Bernie and spun it into some grand conspiracy because they knew that the best way to weaken Clinton’s candidacy was to come at her from the left. It was a smart play, it obviously worked, but you can’t find the more serious proof of that conspiracy because it does not exist. The worst things that actually happened was shit like Donna Brazile telling the Clinton campaign to be ready for questions about the Flint water crisis during a debate in Flint. Then Donna Brazile went all over Fox News pushing the narrative that Bernie got screwed when she was trying to sell her book, but she had nothing to base that on beyond a fundraising agreement the DNC made with Clinton that was necessary to keep the organization, which was severely under funded and under staffed before the 2016 election, afloat, and was offered to Bernie and I think the other candidates early in the primary as well. Yes, the optics of that ended up looking bad, but no one actually did anything that unfairly boosted Clinton or hurt Bernie. It truly was just snide emails.

Yes, the DNC favored Clinton over Bernie during that primary. Of course they did. Clinton was a longtime loyal Democrat, Bernie was an Independent who was equally likely to lob bombs at the party than he was to work with them. Bernie had every chance to convince the super delegates to support him, but of course they preferred Clinton. That’s not corruption, it’s literally just politics, and after that primary the DNC listened to Bernie’s camp and made good faith efforts to limit the role of super delegates in the nominating process. Bernie didn’t get screwed, he just lost. But The Russians played it perfectly by pushing a narrative that Bernie supporters already believed, so it didn’t matter that they were never able to find real evidence of corruption or unfair treatment. Again, there are very real reasons to criticize Democratic leadership, but we can do that without playing into the narrative of the “progressives vs establishment” war that conservatives love to push.

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u/Tasty-Chart-5096 8d ago

The DNC has rolled over on its belly and is voting with the GOP. What are you talking about

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u/ribblesquat Minnesota 8d ago

They're agreeing with you. They're saying the DNC would side with the GOP against the citizenry when it comes to direct action against tyranny.

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u/Tasty-Chart-5096 8d ago

Oh! My bad. Not enough coffee this morning 😔

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u/ribblesquat Minnesota 8d ago

No worries! There's not enough coffee in the world to stay constantly alert amongst all this bullshit.

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u/resonantedomain 8d ago edited 8d ago

They bleed for their donors, not their constituents.

Edit: they as in DNC, not democrats in general. everyone is baited to outrage and division, I'm not drawing false equivalence. Money in politics is an issue. Social Media is an issue.

What propaganda have you not been made aware of? I'm not comparing left to right, there is no comparison. However, DNC cares more about their Boomer donors than Gen X, Millenials or Gen Z.

We're stuck between Greek and Rome, while Israel and Palestine fight to the death. Meanwhile, liberalism and conservatism are based on systems that have already fallen.

Pandemic, was the lagrest transfer of wealth in human history. Yet we're still fighting eachother.

This isn't a culture war, it's a cold class war.

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u/dawgsheet 8d ago

The same DNC that is watching a slew of impeachable offenses since day 1 and still has done nothing?

The only person since this presidency that has gotten in any sort of hot water is Al Green, for yelling about attacking medicare/medicaid, which DNC members voted for the censure.

They allowed every other clear violation of the constitution to roll, but black man representing the inner cities of Houston being loud - get him out of here!

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u/tawzerozero Florida 8d ago

Specifically what should the DNC be doing that they aren't already?

Democrats are suing the Administration in multiple lawsuits in multiple venues. And they are speaking out/joining protests when they happen (even if the mainstream media only wants to cover Bernie and AOC when they do so because they actually have a brand).

They can't impeach Trump - MAGA Mike Johnson schedules votes in the House. And, if trying to introduce articles of impeachment as a privileged resolution, that can be voted down by the Republican majority in the House. And, even if they somehow got articles of impeachment through the GOP-run House, they would still need 20 Republicans to join with all the Democrats to convict and remove.

Democrats in Congress can't even subpoena the Administration or testimony - because the GOP controls both houses, any Democrat who wants to force the Administration to provide information must ask the Republicans for permission to do so.

Literally the only place in the federal government where Democrats have power is in the lower courts - Democratic judges outnumber Republican judges in total, and Dems outnumber Republicans in like 2/3rds of lower courts. And we've seen the record number of injunctions issued by the lower courts, because Trump has gone way beyond the normal scope of Presidential power. But there is an dead even split among appeals courts, and of course Republicans dominate the Supreme Court. So, we'll see what happens there, especially once the GOP-led Senate starts confirming more Trump judges.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

What's stopping you?

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u/OnetwenT7 8d ago

Same things stopping yourself, presumably.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

Visual disability?

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u/OnetwenT7 8d ago

Your visual disability is why you won't lone ranger the country to safety?

I wear glasses too.

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u/CircumventingTheBan_ 8d ago

Dude, you can make excuses to do nothing if you want. I hope they bring you comfort in the cattle car.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

Lol im gonna do what I can to support my community, but I physically can't be Mario's brother or V.

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u/nonotan 8d ago

Legal protests.
Under no circumstances anything beyond that.
Indeed, I would advise checking with your lawyer first, just in case.
Going beyond what's legal could have dire consequences.
It would be entirely ill-advised.

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u/654456 8d ago

they will be legal protests until they finish ripping up the blll of rights.

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u/SDEWagain 8d ago

"The protests will remain bloodless if the right allows them to be"

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u/Zano10 8d ago

I mean at this point it doesn't even take more than a legal protest it seems. We're at the point where you can have your visa taken away and deported because they disagree with you.

Denaturalization will be next, and the step after that is genuinely terrifying.

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u/Ozymandias12 8d ago

The Civil Rights movement of nonviolence would like a word.

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u/Defiant_Elk_9861 8d ago

Civil Rights had tons of violence, that was what MLK knew would happen during the protests and he knew it would draw the attention of the nation.

Violence works both ways. MLK weaponized hatred. 

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u/Ozymandias12 8d ago

The violence was perpetrated on the civil rights protestors though. Did the protesters at Selma fight back? MLK didn't weaponize it, white racists did.

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u/Defiant_Elk_9861 8d ago

No you’re missing the point. 

MLK knew that the only way change was going to occur was to draw out and display the horrific affects of racism.

Yes the perpetrators of the violence are responsible for it, but MLK and the other kids doing sit-ins knew there would be violence, they trained how to remain passive and how to protect themselves from blows.

They knew this would draw the anger of the broader public.  So they used violence, just not in the sense we usually assume like a rebellion or terrorism 

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u/Ozymandias12 8d ago

Right, I agree with that, you're sayng that the only reason change happened was because racists were violent and that violence against peaceful protesters turned many into allies of the civil rights cause, fine. But that was extremely unclear in your initial response, and could easily be misinterpreted by government watchdogs, so I wanted to clarify that no one in this thread is actively calling for violence.

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u/Defiant_Elk_9861 8d ago

Agreed, I was thinking more of the idea of violence being a tool. 

Still, I think history shows that the biggest changes usually come through force, in the US change through democratic means, unless there are tremendous tidal shifts in our politics, seems impossible. The constitution will never be altered because having that many states agree on anything is impossible .  We’re seeing the limits of a 250+ year document under the weight of modern realities the founders couldn’t have imagined.

Hope I’m wrong. 

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u/Snowing_Throwballs 8d ago

This is unprecedented. These are fascists, they will deal with peaceful protest with violence. The mechanisms of democracy that allow protests to work do not functionally exist. The next step would be a massive general strike. Halt all economic activity for a prolonged period of time. Force them to the table. After that violence will probably be the only remaining option.

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u/DubWyse 8d ago

Boston Tea Party, the action itself, was also nonviolent. One guy knocked himself out by accident and more than one person got beat up for stealing the tea instead of destroying it, but the act of "domestic terrorism" itself was nonviolent in that there was no loss of life. Just saying, non-violent protest is one of the things Americans have historically done well.

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u/HankyPankyKong 8d ago edited 8d ago

These are the moments that the 2nd amendment was written for. Right to bear arms is meant to prevent tyranny.

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u/absentmindedjwc 8d ago

Years ago, 2A republicans would scream about how "the first thing the nazis did was come for the guns!!!" Now that the right appears to be aiming to take guns from liberals, that's for some reason totally different, and entirely unrelated.

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u/AgeofAshe 8d ago

It was so the US could raise an army when needed since our constitution banned having a standing army at the time. Though the whigs liked it for the reason you state, they were only one of the political parties that contributed to the 2nd amendment.

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u/Stock_Pen_4019 8d ago

You are believing a myth. You have not experienced automatic weapons, the United States military has automatic weapons.

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u/buythedipnow 8d ago

Keep in mind that every single Democrat in the senate voted to confirm Rubio. I wonder why voter turnout for the Dems suck.

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u/laconchadetuhermanat 8d ago

Agreed. Peaceful and persistent is the way.

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u/Slayer1973 8d ago

All magats need to be deported to Siberia.

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u/_Standardissue 8d ago

Hey that’s not kind to Siberia

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u/Whiterabbit-- 8d ago

who would dare to do that when he can make you disappear. the whole kidnapping them during the day in public is to send a message of fear. these are not covert ops to remove dangerous people and deny doing so. this is flaunting a message for people not to go against the administration.

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u/PocketTornado 8d ago

They can't make everyone disappear... this is why we need massive numbers.

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u/MilibandsBacon 8d ago

As a European, I do NOT Understand why Americans aren't doing this. What is the inertia?? Why is noone even attempting to protest this?

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u/PocketTornado 8d ago

The answer is that 77 million Americans didn't care that Trump was a convicted sex offender and a felon so they voted for him.

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u/anthrohands 8d ago

I go to (a small) school with one of his kids. It’s crazy knowing that while seeing what he’s doing.

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u/fallonyourswordkaren 8d ago

If they don’t wish to live by the rules of society, then they shall receive none of its benefits.

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u/rallyspt08 8d ago

Maybe HE should be sent to an El Salvadorian labor camp.

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u/Lanky-Fix-853 8d ago

It needs to go beyond calling them out, this is the part that everyone is talking around. People have been calling them out for years. It needs to move to the point where their lives are disrupted. Ordered food for who? Oh, sorry we don’t serve you. Oh you demand I serve you? No worries, I hope you enjoy sitting in this restaurant for the next 2 hours at least.

Make their lives miserable, yelling with signs won’t do the job.

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u/NotMyMainAccountAtAl 8d ago

There was a time in America where non-violent protests weren’t the first step. You got caught pulling shit like this, they just lynched you. 

I’m not an advocate of punishment without a fair trial, but then, that’s what the fellows are doing, so they ought to recall the history of what happened to men such as themselves a century or so back

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u/sz2z 8d ago

Absolutely!! We need to owe the same tactics that the magas use. Acting with the normal , respectful behavior that civilized people use will not work with these criminals. They get away with breaking the law with impunity every minute of every day and the democrats behave as if it's all business as usual. Nothing could be farther from the truth. These people lie as easily as they breathe, break laws as if they didn't even exist and steal for their own enrichment with NO regard for the suffering and death they cause all over the world. They must be dealt with in the only language they understand - they must be called what they are - PATHOLOGICAL LIARS and THIEVES and not one person in the entire federal government has called them out as the criminals they are. It has nothing to do with politics - a crime is A CRIME. It's not misinformation they engage in - it's LYING, LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING!! We must stand up to them and call them out and refuse to obey their narcissistic, illegal orders the way they all IGNORE THE RULE OF LAW!!

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u/aLoadedTrumpDiaper 8d ago

I’ll say this again. It’s a class war, and the only way you will win that war, is bringing it to their front door.

Peacefully of course!

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u/Johnnydeep4206 8d ago

This will never happen though because luckily we live in a country where the majority, of Americans, contribute to society and go to work and are grown adults that do not get super emotional when things do not go their way, so I mean good luck with that.

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u/bluetimotej 8d ago

Like those women in The leftovers only not silent

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u/Defiant_Elk_9861 8d ago

Sounds like a good way to get disappeared 

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u/42nu 8d ago

Marco Rubio is the moderate in this admin.

He already is throwing him under the bus for the unconstitutional El Salvador fiasco.

Rubio has to play ball to prevent whatever the future thing he thinks he's going to prevent is.

As if Trump doesn't know that Rubio is an old guard plant and labeled for the trash can like Elon will be when he eventually realizes Trump isn't his ally.

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u/illsk1lls 8d ago

yea, harassment is illegal, if everyone wants to protest thats fine, but youre calling for organized harassment 👀

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u/Falco98 8d ago

Marco Rubio took away her visa so they can deport her.

And it's not just her. Google "Frengel Reyes Mota" for another example - no criminal record, no gang involvement, not even an anti-israel protestor apparently - just an asylumn-seeker disappeared one day by ICE and sent to an El Salvadorean torture prison.

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u/Pretty-Little-Lyra 8d ago

Can we start documenting these somewhere?

There was also a Russian medical researcher, Kseniia Petrova, who got detained by ICE for supporting Ukraine war. She brought in sample frog embryos and she forgot to declare it. Instead of CBP giving her a $500 fine, they want to deport her back to Putin for supporting Ukraine

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u/jdtrouble 8d ago

Also look up the soccer player who threw gang signs (literally, "I love you" in ASL)

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u/Odd_Perfect 8d ago

Marco Rubio just making shit up saying she was committing crimes.

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u/galtoramech8699 8d ago

And the reasoning is well just because

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u/tobmom 8d ago

No it’s because she’s brown

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u/Racthoh 8d ago

Not white is the reason.

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u/frogsgoribbit737 8d ago

Youre thinking of another women who has been here since she was 7 but courts won't let them detain her thankfully. She is still having to fight for her right to stay here though

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u/Pretty-Little-Lyra 8d ago

All these people need to be documented collectively somewhere. I don’t think people realize this is happening everywhere and very quickly without due process

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u/deadlybydsgn 8d ago

Edit: She came here in 2018, 7 years ago. Not since she was 7. Don’t want to spread the wrong information but here’s more details:

Thanks for retracting and disclaiming. Some people may call you pedantic, but I really feel this kind of honesty and transparency matters. If we aren't good enough to do this, we care more about "winning" than what's true.

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u/Usualy-lost-152 8d ago

I think it is paramount that people get facts correctly or we become the same as Trump supporter. Our arguments lose validity. Thanks for encouraging that and I wish EVERYONE would learn how important that is.

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u/Jolly_koala819 8d ago

I think you got mixed up with A 21-year-old Columbia University student who has lived in the United States since she was 7 (a legal permanent resident ).

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u/dustinhut13 8d ago

Rhonda Santis

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u/photoman51 8d ago

No the girl who came here with parents at age 7 was the Korean girl who is sueing the Trump admin for wrongfully abduction and 1st amendment violations

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u/acesdragon97 8d ago

She first arrived here in 2018 after receiving a full bright scholarship and her student visa. That's straight from her brother's mouth. Why lie about the time line she's been here?

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u/Thugnifizent 8d ago

I doubt it was an intentional lie so much as just confusing the multiple legal residents who have made national news because ICE has disappeared or attempted to disappear them in the last week.

Yunseo Chung is a Columbia student who ICE was looking for, and has been in the U.S. legally since she was 7. https://apnews.com/article/university-protests-palestinian-immigration-2d7bd689b013b8bb6300fd6ab54de933

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u/Pretty-Little-Lyra 8d ago

Sorry. The source I read said 7 and it didn’t seem like it would be wrong. If you have the source I can fix it with an edit

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u/acesdragon97 8d ago

Here is the CNN article referencing the tweet from her brother Asim: https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/27/us/rumeysa-ozturk-detained-what-we-know/index.html

Statement is under the header: "Who is Rumeysa Ozturk"

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u/Pretty-Little-Lyra 8d ago

Oh I mistook 7 years ago as 7 years old. I’ll correct it

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u/acesdragon97 8d ago

Thank you for taking the correction with grace. Have a good day btw!

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u/Knowsekr 8d ago

I thought she had a green card... thats very different than a visa.

They are legally US Residents.

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u/Johnnydeep4206 8d ago

Yes and just like any other country if you are not a polite and up standing guest you get your Visa taken, what is your point ?

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u/Same_Decision6103 8d ago

This piece was written by the people at CNN you can believe what you want. You can also read the facts by reaching it correctly. What she is doing is wrong and some doesn't have the right to do it being a foreign national. Glad to see this occurring it will be an example to others.

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u/Eligius_MS 8d ago

Foreign national or not, she has the same rights of free speech and due process as natural born citizens.

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u/Same_Decision6103 8d ago

No she doesn't she is a guest in our country she can run her yap saying her countries of origin politics are how you should rule here.

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u/Eligius_MS 8d ago

Yes, she does. That's the way our system works and how our legal system works. Go read the First Amendment again, let me know where it disqualifies people legally residing in the country.

FYI, it's long settled law in multiple Supreme Court cases that the rights guaranteed by the Constitution apply to everyone in the country, legally here or not. Been settled law even longer for people here legally.

She was here legally, she has First Amendment protections as well as due process protections from the 5th and the 14th Amendment. What Rubio did to her and others here legally violates our laws, the principle of the Rule of Law and the Constitution.

You thinking differently does not change the facts or the truth.

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u/Same_Decision6103 7d ago

Obviously you are incorrect because he couldn't do what he did if he didn't have the law behind him. I am glad he did it it will hopefully teach others a lesson no to come here and cause a farkus.

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u/Eligius_MS 7d ago

Nope, I am correct. What Rubio and many in the current administration are doing is just ignoring the law. There are legal challenges and court cases in progress as we speak on many of the immigration actions that have happened. However, even when told they are not allowed they have continued to do it or ignore the ruling and claim it’s too late (or the silliness of a judge’s verbal order not being valid until it is in writing).

But hey, keep supporting the law breaking group pissing on our legal system and wiping their ass with the Constitution.

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u/Same_Decision6103 8d ago

If you apply for a visa to enter the United States and be a student, and you tell us the reason you are coming to the United States is not just because you want to write op eds, but because you want to participate in movements that are involved in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings, creating a ruckus--we're not going to give you a visa," Rubio said. "If you lie to us and get a visa and then enter the United States, and with that visa, participate in that sort of activity, we're going to take away your visa. And once you've lost your visa, you're no longer legally in the United States. And we have a right, like every country in the world has a right, to remove you from our country. So it's just that simple."

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u/Same_Decision6103 8d ago

If she didn't act inappropriately, she would not be in the situation she is in. She brought this on her self. You could not go to her country and do stuff that goes against the government. Just like she can't do it here.

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u/Eligius_MS 8d ago

Nope, Rubio is wrong. She committed no crime, is a student and exercised the first amendment right of free speech guaranteed in the bill of rights.

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u/Pretty-Little-Lyra 8d ago

Can you explain what she’s doing wrong…?

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u/Same_Decision6103 8d ago

If you apply for a visa to enter the United States and be a student, and you tell us the reason you are coming to the United States is not just because you want to write op eds, but because you want to participate in movements that are involved in doing things like vandalizing universities, harassing students, taking over buildings, creating a ruckus--we're not going to give you a visa," Rubio said. "If you lie to us and get a visa and then enter the United States, and with that visa, participate in that sort of activity, we're going to take away your visa. And once you've lost your visa, you're no longer legally in the United States. And we have a right, like every country in the world has a right, to remove you from our country. So it's just that simple." She was a hamas sympathizer,

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u/Idkfriendsidk 8d ago

But literally all she did was write an op-ed for the university newspaper.

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u/Same_Decision6103 8d ago

No that is not all she did or has done

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u/Idkfriendsidk 8d ago edited 8d ago

Then say what’s she’s supposedly done. Interesting how I never get an answer to that question…because she did nothing wrong.