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Soft Paywall The Biggest Scandal of the Second Trump Term Isn’t “Signalgate” | The national-security chat debacle certainly merits attention. But the Trump administration is now blatantly disappearing students and others who are in the country legally.

https://newrepublic.com/article/193291/trump-disappearing-students-rumeysa-ozturk-rubio-biggest-scandal
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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 8d ago

Is he the guy who's Dad was a Cuban dissident and refugee?

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u/illstealurcandy Florida 8d ago

His parents came here before the revolution, they weren't dissidents nor were they refugees.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

Lots of things aren't true these days. Doesn't stop people from saying otherwise.

Marco Rubio's parents were dissidents and refugees from Cuba.

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u/Bobswife72 8d ago

Rubio and his family need to go back to Cuba

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

I don't have anything against his whole family. He can go by himself, of course.

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u/Reef-Mortician 8d ago

You don't know the Cuban people. His family holds the same beliefs. Exile Cubans are very consistent with their political views

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u/Day_of_Demeter 8d ago

Most Cubans aren't from the exile generation.

Also, like half of Cubans vote Dem. They actually aren't consistent in their political views.

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u/Reef-Mortician 8d ago

You're going to tell me a Cuban? Lol. Dude every single Cuban is apart of the Exile community. We're not here because of our will, there a tyrannical government in place. Even if its a visa process, you came here to avoid the communist party.

The ones which arrived post 2000 lean left but that's because they're leaning democrat after Obama relaxed relations and they e learned to work the entitlement programs for new arrivals. Miami is probably the most corrupt city in America as there's always ways around the system down there.

The younger generation born in exile is split 60/40 R:D as we've been Americanized and assimilated into the culture. Our parents experience fleeing the country and the indoctrination against communism is the reasoning for the leaning towards right wing policy.

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u/Day_of_Demeter 8d ago

  1. I'm also Cuban my dude, hold your horses

  2. When people say "exiles" in my experience they tend to mean the first generation in the 60s and 70s that fled due to political repression and they were practically kicked out (exiled). Later generations came mostly for economic opportunities and out of their own volition (which is fine, I don't believe you need to be literally fearing for your life to be allowed to immigrate)

Our parents experience fleeing the country and the indoctrination against communism is the reasoning for the leaning towards right wing policy.

Are Chileans and Germans against fascism because they were indoctrinated against it, or because they lived it?

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u/FlipWildBuckWild 8d ago

You’re doing it wrong. You’re supposed to pick a specific member of the family to harass and potentially lock up.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

Ok, I pick Marco.

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u/FlipWildBuckWild 8d ago

That’s the spirit! Polo.

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u/highlandviper 8d ago

Rubio certainly doesn’t sound like a traditional American name.

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u/Nervous_Pipe_6716 8d ago

Either way what matters is he is another member of this regime that believe they are above the constitution. In other words TRAITORS.

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u/NorthRoseGold 8d ago

I heard they were definitely refugees

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u/Its_fine22223 8d ago

Apparently they came before the revolution as economic migrants, but Rubio framed the narrative as one of exile to resonate with Cuban Americans in Florida. Soooo…turns out he was disingenuous all along.

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u/bvan_mim619 8d ago

That’s exactly right

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u/Psychicgoat2 8d ago

Correct.

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u/dustinhut13 8d ago

What a total piece of shit

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u/Psychicgoat2 8d ago

They came in 1957. They were not refugees.

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u/illstealurcandy Florida 8d ago

They immigrated before the revolution, and have no record of dissent against Bautista or Castro. They were neither.

The difference is significant for families like mine who did dissent against dictators and were forced into exile.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 8d ago

I wonder how relations are between Cubans who left because of Bautista and ones who left because of Castro.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

I mean no disrespect for what your family went through. I was just trying to get the point across that people will just say shit without anything to back it up these days, and other people are ready to just believe it because it aligns with their previously held believes/notions/feelings.

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u/MCPtz California 8d ago

Then perhaps you should edit your post and correct it?

It still states the following:

Marco Rubio's parents were dissidents and refugees from Cuba.

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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 8d ago

His wikipedia page is interesting. But it does not say his parents were dissidents and refugees. Just some of his relatives who now live in the US.

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u/Psychicgoat2 8d ago

They were not and his statement of when they came here was eventually and under pressure corrected BY Rubio eventually. They came in 1957.

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u/elebrin 8d ago

Many of the elite, wealthy people from Cuba were getting American money before the revolution, and they were legally allowed to come to the US when we and they knew everything was about to get violent.

The Cubans who came to the US were predominantly the former oligarchs and mobsters of Cuba and the people they liked. These are the people that the Cuban revolution explicitly wanted to kill and take the wealth of, and of course the US protected them. To the people they were criminals. It's also why a lot of Hispanic groups absolutely hate the Cuban descendants in the US.

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u/Bobswife72 8d ago

So we got Cuban criminals over here so that Rubio’s family would be deported known criminals

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u/CaterpillarJungleGym 8d ago

Thank you! I always appreciate learning more stuff!

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u/friendofelephants 8d ago

Rubio is a birthright citizen! Perfect example of a guy who got his and wants to deny others. This is some serious scary shit that they're doing. I would not be surprised if the U.S. has its own Tiananmen Square under Trump.

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u/NineLivesMatter999 8d ago

Fun Fact! Cuban immigrants in Florida are mostly asshole Trump supporters.

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u/Striking-Soil5172 8d ago

“Refugee” who has been back home several times

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u/Zafnick Maine 8d ago

Yeah, protests. Protests is the word that I was thinking. Protests, nothing else.

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u/drunkcowofdeath 8d ago

Careful, no one upvote this or Reddit will get mad at you.

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u/SDEWagain 8d ago

Reddit admins are in for a big surprise in the future after trying so hard for so long to stop anyone from discussing how to stop a fascist takeover.

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u/GaptistePlayer American Expat 8d ago

The DNC would fight that harder than they ever will Trump and the GOP

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u/GetEquipped Illinois 8d ago

The DNC did more to stop Bernie and Progressive policy than they ever did to resist Trump.

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u/md4024 8d ago

The DNC didn’t stop Bernie in 2016 or 2020, he just lost the primaries. There are plenty of reasons to criticize the DNC, but the narrative that they are more interested in stopping progressive policy than stopping Trump isn’t backed by reality, and it hurts the cause. A lot of conservative propaganda is designed to divide the left and make us weaker against Trump, we have to work to avoid falling into that trap.

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u/GetEquipped Illinois 8d ago edited 8d ago

First off: Pelosi pushed Gerry Connelly over AOC for the Ways and Means committee

One of the most popular and outspoken Progressives pushed aside for an octogenarian septuagenarian Neo-Lib. So yeah, the DNC hates us.

Second, there is evidence of my own claims on 2016

The DNC Email hack and WikiLeaks.

It showed how the DNC put their finger on the scale for Bernie and how they boosted Trump's media exposure during the RNC primaries because they thought it would be an easy win for Hillary.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/

https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/

And how the DNC had it in for Bernie

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html

"Opinion piece on Donna Brazile's book that talks about how the DNC held Bernie back.*

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/358389-the-dnc-owes-bernie-sanders-and-all-dems-an-apology/

I could've sworn there were more articles on the debate rules they placed on Bernie that he couldn't bring up certain things and correspondence with campaign managers to push the Superdelegates into Hillary's count after, I wanna say New Hampshire?

I cannot find those. But I do remember that it's why a lot of people were asking for DWS to resign.

People say "oh it was just snide emails." Or "That's just politics" now, but it was way more serious than that. If it was just "Oh a campaign worker said Bernie supporters should shower more" then there wouldn't be a much of a protest at the convention.

I know "Trust me bro" isn't the best, but this is something I vividly remember. I usually look up Reuters and AP to confirm stuff, but it feels like it's been "Memory Hole'd"

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u/md4024 8d ago

The Gerry Connelly thing is a great example of something we absolutely should be criticizing. Old guard Democrats are dragging their feet instead of getting out of the way and letting young, popular Democrats like AOC take the reins, and it’s hurting the party.

But that doesn’t mean there’s a conspiracy led by the DNC to hold progressives back. Bernie didn’t get a raw deal on 2016, he just lost. Your feelings are telling you that it had to be more serious than just some emails between DNC staffers, because that’s what the people who leaked those emails wanted you to feel. That was the first part of Russia’s plan to get Trump elected. They took some emails where DNC staffers talked shit about Bernie and spun it into some grand conspiracy because they knew that the best way to weaken Clinton’s candidacy was to come at her from the left. It was a smart play, it obviously worked, but you can’t find the more serious proof of that conspiracy because it does not exist. The worst things that actually happened was shit like Donna Brazile telling the Clinton campaign to be ready for questions about the Flint water crisis during a debate in Flint. Then Donna Brazile went all over Fox News pushing the narrative that Bernie got screwed when she was trying to sell her book, but she had nothing to base that on beyond a fundraising agreement the DNC made with Clinton that was necessary to keep the organization, which was severely under funded and under staffed before the 2016 election, afloat, and was offered to Bernie and I think the other candidates early in the primary as well. Yes, the optics of that ended up looking bad, but no one actually did anything that unfairly boosted Clinton or hurt Bernie. It truly was just snide emails.

Yes, the DNC favored Clinton over Bernie during that primary. Of course they did. Clinton was a longtime loyal Democrat, Bernie was an Independent who was equally likely to lob bombs at the party than he was to work with them. Bernie had every chance to convince the super delegates to support him, but of course they preferred Clinton. That’s not corruption, it’s literally just politics, and after that primary the DNC listened to Bernie’s camp and made good faith efforts to limit the role of super delegates in the nominating process. Bernie didn’t get screwed, he just lost. But The Russians played it perfectly by pushing a narrative that Bernie supporters already believed, so it didn’t matter that they were never able to find real evidence of corruption or unfair treatment. Again, there are very real reasons to criticize Democratic leadership, but we can do that without playing into the narrative of the “progressives vs establishment” war that conservatives love to push.

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u/Tasty-Chart-5096 8d ago

The DNC has rolled over on its belly and is voting with the GOP. What are you talking about

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u/ribblesquat Minnesota 8d ago

They're agreeing with you. They're saying the DNC would side with the GOP against the citizenry when it comes to direct action against tyranny.

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u/Tasty-Chart-5096 8d ago

Oh! My bad. Not enough coffee this morning 😔

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u/ribblesquat Minnesota 8d ago

No worries! There's not enough coffee in the world to stay constantly alert amongst all this bullshit.

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u/resonantedomain 8d ago edited 8d ago

They bleed for their donors, not their constituents.

Edit: they as in DNC, not democrats in general. everyone is baited to outrage and division, I'm not drawing false equivalence. Money in politics is an issue. Social Media is an issue.

What propaganda have you not been made aware of? I'm not comparing left to right, there is no comparison. However, DNC cares more about their Boomer donors than Gen X, Millenials or Gen Z.

We're stuck between Greek and Rome, while Israel and Palestine fight to the death. Meanwhile, liberalism and conservatism are based on systems that have already fallen.

Pandemic, was the lagrest transfer of wealth in human history. Yet we're still fighting eachother.

This isn't a culture war, it's a cold class war.

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u/dawgsheet 8d ago

The same DNC that is watching a slew of impeachable offenses since day 1 and still has done nothing?

The only person since this presidency that has gotten in any sort of hot water is Al Green, for yelling about attacking medicare/medicaid, which DNC members voted for the censure.

They allowed every other clear violation of the constitution to roll, but black man representing the inner cities of Houston being loud - get him out of here!

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u/tawzerozero Florida 8d ago

Specifically what should the DNC be doing that they aren't already?

Democrats are suing the Administration in multiple lawsuits in multiple venues. And they are speaking out/joining protests when they happen (even if the mainstream media only wants to cover Bernie and AOC when they do so because they actually have a brand).

They can't impeach Trump - MAGA Mike Johnson schedules votes in the House. And, if trying to introduce articles of impeachment as a privileged resolution, that can be voted down by the Republican majority in the House. And, even if they somehow got articles of impeachment through the GOP-run House, they would still need 20 Republicans to join with all the Democrats to convict and remove.

Democrats in Congress can't even subpoena the Administration or testimony - because the GOP controls both houses, any Democrat who wants to force the Administration to provide information must ask the Republicans for permission to do so.

Literally the only place in the federal government where Democrats have power is in the lower courts - Democratic judges outnumber Republican judges in total, and Dems outnumber Republicans in like 2/3rds of lower courts. And we've seen the record number of injunctions issued by the lower courts, because Trump has gone way beyond the normal scope of Presidential power. But there is an dead even split among appeals courts, and of course Republicans dominate the Supreme Court. So, we'll see what happens there, especially once the GOP-led Senate starts confirming more Trump judges.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

What's stopping you?

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u/OnetwenT7 8d ago

Same things stopping yourself, presumably.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

Visual disability?

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u/OnetwenT7 8d ago

Your visual disability is why you won't lone ranger the country to safety?

I wear glasses too.

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u/CircumventingTheBan_ 8d ago

Dude, you can make excuses to do nothing if you want. I hope they bring you comfort in the cattle car.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

Lol im gonna do what I can to support my community, but I physically can't be Mario's brother or V.

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u/nonotan 8d ago

Legal protests.
Under no circumstances anything beyond that.
Indeed, I would advise checking with your lawyer first, just in case.
Going beyond what's legal could have dire consequences.
It would be entirely ill-advised.

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u/654456 8d ago

they will be legal protests until they finish ripping up the blll of rights.

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u/SDEWagain 8d ago

"The protests will remain bloodless if the right allows them to be"

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u/Zano10 8d ago

I mean at this point it doesn't even take more than a legal protest it seems. We're at the point where you can have your visa taken away and deported because they disagree with you.

Denaturalization will be next, and the step after that is genuinely terrifying.

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u/Ozymandias12 8d ago

The Civil Rights movement of nonviolence would like a word.

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u/Defiant_Elk_9861 8d ago

Civil Rights had tons of violence, that was what MLK knew would happen during the protests and he knew it would draw the attention of the nation.

Violence works both ways. MLK weaponized hatred. 

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u/Ozymandias12 8d ago

The violence was perpetrated on the civil rights protestors though. Did the protesters at Selma fight back? MLK didn't weaponize it, white racists did.

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u/Defiant_Elk_9861 8d ago

No you’re missing the point. 

MLK knew that the only way change was going to occur was to draw out and display the horrific affects of racism.

Yes the perpetrators of the violence are responsible for it, but MLK and the other kids doing sit-ins knew there would be violence, they trained how to remain passive and how to protect themselves from blows.

They knew this would draw the anger of the broader public.  So they used violence, just not in the sense we usually assume like a rebellion or terrorism 

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u/Ozymandias12 8d ago

Right, I agree with that, you're sayng that the only reason change happened was because racists were violent and that violence against peaceful protesters turned many into allies of the civil rights cause, fine. But that was extremely unclear in your initial response, and could easily be misinterpreted by government watchdogs, so I wanted to clarify that no one in this thread is actively calling for violence.

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u/Defiant_Elk_9861 8d ago

Agreed, I was thinking more of the idea of violence being a tool. 

Still, I think history shows that the biggest changes usually come through force, in the US change through democratic means, unless there are tremendous tidal shifts in our politics, seems impossible. The constitution will never be altered because having that many states agree on anything is impossible .  We’re seeing the limits of a 250+ year document under the weight of modern realities the founders couldn’t have imagined.

Hope I’m wrong. 

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u/Snowing_Throwballs 8d ago

This is unprecedented. These are fascists, they will deal with peaceful protest with violence. The mechanisms of democracy that allow protests to work do not functionally exist. The next step would be a massive general strike. Halt all economic activity for a prolonged period of time. Force them to the table. After that violence will probably be the only remaining option.

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u/Defiant_Elk_9861 8d ago

The problem is, most won’t risk anything until it happens to them and the ‘them’ in the USA would need to be very large because the country is very large.

Half of this country would not mind Trump occupying cities in blue states. I think marshal law of some sort will be declared, I highly suspect an internal terrorist act - that is, sanctioned terrorism maybe using foreign assets who maybe don’t get caught but instead it’s Putins victims who’re told they’ll be the fall-guys and maybe they do it or their families die .

I’m just spitballing 

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u/DubWyse 8d ago

Boston Tea Party, the action itself, was also nonviolent. One guy knocked himself out by accident and more than one person got beat up for stealing the tea instead of destroying it, but the act of "domestic terrorism" itself was nonviolent in that there was no loss of life. Just saying, non-violent protest is one of the things Americans have historically done well.

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u/HankyPankyKong 8d ago edited 8d ago

These are the moments that the 2nd amendment was written for. Right to bear arms is meant to prevent tyranny.

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u/absentmindedjwc 8d ago

Years ago, 2A republicans would scream about how "the first thing the nazis did was come for the guns!!!" Now that the right appears to be aiming to take guns from liberals, that's for some reason totally different, and entirely unrelated.

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u/AgeofAshe 8d ago

It was so the US could raise an army when needed since our constitution banned having a standing army at the time. Though the whigs liked it for the reason you state, they were only one of the political parties that contributed to the 2nd amendment.

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u/Stock_Pen_4019 8d ago

You are believing a myth. You have not experienced automatic weapons, the United States military has automatic weapons.

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u/buythedipnow 8d ago

Keep in mind that every single Democrat in the senate voted to confirm Rubio. I wonder why voter turnout for the Dems suck.

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u/laconchadetuhermanat 8d ago

Agreed. Peaceful and persistent is the way.

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u/Slayer1973 8d ago

All magats need to be deported to Siberia.

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u/_Standardissue 8d ago

Hey that’s not kind to Siberia

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u/Whiterabbit-- 8d ago

who would dare to do that when he can make you disappear. the whole kidnapping them during the day in public is to send a message of fear. these are not covert ops to remove dangerous people and deny doing so. this is flaunting a message for people not to go against the administration.

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u/PocketTornado 8d ago

They can't make everyone disappear... this is why we need massive numbers.

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u/MilibandsBacon 8d ago

As a European, I do NOT Understand why Americans aren't doing this. What is the inertia?? Why is noone even attempting to protest this?

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u/PocketTornado 8d ago

The answer is that 77 million Americans didn't care that Trump was a convicted sex offender and a felon so they voted for him.

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u/anthrohands 8d ago

I go to (a small) school with one of his kids. It’s crazy knowing that while seeing what he’s doing.

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u/fallonyourswordkaren 8d ago

If they don’t wish to live by the rules of society, then they shall receive none of its benefits.

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u/rallyspt08 8d ago

Maybe HE should be sent to an El Salvadorian labor camp.

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u/Lanky-Fix-853 8d ago

It needs to go beyond calling them out, this is the part that everyone is talking around. People have been calling them out for years. It needs to move to the point where their lives are disrupted. Ordered food for who? Oh, sorry we don’t serve you. Oh you demand I serve you? No worries, I hope you enjoy sitting in this restaurant for the next 2 hours at least.

Make their lives miserable, yelling with signs won’t do the job.

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u/NotMyMainAccountAtAl 8d ago

There was a time in America where non-violent protests weren’t the first step. You got caught pulling shit like this, they just lynched you. 

I’m not an advocate of punishment without a fair trial, but then, that’s what the fellows are doing, so they ought to recall the history of what happened to men such as themselves a century or so back

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u/sz2z 8d ago

Absolutely!! We need to owe the same tactics that the magas use. Acting with the normal , respectful behavior that civilized people use will not work with these criminals. They get away with breaking the law with impunity every minute of every day and the democrats behave as if it's all business as usual. Nothing could be farther from the truth. These people lie as easily as they breathe, break laws as if they didn't even exist and steal for their own enrichment with NO regard for the suffering and death they cause all over the world. They must be dealt with in the only language they understand - they must be called what they are - PATHOLOGICAL LIARS and THIEVES and not one person in the entire federal government has called them out as the criminals they are. It has nothing to do with politics - a crime is A CRIME. It's not misinformation they engage in - it's LYING, LYING ABOUT EVERYTHING!! We must stand up to them and call them out and refuse to obey their narcissistic, illegal orders the way they all IGNORE THE RULE OF LAW!!

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u/aLoadedTrumpDiaper 8d ago

I’ll say this again. It’s a class war, and the only way you will win that war, is bringing it to their front door.

Peacefully of course!

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u/Johnnydeep4206 8d ago

This will never happen though because luckily we live in a country where the majority, of Americans, contribute to society and go to work and are grown adults that do not get super emotional when things do not go their way, so I mean good luck with that.

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u/bluetimotej 8d ago

Like those women in The leftovers only not silent

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u/Defiant_Elk_9861 8d ago

Sounds like a good way to get disappeared 

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u/42nu 8d ago

Marco Rubio is the moderate in this admin.

He already is throwing him under the bus for the unconstitutional El Salvador fiasco.

Rubio has to play ball to prevent whatever the future thing he thinks he's going to prevent is.

As if Trump doesn't know that Rubio is an old guard plant and labeled for the trash can like Elon will be when he eventually realizes Trump isn't his ally.

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u/illsk1lls 8d ago

yea, harassment is illegal, if everyone wants to protest thats fine, but youre calling for organized harassment 👀