r/politics • u/Murky-Site7468 I voted • 8d ago

Soft Paywall The Biggest Scandal of the Second Trump Term Isn’t “Signalgate” | The national-security chat debacle certainly merits attention. But the Trump administration is now blatantly disappearing students and others who are in the country legally.

https://newrepublic.com/article/193291/trump-disappearing-students-rumeysa-ozturk-rubio-biggest-scandal
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u/Zafnick Maine 8d ago

Yeah, protests. Protests is the word that I was thinking. Protests, nothing else.

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u/drunkcowofdeath 8d ago

Careful, no one upvote this or Reddit will get mad at you.

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u/SDEWagain 8d ago

Reddit admins are in for a big surprise in the future after trying so hard for so long to stop anyone from discussing how to stop a fascist takeover.

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u/GaptistePlayer American Expat 8d ago

The DNC would fight that harder than they ever will Trump and the GOP

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u/GetEquipped Illinois 8d ago

The DNC did more to stop Bernie and Progressive policy than they ever did to resist Trump.

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u/md4024 8d ago

The DNC didn’t stop Bernie in 2016 or 2020, he just lost the primaries. There are plenty of reasons to criticize the DNC, but the narrative that they are more interested in stopping progressive policy than stopping Trump isn’t backed by reality, and it hurts the cause. A lot of conservative propaganda is designed to divide the left and make us weaker against Trump, we have to work to avoid falling into that trap.

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u/GetEquipped Illinois 8d ago edited 8d ago

First off: Pelosi pushed Gerry Connelly over AOC for the Ways and Means committee

One of the most popular and outspoken Progressives pushed aside for an octogenarian septuagenarian Neo-Lib. So yeah, the DNC hates us.

Second, there is evidence of my own claims on 2016

The DNC Email hack and WikiLeaks.

It showed how the DNC put their finger on the scale for Bernie and how they boosted Trump's media exposure during the RNC primaries because they thought it would be an easy win for Hillary.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/

https://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/

And how the DNC had it in for Bernie

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/23/us/politics/dnc-emails-sanders-clinton.html

"Opinion piece on Donna Brazile's book that talks about how the DNC held Bernie back.*

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/358389-the-dnc-owes-bernie-sanders-and-all-dems-an-apology/

I could've sworn there were more articles on the debate rules they placed on Bernie that he couldn't bring up certain things and correspondence with campaign managers to push the Superdelegates into Hillary's count after, I wanna say New Hampshire?

I cannot find those. But I do remember that it's why a lot of people were asking for DWS to resign.

People say "oh it was just snide emails." Or "That's just politics" now, but it was way more serious than that. If it was just "Oh a campaign worker said Bernie supporters should shower more" then there wouldn't be a much of a protest at the convention.

I know "Trust me bro" isn't the best, but this is something I vividly remember. I usually look up Reuters and AP to confirm stuff, but it feels like it's been "Memory Hole'd"

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u/md4024 8d ago

The Gerry Connelly thing is a great example of something we absolutely should be criticizing. Old guard Democrats are dragging their feet instead of getting out of the way and letting young, popular Democrats like AOC take the reins, and it’s hurting the party.

But that doesn’t mean there’s a conspiracy led by the DNC to hold progressives back. Bernie didn’t get a raw deal on 2016, he just lost. Your feelings are telling you that it had to be more serious than just some emails between DNC staffers, because that’s what the people who leaked those emails wanted you to feel. That was the first part of Russia’s plan to get Trump elected. They took some emails where DNC staffers talked shit about Bernie and spun it into some grand conspiracy because they knew that the best way to weaken Clinton’s candidacy was to come at her from the left. It was a smart play, it obviously worked, but you can’t find the more serious proof of that conspiracy because it does not exist. The worst things that actually happened was shit like Donna Brazile telling the Clinton campaign to be ready for questions about the Flint water crisis during a debate in Flint. Then Donna Brazile went all over Fox News pushing the narrative that Bernie got screwed when she was trying to sell her book, but she had nothing to base that on beyond a fundraising agreement the DNC made with Clinton that was necessary to keep the organization, which was severely under funded and under staffed before the 2016 election, afloat, and was offered to Bernie and I think the other candidates early in the primary as well. Yes, the optics of that ended up looking bad, but no one actually did anything that unfairly boosted Clinton or hurt Bernie. It truly was just snide emails.

Yes, the DNC favored Clinton over Bernie during that primary. Of course they did. Clinton was a longtime loyal Democrat, Bernie was an Independent who was equally likely to lob bombs at the party than he was to work with them. Bernie had every chance to convince the super delegates to support him, but of course they preferred Clinton. That’s not corruption, it’s literally just politics, and after that primary the DNC listened to Bernie’s camp and made good faith efforts to limit the role of super delegates in the nominating process. Bernie didn’t get screwed, he just lost. But The Russians played it perfectly by pushing a narrative that Bernie supporters already believed, so it didn’t matter that they were never able to find real evidence of corruption or unfair treatment. Again, there are very real reasons to criticize Democratic leadership, but we can do that without playing into the narrative of the “progressives vs establishment” war that conservatives love to push.

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u/Tasty-Chart-5096 8d ago

The DNC has rolled over on its belly and is voting with the GOP. What are you talking about

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u/ribblesquat Minnesota 8d ago

They're agreeing with you. They're saying the DNC would side with the GOP against the citizenry when it comes to direct action against tyranny.

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u/Tasty-Chart-5096 8d ago

Oh! My bad. Not enough coffee this morning 😔

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u/ribblesquat Minnesota 8d ago

No worries! There's not enough coffee in the world to stay constantly alert amongst all this bullshit.

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u/resonantedomain 8d ago edited 8d ago

They bleed for their donors, not their constituents.

Edit: they as in DNC, not democrats in general. everyone is baited to outrage and division, I'm not drawing false equivalence. Money in politics is an issue. Social Media is an issue.

What propaganda have you not been made aware of? I'm not comparing left to right, there is no comparison. However, DNC cares more about their Boomer donors than Gen X, Millenials or Gen Z.

We're stuck between Greek and Rome, while Israel and Palestine fight to the death. Meanwhile, liberalism and conservatism are based on systems that have already fallen.

Pandemic, was the lagrest transfer of wealth in human history. Yet we're still fighting eachother.

This isn't a culture war, it's a cold class war.

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u/dawgsheet 8d ago

The same DNC that is watching a slew of impeachable offenses since day 1 and still has done nothing?

The only person since this presidency that has gotten in any sort of hot water is Al Green, for yelling about attacking medicare/medicaid, which DNC members voted for the censure.

They allowed every other clear violation of the constitution to roll, but black man representing the inner cities of Houston being loud - get him out of here!

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u/tawzerozero Florida 8d ago

Specifically what should the DNC be doing that they aren't already?

Democrats are suing the Administration in multiple lawsuits in multiple venues. And they are speaking out/joining protests when they happen (even if the mainstream media only wants to cover Bernie and AOC when they do so because they actually have a brand).

They can't impeach Trump - MAGA Mike Johnson schedules votes in the House. And, if trying to introduce articles of impeachment as a privileged resolution, that can be voted down by the Republican majority in the House. And, even if they somehow got articles of impeachment through the GOP-run House, they would still need 20 Republicans to join with all the Democrats to convict and remove.

Democrats in Congress can't even subpoena the Administration or testimony - because the GOP controls both houses, any Democrat who wants to force the Administration to provide information must ask the Republicans for permission to do so.

Literally the only place in the federal government where Democrats have power is in the lower courts - Democratic judges outnumber Republican judges in total, and Dems outnumber Republicans in like 2/3rds of lower courts. And we've seen the record number of injunctions issued by the lower courts, because Trump has gone way beyond the normal scope of Presidential power. But there is an dead even split among appeals courts, and of course Republicans dominate the Supreme Court. So, we'll see what happens there, especially once the GOP-led Senate starts confirming more Trump judges.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

What's stopping you?

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u/OnetwenT7 8d ago

Same things stopping yourself, presumably.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

Visual disability?

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u/OnetwenT7 8d ago

Your visual disability is why you won't lone ranger the country to safety?

I wear glasses too.

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u/CircumventingTheBan_ 8d ago

Dude, you can make excuses to do nothing if you want. I hope they bring you comfort in the cattle car.

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u/Few_Recording3486 8d ago

Lol im gonna do what I can to support my community, but I physically can't be Mario's brother or V.

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u/nonotan 8d ago

Legal protests.
Under no circumstances anything beyond that.
Indeed, I would advise checking with your lawyer first, just in case.
Going beyond what's legal could have dire consequences.
It would be entirely ill-advised.

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u/654456 8d ago

they will be legal protests until they finish ripping up the blll of rights.

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u/SDEWagain 8d ago

"The protests will remain bloodless if the right allows them to be"

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u/Zano10 8d ago

I mean at this point it doesn't even take more than a legal protest it seems. We're at the point where you can have your visa taken away and deported because they disagree with you.

Denaturalization will be next, and the step after that is genuinely terrifying.