The Biggest Scandal of the Second Trump Term Isn’t “Signalgate” | The national-security chat debacle certainly merits attention. But the Trump administration is now blatantly disappearing students and others who are in the country legally.

[u/Murky-Site7468]

https://newrepublic.com/article/193291/trump-disappearing-students-rumeysa-ozturk-rubio-biggest-scandal

[u/kandoras]

They didn't deport her.

Deportations have court records and proceedings and you know what happened to the people in them.

This is just kidnapping and human trafficking.

[u/laptopAccount2 → u/kandoras]

The correct term is 'rendered.'

[u/Top_Result_1550 → u/kandoras]

How else are all the evangelical Republican pastors gonna get their brown sex slaves?

[u/[deleted] → u/kandoras]

Not really, ICE been deporting like this all through biden. Good riddance safe journeys hamas supporters!

[u/PabloBablo → u/[deleted]]

"Good riddance freedom of speech"

Ftfy

[u/[deleted] → u/PabloBablo]

I mean isnt it great hamas supporters are outing themselves to get deported?

[u/PabloBablo → u/[deleted]]

I suppose if you don't respect the constitution and bill of rights.

[u/[deleted] → u/PabloBablo]

Great, take it to the supreme court that has repeatedly ruled you can deport foreigners who hold harmful views

[u/SanityInAnarchy → u/[deleted]]

Which cases are you talking about?

SCOTUS has ruled that lawful permanent residents do actually have First Amendment protections.

[u/[deleted] → u/SanityInAnarchy]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/24/briefing/immigration-trump-constitution.html

[u/SanityInAnarchy → u/[deleted]]

From the subheading, you're already wrong: "Trump is taking advantage of an unsettled aspect of the law."

Your own source doesn't show what you think it shows. Were you hoping I wouldn't read it?

[u/[deleted] → u/SanityInAnarchy]

OK, you think it's unsettled, ICE thinks it is. And thus deporting.

It's quite common for ppl to have differing opinions

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

"We should bankrupt hamas' enemies"

Yep, thats deportation! Thankfully so many protests last year outed all these terrorists supporters.

[u/fighterpilot248 → u/[deleted]]

You may not agree with what she said, you make not like it at all. But in any case, that does not allow the government to retaliate against her (or anyone) for exercising their first amendment rights.

This is the literal antithesis of what America is all about.

[u/[deleted] → u/fighterpilot248]

Supreme court has repeatedly ruled foreigners can be deported for holding harmful views. They been deporting since the 50's.

Glad to sort that out

[u/fighterpilot248 → u/[deleted]]

Yes and the Supreme Court also ruled that internment camps were legal in the 40s.

Saying “do better and divest from Israel” is not a “harmful view”

Again, you may not like or agree with what she said, but she had every right to say it.

[u/[deleted] → u/fighterpilot248]

Bankrupting hamas's enemies is in fact supporting them.

Sure she has a right to support terrorists, the US has a right to deport here

[u/fighterpilot248 → u/[deleted]]

lol, lmao, even.

If all it takes is one University to pull funding to “bankrupt” an entire country, you’ve got serious problems.

[u/[deleted] → u/fighterpilot248]

Shrug we can agree to disagree then. As if we don't know the idea was to get every school and company and country to divest :) Hence, deported!

[u/Caltroit_Red_Flames → u/[deleted]]

Democrats doing bad things doesn't make them okay. I don't understand why you people think we're just fine with the awful things the Biden admin did. We didn't like those things either.

[u/fleegness → u/Caltroit_Red_Flames]

You're also assuming that person isn't making shit up. Right wingers tend to do that.

[u/Caltroit_Red_Flames → u/fleegness]

Well Biden did deport a lot of people, just not legal residents. I believe in open borders which I know isn't popular, but I am against a lot of Biden's policies, just from a left wing perspective as opposed to the fascist I originally replied to.

[u/fleegness → u/Caltroit_Red_Flames]

Well sure, but deportation through regular channels is legal, whether you agree or not with the process and numbers.

I'm pointing out that ICE may not have done the illegal shit the other guy is implying they did (without proof of course).

[u/Caltroit_Red_Flames → u/fleegness]

Fair enough. My standard of concern is morality, not legality. ICE should be abolished regardless.

[u/JohnnyFartmacher → u/Caltroit_Red_Flames]

What would the game plan be if ICE was abolished? Unless you're talking completely open borders, any country will always have people who are not supposed to be there and a law enforcement group dedicated to them.

[u/Caltroit_Red_Flames → u/JohnnyFartmacher]

ICE was created in 2003. History did not start in 2003.

[u/[deleted] → u/fleegness]

Except this IS legal, foreigners with harmful views have been getting deported for decades, not sure why ppl are cryin here

[u/rndljfry → u/[deleted]]

Who gets to decide what are harmful views? Can we start deporting anyone with a “religious exemption” to standard vaccination schedules?

[u/[deleted] → u/rndljfry]

The authorities of course, which the supreme court has repeatedly allowed.

And sure if they try to do that and the courts agree, then yes.

[u/rndljfry → u/[deleted]]

Could that possibly be because there is a risk of people with harmful views capturing the Supreme Court and the Presidency, or becoming the authorities, if they are not deported?

[u/FalstaffsGhost → u/[deleted]]

harmful views

What’s harmful about saying “hey maybe the university shouldn’t work with such and such group?”

That’s literally what free speech is supposed to relate to.

[u/[deleted] → u/FalstaffsGhost]

Hey lets bankrupt a terrorist groups enemies so hamas can genocide jews like in their charter.

Good riddance, hope every last foreign hamas supporter is deported

[u/nor05 → u/[deleted]]

So, anyone protesting against Israel’s (and the USAs support of) genocide in Gaza is a dangerous person and must be deported?

[u/[deleted] → u/nor05]

Are they supporting the isis level terror org hamas and spreading their propaganda? Yes absolutely!

[u/akelly96 → u/[deleted]]

You can oppose both Israel and Hamas. It isn't an either or thing. Oct 7th was a horrid attack, but that has not justified the carnage Israel has unleashed on many innocent palestinians.

[u/kandoras → u/[deleted]]

Please provide a quotation from this person which you believe is a harmful view.

[u/[deleted] → u/kandoras]

Trying to bankrupt hamas's enemies, spreading the fake genocide propaganda.. yep terrorist supporter, thus deportation!!

[u/kandoras → u/[deleted]]

So you don't know what a quote means either.

In fact, I think you should be deported. Because I have heard seen you post stuff that supports Hamas.

[u/xafimrev2 → u/[deleted]]

It isn't. They are guaranteed due process just like anyone else in the US illegally or otherwise.

It also violates the first amendment.

[u/[deleted] → u/xafimrev2]

This IS due process, same way Biden deported millions too. 1st amendmend doesn't apply to visa/immigration status, only civil/criminal penalties

[u/xafimrev2 → u/[deleted]]

The government can't revoke visas for things covered by the first amendment it would be unconstitutional.

Secondly this is not due process. They could just rendition anyone without going in front of a judge even a citizen if that were the case.

You're uninformed on the issue.

[u/ThroughtonsHeirYT → u/Caltroit_Red_Flames]

Open borders? Never. No logical nation does this. Only in cases of true asylum seeking. Otherwise : no entry in a country outside of LEGAL immigration process through the government entity. Legal immigration only : means paper approved by the government BEFORE you set foot in the country

[u/Caltroit_Red_Flames → u/ThroughtonsHeirYT]

That's nice. I'm a communist so I don't really care.

[u/ThroughtonsHeirYT → u/Caltroit_Red_Flames]

Communism is worse than fascism in totalitarianism… i am a « left side of the center » socialist because i believe in humans. But capitalism is too important to let petty communism rot away the potential of human creativity

[u/Caltroit_Red_Flames → u/ThroughtonsHeirYT]

Socialism is the transition period between capitalism and communism. You may want to learn more about what communism actually is because it is not totalitarian and you're using a misnomer for your own beliefs.

[u/ThroughtonsHeirYT → u/Caltroit_Red_Flames]

Communism is stalin & mao. Theoretical communism is a utopia. Real life communism is the ussr and ccp. Ie: bullshit that must disappear forever. Long live capitalism with societal safety nets. « Ethical sociocapitalism »

[u/ThroughtonsHeirYT → u/Caltroit_Red_Flames]

Saying we never saw true communism is bullshit. Look at « anarchy » : it is literally the law of the jungle. Nothing else. Stop being a carebear who believes in utopian « perfect » governments like the hypothetical communism & anarchy concepts. They exist only in lunatic’s heads

[u/ThroughtonsHeirYT → u/Caltroit_Red_Flames]

Socialism is current canadian safety net. Sorry to break it to you but canada is a socialist democracy

[u/[deleted] → u/Caltroit_Red_Flames]

And kicking out terrorist supporters is the least controversial thing trumps doing

[u/Caltroit_Red_Flames → u/[deleted]]

Deporting legal residents is insane. I was born here and I support Hamas, should I be deported?

[u/[deleted] → u/Caltroit_Red_Flames]

I was born here and I support Hamas, should I be deported?

Should a foreign terrorist supporter be deported if possible? Absolutely!

[u/Caltroit_Red_Flames → u/[deleted]]

Can't wait to deport all of the Russia supporters. /s

[u/theNightblade → u/Caltroit_Red_Flames]

what about all the domestic terrorist supporters? or did people already forget about the 'we're all domestic terrorists' at that republican convention?

[u/Ranorak → u/theNightblade]

Those get pardoned of course.

[u/CircumventingTheBan_ → u/[deleted]]

I know you're just trolling, and there's a million other edgelords like you, but I just don't get it. How can publicly humiliating yourself to annoy strangers be fun?

I guess it's the anonymity that makes it doable for you all. Either that, or your self esteem is just the lowest it could be. I feel bad for trolls sometimes, I just can't imagine being that depressed.

[u/Glum-Gap-2504 → u/[deleted]]

Legal residents have a first amendment right that says you're dead wrong. But no let's cheer for the erosion of our rights the constitution is a dead document to this administration anyway.

[u/[deleted] → u/Glum-Gap-2504]

Nope, first amendment only applies to civil/criminal penalties, supreme court has repeatedly ruled you can deport for harmful views.

So keep saying that to yourself if it helps you cope

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Wherever they came from? Not sure whats so hard to understand? She can join her buddies in hamas, so isn't it a win win for everyone?

[u/MikeyKillerBTFU → u/[deleted]]

He should be focusing on the Nazi supporters, like Elon.

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Yeah you should call ICE, have no problems deporting musk

[u/mAssEffectdriven → u/[deleted]]

point to where it says that she supported hamas. you can't because you don't anything about anything which is why your comments sound the way they do.

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Demanding bankrupting hamas's enemies, spreading fake genocide propaganda...

Yep thats supporting hamas

[u/mAssEffectdriven → u/[deleted]]

Yeah well youre on here talking about hamas so you must also support hamas. Why else would you bring up their existence?

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Spoken like a true hamas terrorism supporter :) Glad all those protests happened last year so every last hamas supporter can get deported!

[u/mAssEffectdriven → u/[deleted]]

You would know since youre such a prolific supporter of hamas

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Great! I respect your opinion!

[u/cjicantlie → u/[deleted]]

Many of the protesters were not pro-Hamas, they were pro-Palestinian or anti-Israel or anti-genocide. You can be against the terrorist organizations of both sides senselessly killing people. Black and white thinking will get you nowhere in life.

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This about to be deported terrorist supporter didn't even condemn hamas at all, so her black and white thinking getting her deported!

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

She supported bankrupting hamas' enemies, and spread their propaganda.

Feel free to call up ICE, not sure why you're on reddit haha. I mean, not that they have to get your permission

[u/Superunknown11 → u/[deleted]]

Bad faith disingenuous argument 

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Keep repeating that on the plane ride, some ppl learn the hard way

[u/Superunknown11 → u/[deleted]]

I'm in the demographics that has little to worry about. But bad ideas should always be identified. 

[u/dqql → u/[deleted]]

Protesting a genocide by Israel has NOTHING to do with supporting Hamas...
The protestors are supporting the people of Palestine...
people like the children currently being starved to death as warfare (example of a genocidal tactic, according to the UN)...
Hamas is just about already gone, anyways...

[u/[deleted] → u/dqql]

Well except ICC already rejected the genocide charge, and trying to bankrupt Hamas's enemies is clearly supporting them.

Real supporters would demand hamas surrender

[u/dqql → u/[deleted]]

ICC already rejected the genocide charge

no, they did not.
And i'll take advice on what a "real supporter" would demand from, well, maybe someone who isn't an psychopathic troll...
i.e. from someone who saying "Good riddance safe journeys hamas supporters" would haunt them for the rest of their life...
(although, it will... you'll be alone, in the dark, with just your thoughts... and this will keep coming back to you... what a pos you are)

[u/[deleted] → u/dqql]

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-state-palestine-icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-rejects-state-israels-challenges

On the basis of material presented by the Prosecution covering the period until 20 May 2024, the Chamber could not determine that all elements of the crime against humanity of extermination were met.

Don't worry, you genocidal hamas supporters ... you'll be alone, in the dark, with just your thoughts... and this will keep coming back to you... what a pos you are

[u/[deleted] → u/dqql]

the rest of the article you posted almost completely disagrees with you, but you picked a single sentence in there to pretend like it agrees with you….

Yep the sentence where the court dismisses genocide charges.

[u/dqql → u/[deleted]]

they did not dismiss the charges,
and nice comment history, you spammy obsessive liar

[u/dqql → u/[deleted]]

troll spam troll spam idc how much you lie, you're still spam

[u/Ok-Secret-8636 → u/[deleted]]

You're an evil motherfucker aren't you

[u/Commercial-Owl11 → u/Ok-Secret-8636]

He’s a dumb Israel supporter. (A racist) anyone with brown skin shouldn’t be allowed in this country!

Though forgetting Jews weren’t considered “white” for years.

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Kinda funny hamas supporters complaining about evil eh? Oh well they can think about it on the plane rid out

[u/Superunknown11 → u/[deleted]]

What a low energy take

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Probably low energy on the deportation flights too

[u/SDEWagain → u/[deleted]]

Matthew 7:2

[u/thatsattemptedmurder → u/[deleted]]

I don't think that phraseology is correct. "all through biden" makes it sound like a regular occurrence and that Biden had any special involvement with it.

In fact, it was signed into law in 1996 by Clinton. So ICE has used this for almost 30 years and 5 presidents.

Expedited removal allows persons with to be deported without a hearing before a judge. There are still conditions to be met.

1. Arrived at the U.S. border without proper documentation.

2. Were apprehended within 100 miles of the border and had been in the U.S. for less than 14 days.

It doesn't sound like those conditions are being met currently. And historically -

Under the first Trump presidency, there was an attempt to expand expedited removal beyond the 100-mile border zone and beyond people who had been in the U.S. for 14 days or less.

Under President Biden, some of Trump’s more aggressive policies were scaled back or reinterpreted, but certain aspects of expedited removal remained intact, particularly as they related to border enforcement.

So really - they been doing this since Trump's first presidency, then Biden scaled it back, and now Trump ramped it up again.

For clarity.

[u/rickdapaddyo → u/[deleted]]

Post a source of Biden doing this.

[u/[deleted] → u/rickdapaddyo]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/trump-deported-fewer-people-biden-year-ago-border-crossings-plummeted-rcna195605

Biden deported 11k ppl in one month?

[u/rickdapaddyo → u/[deleted]]

That's not what this is. Specifically post a link of Biden detaining a green card holder, with masked ICE agents kidnapping them without any due process.