r/politics • u/Murky-Site7468 I voted • 8d ago

Soft Paywall The Biggest Scandal of the Second Trump Term Isn’t “Signalgate” | The national-security chat debacle certainly merits attention. But the Trump administration is now blatantly disappearing students and others who are in the country legally.

https://newrepublic.com/article/193291/trump-disappearing-students-rumeysa-ozturk-rubio-biggest-scandal
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u/rotciv0 Europe 8d ago

I hope McConnell's utter cowardice and evil for the second impeachment are never forgotten. That was our chance to stop this madness

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u/LawGroundbreaking221 8d ago

Dick Durbin and other prominent Democrats refused to put the screws to him during Biden's Administration. Merrick Garland refused to go after him with everything he had. People dragged their feet.

This wasn't just McConnell and other Republicans. Major fucking Democrats are responsible for allowing this to happen.

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u/rotciv0 Europe 8d ago

Sure, there was a whole lot of fuck ups everywhere for years, some even going back decades, but the second impeachment is by far the clearest cut "if this one thing went through it would be over". Remember, with e.g. Merrick, I agree with you, but keep in mind Trump is already a convicted felon, and was at the time of the election, and nobody cared. The impeachment though would have directly barred him from office.

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u/zernoc56 8d ago

The 14th should have already precluded him from a second term, but here we fucking are…

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u/Revolutionary_Mud159 7d ago

The 14th DOES preclude him. The Presidency is vacant right now, and the Constitution is dead. Whether the Republic can be resurrected remains to be seen.

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u/Asmor Massachusetts 8d ago

There's a whole lot of people that bear responsibility for this, but they're not all equal.

  • At the top, there's Trump, Musk, Putin, Netanyahu, and all the other tyrants in their little axis of evil. They all bear direct and full responsibility for everything that's going on, and if there's any justice in the world they'll be tried for crimes against humanity.
  • Then there's the Republican party which actively enable, encourage, and normalize this bullshit. Any Republican politician who can't provide solid evidence that they were working hard to try to stop this deserves to be stripped of their office and never allowed to run for office again.
  • Next there are those politicians who tactitly enable it through failing to resist it. This level is where most of the Democrats live. They deserve to be named, shamed, and voted out.
  • Finally, there are all the people who voted for Trump and other fascists. And honestly, they're victims as much as the rest of us. They deserve love and compassion, and we need to find a way to encourage them to return to sanity. This would have to be a matter of social pressure, though, not legal. Nobody should be punished by the government for their vote.

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u/LawGroundbreaking221 8d ago

Yes, but keep in mind that we all already knew going in that McConnell was on Trump's side.

We are being betrayed by democrats who aren't doing the job they say they will do and supporting the things they say they will support. Guys like Durbin & Schumer say they're on our side and then explicitly and openly aid Republicans.

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u/LazyDare7597 8d ago

We are being betrayed by democrats who aren't doing the job

Thank you! I'm so fucking sick of Democrats taking the highroad of "we must move on and heal as a country, bipartisanship, blablabla" as their excuse to sweep the rug and avoid messy political fights to get that accountability

And we're somehow surprised Republicans just come back bolder and ready to push on more norms and break more laws?

Bidens inauguration speech after the Jan 6 insurrection was absolutely infuriating. Basically no talk of accountability, big focus on moving forward and healing and all that bullshit.

But then when he has a foot out the door he can clearly see that Republicans don't give a fuck about any of those things, so he pardons his family and friends. The nation itself on the line? Oh yeah bipartisanship and healing.

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u/jonasnew 8d ago

So, basically you're blaming the Dems to why Trump won the election? If you are, do you realize that you're saying that they're the ones responsible for why we're dealing with fascism now?

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u/LazyDare7597 8d ago

Are you just upset about criticism of "your party" and shifting my argument into those absurd points that I never made?

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u/No-Helicopter-6026 8d ago

I'm starting to think these people just like beach houses and fancy dinners.

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u/LawGroundbreaking221 8d ago

They like being important. That's pretty much it. They personally have more in common with Marco Rubio than they do you or me. That's why they voted for him unanimously to confirm his appointment. Remember that.

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u/VirginiaMcCaskey 8d ago

Major fucking Democrats are responsible for allowing this to happen.

They were all cowards. Anyone can crack open a history book and learn what happens when you don't smother insurrection in the crib. It grows up and takes revenge.

Instead they prayed that decorum would uphold the rule of law in this country, instead of lawmakers and enforcement.

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u/LawGroundbreaking221 8d ago

They weren't cowards. They did it because to really root out Trumpism and all it entailed would have caused a lot of problems economically because a lot of Trump's base would have gone nuts. This was a money choice. They didn't want to upset the markets. They didn't want to have to deal with Trumper terrorists in America after they put the screws to him. The chose to try to keep it all small and just let Trump go away, but the problem is that Trump didn't go away.

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u/stasi_a 8d ago

Beer hall and all that

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u/RelaxPrime 8d ago

It all boils down to:

We simply cannot hold him accountable, less we risk being held accountable ourselves in the future.

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u/sicemdawgs1980 7d ago

Mitch McConnell is responsible. He and the GOP refused to convict and if they had done so, he could not have run again. After he was out of office, it was out of Durbin's hands. Up to DOJ.

Not a fan of Schumer or Durbin but really was out of their hands, once Trump left office.

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u/LawGroundbreaking221 7d ago

Durbin refused to subpoena anyone for the Judicial committee he is on. Biden appointed Merrick Garland and let him do fuck all and get away with it.

McConnell and Trump had help on our side and to deny that is to just cover your eyes and deny reality.

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u/SmartWonderWoman California 8d ago

Facts 💯

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u/LawGroundbreaking221 8d ago

Also Merrick Garland's cowardice - and he was appointed by who?

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u/Cyanide_Cheesecake 8d ago

The first impeachment was a good one, too.

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u/Savings-Coffee 8d ago

“Our”